Companies Push Costs On The Rest Of Us While A Few Pocket The Savings

by: DaveJ

Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 13:30


The other day, in When They Say Government They Mean You, I wrote about the executive who gets a bonus if he/she lowers the cost of dumping waste,

Conservatives complain about government as a meddlesome, intrusive problem.  But just who is government a problem for?  If you are a top executive in a large chemical corporation and your bonus depends on lowering the cost of discarding toxic wastes, government stands between you and the river into which you want to dump the wastes.  It costs the company less to dump the waste into the river, you will get your bonus, but We, the People don't want that stuff in our water.  So for you, government is the problem. ...

We are all familiar with this problem because it comes up so frequently.  A company or industry pushes a cost onto the rest of us, thereby making more money for a few people.  We all pay to clean up the mess, be it polluted rivers, ruined lungs or a warming planet.

This dumping of costs on the rest of us (regardless of the consequences) is called "externalizing."  A cost that has been moved outside the corporation is an "externality."  A cost is passed out of the corporation and on to the rest of us.

Here are some examples.  Some are obvious, some not so obvious:

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Tobacco companies dumped costs on the rest of us while a few people pocketed a lot of money.  Some of these were the medical costs, the cost of burials and of lost wages when the smoker dies, the cost of cleaning the residue deposited by the smoke onto equipment and walls, the cost of cleaning up the cigarette butts deposited all over the place, the cost of the fires started by smokers, etc.  (How about the psychological costs imposed on society by their manipulative advertising, making kids think they should all act like the "Marlboro Man" -- who by the way died of lung cancer -- or "Joe the Camel" or the Virginia Slims woman?)

Oil companies externalized the cost of cleaning up the waste products from using their products, especially the cost of putting carbon into the air.  A few people pocketed a lot of money.

(And I have to mention the terrible cost to society of tobacco and oil companies funding the conservatives and the Republican Party...)

Here are a few that most of us have probably not thought about.  

A computerized phone answering ("phone tree") system replaces a few workers, reducing a few man-hours for the company.  But a phone tree that saves a company the cost of two or even a dozen employees might be costing a thousand callers twenty minutes each every hour.  The company may have traded eight hours pay per receptionist on to 15 minutes of annoyance for hundreds of people. The company saves eight hours pay, a few people pocket a lot of money, the rest of us (15 min x hundreds/thousands of callers) lose what totals up to a lot more than "saved" employee hours.  (And "How may I help you?" from a person with the intelligence to help you get your call through is a lot more pleasant than a phone tree.)

Companies have likewise externalized the costs of serving their customers.  Reducing the number of technical support people while making hundreds of callers wait on the phone for half an hour is just passing the time costs on to the rest of us.  As with the phone trees, lots of people waiting lots of time to talk to a tech support people adds up to much, much more time than the company saves.  The time cost is passed on to the rest of us while a few people pocket a lot of  money.

Self-serve gas stations passed the cost of an attendant (low wage times eight hours) on to each customer while a few people pocket a lot of money.  The attendant could usually help with various problems...

Parking meters are being replaced with centralized pay stations.  Hundreds of citizens now have to walk to and operate the pay station - another wage savings at the cost of hundreds upon hundreds of citizen-hours.

Here is a huge cost externalization that is not generally discussed:  When a company lays off an employee, the cost of that employee's wages and benefits is passed out of the company and on to society, while a few people pocket the money that is "saved."  I remember that this came up during the fight to get Wal-Mart to provide better pay and health insurance, when people realized that the employees were forced to depend on social services.  People understood that Wal-Mart was externalizing certain employee costs onto the rest of us while a few people were pocketing the savings.  I touched on this the other day in, It's The Economic Paradigm, Stupid!  I wrote,

When a company replaces a worker with a machine, the company pockets the wages that would have gone to the worker and the worker is discarded.  But now we are learning that eventually enough workers are discarded that there is no one to purchase what those workers replaced by machines were making.  So the company and the economy lose, too.  This just doesn't work.

In this example, which we see all around us today, reducing employees while a few pocket the savings not only passes a huge cost on to the rest of us, it eventually kills the host.  Killing the host is also called economic collapse which we see it going on right now.

We have a lot of thinking to do so we can come to grips with this problem of companies externalizing costs, sometimes imposing huge costs on the rest of us as is the case with tobacco companies, while a few pocket the savings and get it under control.  I don't think we even understand the extent to which this is affecting us.

I propose that we assign an agency of our government to start compiling the costs to society of different kinds of corporate externalization.  This at least begins to help us understand what we are dealing with.  Then we can make decisions about the best ways to control it so that we all benefit instead of just a few.


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Good post and extending it further... (0.00 / 0)
Nice post.

This can be extended to the damage done by Republications, and others in our government where over the last 20+ years the job losses of many in the manufacturing sector of the USA, including autos, integrated circuits, and others, was justified.  Under the guise of increased productivity, the loss of individual workers was deemed acceptable while large, multinational companies, pocketed the additional profits from using cheap, off-shore labor.  In the end, will it have been worth the cost to the country as our manufacturing capabilities have been decimated?  Still an open question, to say the least.  


It's called efficiency (0.00 / 0)
When you people praise the efficiency of Private enterprise, this is what they are talking about.

Maximize the cost to the consumer and minimize the cost to the manufacturer/service provider. This goes for not only waste management but wages. Drive the cost of waste disposal, wages and associated overhead (read health care and other benefits) down regardless of long term implications to society at large.

Millions of us make our living (full time) constantly making the system more efficient. Thousands of us try to fight (part time) the consequences the resulting cost savings measures have on our society.

Unfortunately for us, the Private enterprise system has become very efficient. The only question is how much, and for how long, we will have to pay for the 1 percenters obscene wealth.  


Not Necessarily (4.00 / 1)
Finding efficiencies does not necessarily mean pushing costs onto others.  Saving a step in manufacturing doesn't impose a cost on society.  And as for the cost of that meaning a possible need for more workers, that should be recovered by society sharing in the benefits of the improvement through taxes that are then used for the betterment of the rest of us.  

That is supposed to be the trade-off:  Society-at-large benefits.  Instead we are allowing a few (the hundredth-of-a-percenters) to simply pocket the savings for themselves.  As I mentioned in the post this eventually kills the host, as we are seeing with the economic collapse.

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: dcjohnson


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This Is Half Of The Big Picture Problem We Face (0.00 / 0)
If we take global warming as the proxy problem of creating a just, sustainable world economy, then capturing externalized costs is half the problem.

The other half is pricing in terms of ultimate cost, as opposed to time-discounted costs, in terms of which it makes only a few pennies difference whether the world is destroyed 200 years form now or not.

This is the big picture as I think of it.

The small picture is that I've been writing about externalized costs at ports of LA and Long Beach for years now, as a reporter dealing with air pollution and related externalized costs.  There's been a remarkable shift in terms of getting the ports out of denial and into actually doing things to reduce pollution.  But the industries are kicking and screaming at the relatively modest costs they've been forced to pay so far, and they're nowhere near the externalized costs of $5-$10 billion per year just in health care costs alone.

No one's ever seriously attempted a congestion cost study that I'm aware of.  Or an aesthetic impact study (though one limited to the immediate Port of LA & surrounding communities has recently been proposed).

If the goods movement industry were required to pay its true costs, there is little doubt that America would have lost a lot less of its manufacturing capacity, just as one example of an offshoot.

And these externalized costs are rising farther and farther inland along the goods movement transportation corridors that go all the way to Chicago and beyond.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Externalized Costs Distort The Market (4.00 / 2)
If the goods movement industry were required to pay its true costs, there is little doubt that America would have lost a lot less of its manufacturing capacity, just as one example of an offshoot.

The ability of companies/industries to externalize their cost distorts the market making otherwise uneconomical alternatives profitable. Take aluminum production for example. I have heard that, prior to last falls economic collapse, most raw materials for aluminum were mined in Brazil, shipped to Iceland where it was smelted and cast as aluminum ingots, then shipped to US, China, Europe etc.. to be manufactured into finished goods. How could this be economical if the true cost of shipping were included in the final aluminum products?

This also has implications in the fight to slow down global warming. How much more would electricity generated from coal, gas and nuclear plants cost if the electrical industry had to pay to clean up the pollution caused by both the mining operations and the plants themselves? Electricity would definitely cost more, and all of us would have to pay those higher cost. But, the cost would be reflected in the price of electricity, not hidden in higher taxes or health care costs. Less polluting options, like solar and wind, would become more economical and might prove to be the least expensive way to produce electricity.

Proponents of the "free market" claim the market will automatically lead us to the best possible outcome. Many of our Politicians and policy makers clearly believe this to be true. But, if all the cost of a given product or manufacturing process are not reflected in the price of the product, then the company/industry which does the best job of externalizing their costs will appear to be the best outcome, even if when total cost to society are considered they may be the worst.      
 


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Right (0.00 / 0)
One quite legitimate function of government is to internalize the externalities in whatever way possible, precisely in order to make markets work better.  It's not like they will do so on their own.  Adam Smith was quite explicit about this--businessmen never met together, but to conspire against the public, to externalize their costs.

So, regulations and free markets aren't opposites, as know-nothing libertarians spout.  In a modern economy, you can't have anything reasonably close to how a free market is supposed to operate, except with government regulation.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Excellent post (0.00 / 0)
I never really thought about it in that manner.  

the problem we have (if it is a problem), is that we demand efficiency by virtue of the consumer.  Not just Amercians, but everywhere in the world.  Efficiency drive production which drives competition.  As businesses compete, they have to find ways to be better efficient in the way they operate while keeping product cost down to a minimum.  The smart companies are re-investing their savings back into production and better wages and benefits for the remaining workforce.  The dumb comapanies are burning through thier cash flow by way of excessive bonus to the upper tier and not rewarding the workforce.  

Progress means automation.  And as we move further into the future, your going to see less and less people being used in manufacturing and production.  


Companies are not smart or dumb (0.00 / 0)
Companies are legal contracts.  They don't behave dumb OR smart.  People do.

You wrote, "The dumb companies are burning through their cash flow by way of excessive bonus to the upper tier and not rewarding the workforce."

It is the executives themselves who are making these decisions, not the companies.  These executives are being VERY smart, looting the companies.  The executives get rich, leaving behind the shell of a company for the taxpayers ultimately to clean up.  This happens because the rules WE make allow it.  Who is smart or dumb now?

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: dcjohnson


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your right (0.00 / 0)
i shoul have clarrified.  by smart or dumb I was catergorizing good CEO's vs. bad CEO's.  

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I'll be writing (0.00 / 0)
I'll be writing about this problem of the language.  It really does affect how we think about the problem, which then leads to the wrong conclusions about how to fix the problem.

We think of companies as a "they" when actually we are talking about things done by a few people.  Changing this understanding leads to changes in how to fix it.  We can affect what a few people are able to do with a company's resources, but not without understanding that we need to do that.  

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: dcjohnson


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This Is Backwards, Really (0.00 / 0)
Externalizing costs is older than modern capitalism.  The ultimate in externalizing costs is to take over someone else's empire.

Large enterprises always take advantage of their size to structure the environment in which they operate, and creating markets that favor their strengths, forgive their weaknesses and are blind to their crimes is job one for them.

When they encounter others who are more efficient, they must either destroy them, buy them out, or change conditions to undermine their efficiency--for example, by monopolizing trade routes.  The reality is that efficiency is only a driver in a very broad sense--as with the agricultural revolution in Northern Europe ~700 years back, or the industrial revolution as it got jump-started in Britain ~200+ years back--or in a relatively narrow sense, where QWERTY  keyboards are more efficient... oh, wait....

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Don't forget the other side (0.00 / 0)
Don't forget the other side of externalities - positive externalities.  In these cases, the societal benefit of something is larger than the profit motive.  The government's role in these cases is to either introduce regulations favorable to them, or to subsidize them.  This creates more positive externality (because the base deal just became a better value).

For instance, weatherizing your home reduces your heating costs, as well as reducing overall energy usage (reducing the strain on our infrastructure and also reducing pollution).  But when you hash out the costs with the money savings, it winds up not being all that worth it for the individual.  Since the societal benefit is worth it, the government should (and will) step in and offer subsidies.  This changes the value proposition for the consumer and the weatherization company, resulting in more weatherization and more societal benefit.

Basically identical argument with the "Cash for Clunkers" deal.  Upgrading from a gas-inefficient clunker saves you money on fuel and also gets you a newer (and presumably nicer) car, as well as reducing pollution and oil imports (societal benefit).  When the government offers to over-pay for the clunkers (relative to market value), it's a subsidy that results in a more fuel efficient auto fleet (and hence less pollution and less dependence on foreign oil).  The government isn't buying clunkers because Obama's a strange car geek who wants to restore them in his spare time, they're buying clunkers to maximize the positive externality of lower pollution.


Don't forget the other side... (0.00 / 0)
This is the "win-win" aspect of improvements, whether in private businesses or government, where the result of improvement nets to both provider and consumer in better products and services, at reduced costs.  Unfortunately, the policies of the last administration continued to focus the benefits of these transactions, especially government to individuals, to the privileged few at the top of the economic pyramid, in excessive tax cuts and reduced expenses to corporations.

To today's burning issue... Will the efforts to provide reasonable insurance coverage to all Americans be foiled by the special interests, and those few corporate agents (insurance CEO's and others) who benefit tremendously from the current failed system structure?  


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Priorities (0.00 / 0)
Good point. It is all about priorities. Do we, the government, subsidize polluters or use our collective resources to increase the quality of life for all of our citizens.  

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Government Itself Is Founded On The Principle of Positive Externalities (0.00 / 0)
Under Lockean social contract theory.

But try telling that to a libertarian, who wouldn't know Locke from Elliot Ness or Al Capone.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yes (0.00 / 0)
exactly.  The rule of liberal government is to

1) tax negative externalities
2) subsidize positive externalities.


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