Health Care Costs Part 1: The Single Payer Challenge To the Public Option

by: Ian Welsh

Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 10:30


The chart at the top of this post shows what happened to per-capita costs when Canada went to single payor.  What's interesting is that before Canada went single payor, per capita health costs in Canada were higher than in the US.  Over time, after single-payor was implemented, they they stayed even until about two-thirds of US costs, and then they started rising again.  The rate they rose at was about the same as American health care costs, but they stayed at about two-thirds of the cost.

In other words, single payor is the simplest way to get a one time savings in health care costs.  It has worked for every other country which has tried it (and yes, most European systems are variations on single payor.  They aren't "pure" but they are still essentially single payor).

The next graphic shows the difference in administration costs.  This is one main reason why single payer is cheaper than a private system—it takes a lot less people to administer.  American hospitals have billing wings.  Canadian hospitals have a room or two of people who do all the billing.

This is the single-payer challenge to the public option.  Can it hold costs even until they are about one-third less than they would have otherwise been?  Until they are about even with the rest of the civilized world's costs?

I'd put my money on a simple, heartfelt no.  Look hard in the mirror and try and tell yourself otherwise. 

Single payer, or "Medicare for all" isn't a long term solution to health care costs.  But it could buy the country a good ten years before costs start rising again.  That's a lot of time.  A lot of money.  And a big challenge for any other plan to meet.

Which leads us to the question of taxes.  Every time someone starts whining about how taxes have to rise to pay for universal healthcare I want to smash my head against the nearest brick wall (since that's softer than most of the skulls in Congress or the media).  Those per-capita costs above?  They aren't for just "insured Americans", they are divided across the entire population.  America is already paying more than enough money to give everyone health care, but because so much of it is being wasted, 48 million are uninisured and 62% of all bankruptcies are caused by health care problems, and 75% of those had what in the US is laughably refered to as "health care insurance".

If proper health care reform occurs.  Health care reform which holds down costs, taxes might rise, but the overall cost should hold steady or rise only slightly.  If employers who provide insurance now are allowed to keep half the money, and required to give half of it as a raise to the employees losing the insurance benefit, and if corporations and employees are taxes, the average person will have the same amount of money as they did before universal healthcare.  And very quickly, within a few years, they will have more money in pocket than they would have without it.

Does it matter who you pay your health care money to?  The government or the insurance companies, as long as you get care?  And if the government can do it for cheaper, so you'll have more money left over, for better care (and yes, Virginia, every country in the world with real universal health care has better overall results than the US) why wouldn't you want that?

But no politicians comes out and says this.  "We are paying too much for health care.  You, my fellow citizens, are paying too much for bad health care.  What we are going to do is make sure that you get good health-care for less money.  Because yes, my friends, the government is better at some things than private companies, and health insurance is one of them."

This is the bottom line—single payer—Medicare for all—is cheaper and provides better results than the current system. 

Can any of the bills going through Congress say the same?  If they can, can they say it to the same extent? 

That's the single-payor challenge.  And like one of those old time boxing challenges where the boxer would take on all comers, I'm betting the public option rube is going to get his clock cleaned.

Which would be no big deal, except that it means a lot of people are going to die and suffer and go bankrupt who wouldn't have if Congress members weren't too beholden to insurance companies to do, for once, what is right for Americans.  I don't know why they won't do what's right.  I don't know why they won't do what's proven to work, rather than try and cobble together a rickety unproven plan.

But I can only assume it's like the old question we used to ask about the Bush administration.  "Evil or stupid?"

Evil - taking health insurance company money and doing what they know is wrong because they've been bought.

Stupid-so ideologically blind that they think that even if every other country who's gone single payer has had it work, it's still a bad thing because the private sector is always better than the government, no matter how many people it kills or bankrupts.

I don't know.  But either way, they're failing the single payer challenge.

(Comparative Graph from OECD. *.pdf)

(New England image from health Insurance 2008)

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"Payer" not "Payor" (4.00 / 1)
Let's make sure that the title of this post shows up in Google ;-)

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

Good points (4.00 / 1)
Re taxes, costs.  Yes bang our heads against the wall.  In fairness, though, the costs of the Public Option plan are not due to the Public Option itself, but due to the fact that it is trying to insure everyone without taking a bite out of the redundant adminstrative budgets of the private insurers as Single Payer would.  It may have some cost savings but relatively small ones compared to single payer.

The cost of doing nothing cannot be compared to the costs of the Public Option plan because the former isn't trying to do anything about the uninsured and the Public Option is.

The relevant cost comparison between the Public Option and not having it is between the public option and a hypothetical no-public-option plan that insured everyone through the private insurers.  In that comparison public would option win hands down.

But once we've decided that we're going to try to insure everyone, if the price tag is still too high, this is where single-payer gets to make its case and it's a good one.  At every point in the upcoming debate, single payer advocates should make it, emphasizing that the costs supposedly associated with the public option are actually the price we are paying for keeping the private insurers around and that if the public option is too rich for our blood we need to move toward single payer rather than away from it.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


This is the deep insight that must be understood. (0.00 / 0)
emphasizing that the costs supposedly associated with the public option are actually the price we are paying for keeping the private insurers around and that if the public option is too rich for our blood we need to move toward single payer rather than away from it.

The top graph while showing how much larger the cost is in the US than elsewhere, does not show the difference well enough.

It isnt that its just almost double the cost to the economy, and double the cost to every American (and do not doubt, that whether you get medical service or not, you PAY THIS BILL) it is the size of the economy it takes, and the fact that almost the entire difference is just profit.

Or because health insurance serves no purpose at all except denying care to people who need it, and pocketing the money that would have gone to pay for care. Oh and the 'profit' for designing such a system. If those two 'costs' are removed: money pocketed for denying care that was paid for, and the 'reward' for designing the coercive system, the cost of  "health care" in America would fall to world levels.

The thing that must be understood: public option will save a very little amount of money, single payer will save trillions. The real cure is yet to come.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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there's more... (4.00 / 1)
health insurance isn't health care.

we can insure everyone and still have thousands die (and more go bankrupt) because of costs - costs of deductibles, copays and coinsurance. mandating the purchase of insurance may mean some people get LESS healthcare because the money they used to spend on routine doctor and dentist appointments and prescriptions will go to the insurance company instead -- with nothing left over for the out of pocket expenses (deductibles, copays and coinsurance).

also, we've learned from the MA experience -- gov money that used to go to provide free care to the most needy is now put into providing insurance. and for some that means no or limited healthcare because of they can't afford the out of pocket expenses that comes with insurance.

reform means there will be winners and losers. i just wish the losers were the insurance companies and not people in need of care.

more on MA experience (see links including to report at the bottom of the page):

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/...


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Interesting link (0.00 / 0)
thanks Selise.

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this post is very absolutely right! (0.00 / 0)
We pay much more than any other system, but get far worse health care. How could fixing this cost, and not save money in the overall picture? From here it looks like it will be another rip off instead of reform if it costs more than the current fiasco.

Government by organized money is no better than government by organized mob..... FDR

It isnot a rippoff, anymore than Veterans healthcdare is a rippoff. (0.00 / 0)
The provision of a public option is a good, even great thing, as like the veteran's healthcare system it provides coverage at cost. Veteran's get single payer health. As such that singkle payer care saves the nation billions of dollars, and saves veterans their lives and gives them comfort and care.

American will still be feeding money to the people whose sole purpose is to make a profit from denying care, but people will be covered.

Once America realizes it cannot give a dollar in every 10 in the economy to the stockholders of Health Insurance Frauds (are you ready?) it will stop paying.

But until then, lets cover every American, and save some money.

Just think what a dollar in every ten of the economy would buy.  

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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the VA is NOT single payer (4.00 / 1)
It is a health care system directly administered by the government. It is a step beyond single payer.  

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I was not aware that all the doctors were employees. (0.00 / 0)
Nor all services provided were only through employees. There are good and bad things about a single point of entry, single operation that decides for parts of care.

One of the good things about single payer, and we are getting very esoteric now regarding the American crisis, is that you can go get a second and third opinion. Choose a different methodology, single organizations have sometimes have people who develop a "we know best" attitude that can difficult to avoid.

Its very complex, and it needs lots of analysis. But be aware that the ways Republicans talk about Canadian healthcare, is NOT the terms of debate, even on the right, in Canada.

Canada has very real debates about its system, long loud ones. But there is complete agreement on "no two tier health", meaning a healthcare system for people with money, and another system for people without money. The other thing people universally agree on is choice. They don't want artificial systems herding people into systems. "Just pay the doctor and leave her and me alone please."

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Yes (4.00 / 1)
it's socialized medicine.  There is a large chunk of the US economy which is socialized almost completely, it's called the military.

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I am a dual citizen. (4.00 / 2)
I am an American living in Canada. My brother lives here too.

My nephew was found at three years old in the middle of the night, in his crib on his hands and knees in a deep pool of his own blood.

My brother had "just felt wrong" and woken up and gone to check his younger child. He will never forget turning on the light. Quickly he was taken to a Hospital, and quickly again, he was air-ambulanced 200 hundred miles to a famous children's hospital.

His blood no longer clotted, and had he been found even minutes later in his crib, he would have bled to death. He was diagnosed with a rare blood disorder and given a 1 in 25 chance of living. His immune system and bone marrow was destroyed in order to get a marrow transplant.

He was put in a positive air pressure isolation wing, in a positive air pressure isolation room. He had no immune system and the slightest infection could have killed him. So they psuhed highly filtered ait into his room so that air blew only outward forcing bugs that might enter to be pushed away. The room had two doors and wash sinks both outside and in the alcove room before you could enter his hospital room.

The transplant worked, and after two months of intense care he was released to his parents. They collected toys, clothes and get well cards and left the hospital. He is now in college.  No procedure ever discussed as if costs mattered. His parents were never offered a bill.

There was some argument, at the end, when the hospital wanted to do x-ray studies for research until my nephew left. The x-ray study was suspended.

This is how medicine must be delivered.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


Is there an organization of dual CA/US citizens? (0.00 / 0)
I am sure that there are a lot of stories like this, and they could help us (heck, save a lot of lives) by speaking out.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

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Every other developed country has a similar system (0.00 / 0)
I'm glad HoP put this comment up, because it's the kind of example that nicely cuts through all the bullshit about deficits and cost controls. We could find thousands of others, without even leaving Canada. But we're not seeing this kind of messaging here very much and that's a much larger problem.

This brings up a question I have for our President: Sir, why don't you get up on your bully pulpit and personally put these kinds of examples out there for everyone to see? Why aren't you out there showing some real leadership and connecting with people on that kind of level? Could it be you really don't give a rat's ass? Why isn't the DNC putting out such ads?

As much as I like (enough to cough up some cash) the pressure ads being used against the recalcitrants in congress, I'm a little surprised stories like HoP's weren't used from the outset. Define the issue first, in real terms for people.

The righties can squeal about socialism all they want, but if it's your kid coughing up blood in the middle of the night, you just want it dealt with and it would also be nice if you weren't financially ruined even though they still let your child die to protect their profits. Methinks this is why 50% of Republicans want a public option. Everyone has their share of first-, second- and third-hand horror stories.

This isn't a right/left issue as much as a Right/Wrong issue.

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

-- Frederic Bastiat, "The Law", 1850


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Well (0.00 / 0)
There is Democrats Abroad, which I know has a pretty big presence in Canada.

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Democrats Abroad are not necessarily citizens of the country they are abroad in. (0.00 / 0)
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If this were turned into an ad campaign (0.00 / 0)
It would easily push public support for single-payer well over 80% all on it's own.

Another good example was the French guy in SiCKO who had cancer. He got treatment, time off to heal and came back to work healthy. Everyone likes happy endings, right?

There's something deeply wrong with a society that allows corporate hucksters to dictate what's "good" for all of us, even though it's clearly harmful.

Under our system, your nephew would have been allowed to die. It's stories like your nephew's that keep putting emigration back on my plate  from time to time.


When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

-- Frederic Bastiat, "The Law", 1850


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I have family that brought me here, and then jobs and then more friends and more family. (0.00 / 1)
It would break a lot of hearts to move away. I always urge people to love the people they have in their lives, as I do, and fight for the America dream of the more perfect union.

Fighting for a more perfect union is a way to love your family an friends.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Ian (4.00 / 2)
Are you finding it funny that American liberals, in fighting for the public option are fighting for what we in the Canadian left demonized as a "two tier system" during the 90s?

For US readers, we were terrified that our conservatives would allow private delivery of health care (ending the single payer aspect), as it was feared this would damaged the quality of the public system as the private one would bleed off the most talented doctors, leaving an impoverished public system.  Yet here is America fighting for just such a system.  It's ironic.

You're clearly right that single payer is the better way to go, but I am torn on the whole pragmatism aspect.  After all, even two tier health care would be better than the zero tier system so many have today in America.

I would hate to see health reform fail for seeking too much and getting nothing, and for now I'm inclined to think perhaps a public option is the best that can be done.  The Democrats are such a mess they can't rein in goldman sachs or pass a better than lukewarm climate bill, are stalling on repealing DADT and DOMA, and failed to even unify around card-check.  Single payer seems to be several bridges too far, as there is no Tommy Douglas here so far to lead the charge towards true UHC.



You may be (0.00 / 0)
right.  There is the calculus that it will save some lives, same some bankruptcies, and isn't that better than saving none?

But there is also the calculus that doing it wrong could cost more than it's worth and make people think the government can't do health care right.

I'm not sure which calculus is stronger.  Next week I'm going to discuss the US's financial position but the short story is this: it's so weak that the US is having to and will have to continue to print money to pay its bills.  Economic power is finally shifting from the debtor nations which include the US) to the surplus nations, and it's going to be ugly.


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i don't know either... (0.00 / 0)
probably going to be fence sitting (but highly skeptical) until we see what comes out of conference. also am interested in knowing what some of the real experts have to say about the final bill  (the people who were right when they warned about the problems the MA reform would have are especially high on my list).

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they're just lame (0.00 / 0)
speaking of the Democrats generally, and the Senate particularly. some of them are bought, yes. it might be that one or two have that kind of blind belief in "the private sector" but i doubt it.

but i think that mostly, it is their timid "political realism" that keeps them from doing what would work (as it has in so many other areas for so long). they wouldn't even allow discussion of a single payer system. "oh that's just a non-starter." Obama mocks people who support it. and then his reasoning is that he wants to build "a uniquely American system", like that's some kind of virtue. our peculiar institutions have not done very well in the past.

they think of themselves as smart, as tough, as practical; yet their actions are dumb, weak, and most damning of all, fail to do what needs to be done. if you and your friend have to go from NY to LA, and you want to fly but your friend insists on walking (because he doesn't really want to go to LA in the first place), buying bicycles is not a wise compromise.  

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