More Than Gatesgate

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 18:30


The arrest of Henry Louis Gates, and all that has followed it provides countless different angles to explore, but I want to just focus attention on the following.  First is the little-known fact that this wasn't an isolated incident.  There's a persistent problem with blacks at Harvard suffering from police harrassment. From the Boston Globe last August: (H/T Jesse Taylor at Pandagon)

It was the quintessential college scene: dozens of students from the Harvard Black Men's Forum and the Association of Black Harvard Women picnicking on the Radcliffe Quad, playing capture-the-flag and running relay races at their end-of-the-year field day.

But just an hour into the festivities on the sunny afternoon in May 2007, the fun screeched to a halt. Two campus police officers rode up on motorcycles. Were they students, the officers asked. Did they have permission to be there?

The young men and women, dressed in Harvard T-shirts, would discover that a fellow student in a nearby dorm had mistaken them for trespassers, according to students who were there and whose account was confirmed by Harvard officials.

The incident, which ignited criticism from black students and faculty, highlighted the prejudices that many black students say they continue to face at Harvard, not only from police, but from classmates, as well.

More from that article on the flip, including some brief descriptions of other such incidents.

Second, is the fact that Obama's initial response was refreshingly honest and real: For the police to arrest someone in their own home, just because the person is upset?  Calling it "stupidity" is kind.

But, third, that momentary honesty doesn't really accomplish anything, beyond giving us a rush.  That's why I--someone who's generally infuriated by the walk-back routine--am actually quite pleased with Obama's followup.  The fact is, Gates may very well have been wrong about the officer--but only because the most widespread problem we face today is "Racism Without Racists" (aka "colorblind racism"--see the book by the same name by Eduardo Bonilla-Silva here.), the persistence of subconscious racial attitudes that have a pervasive, pernicious impact on black, Latino and other minorities' lives, without any conscious animosity on the part of whites who harbor such attitudes.  And anything that helps us make some headway in sorting through the deceptive intricacies of colorblind racism is a good thing.

Fourth, special bonus points for outing the plain old-fashioned racism that still lurks in many parts of the GOP/conservative establishment, trying to exploit the persistence of colorblind racism.   (See, for example, "Gates arrest: GOP congressman still on political warpath.")  As Obama's sudden shift in tone struck a chord with the police involved in the incident, and presumably with many millions more white Americans, the hatred-fanning GOP/conservative dinosaurs were caught flat-footed.  And that's a very good thing, indeed.

Paul Rosenberg :: More Than Gatesgate
The experience of blacks at Harvard is significant because it both provides an immediate background against which Gates could not help but see his own experience, and because it epitomizes the experience of all blacks in America, no matter how high they may rise on their own as individuals--they can still find themselves treated as nothing more than anonymous members of a subordinate group without even a moment's notice.

Here, then, is some more of the article quoted above the fold:

"The alarming thing is that this happens in one of the most progressive towns, the most progressive university, and there's this reluctance on behalf of students to even acknowledge that there is some covert racism going on," said Bryan Barnhill, a Harvard senior and former president of the Black Men's Forum.

Barnhill said he would like to see Harvard president Drew Gilpin Faust deliver a speech that makes it clear Harvard will acknowledge and address racial misunderstandings and biases.

"Rather than just focusing on the Police Department, it would be a brave step if the president would ignite a broader and more honest discussion about race," he said.

That's a very key point.  If white community members persist in seeing black community members as outsiders who don't belong, the police are not at fault for that.  The entire community needs to be involved in self-examination.  It can't be shuffled off onto any one individual or group.  It is a systemic problem.  Some can clearly be more responsible than others, but no one gets a free pass.

Farther down, Gates himself is one of several members of the Harvard community quoted:

"We have to have zero tolerance," Gates said. "Any example of racism is one example too much, from the police or any other sector of Harvard University."

A particularly helpful part of the story--for whites who really may have no clue--was a sampling of some black experiences that show what black Harvard community members have to put up with:

Interviews with black students and faculty reflect a perceived climate of underlying racial insensitivity on campus that goes beyond the police. The students recounted incidents when they said white students made them feel as though they do not belong. Their sentiments echoed those of W.E.B. Du Bois, the university's first black PhD, who famously said, "I was in Harvard, but not of it."

Some white classmates assume they are outsiders, black students said, even though they live in the same dorms. Black students account for 8 percent of the school's 6,600 undergraduates.

Sangu Delle, president of the Black Men's Forum, recalled an incident last school year when a white student followed him into his dorm's computer lab and questioned his presence.

"He basically treated me as if I were not a student, as if I had broken in and was a thief walking through the halls of my own dorm," said the 21-year-old junior.

Encounters with police, black students and faculty said, further fuel their sense of not belonging.

S. Allen Counter, a well-known neuroscience professor, said two officers stopped him as he walked across Harvard Yard in 2004 and threatened to arrest him when he could not produce identification. Not believing Counter was a professor, despite his three-piece suit and tie, the officers entered Thayer Hall and questioned students about his identity.

Hours later, Counter learned that he had been stopped because he fit the profile of a well-dressed robbery suspect.

"What offended me most was . . . seeing the faces of my students who said, 'Dr. Counter, they interrogated us about you,' " said Counter, who also heads the Harvard Foundation for Intercultural and Race Relations.

Tim Turner, head of the Black Student Association, said a police car pulled up as he and minority high school students he mentors in the Harvard Crimson Academy played Frisbee this summer next to the Malkin Athletic Center.

"The worst part is that the high school students notice," Turner said. "They automatically feel like they have targets on their back."

J. Lorand Matory, a professor of anthropology and African and African-American studies who cochairs the black faculty association, said that establishing a police community board - made up of faculty, police, administrators, and students - would help solve problems and build goodwill. But Longbrake said the university has no plans for such a board.

As white people, we are daily, hourly, minute-by-minute recipients of privilege.  Was can say, "Hey, I don't want it." But there's no giving it back.  The least we can do is take some responsibility to match that privilege, and the very least we can do in terms of taking responsibility is to learn about what blacks and other minorities around us have to go through in their lives, so that (a) we're not so totally clueless and (b) we can help make it stop.

Near the end of the article, we're told something more about the incident that illustrates the context which helped bring it about:

After police rode away from field day in May 2007, the black students learned about a series of e-mails over a dormitory e-mail list accusing them of ruining the lawn, just weeks before a graduation ceremony would be held there. The black students pointed out that days earlier, a group of mostly white students had held a bash that included alcohol and a slip-and-slide that muddied the freshly seeded lawn. No one alerted police.

Finally, the piece concludes:

"People cannot forget," said Natasha S. Alford, former president of the Association of Black Harvard Women who graduated in June and helped organize the field day. "If people forget, the exact same thing will repeat itself."

This is not your grandfather's racism.  It's a good deal more slippery.  But that's all the more reason to take it seriously.  And this week, remarkably, we've had some very good signs that we may make some real progress in understanding what we're up against, and how to move forward... together.


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Nothing slippery about it (0.00 / 1)
It's the same old ignorant, self-serving racism we've had since slavery. And it's spoken by the ancestors of white slave-owners with the same dreams of stolen glory. Stupid barely begins to describe it.

When an affluent white man is arrested for breaking into his own home (4.00 / 1)
by a black police man, let me know.

but (0.00 / 0)
an affluent black man wasn't arrested for breaking into his own home in this case, either.

I realize it's fun to say that, but it's simply not true, and is intentionally inflammatory.


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Okay then. (4.00 / 1)
When a white Harvard professor is arrested for mouthing off at a policeman, let ME know.

It doesn't even have to be by a black policeman, seriously.

Montani semper liberi


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And I'll give you double points (0.00 / 0)
if you can find a case where a white by-stander calls the cops on a white Harvard professor. For any reason whatsoever, I don't care.

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racism? really? (0.00 / 0)
Can you point to anything that the officer did that was in any way racist?  Because I can't.  If I put myself in the exact same situation -- as a typical white guy -- and I got short and confrontational with a cop like that, I wouldn't at all be surprised to find myself arrested, or at the very least plopped in the back a squad car to cool off.

That's the problem with "colorblind racism" -- it's easy to assume it exists everywhere and plays into every slight, regardless of whether it actually played a role or not.  Maybe race was an issue in this case.  Maybe it wasn't.  But harping on race, immediately, and assuming that the cop -- in some small way at least -- is racist, is insulting, dangerous, and ultimately harmful to race relations as a whole.

It's exactly this kind of thing that makes white people terrified about talking honestly about race.  Because they know that any misstep, even honest ones, even ones where there's no racial bias at all, will be seen as proof of racism.

We'd all be better off if we didn't assume that racism played a part of every single unfortunate thing that happened to black people.  We shouldn't be blind to the advantages that white people have, but a continuous culture of victimhood betters no one.


You're Right (4.00 / 2)
And the fact that blacks were arrested at almost 8 times the rate of whites for smoking marijuana in NYC in 2006:

Even though whites were bigger users:

Has no impact whatsoever on any individual arrest!

Look ma!  No racism!

How convenient!





(Charts with context in my March 15, 2008 diary, "(Black America)--Invisible Nation")

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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the stats (4.00 / 2)
which convinced me of racism weren't the crime stats (though they're awful) but the resume study.  Exact same resume, black vs. white name, half as many interview requests.

Yeah...


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What About The One (4.00 / 2)
where whites with criminal records got more callbacks than blacks with clean records?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Funny you should say that, Ian (4.00 / 2)
it's the very essence of White privilege that most White people have to be "convinced" of the existence of racism in today's America. (I know you already know this, I'm just pointing out how fundamental the experiential divide is for those who remain in the "White privilege denier" camp).  

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congrats (0.00 / 0)
on completely ignoring my point.  In fact, let me quote myself: "We shouldn't be blind to the advantages that white people have".  I recognize that racism exists in the world.  I never said otherwise, so save your bullshit straw man.

The problem is when we see racism everywhere, even when it may or may not exist.  When we assume that every slight to every black person has an element of racism.  When black people are always victims.

Again: can you point to anything that the officer did that was in any way racist?  If not, then you have no business accusing him of racism.  Nor do you have any business casting Gates as a victim of a racial injustice.


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No One Knows Who Discovered Water--We Only Know It Wasn't A Fish (4.00 / 1)
You think you're refuting the existence of colorblind racism, when in fact you are demonstrating how it works.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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what? (0.00 / 0)
It's like you're not even reading what I'm writing.  

Where exactly am I attempting to refute the existence of colorblind racism?  I've said multiple times that I'm sure it exists, and that white people have many advantages in America.  Seriously, please explain where I made any reference to "colorblind racism" not existing.

Also, please explain to me how I'm "demonstrating how it works".  That sounds a lot like you're accusing me of being racist -- which, ironically, is exactly the kind of bullshit that seeing "colorblind racism" everywhere causes, and is exactly what my original post complained about.


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Deniability Has ALWAYS Been A Key Part Of Racism (4.00 / 1)
It's only the less skillful who get caught out, until movements for racial justice get revved up again and generate new awareness.

Just because I don't buy into your rhetoric doesn't mean I haven't heard it a thousand times before.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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so... (0.00 / 0)
You're just not going to address any of my points, or answer any of my questions, are you.  Easier to just spout the same rhetoric, I guess.

To recap:

1) Where is your evidence that race played ANY role in the officer's actions?

2) Where was I attempting to refute the existence of colorblind racism, as you asserted I was?

3) Where was I demonstrating how colorblind racism works? (and apparently being racist myself -- a pretty nasty smear IMO)


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There's No Point (0.00 / 0)
I used to be a math TA.  There was no point trying to teach some students calculus, because they weren't ready for it.  They lacked the vocabulary.  It wasn't a matter of intelligence, or aptitude. It was just vocabulary, if you will  Giving them the vocabulary also gave them the perspective they needed as well. So we had a course called "pre-calculus," which gave them the vocabulary and the perspective.

Likewise, there's no point trying to engage with you directly here, because you lack the vocabulary, and the perspective that comes with it.

If it were a slow weekend, and I had all my diaries written in advance, I might try to explain it all in dialogue with you, even though my past experience tells me that this is nearly impossible--like trying to do a semester of pre-calculus and a semester of calculus all at one go.

But, no.  It's a normally hectic weekend, so I'll have to forgo that particular exercise in futility.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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wow (0.00 / 0)
It's pretty insulting the way that you talk down to anyone who doesn't agree with you, or doesn't roll over to your straw man rhetoric.

I've got all the "vocabulary" I need to discuss this like a mature adult.  I have plenty of perspective on this particular topic.  I just happen to think you're wrong, and rather than you accepting that there are intelligent people out there that might disagree with you, you'd rather just dismiss them and feed your superiority complex.

Kind of sad, really.


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When you say "we all would be better off" (4.00 / 2)
don't you mean "people like me would be better off?" Because that's the problem, isn't it?

You seem to misunderstand what racism is. It's not a matter of personal animus, but a systematic imbalance of power.


Montani semper liberi


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Prescisely! (4.00 / 2)
And blindly assuming that what's best for white people is best for everyone... there's a name for that... t's on the tip of my tongue... starts with "r", ends with "ism"....

Dang! What can it be?  Can I buy a vowel?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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How about if (0.00 / 0)
privileged (ie, in the socio-economic sense), liberal white people start acknowledging the role they play in the perpetuation of racism in America.  When you grow up in de facto segregated, "nice" communities and attend almost exclusively white schools, and mingle with primarily only with other privileged white people, you are perpetuating racism through your classism.  I have watched wonderful minority and integrated neighborhoods in NY become gentrified by white privileged people who have essentially driven out the community and turned these neighborhoods into lily white pseudo-suburbs.  Although there clearly are advantages to being white in America, it is not shared to the same degree.  I am sickened by white people who take full advantage of their socio-economic privileges and then want to preach to others about how enlightened they are because they identify racism and really, really want to work against it.  Try forfeiting some of the advantages you have by sending your children to poor performing schools or living in neighborhoods with high crime rates.  See, by doing those things you can really help those less advantaged, but I bet very few would assume that responsibility.  So, until privileged white people start to put their money where their mouths are, I wish they would just stop sanctimoniously lecturing to the rest of us.  It is really only done to make oneself feel better while they live their lives in a manner that promotes the racial divide.

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I've Lived In Integrated Neighborhoods Most Of My Adult Life (0.00 / 0)
Either working-class or at least partly so.  And, yes, I've been even been mugged on a couple of occasions.

You really don't have any idea who you're talking to.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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My comment was not meant personally (0.00 / 0)
but was directed toward a group, to which it appears you belong.  I would argue privilege derives more from your socio-economic status than the color of your skin (not that I'm denying the discrepancies between treatment on the basis of race).  That was my point.  On the basis of your comment it does appear that you fall into the category I define, notwithstanding that you have chosen (I would bet) to live in working class environments.  Also, the fact that you think getting mugged is some form of bona fides gives me a pretty good idea of whom I am talking to.  

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Totally Clueless! (0.00 / 0)
jar137:

Try forfeiting some of the advantages you have by sending your children to poor performing schools or living in neighborhoods with high crime rates.

Me:

I've Lived In Integrated Neighborhoods Most Of My Adult

Either working-class or at least partly so.  And, yes, I've been even been mugged on a couple of occasions

jar137:

Also, the fact that you think getting mugged is some form of bona fides gives me a pretty good idea of whom I am talking to.

Totally!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Huh. (4.00 / 2)
I did not know that liberals were the only people who lived in segregated communities and attended all-white schools. I guess I just hallucinated all those McCain/Palin yard signs I saw last year while driving through Buckhead, GA. Or was it Belle Meade, TN?

As far as sending our children to poor performing schools -- been there, done that, got the tee shirt. Next question?

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You misread my comment (0.00 / 0)
I did not say that liberals were the only ones to live in segregated communities.  I don't know how you could reach that conclusion from my comment other than by injecting your own defensiveness.  First, I have a problem with anyone who tries to claim a moral high ground by accusing others of racism.  I think one should be very circumspect before making such accusations, particularly if one is engaging in this conduct for the benefit of others.  It smacks of:  Let me demonstrate my bona fides as a non-racist white person by reflexively pointing out the potential racism of others.  When the people making these accusations enjoy the socio-economic benefits of being white (I would argue that white privilege is not shared equaly among all white people on the basis of skin color, but that the intersection of whiteness and socio-economic privilege is where the worst detrimental white privilege resides), I find it hypocritical and, frankly, self-serving.  

In my experience I have found that privileged white people, particularly from more segregated, exclusive communities (most suburbs historically, not just the main line sorts) are usually the ones to make these accusations most readily.  To my view, a lot of the problems of race in this country are perpetuated and reinforced by white ECONOMIC privilege, more than skin color alone.  And these problems can best be resolved through a class-based approach.  For example, with the Gates flap, if people focused on police overreaching against all citizens and sought action from that perspective, time would not be wasted by sanctimonious people shouting racism and real reform can occur for all, including black Americans who have a particular history in this area.  By focusing on the race element here, privileged whites demonstrate that they are more motivated by self-interest (let me show the world what a good and moral person I am) than solving the problem at hand.  I would argue they do this because to shift the focus would compel them to look inward and acknowledge how their history and life style are actually part of the problem.  I find it morally indefensible for people who enjoy the economic privilege of being white (segregated, exclusive communities and schools, professional parents and all of the socio-economic benefits that come with greater wealth) to so readily point fingers at others, while not looking at the role they and their lifestyles play in the promotion of racism in this country.  

My basic point is that you have to take the plank out of your own eye before you can remove the sty from another's.  I think there is a real resistance among privileged liberal white people to doing this.  I would bet good money that at least the majority of people on the left blogosphere who rushed to judgment about the race-related motives of the Cambridge cop are privileged white people.  As a white liberal from a working class background, this sickens me.


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If you are here to bitch (0.00 / 0)
about clueless rich liberals, you have come to the wrong place.

Maybe you missed this post, written only a few days ago?

http://www.openleft.com/diary/...

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Besides which (0.00 / 0)
what do motives have to do with anything?

Racism is a problem of structures, not feelings. Not motives. The most "non-racist" person in the world will find themselves doing racist things if they are placed in a racist context, and vice versa.

Look at that perfect example -- slavery. Before it was illegal, there were some of "sensitive" slaveholders who felt very conflicted about owning human beings. They knew it was wrong but they did it anyway, for a variety of reasons. The biggest one probably being "everyone else does it." Or maybe there were financial considerations, they couldn't afford to free them, or whatever.

Then, when slavery became illegal, no one owned slaves. Did that mean all those former slave owners just, poof -- changed their minds over night? Of course not. The sensitive few might have been secretly relieved (but they sensibly kept their mouths shut). The majority of former slaveholders still felt the way they had before, still thought the way they had before, they were still racist. But they no longer owned slaves.

Do you see the difference? It doesn't matter what people think or feel, it matters how they act, and how they act is colored by the world they live in and the rules they live under.

The white woman who called the police on Gates would never have called the police on a white Harvard professor. The cop who arrested him would never have arrested a white Harvard professor, no matter how many "do you know who I am"s were thrown at him. He would've ducked his head and yes-sir-I'm-sorry-sirred his way out the door. (Which is also a problem, but a different one)

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Your comment (0.00 / 0)
is completely non-responsive.  Also, I note that you are quick to say that the white woman would not have called the cops on a white Harvard professor.  That is the kind of hubris I am talking about.  Who are you to judge her that way without any information?  What gives you the right, other than your personal sanctimony?  And you have no shame about it.  You are so wrapped up in trying to prove you're not racist that you think nothing of casting aspersions at others.  How does that make you any better than someone who makes quick judgments on the basis of other people's skin color?  Please explain.  And for the record, if you listen to the 911 call, you will hear that the woman made no rush to judgment.  She was merely trying to be a good citizen in the event a crime was occurring.  You will hear her say, I don't know if it's the owner, because there are suitcases in front of the house, but I saw two men push through the door so I thought I should call.  After listening to the call, you would feel shame at your rush to judgment, if you had any.  

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I get it now. (0.00 / 0)
You live in a fantasy world in which white women call the cops on white Harvard professors. No wonder.

If you ever decide to pay a visit to the real world, drop me a line.

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Ooohn (0.00 / 0)
now there's an intellectually stimulating response.  Name-calling, what more do you have to offer?

I note your pathetic unwillingness to admit you were wrong in your accusation.  Now, explain to me how you are any better or different than the right wing racists?


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actually, no (0.00 / 0)
A culture of victimhood doesn't help black folks either.

Find racial biases where they exist.  Work to eliminate them.  But seeing racism everywhere, even in situations like this one where there's absolutely no evidence that race played a role, hurts both sides for all the reasons I posted above (which you seem to have ignored).


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Racism Is A CONTEXT (4.00 / 1)
And a context is, by definition, everywhere.

Is it everywhere equally manifest?  No, of course not.  But it's there, nonetheless.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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so (0.00 / 0)
just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly -- that means that every slight to every black man or woman is necessarily racist?

And you think believing that HELPS race relations in this country?


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Institutionalized imbalances of power. (4.00 / 1)
Can you say those words? Do you know what they mean?

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Righto- (4.00 / 1)
the culture of victimhood is strictly for conservative white males! Others need not apply.

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huh? (0.00 / 0)
Not sure where you're getting that -- certainly not from anything I've written.

Might as well throw a random talking point out there though, I guess.


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If the shoe fits, (4.00 / 1)
wear it.  

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I mean, (4.00 / 1)
I've never encountered a racism denier who WASN'T white and conservative.

I know black deniers exist, because I see them on TV, but I'm pretty sure they are unique to the beltway. And they are very rare, almost statistically insignificant. If you are one of them, you are dining at a four star restaurant with Rush Limbaugh, not passing time on Open Left with the peons.

The male part is just a guess, based on your general cluelessness. You could be a white conservative female but not likely.

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THOSE POOR BLACK STUDENTS AT HARVARD! (0.00 / 0)
Maybe they should have gone to one of the historical black colleges.  They could have gotten an excellent education and probably not faced discrimination based on race.  Based on class, family income and intelligence...maybe/probably.  As for the "well-known and respected Harvard professor", personally, I have no respect for him...he is just another not too bright black man...wanting to see a black face in the WH.  So he got that...and what has it gotten him?  Evidently, the policeman "didn't know" or care "who they were talking to".  The Black and Hispanic police who were with Officer Crowley at the time of the Gates arrest, both reported that he was totally out of order, out of control, and the officer was right to arrest him...so I guess they were all racist???  The Black officer reported that Crowley had left the house, and Gates followed him outside yelling and screaming at him. Sounds like disorderly conduct to me.  

Just Another Not Too Bright Racist (Gets Banned After Just One Post) (4.00 / 2)
Calling any Harvard professor "just another not too bright black man" in your first post at Open Left is not a very bright thing to do.

It gives the game away.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Hey Paul (4.00 / 2)
I was a resident tutor in one of the Quad houses when the incident you posted about went down.  I was also a "race relations" tutor and a the house representative to the Harvard Foundation for Intercultural and Race Relations which is run by Dr. Alan Counter who is quoted above.  We had several community meetings that brought together different black organizations on campus and the people responsible for calling the police that day and complaining about the black students on the message boards.  Let me tell you it was a shit show.  All of the same arguments that have been trotted out in this case were recited over and over again by the defenders of the police and the students who complained and called the police.  They simply refused to acknowledge that race played any role in their actions -- and they were wrong.  While I give them credit for trying to dialogue it out with us, in the end it was pointless for the exact reasons you will not engage with our fellow here responding to your post.  They don't  have the context or the vocabulary and are so entrenched in their color blind world view that they can not see outside that box.  

Black students at Harvard do not have that hard a time with these issues -- not in a way serious enough to really  impair their performance -- but they do have it much worse than at the other Ivies like Penn and other elite  colleges around the country like Stanford.  Community building is hard as "ethnic" organizations are generally frowned upon (there are no ethnically based housing dorms that students can selectively opt in to for example).  What is more there is great diversity among blacks at Harvard bringing much tension with it.  Black Americans from working class backgrounds have it especially hard because there are so few of them.  Most blacks at Harvard are immigrants or children of immigrants from various West Indian countries or Africa (particularly Nigeria).  American blacks make up probably 30-40% and of that group many are biracial or come from comparatively wealthy backgrounds.  So there are a lot of divisions within the community that are a source of constant conversation on campus.  But these nuances are lost on the larger Harvard community and the police.  They still see race first -- culture, identity and class last.  


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"They simply refused to acknowledge that race played any role in their actions -- and they were wrong.  While I give them credit for trying to dialogue it out with us, in the end it was pointless for the exact reasons you will not engage with our fellow here responding to your post.  They don't  have the context or the vocabulary and are so entrenched in their color blind world view that they can not see outside that box."

Here's the thing -- that situation obviously could have been due to racism.  The Gates arrest could have too.  I'm not denying that race absolutely could have played a role in both of those situations.

My issue has more to do with necessarily making each individual case where there's some perceived unfairness or slight all about race.  I'm sure it happens.  Probably all the time.  But assuming racism in every case and making it all about race strikes me as counterproductive.


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Why are you so sure (4.00 / 2)
that that case was more clear cut than this one?  The police defenders then also said that they were simply responding to complaints.  The black students in that case were also loud and rowdy.  The black students in that case were young, listening to rap music and dressed in athletic clothing -- they looked just like the "local" Cambridge kids they were accused of being.  The police also claimed that the students failed to identify themselves properly -- can you blame the students for not carrying their id's while rolling around in the lawn!  Why should the police not have assumed they were not Harvard students?

ccorollo, you seem to be suggesting that simply being accused of racism is as bad as being an actual victim of racism!  Why do accusations of racism bother you so much?  If the worst thing that results from hundreds of years of racism is that white people have to be accused of being racists all the time, is that the end of the freaking world?  I personally am willing to put up with that discomfort because I understand where folks are coming from.  Why are you so reluctant to do the same?  Is this some new scourge of our society, poor poor white people getting called racists at every turn?  Come on dude.  It's not as if Marcus Garvey is back from the dead leading a mass movement in the streets for black separatism.  White people are getting called racists (in situations where there is plausibility that it is the case).  Get over it.


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I don't see how condoning (0.00 / 0)
false accusations of racism actually improve race relations in any way.  If we want to move towards a more egalitarian society, the hallmark of that crusade should be human dignity for all, which includes the right to be free from false accusations.  I don't understand how people don't realize that if you condone any injustice you lose the moral power of your position.  The other problem with a relativistic morality is that someone gets to decide what is acceptable injustice and what is not, which is precisely the status quo.  You are merely arguing for supplanting one set of unacceptable rules (racism doesn't exist, so shut up about it) with another.  That's not at all progressive in my mind.  

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What sucks is that assimilation isn't enough. And while I don't think the Gates thing is necessarily the greatest example (might be a harmful example), what should be acknowledged is that simple fact. A lot of whites seem content to wash their hands of racial problems in America so long as they can write it off on culture. The "don't talk/dress like a thug and you don't have to worry about the police" mentality. But that isn't all there is to it. It isn't enough to be equivalent to the average white person. A black person has to be exceptional. I live in a small southern city (or I guess you could call it a big town). If I want to be able to get into every bar/club when I go out (the ones that aren't "private"), I can't be dressed like the average white kid. T-shirt, shorts and flip-flops isn't going to get it done. If I go out, it's collared shirt, no hat, no tennis shoes. I'll brave jeans, but they can't be baggy. I do all that so there is no hassle. Just so when I go to a new bar (or encounter new bouncers) I don't have to get embarrassed and carry that chip on my shoulder for the rest of the night.

Reminds me of the Chris Rock joke where all the blacks in his neighborhood were the top of their profession but the white guy he lived next to was some random dentist.

But to bring it back to the Gates thing, this is something that I would hope this incident would explore. The calculations that go on in the heads of black people when dealing with the police. The calculations that go on when dealing with white society in general.

Why I say Gate's arrest might be a harmful example to this conversation is because whites get to chalk the Gates arrest up to Gates being mouthy (the unquestioning acceptance of someone being arrested for that is another topic entirely but also something worth talking about). So whites get to once again say "well if Gates acted like a normal person" and go on their merry way, reinforcing the idea that blacks simply need to be as accommodating as the rest of society. (as opposed to the fact that more often then not blacks have to be more accommodating)


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