Republican Rules: Kick Dems when they're down, gnaw their ankles when you're down

by: Ian Welsh

Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 20:20


Republicans operate as if in a parliamentary system and Democrats don't.

As someone who lives in a parliamentary democracy (Canada) that's what I've noticed.

The fundamental rule of parliamentary democratic politics if you are the opposition party is this:

Whatever the ruling party does is wrong

Why?  Because if the ruling parties policies work and make people happy, healthy and wealthier, then they will be re-elected.  If they are a complete disaster, the opposition will win.  If some don't work, you need to be able to run against them, and it's difficult to do that when you supported them.

The archetypal US example of this is John Kerry in 2004.  The Iraq war is already unpopular, but Kerry can't credibly run against it because he voted for it.  

This calculus is something that Republicans understand, and that Democrats don't. 

Never give an enemy an even break...

Ian Welsh :: Republican Rules: Kick Dems when they're down, gnaw their ankles when you're down
As Dave observed today, many Democrats still think they are living in the past, when gentlemen and ladies could reach across the aisle, find agreement, and do what is right for the country.

The Republicans don't live in that world, and from an electoral politics point of view it's not clear they aren't right not to.  Incumbent parties defeat themselves by failing to rule adequately.  If you don't believe that you weren't paying attention to the last 8 years.  The Democrats didn't defeat the Republicans, they defeated themselves by their complete inability to put through effective policy or to govern effectively day to day (an inability revealed starkly in both Katrina and Iraq).  Democrats walked into the void.

You can walk in faster if you opposed the failed policies (again, see Kerry, 2004) but eventually screwing up governance will tank a party.  

Now in parliamentary systems a majority government just does what it likes, and the opposition reflexively opposes but can't stop anything.  In a minority government, the opposition can't just stop everything because if it defeats the government on the wrong vote it'll cause an election and you don't want one of those till you're sure you'll win and the governing party won't get a majority.  So the government can still get through a fair bit of its agenda, even if it doesn't have a parliamentary majority.

In the US there's no threat of a snap election, and the opposition can often hold up significant legislation, especially in a case like the current one where the governing party has unreliable members (something that's very rare in most parliamentary systems).

So the Republicans have taken parliamentary opposition one step further.  Instead of just opposing everything but letting it pass, then running against it, they figure why not oppose everything in the hopes of weakening policy to the point where it doesn't work?  The stimulus bill was compromised to the point where it didn't do the necessary job.  The global warming bill likewise, and the health care bill appears headed for the same fate.

Lousy policy leads to lousy outcomes. Lousy outcomes make the population unhappy, and less likely to vote the incumbents back in.

What the Republicans are doing makes perfect sense from an electoral point of view.  Voters are not going to primarily blame Republicans for Democrats failing to govern effectively.

This is something that many Democrats, especially older ones who came from a more genteel era, or those who some sort of strange genetic disposition to compromise (Obama) don't seem to get.  But Republicans get it in their limbic system.  They believe that your enemy is your enemy and that you never give your enemy an inch.  When you're on top, you give them the boot, when you're down, you knaw at their ankles till they bleed out and fall.

Comity and compromise only work with people who believe in them. Contrary to the moronic statement "it takes two to fight", it actually takes two to make peace.  When one person wants to fight, and one won't fight, what happens may not be fighting, but it certainly isn't peace.


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"many Democrats still think they are living in the past, when gentlemen and ladies could reach across the aisle, find agreement, and do what is right for the country." (0.00 / 0)
?  like when senators were beating each other with canes or when the sitting vice president and president got into a toast-squabble over whether federalism or slavery was more important?  Anyone who believes the statement quoted above basically doesn't believe that passing laws is more important than the content of the laws' character.

I think you are missing the point ... (0.00 / 0)
the point was .. there was a time when you could do all that .. and they'd kiss and make up over a beer at the local pub .. and at least promise to be civil .. till the next dustup .. now .. Republicans take their orders from Lou Dobbs and Boss Limbaugh .. and spew the kind of bile they do now

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why is it good if the entire american political elite is united? (0.00 / 0)
and why shoudl we speak in a way that makes it seem like this is inevitable or at all a good thing?  this is my point.

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going back too far (4.00 / 1)
Think in terms of living memory.  Through the 50s to about 1994 there were significant numbers of moderate and even a few liberal Republicans.  The Republican party did not operate on a scorched earth basis all the time.  After movement conservativism kicked out all the Rockefeller Republicans, this sort of thing ended, but some silly or possibly disingenous Democrats keep pretending those days will return if they just try hard enough.


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yes and there were significant numbers of democrats who did horrible things (0.00 / 0)
this is part of the reason why the equation of party with political stance is a problematic way to go about undersstanding the american political world. I  thiknk it makes more sense to look at the whole political spectrum on the one hand and look at where the power is in various places on the other and consider things like region, social forces, political coalitions, economics, etc. place individual politicians and the two major parties and others accordingly.    to approach it from a social science standpoint or something like it, in other words.

I raised the point mainly because I think the elevation of tradition obscures some very important points about american politics - for example, like that things change and the parties and their values and strategies and levels of poewr change accordingly and to some extent somewhat predictably.  


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I think it's a different aspect of the past Democrats are worried about (0.00 / 0)
Sure, some of them long for those stupid days when Democrats and Republicans gently compromised over afternoon tea.  But I think a lot of Democrats still think it's the 1980s and 1990s and Reaganism/Gingrichism is dominant over the land.  They compromise with themselves so as to not appear "too liberal".

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agreed (0.00 / 0)
however, reaganism and gingrichism has probably had lingering cultural social and political effects that have become entrenched in some ways and places - including exactly the trend that's being discussed (DLC or Third Way or Clintonism or triangulation or HopeChangeTM whatever you want to call it).  In the same sense that the new deal did.  So sometimes it might make sense for some democrats to play dead - for other circumstances it makes no sense at all (e.g. not supporting any of legalising gay marriage or good single payer health care or redistribution of wealth in new york or massachusetts).

but i agree with your general point.


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Ian, that's not fair (4.00 / 2)
You're saying that the Republicans operate by this rule:
Never give an enemy an even break.

and that the Democrats don't understand it.

The Democrats understand that rule perfectly well.

And they never give the left an even break.


I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


Major point (0.00 / 0)
the United States is NOT a parliamentary system...and the American people don't live in a parliamentary system mindset.

I lived in England for 8 of my 30 years and the way people view politics there (which is you're either left or right, Labour or Conservative or Liberal Dem, one way or the other)...in the United States it's fancy to be a Republican sometimes, a Democrat other times, an "independent thinker open to everyone" You see very few people say they're "partisan" you hear them say "Well I'm a moderate, I agree with the Dems on X, but I think the Republicans are right on Y"

Part of what put the Democrats in power is that many of them ran as non-partisan, they ran against Republican partisanship...it's why Lieberman kept his seat, look how many Democrats beat partisan Republicans by running ads toting their "independence"

Now do I think we'd be better off with a parliamentary system? Absolutely...we sure would have been rid of Bush a LONG TIME ago...after Katrina the latest...and bipartisanship would mean working across left wing coalition party lines...it would change the way people think too.  


I respectfully disagree ... (4.00 / 1)
Part of what put the Democrats in power is that many of them ran as non-partisan, they ran against Republican partisanship...it's why Lieberman kept his seat, look how many Democrats beat partisan Republicans by running ads toting their "independence"

HoJo won because the Republicans didn't run a serious candidate .. when is the last time an "official" Republican candidate in a US Senate race only got 10% of the vote? .. HoJo won because he was given the Karl Rove seal of approval


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Lieberman (4.00 / 1)
kept his seat because he lied about what he stood for, said he wanted the war over, on TV, and enough people believed him, actually.  That and the Republicans did their best to clear the field for him.

As for "touting independence", it's not clear to me that that's why candidates won.  Some ran on it, sure, but is it why they won?  My take is that the people screaming independence are the first people to go down if there's a shift against Democrats - they're the ones in swing districts.  If democrats, aka Obama, become unpopular, more of them than progressives are toast.  Defeating Obama's agenda, or watering it down till it's waste water, isn't going to help them, it'll kill them.

The problem is that while in theory you don't live in a parliamentary system, in practice, right now, you do. And Democrats don't understand this.

Remember, it takes two to be bi-partisan, and right now one side has zero interest in bipartisanship.


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Which is why Republicans aren't popular (0.00 / 0)
and Democrats still relatively are...because people understand Republicans aren't doing what they hoped for...they're generally upset because the great bipartisan dream isn't coming true...that's what they wanted. You aren't seeing a shift to the Republicans, you're seeing a shift to nobody...and what are people being told by their media? That the Democrats are being partisan and liberal and Obama is a socialist.

Lieberman clearly won the Independent vote, even a third of the Democrats in 2006...if he hadn't, he wouldn't have won no matter how many Republicans voted for him, it's Connecticut and Republicans are the third largest group of voters after Independents and Democrats.  


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Republicans (4.00 / 1)
are unpopular because

a) Bush trashed the brand;
b) Wall Street has taken away a lot of the money and given it to Dems instead, because Republicans proved too insane.


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I would add (4.00 / 1)
That Republicans understand better that in the Executive dominant era, the party holding the White House is held responsible for 90% of what happens.  Even in politically literate circles we discuss the Clinton and Reagan years often without remembering that they had opposition congresses for most if not all their presidencies.  

The American system is predicated on checks and balances.  Parliaments are built on responsible government which just means voters know who to blame when things go wrong.  In the US system, under divided government it can be quite difficult to ascribe blame for policies gone wrong.  How much blame should rest on Tip O'Neil for Reaganomics?  How much blame goes to Tom Dasche for the Iraq War?  

However voters have mostly adopted a short hand of blaming the party holding the White House almost regardless of who held congress.  Republican efforts to blame Pelosi for the economic crash went nowhere.  So in that sense it mimics responsible government.  


Suggested Condiments (4.00 / 1)
Ian,
Thanks generally for the wisdom of the north, and this post particularly with its wise inference we take a page from the Republican gustatory playbook. Republican politicians' ankles are universally foul, a consequence of wading in shit and kicking corpses most of their lives. I find it helps to carry some mint jelly and Sen-Sen at all times. I'm not saying don't gnaw. Quite the contrary. Gnaw every chance you get. But carry a breath freshener. You'll need it. And for heavens sake, when you're nearing a vein or an artery, pop in the dental dam. For the few Republicans that still have actual blood circulating, as opposed to embalming fluid or anti-freeze, it could be a lifesaver. And I sincerely hope I am stating the obvious with this adviso: Don't swallow!  

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