Blended Spaces--Making Sense of Partial Perceptions Of Obama

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 13:30


Even before Obama began running for President, cognitive linguist George Lakoff had proclaimed him both a natural master of framing and a progressive.  While I deeply respect Lakoff's work, not just in  regard to politics or his pathbreaking work as one of the founders of cognitive linguistics, but also for his collaborations with philosopher Mark Johnson, particularly Philosophy in the Flesh, I think his reading of Obama-while accurate in some respects-has been dangerously off the mark. In this diary, I try to explain why.  And to frame that explanation, I want to begin with the work of a couple of other cognitive scientists-- Mark Turner and Gilles Fauconnier, which I first learned about directly from Turner's own lips when I was helping to produce a public lecture series on cognitive linguistics at the late lamented Midnight Special Bookstore in Santa Monica back around 1994 or so.

George Lakoff and Mark Johnson virtually invented the field of cognitive linguistics with their 1980 book, Metaphors We Live By. Their fundamental insight was simple: metaphors are not a decorative addendum to language, they are a central feature of it, that structures our shared understanding of the world in myriad ways.  The basic structure of the metaphor is the mapping of a structure of entailments from what's known as the "source domain" to the "target domain".  One example is "Love Is A Journey".  An examples of entailments are that it could be a journey by land ("we've hit a rough patch"), air ("fly me to the moon"), or sea ("love on the rocks").

I could say a whole lot more about cognitive metaphor, but that's just stage setting for where I'm going with this.  What I learned from Turner was that he and Gilles Fauconnier-who had also been a part of the same series-had come up with a new model of cognitive mapping that involved not one source domain, but two.  This would become known as the model or theory of conceptual blends.  At my request he later sent me the first paper they wrote on the subject, "Conceptual Projection and Middle Spaces" (pdf) (Goggle-generated HTML version, in case of loading problems).  In their model, there are actually four spaces-the two input spaces, an abstract generic space and a richer blended middle space that inherits structure from both input spaces, as well as adding structure of its own.  They argued that this model was broadly applicable to a wide range of cognitive processes at virtually every level of abstraction.  While the work they were doing was up-to-date in connecting with then-current research, they were quite straightforward in connecting with earlier work making similar arguments, most notably Arthur Koestler's Act of Creation, which argued that creativity (as well as humor) was largely based on the bringing together of two different frameworks of thought.

A very simple example of a blended space cited in that paper is that of an imaginary race between two ships ages apart in time:

Consider the following excerpt from a report in the sailing magazine Latitude 38:
    As we went to press, Rich Wilson and Bill Biewenga were barely maintaining a 4.5 day lead over the ghost of the clipper Northern Light, whose record run from San Francisco to Boston they're trying to beat. In 1853, the clipper made the passage in 76 days, 8 hours. -"Great America II," Latitude 38, volume 190, April 1993, page 100
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Three situations, two real and one imaginary, are available to the reader: the actual passage of the clipper back in 1853, the current run by Great America II in 1993, and the imaginary race between Great America II and the ghost of Northern Light. The excerpt refers only to the third: the imaginary situation. And yet there is of course no confusion about what is said: readers do not assume that the writers believe in ghost ships, or that if Great America II should capsize, Northern Light's ghost will come along and rescue the crew. To understand the excerpt and to draw the proper inferences, we construct three spaces: one for the 1853 passage, one for the current 1993 run, and a blended space into which both ships are projected, yielding the additional conceptual structure of a race.

By giving the relative positions of the ships in the blended space, the writer provides information which can be exported to the target, the 1993 space: whether Great America II is doing well, is going fast enough, is accomplishing its goal, and so forth. Although positions in the 1853 and 1993 spaces could be compared to each other in an abstract way, the blended space does more, by fitting the comparison into a preexisting cultural frame, the RACE, which not only has the required structure, but brings with it emotions and intentions of the sailors, which can then be transferred globally to the target, with reduced cognitive effort and increased efficiency and content. Notice how the blend works: it does not merely superpose the two initial spaces; it projects structure from each one into a larger structure adapted to a preexisting cultural frame (racing), which appears in neither of the initial spaces. Notice also that the blend is perfectly consistent and straightforward-two boats in a race. Its "impossibility" is purely pragmatic, and of no consequence to the efficient exported inferences and emotions.

Returning to Lakoff's endorsement of Obama, it's possible to think of it like this: Lakoff sees Obama's intuitive grasp of framing, narrative and the importance of values in politics, he also sees how Obama's discourse meshes rather deeply with his own ongoing work on the nature of liberalism vs. conservatism in terms of cognitive science (not just Moral Politics and Don't Think of An Elephant, but also Whose Freedom?)  This is all in rather stark contrast to the virtual ignorance of such matters by most other Democratic politicians, or the selective and generally superficial appropriation of his work by those who have at least listened to him, but still don't seem to have gotten the central points he has been driving at.

Some have said-somewhat plausibly-that Lakoff is simply projecting his desires and thought process onto Obama, and that he's utterly mistaken.  (A similar claim was advanced about Robert Fuller in discussions here last weekend.)  But what if we take a step back and think in terms of blended spaces.  Lakoff has also written repeatedly, if briefly, and as a non-expert, about the need for building progressive infrastructure.  What if we consider these as two separate input spaces-one dealing with Obama's articulation of progressive politics as Lakoff sees it, the other dealing with progressive infrastructure (or lack thereof).  Because Lakoff is an expert in one space, but not the other, his natural tendency has been to focus on it almost exclusively, and because others generally fail to recognize its significance, he has written about repeatedly without seeming to modify his analysis in terms of readily perceived shortcomings in terms of Obama's performance.

While it's impossible to get inside of Obama's head, one can get inside of his rhetoric, and one can observe that the progressive features that Lakoff observes there are real-as is the response he elicits from many.  Lakoff is not projecting any more than we all project what we know onto the world in order to understand it.  But he is failing to adequately account for the ways in which Obama's rhetoric fails to match up with his actions, and here the issue of progressive infrastructure surely plays a role-although we cannot say for sure how much of a role and in what manner.  However, we clearly saw something in the relentlessly conventional nature of his top-level appointments-most notably to defense & intelligence posts and to economic posts, where there was incredible-and to some quite surprising, if not shocking-continuity.  And, of course, that was only the beginning.  But for clarity's sake, let's stick with it for a while.

Several things stand out about those appointments:

    (1) Obama clearly could have made much more progressive appointments.

    (2) Progressives clearly lacked the clout to force him to make such appointments.

    (3) Many progressives mistakenly assumed that clout was not needed, since the Bush failures-and failures of conservatism more generally-were so clearly manifest, as were the failures of Democratic insiders who failed to adequately critique and foresee what was wrong with the Bush Agenda.

    (4) Other progressives (perhaps "progressives" would be more accurate) insisted that it didn't matter who Obama appointed, since they would just be doing what he told them to do.

    (5) These appointments were clearly consistent with one stream of Obama's pre-election rhetoric, the desire to "reach out" and set a bipartisan tone, even as they contradicted another stream, that of the promise of change. Obama clearly didn't see it that way however, as he subscribed to a political analysis that identified "partisan gridlock" as the obstacle to change. This will be the subject of further analysis below.

    (6) There were clear hints during the campaign-and even before-that Obama's understanding of progressive politics is not nearly as deeply rooted as one might expect from someone touting his roots as a community organizer, and often owed more than a little to conservative misrepresentations-itself a direct result of conservative success in waging hegemonic warfare. This has become increasingly obvious as his presidency has unfolded.

    (6a) Perhaps the most striking and fundamental example of (6) is Obama's individualist infatuation, which not only cuts against the old-fashioned progressive traditions of solidarity, but also against the very nature of the social networks on which his campaign success was largely built. Indeed, it was arguably the widespread youth desire to counter their individualist fragmentation and to come together as a larger community that fueled his candidacy.

Let's look more closely at the Obama's "partisan gridlock" analysis identified in (5) above.

First off, this analysis, however, is itself (a) utterly ahistorical and without foundation, and (b) the product of two quite different discourses.  Taking (a) first, as Mike has shown in his book, The Progressive Revolution, major problems do not get solved by bipartisan consensus, they get solved by progressive supermajorities during brief windows of historical opportunity.  There are exceptions, of course: the Great Depression was finally ended when World War II virtually eliminated conservative opposition to the sort of massive government spending that was needed to restore full employment.  But conservatives did not agree to that massive spending for the purpose of restoring full employment, so this rare example of a "bipartisan solution" must be counted as entirely accidental-the exact opposite of the narrative that casts bipartisan legislation as the product of superior deliberative processes.

Turning to (b), one source of the "partisan gridlock" narrative is Versailles itself, which employs this narrative quite selectively and disingenuously, ignoring how frequently Democrats have given Republican Presidents-large chunks of what they wanted with very little real opposition.  (A point Glenn Greenwald made very well by compiling a list of extremist Bush initiatives that passed with substantial Democratic support.)  The Versailles narrative, thus, sees "partisan gridlock" primarily in terms of the Democratic Party threatening to heed its base, and acting to thwart the will of elite special interests.

The popular narrative of "partisan gridlock" is almost the exact opposite-it sees "partisan gridlock" in terms of elite DC politics blocking measures that would benefit the vast majority of the American people.  This popular narrative is not always accurate in its grasp of details-the desire for term limits, for example, would actually vastly increase the power of lobbyists and the other unelected power-brokers, making Congress even less responsive to the popular will--but the populist narrative  around "partisan gridlock" is clearly not the same as Versailles, even when it does inadvertently play into what Versailles wants.

And here's where Obama comes in, "big time," as America's #2 war criminal would say.  For Obama has proven himself masterful at articulating the popular opposition to "partisan gridlock" (aka "politics as usual") while actually providing enormous cover for the very special interests he is posturing against.  There have been a few revealing moments when this has leaked out into public.  (As when Politico reported him meeting with bank CEOs:  "'My administration,' the president added, 'is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.'")

There is, I think, a very good argument to be made that Obama should be seen as similar to Tony Blair.  Blair's argument was that Labor could do a better job of implementing the Tory agenda than the Tories could themselves.  This was actually the same argument that Eisenhower made regarding the New Deal.  And while Obama's political ideology makes him almost Blair's doppelganger, it's the example of Eisenhower that is most revealing, because Eisenhower was a Republican President in a Democratic era, who was elected as a war hero, not for his politics.  Indeed, when people first spoke of his running, no one knew which party's nomination he might seek.  Everything about Eisenhower's situation spoke to the logic of what he did.

The exact opposite is true of Obama.  He is the first Democratic President of what promises to be a new Democratic era-unless he blows it, which he very well could do if he fails to deliver some of the very needed change that the nation has been clamoring for.  He was elected specifically on the premise of a need for change, and specifically in opposition to the politics of George W. Bush.  So everything he does to accommodate, ala Blair or Eisenhower, is an undermining of his mandate.

Why does he do it? The reasons are no doubt multiple and complex.  But one over-riding factor is that he has come of age politically during a period dominated by conservatives waging hegemonic warfare, while progressives have not even woken up to what is happening.  And one result of that is that Obama accepts as given the way that conservatives have framed a great many issues.  Locked into their ideological framework, he then tries to do some warm-and-fuzzy things within the confines of that framework.  But their framework necessarily limits those warm-and-fuzzy things to mere gestures at best, if not deceptive packaging for genuinely evil policies.

My point here is simple:  One does not have to buy into Obama's worldview at all to see some truth in him having progressive instincts.  What's lacking is a progressive intellect--or even just an independent critical one.  Instincts are important, of course.  But they're not enough.  Especially when you're talking abuot the President of the United States. We already learned that with George W. Bush.

Didn't we?


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A man has scheduled two job (4.00 / 2)
interviews.  One is for the head lobbying position of the American Tobacco Association, and one is for the anti tobacco group Truth.  He is prepared for either interview.  This strikes me lately as Obama.  He can persuasively advocate for any position he wants, without letting you know the position he really wants.  If the President wanted reform for healthcare why did he sabotage single payer?  For that matter if he cares so much about it, why does he let Rahm Emanuel talk?

Well, This Is An Attempt To Help Answer That Question (4.00 / 1)
Seriously.

There are a lot of different ways you can come up with superficially similar behavior.  I'm trying to cut through that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Paul if you could go back in (0.00 / 0)
time to 1786 would you choose our current system or a more parliamentary system?

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Hard To Say (0.00 / 0)
In the abstract, it's a no-brainer.  But in historical context?  Not so much.

The bigger problem is that we made is so damned near impossible to make a dramatic change when we got to the point where one was obviously necessary.

And, of course, there's the Senate, which is really a terrible, racist, anti-democratic problem.

So, if by a "parliamentary system" you mean one without the sort of upper house we have, then I would definitely say a parliamentary system.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Formal structures are important (0.00 / 0)
But they are way less important than we make them out to be.

In particular, there are plenty of backroom deals in Parliamentary systems.  One of the advantages of our two-party system is that, while there is little choice about party, there is a very direct correlation between who you vote for and the government that takes power (well, if you get rid of the electoral college and other such nonsense).  

In Parliamentary systems, you can often have much more choice, but have the results of the elections influence things less.  Consider the following made-up example with a 100 seat Parliament(though things of this type can be quite common):

Pre-election:

Christian Democrats (CD): 20 seats
Socialists (S): 51 seats
Communists (C): 29 seats

In this government, the Socialists hold a clear majority, and they form a majority government, electing a socalist prime minister, etc.  After a few years, Parliament dissolves, and after the election, you get:

Post election:

CD: 20 seats
S: 41 seats
C: 39 seats

The country has clearly shifted to the left, with a massive groundswell of support for the Communist party, and the Socialists have nearly lost the Plurality in Parliament.  But the socialists, fearing the radicalism of the Communist party, make a series of concessions to the Christian Democrats, give them the defense ministry, and form a coalition government.

Therefore, the result of this dramatic leftward shift is a more conservative government, not one that is less so.  The complexity of such dynamics, and the importance of the decision-making of the leaders becomes more and more important as the number of parties increases.  


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That's Part of What I Meant (0.00 / 0)
by the abstract/historical context distinction.

Although there is change over time, different parliamentary systems have tended to preserve their essential characters for fairly long periods of time.  Some are more fragmented, some skewed one way or another. No panacea there.  But a promise of possibility--particularly compared to how we're hamstrung by the Senate.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Understood (4.00 / 1)
But I did want to just provide a concrete example of how Parlimentary systems can tend to be undemocratic in some cases.  It is just a different system, with a different structure that trades off some advantages for some disadvantages.  

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The example you gave is a problem not with parliaments (0.00 / 0)
but with "first past the post" election systems. Parliament could have just two parties. In fact its common. The solution to the problem you cite is solved when people note that they have been suckered, and vote in a majority government of the party that wants the change actually done.

People reading now will wonder at attacks of third party politics I have made in the past. I like the idea of fusion voting that Working Families Party has used. I am however a complete pragmatist as well, and if you do not have a system that does anything except round file third party votes, its a con job.

I support proportional representation, with seats added to a house to bring representation to equality with votes, such as is used in New Zealand.


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No. (0.00 / 0)
The example I posted can, and does play out in proportional representation systems.  It is common in italy or the French Fourth Repubic, for example.

It is a function of the fact that, in a parliamentary system, a majority vote (or at least, a majority unwilling to vote non confidence) is necessary to maintain a stable government.  


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Why is a proportional majority undemocratic. (0.00 / 0)
I did misunderstand your example, but then now I don't understand.

"Becoming more left" isn't a right to govern, now matter disappointing. It does expose the pretend left party, to be tools though, and the great disappointment shold be motivating to move two things, actual left activists inside the pretend left party demanding that their party stop being pretend, and voters who are shocked that the once opposition to the party they want out, is cooperating.

This is exactly the situation we have in Canada. Though Daniel will be angry for my saying.

A two party system could "move left" and lose power. If Nader for example takes 5% of the vote.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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If this purpose of elections is for the people to select a government (0.00 / 0)
and for the government to reflect the will of the people, then the above example is undemocratic, as the result of the election is that the government moved in the opposite direction to the desires of the people.

The Canadian example is even more complicated than that, as the populace moved to the right (the Conservatives picked up seats), but a clear majority voted for left wing parties.  In response to this, you had the coalation attempt, but then you had the left parties pulling out of the coalition, preferring a right wing government.  

My example would have been Dion taking a high level ministry in exchange for forming a coalition with the conservatives, thus dissolving the coalition attempt.  Or the Likud-Labor coalition in Israel.


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A majority is governing in your example. (0.00 / 0)
Christian Democrats (CD): 20 seats
Socialists (S): 51 seats
Communists (C): 29 seats

In this government, the Socialists hold a clear majority, and they form a majority government, electing a socalist prime minister, etc.  After a few years, Parliament dissolves, and after the election, you get:

Post election:

CD: 20 seats
S: 41 seats
C: 39 seats

A majority is governing in your example. In both cases. 51% of the seats in the first example (51 to 49), and with 61% in the second. You can say that the people "intended" to vote for a socialist / communist coalition of 80%, but the socialists disagree. The majority government of Christian Democrats and Socialists represents 61% of the elected Reprentatives.

The assumption of what the three parties "mean" from here, or even there, is only an assumption. They decided to work together. For example, in canada, many people assume that votes for the Canadian Green Party are really lefty votes, and that this represents wasted Liberal and NDP votes. In many examples, a great deal, even a majority, vote Conservative if pressed, denied a green vote, or don't have a Conservative leader who is not a bigoted dolt to vote for.

We cannot say that Germans wanted a socialist communist coalition. We cannot call the result anti-democratic.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Also, the population did not move right. They voted further left (0.00 / 0)
In the first election that happened, the conservatives did indeed pick up seats, but the voters were "further left"

the seconmd time, the NDP got eight more seats, but the minority conservatives remained in power.

Second, and this is getting too narrow to read. The liberals, Dion were encouaged at the earliest possible moment, to join in coalition, Dion, once again was indecisive, and put off the   idea of a coalition, until it was ginned up as shocking by the  Press, including the CBC, esp, Peter Mansbridge the anchor of the nightly news who "frowned mightily" in front of apocalyptic storm cloud graphics about pontificated about the democratic crisis, that was no crisis, until some of the blue dogs in the liberal party overthrew Dion and appointed the infamous Ignatief as leader, who by himself, withdrew from the entente with the NDP. the NDP urged Ignatieff to continue the entente. (agreemnet)

As to why it was no "crisis" in a Parliamentary system, like Canada's, and the mother of all Parliaments Britain; the people do not elect government. They elect Parliament. Parliament is the place of all power, having been given it by the people in election. Parliament then chooses government. That is why a "vote of confidence", held in Parliament allows or denies a governments right to govern.

There have been similar ententes, the Liberals and NDP did just that, formally, in Ontario, Canada's most populous province, and governed despit the conservatives getting the most seats, but not a majority. The government was allowed to govern by vote of confidence in the House.

As to the idea that Leaders should not govern without an election, I point you to PM Brown in Britain. Brown became Prime Minister in June 2007, and it is now July 2009 and there is as yet, no expectation of an election soon. The law stipulates that an election must not be delayed past 5 years since the last.

I have now explained far too much.  Sorry.

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Note that I"m not necessarily saying that Parliamentary government is (4.00 / 1)
undemocratic.  Just that there are undemocratic elements in it that an American audience might not be familiar with.  Just as a Presidential system has undemocratic elements.  Or any representative democracy system, really.  


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And I guess that I should say, also (0.00 / 0)
that proportional representation probably actually makes more sense in a Presidential system than it does in a Parliamentary system, because a majority in the latter determines everything about the government, while in the latter, it is much more natural for shifting legislative coalitions to create majorities for various initiatives and to block various other initiatives.  

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I think this got lost in a cut and paste. (0.00 / 0)
you use latter twice, and I think you mean that proportional is better for parliamentary systems.  

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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No (0.00 / 0)
Proportional representation is better for Presidential systems (provided you have runoffs or some form of similar compensation for third party effects), as a majority vote isn't necessary to elect the government, and so there is no magical effect gained by one party or a coalition of parties gaining a majority in the Legislature.  

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By. Majority vote above, (0.00 / 0)
I mean majority vote OF PARLIAMENT, of course.  

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A runoff for a President is not more democratic than all the voters repsented a legislaure, or parliament. (0.00 / 0)
Having a legislature with every single vote present is democratic.

Voters all across the country never ever have a representative they voted for in the their House.

A runoff, i.e. being 'allowed' to vote for someone you didn't like, isn't the same level of democracy as having the exact representation of your vote and everyone who agrees with you, in a seat, in the House, voting your way.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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I'd say $22 trillion to the banksters... (4.00 / 2)
... is pretty effective hegemonic warfare using both instinct and intellect.

Ditto boxing "progressives" into a health care plan that's a guaranteed market for insurance companies -- in other words, a bailout -- and ghettoizes the uninsured, and doesn't kick in 'til 2013.

I'd say intellect was operating on all eight cylinders there, wouldn't you?


I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


That's One Take (0.00 / 0)
I'd say intellect was operating on all eight cylinders there, wouldn't you?

I just think it's more complicated than that.

More Philip K. Dick than Isaac Asimov.

More Buffy than Charmed.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Simulacra, perhaps (0.00 / 0)
Complexity is not, in itself, a virtue. Either in real life or analytically. There are plenty of situations (accounting control fraud comes to mind, a la Enron) where the surface complexity masks a very simply process of looting. Occam's razor has a lot to say about that.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

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Adequacy Is A Virtue (0.00 / 0)
I just don't find reductionist explanations adequate.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Petitio elenchi (0.00 / 0)
n/t

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

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Instincts, huh? (4.00 / 6)
I'm not sure it makes much sense to talk about "instincts" because an instinct is, at least techinically, behavior that is innate, unlearned, and by this point almost everything a president does derives from leaning and/or conditioning and, in any case, it seems impossible to separate the innate from the learned and--oh my--I'm blathering.

My point is that it makes more sense to talk about the imulses that drive Obama, the dominant impluses, and from watching Obama closely for two years, I believe his dominant impulses are fatal caution and deference to powerful interests that can hurt him politically, which are, at this point, almost all reactionary forces. Thus his dominant impulses are decidedly counter-progressive, and they overwhelm whatever other impulses are swimming around in his psyche, and why shouldn't they? He became president by following them.

It does seem that the society he would create if he could snap his fingers might look pretty good. Take health care. He said that if he were starting from scratch, single-payer would be the way to go. But he's not willing to fight for it, because he would risk much and likely lose.

What's missing, I'd say, isn't just or so much a "progressive intellect" but simply courage, the kind of courage that impels a person to risk dramatic failure.

My changing on this has changed somewhat. I used to think that given the needs of the country combined with Obama's rhetorical skiils, he might be able to take on the corporate-imperial machine and win. But no, the corporate-imperial machine is too strong. Were Obama able to overcome his dominant impulses and fight, the machine would win. Obama's fear isn't irrational. That's not to excuse him. Fighting is really the only option, and great victories are born in noble failures.



I want to add (4.00 / 2)
that neoliberalism is itself a concession to power. Sure, there are people who really believe in it, but I also think these people accept the corporate-imperial state as, if not a positive force, then a unchangeable one. Neoliberalism fits those liberalish pols who don't want to fight, because they don't want to lose.

Adolph Reed on Obama in 1996:

In Chicago, for instance, we've gotten a foretaste of the new breed of foundation-hatched black communitarian voices: one of them, a smooth Harvard lawyer with impeccable credentials and vacuous to repressive neoliberal politics, has won a state senate seat on a base mainly in the liberal foundation and development worlds. His fundamentally bootstrap line was softened by a patina of the rhetoric of authentic community, talk about meeting in kitchens, small-scale solutions to social problems, and the predictable elevation of process over program - the point where identity politics converges with old-fashioned middle class reform in favoring form over substances.


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Yes, Of Course (4.00 / 2)
Moves to the right--such as neo-liberalism--are inevitably presented as inevitable.  "There is no alternative" and all that.

Maggie Thatcher said it often enough, and Tony Blair came along and believed her.

Nice clip from Reed, btw.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Whatever Happened To "Win Some, Lose Some"? (4.00 / 4)
I'm in general agreement, except that I don't think the choice had to be so monolithic.  There are a myriad of small battles to be fought, and he's put the default setting on his laser to "sleep."

This is the real tragedy, IMHO.  He didn't even have to have extraordinary courage.  Just enough common sense to realize that winning a number of carefully chosen battles would actually strengthen his hand.  That wouldn't have made him a great president.  But it would have prevented him from what he's turning out to be--a bigger disaster than Clinton by far.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yes, good points (0.00 / 0)
There are a hundred good things to do, some of which he could with impunity, some of which would lead to success.

And of course, perhaps needless to say, by failing to fight at all, he's destined to fail.  


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Speaking of, I love this bit from Chris Floyd (4.00 / 5)
I've never been a starry-eyed idealist. I've never preached the counsel of seeking the perfect at the expense of the good. And I've never believed that any single politician or administration could take office and magically transform the nature of the American empire overnight. I acknowledge the aptness of the metaphor used by many of Obama's defenders: the image of a sea captain, beset by virulent opponents on the bridge, struggling to turn a vast ocean liner in the opposite direction, in the midst of a raging storm. That would indeed take a long time, and tremendous effort, and require stoic patience from the passengers.

But that is not what is happening. The long, hard, thankless effort that it would take to roll back the bloated global empire of bases and curtail the power of the oligarchy (for you can't do one without the other) has not even begun. Obama is not trying to wrest the ship of state toward a new direction; he is deliberately and willingly continuing on the same disastrous, destructive course as before. Every day carries us further and further away from the shore, and makes any effort to reverse course that much harder -- if indeed, it is still possible at all.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/com...


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Of course, he's not alone (4.00 / 3)
the house, for example, could be forcing everyone's hand by passing a bunch of left-leaning initiatives, which would then force a bunch of this stuff into the public discourse.  Instead, they are carefully negotiating everything, and only passing along the things that the Leadership feels has a significant chance of passing.

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Gave up right off the bat (4.00 / 4)
It would have required little courage to keep his 50-state organizing network, but instead he demobilized it immediately. And how difficult would it have been for him to allow single-payer to be on the table? I think inviting a single-payer advocate to present her/his case without endorsing single-payer would have required little courage or effort.

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Geek fail (0.00 / 0)
Paul, I expected more from you.  It isn't "laser to sleep" it is "phaser to stun".

:-)


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Well It WAS A Fail (0.00 / 0)
if you didn't realize I was trying to do a play on words to reverse the sense.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Ah (0.00 / 0)
That makes more sense.  I'm not quite following what the change was attempting, but I had a hard time understanding how you would miss it.  I should have realized.

I'll have more trust next time.


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Nah! (0.00 / 0)
Don't worry about more trust.  Or at best, "trust, but verify."

If it came across muddled to you, then it failed.  And if you don't tell me, then how am I to know?


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Corporate interests are fighting for their lives (4.00 / 1)
Some know this and some don't. If the insurance companies are marginalized in the health care legislation then they are going to lay off like mad. Downsize and close agencies and that worsens the situation. Remember Gore saying in his campaign that we should not squander the excess money available. Well it all got blown up in the middle east didn't it?

Obama is walking a tight rope and I think he knows it. I too think he lacks courage. His father risked, went up high and lost. His grandfather risked and lost period. Those are the two major examples from his childhood.

In his pictures at his first year in college at a community college (not the U of Hawaii or elsewhere) he must have made a big decision to change. In Chicago he risked running in 2000 for the house and lost. Michelle has been very discontented with him for many years. Here she is a Harvard law school graduate married to a real achiever and still ends up being the breadwinner like her matriarchal ancestors before her. No wonder she has permanent frown lines between her eyes. Obama -I think_ has a need to be loved on the order of Clinton. Too bad for us. FDR did not have that need. He had a bitch of a mother who held the purse strings all his life. No wonder he wanted to give social security to everyone. He certainly knew from experience how crucial it is. And he had a lifetime of wheedling money from his mom, all personality traits that stood him in good stead as president.

Bush I was right on his character counts about Clinton in his campaign and Hillary was right about experience in hers.  Although I do think she would have done the same as Obama. I have said many times, Obama does not come from a money and finance family, and that bred in the blood knowledge is what he needs and cannot get. FDR and JFK had it. Bush II also. The silver spoons can be thrown away after one has gotten used to them or used in a creative way. Think Howard Dean.

The Obamas are whiter than most of us here. Very middle class and conscious of those mores. He is not a radical. He is a man who decided to go up the ladder.

In my neon red town_Bush's 20%_most peole criticized him right away for picking the same people as Clinton had and said What change? So even at this level they knew in their gut they had been had, in fact, faster than the liberals did.

Tolerance is the great enemy and we must examine it. Obama is still in its thrall.


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I really like this! (4.00 / 1)
This is good writing and interesting points. Even important points. It feels open ended. Like a paradigm night shift too. I think Paul,is right about Obama's history and placement in the intellectual firmament, mostly at sea. He has outcomes, he has ideas of process, and he tactics. What I am not sure he has, is a distrust of....... who? his friends? the people who have become his friends, his opponents. Does he really think that near insurrection being readied against him is electoral posturing? Does he think that the blood oath hatred of the Kristals, the Limbaugh's and the wingnut'o'spere is merely a way to keep people ready to vote in a few months? A real "waterloo", an plan for "going in the for the kill" of his administration is not just words, they are open about creating these conditions.

They want his ability to govern destroyed. That will not help us. Let me restate some of the criticism raised against Obama this way: govern! see the oppostion AS OPPOSITION! Lead!

His calm exterior had better cover some of the lessons the hard as nails life he witnessed in Indonesia should have taught him.

These people arent kidding, they are playing for keeps.

On you point of

Corporate interests are fighting for their lives -- Some know this and some don't. If the insurance companies are marginalized in the health care legislation then they are going to lay off like mad. Downsize and close agencies and that worsens the situation. Remember Gore saying in his campaign that we should not squander the excess money available. Well it all got blown up in the middle east didn't it?

While we know, that "GM was bailed out" and we know that is was the most successful corporation in the history of the world, at one time. Som,e people forget that the people who owned stock in that company, once the grand poobahs of all things American capitalist, now exactly zero percent of GM. Wiped out. A single payer system, would make the Health Insurance 'industry' a candidate for the ash heap of history just as completely.  There are other companies, in just that situation. In power yes, in control yes, but threatened? The answer is yes.

Thanks again abbeysbooks

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Your reply is a very rare occurrence for me so thanks (0.00 / 0)
from the bottom of my heart.

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obama has the empathy act down pat ... (4.00 / 2)
... he can articulate to the public eloquently why they are feeling the way they are.  The problem is after he gains credibility with the public, behind the scenes he effectuates the policies that led to those feelings.  

As far as why he is the way that he is, no one should be surprised that a 47-year old black man who became president values expediency above all and hence stands for little but his own maniacal quest for power.  Fuck, he's already running his re-election campaign right now with the universal healthcare issue a scant 6 months into his term.  If the bill gets passed now that the house is said to be considering, we will not get universal healthcare until 2013!!!!  Why?  It shouldn't take 4 fucking years to get universal healthcare into effect.  But what it does is put the American voters into the position of voting for obama in 2012 or risk a republican president repealing the bill and having no universal healthcare at all.  All of a sudden he's found an issue that is important to him and his continued lust for power.

the rahmbama team has positioned themselves very nicely with obama's out-of-character aggressive advocacy for this issue for even if it doesn't pass, it looks like obama is fighting so hard for the people.  But behind the scenes is the dlc's master of deceit emanuel is doing his best to keep the insurance companies happy and taking a meaningful public option off of the table.  Remember, the blue dogs didn't start barking until rahm got shouted down after saying that the public option was not a make-or-break issue with the administration.  Then, almost immediately, the blue dogs came out snarling in unison.  

This is rahm's little game ... well, rahm's and obama's little game:  configure the political landscape so that passing any meaningful bills depends upon the support of the blue dogs.  Therefore they have to negotiate with the blue dogs (negotiate with big business interests).  The blue dogs are a dlc dem's best friend.  This is why rahm used his power as head of the dccc to slant the playing field towards  blue dog candidates.  They are an enforcement arm for him and he's trained and rewarded these bastards for their service. The blue dogs give the dems political cover to fuck the american people and keep their big donors happy while they posture that they are truly trying to serve the american people.  

We saw the dynamic duo of deceit's game play out with the stimulus package where blue dog cooper said that he was told by emanuel to vote against the stimulus package that obama proposed and waxed so eloquently about.  Then emanuel went to them to "negotiate" to bring them aboard and the stimulus ended up being loaded with tax cuts for big businesses and gutted of state government money, which has led to a ton of suffering for people in need of state aid.  There was also another documented example of this, it may have been cramdown, I forget ... they fuck the american people so many times you lose track of deceits ... where the blue dogs said that the obama administration sent the word thru the back channels that they didn't want to see this added to a bill.  

And I think it is way past time that folks recognize the lack of logic in believing that obama is both a very smart man and a good man. emanuel is known all around dc as being the dlc's master of deceit that serves big business interests while providing cover for the dems therefore serving party power, personal power and big business interests all at the same time while fucking us.  Well he didn't fall like an asteroid from the sky into the chief of staff position, obama hired him. And emanuel is playing the same deceitful games he always has and he is still serving as chief of staff and still screwing the american people. An accident?  If everybody else knows what rahm is all about, is it possible that the man who was at the head of his class at harvard law school and who was a senator in the same state as rahm was a congressman does not somehow know this bastard's MO?  Is he too dumb to realize that rahm continually works against the american people's interests even as he does it practically underneath obama's nose undermining the policies that he waxes so eloquently about to the American public?  I don't think that that is possible.  

obama has also kept very little of his campaign promises ... hence he lied to us ... and has kept in place, and in some instances expanded the power abuses of the bush administration.  He won't go after a bunch of war criminals that have murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people; instead he protects them and tells us that we need to move on and not get caught up in the past.  He has empowered the criminals on wall street that have looted the world's economy and have indirectly caused deaths.  He has not done damn near anything to reign in the pay packages of the wall street criminals, therefore leaving them free to loot us with our own fucking wealth that was seized off of us by their government.  It's hardly a coincidence IMO that wall street was a huge donor to obama.  They have definitely gotten their money's worth as the appointments of well-known wall street whores summers and geithner attest to.  

And yet almost everyone thinks he is a great guy, a little overly pragmatic perhaps, but a real good person nonetheless. And meanwhile he is currently leveraging many innocent people's lives and health so that any universal healthcare will be dependent upon his re-election.  Thousands of people would die needlessly so that he can get re-elected if this bill is passed that the house of whores wrote ... the same house of whores that emanuel has so much influence on.  These are not the actions of a decent man.  

Why does the 83-dimensional chess player's games always end up with the corporate interests getting their checkmate?  (Maybe we are the ones on the other end of that 83-dimensional chess game).  Why does obama constantly say one thing and do the exact opposite?  Well, maybe ... just maybe ... the pope of hope is a deceitful piece of garbage, and a very intelligent one at that, who is not a good person at all despite his misleading oratories.  This possibility hasn't been considered as seriously as it should by our celebrity-worshiping populace.  

Z
   


Nice bit of racism, there (0.00 / 0)
no one should be surprised that a 47-year old black man who became president values expediency above all and hence stands for little but his own maniacal quest for power

I guess what you're trying to say is that our society is so racist that if young (or at least no "old") Black people manage to attain a high level of success it surely must be attributed to a "maniacal quest for power". Nice.

Black people do indeed have to do a tightrope dance that's not required of Whites, and this goes for all of us (Black people), not just those seeking or accepting high offices. To say that that means a wholesale sellout of one's integrity is not only insulting, it shows how little you understand, even if you yourself are Black, too.


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You can try to twist things around as much as you want ... (0.00 / 0)
... but you are the one that is throwing the unnecessary racial element into this discussion by implying that BECOZ he is black he therefore must have a "maniacal quest for power" to be successful.  I never wrote that, I was only focusing on the fact that one needs that to become president ... and in our current political system it doesn't matter if he is white or black.    

The fact of the matter is is that he is our first black president.  He was a major underdog.  Many thought that this country wasn't ready to elect a black president. Unfortunately, you don't get that far that quickly and overcome those odds if you don't continually compromise to move up.  He values expediency and compromise over any other principles, except his desire to have power, in order to get to his position.  That was the point I was making.

That pretty picture of obama as the community organizer/activist that many of you have floating in your heads was many, many compromises ago.  He is no longer the same person.  That ought to be obvious by his actions that almost always, if not always, benefit his big monied contributors over the very people that so many fools seem to think that he still has ties to.  

And pointing that out shouldn't bring about accusations of racism if one is rational.  Just like the Gates' situation is a lot larger issue about authoritarian police conduct in general rather than just the narrow racial issue that so many small minded people want to pigeon hole it into.

Z


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rewrite (0.00 / 0)
... but you are the one that is throwing the unnecessary racial element into this discussion by implying that I MEANT THAT BECOZ he is black he therefore must have a "maniacal quest for power" to be successful.

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You are the one who said 47 year od black man (0.00 / 0)
not simply "47 year old man". You brought race into it, not me.

And just because I'm quibbling with you over that, don't patronize me and lump me in with starry eyed, uncritical Obama fans.


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I Don't Think It Was Racist In Intent (0.00 / 0)
I think this was a comment about the situation of a person who's part of an historically ostracized group--racial, ethnic, religious, it applies to all of them--and the way that many adapt to try to succeed.

I do think it was poorly expressed, and you were right to point this out.

But I don't think there was any bad intent.

We should be about fighting the problem, not each other.  And by raising awareness, and calling attention, you have fought the problem in this instance.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I agree (4.00 / 1)
I was upset with the slipshod way it was said because I felt it plays into real racists' ( and unconscious racists') hands. I could have titled my comment differently.  

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If you are not one of those starry -eyed obama followers ... (0.00 / 0)
... then I was wrong to lump you in with them.  However, I think you were wrong to lump me in with people that are racist.  I don't think my words ... and I know they weren't intended to ... justify that charge.

Anyway, I probably should have been bit clearer on my point, but I don't have time to edit everything that I write on discussion boards for pin-point clarity.  It's probably good that we had this exchange so that my point is clearer.  

Z


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White people after the same thing compromise themselves too just as much (0.00 / 0)
It is just that much more difficult for a black man to attain what Obama has attained.

And yes I do think we are that racist. Overtly and covertly.


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Obama's a sell-out, however you want to phrase or explain it (4.00 / 1)
I love Paul's erudition and multi-dimensional analyses.

But anyone with any moral fiber has to be outraged at the extent of the suffering and unnecessary deaths caused by the private health care industry and its political allies.

Politicians and presidents who continue to allow them to dominate health care in America and send people to early graves are as reprehensible as they are.

The American people are watching these thugs stab them in the back yet again as they back up the profits of health care privateers while screwing the American people who voted for them.

What I think we should do is to call for a march on Washington, D.C. on the part of every one of the 50,000,000 uninsured Americans and every American who is in solidarity with them.

They should bring tents and food rations so they can camp out on the mall between the capitol and the White House. They should bring thousands of megaphones and camcorders so that the stories they tell can be heard throughout the district, the country and the world.

With 50 million uninsured people camped out in the nation's capital, plus another 10 million sympathisers, I think our influence peddling legislators and cowardly president will get the message that they cannot continue business as usual.


Indeed (0.00 / 0)


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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In arguments about health care over the past days... (0.00 / 0)
I have hearkened back to Truman, who took on conservative Democrats to integrate the armed forces.  Truman, for his faults, was not afraid to fight for principles.  I have yet to see Obama do this once.

I agree, he is a sell out who manipulated people who were motivated by hope and change.  He blasted cynicism while practicing it blatantly.  If he were anything like a Truman, prepared to lose to do what he believed was right, he would be creating a wave for single payer.  


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Amen. He is much too tolerant and wishful for (0.00 / 0)
let's get together and talk this over peacefully. The opposition is out to destroy him so they won't have to kill him. He is in a life and death struggle and doesn't know it.

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Song of the South (4.00 / 3)
I re-watched a good portion of Disney's Song of the South on youtube a year or so ago and was shocked to the degree it was trying not to be racist, while simultaneously being one of the most racist things I've seen.  The actual plot includes the friendship between a black boy and a white boy.  When the white boy is told the black boy can't come to his birthday party (if I remember correctly) we all feel sympathy for how wrong that is.  It is almost like they were trying to make an anti-racism movie.

Yet, the whole movie assumes to its very core that blacks are inferior to whites.  The plot doesn't make the damnedest difference given that world view.

I think Obama's liberalism is like that.  He thinks of himself as liberal -- and in many ways, really is -- but has so many assumptions of Reagan era politics and policy buried deep into his world view that at times it doesn't matter.


That's It Exactly (4.00 / 3)
If you accept the world without questioning it, then all your good intentions will only end up making the cage more comfortable for those condemned to live in it.

At best.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Obama is playing within the confines (0.00 / 0)
of the two party system. Is "bipartisanship" even an issue in a viable multi-party system? All these internal cliques - Blue Dogs, Bush Dogs, Gang of 12, Progressives - would do much better, for themselves, their agendas, and the nation, if these were instead negotiations to form coalitions within the governments (local to national). If for no other reason than bringing the negotiations into the public realm in a way that would better facilitate individual citizens making substantive political choices that are more in tune with their own consciences and awareness.

I think Paul has made a very good case for a multi-party system, though I don't expect him to draw that conclusion.

The thread approached the issue when the talk of Parliaments arose. The mistake made in those analyses however was to judge the potential of an American parliament on the bases of European parliaments. While I understand the need to use available historical models, I also think that the influence of the American checks and balances, 4 branch system, we use might change the outcomes to some extent.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Obama has made personal existential decisions to pull himself up and go for it (0.00 / 0)
so he does think in personal and existential terms. Getting from first year at a community college to Harvard Law took some doing and personal change big time. And writing his books honestly took the wind out of any early critiques about his behavior. Werner Erhard of EST taught that: tell the truth and then they can't use it against you.

So he sat up late and wrote his books and made money, they paid off their student loans and Michelle didn't have so many money worries.

And he got himself into a clique in Chicago made of up and coming blacks, by dating the leader's little sister, then he married her.

Sounds very pragmatic to me.


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Hell (4.00 / 1)
The guy avoided even calling himself a Democrat for most of the campaign, up until the very end. He's not a liberal.

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Obama refused to fall out of love with his electoral strategy (4.00 / 3)
The "post-partisan" bullshit was brilliant.  It allowed him to leap-frog over Hillary Clinton--the ultimate partisan symbol--and then to win a general election in which even Dennis Kucinich might been competitive. (The Democratic nomination was the whole ball game.)

In January, Obama should have begun pivoting to a more confrontational approach.  At that time, the media would have provided him with plenty of cover.  Now--not so much.

It's troubling that Obama might have believed he could work with Republicans. (Where has he been?) He should have been trying to redefine "the center" while the media was still in stenography mode.


I agree except with the part about (0.00 / 0)
the media would have provided him excellent cover. The rethugs would have been screaming like stuck pigs, (hell, they were even with Obama bending over backwards to accommodate them), and the media would have been wall-to-wall about how Obama was not keeping his "bipartisan" campaign promises.

Even at the very beginning of his term, it would have taken a lot of conviction and guts for Obama to go against the corporate media and rethuglican forces, but he did have the winds of "mandate", "change", and huge popularity numbers behind him. It's just too bad he doesn't actually believe in "change", but only superficially tweaking the system and having a more civil dialog while it's being done.


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I'm not saying. . . (4.00 / 1)
Obama could have ushered in a progressive paradise, but he might have moved the ball forward. A lot of his current problems have to do with him still having to apologize when he acts partisan.

The media doesn't believe in anything. Had Obama projected more ideological strength, they would have gone along for the ride until something stopped them.


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The Media Would Have Provided Cover (4.00 / 1)
if he'd done it intelligently.  The stimulus provided the perfect opportunity.  There were Republicans at every level of government from school board to city council to county supervisor to state legislature and governor, who needed that money and understood why very, very well, indeed.  They only had to make life too uncomfortable for three GOP Senators--that was all.

But meanwhile Obama could have been bonding with state and local GOP officials, closer to the problems and concerns of everyday Americans than anyone else in DC, totally redefining the meaning of "bipartisan cooperation" that would make immediate sense to the vast majority of the American people.

A wonderful opportunity to execute the political pivot of all time.

And great TV, too.  Great stuff for the media to wallow in.

Opportunity totally wasted.  Totally lost.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yeah, that's a big "if" (4.00 / 1)
The Media Would Have Provided Cover if he'd done it intelligently.

My take on the media not providing cover was base on the Obama we have, not the Obama we wish we had.  


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True, But (0.00 / 0)
my point was that he had an opportunity.  It wasn't like he had no choice. The fault dear Brutus, yadda-yadda-yadda.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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It just drives me crazy - (4.00 / 3)
the people who argue Obama's done all he can possibly do against the incredible forces aligned against him. Not only has he done no such thing, he's repeatedly made moves that reinforce the dominance of the hegemony.  

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And--- it is far from over (0.00 / 0)
Obama has been bitten, both by his off the cuff thinking so recently painful, and by his assumption that he was up against an electoral machine.

This is early yet. This is the valley of lefty despair after all.

Remember not only did the press expect an angry, or weakened pPresident in the last presser, they actually said so, they were more than a little shocked that neither showed up. I will never forget the look on Todd's face as the event ended. It was speechless, with glazed eyes.

The press has been believing their own press about the administration, we could do well to avoid that too.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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So? (4.00 / 1)
Chuck Todd would make a turnip look intelligent.

And a rutabaga?  A friken Einstein!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The "so" is, that despite the flaws (0.00 / 0)
This a terribly intelligent man. Childhood has a lot of influence, makes us, who we are, but I cannot imagine that is not having an effect on him. If he thought the world was the one he found in the University and State government and lawyers offices, then what kind of education is he getting now? And how powerful is this?

I assume you call it "pathological" because anyone as brilliant as he, should have, if not during the primary and election, should have by now realized what ground he was on.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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I think understanding Obama is understanding the real difference between liberalsm and conservatism (0.00 / 0)
Obama's goals aren't primarily policy oriented.

Now Paul frequently makes the argument that Republicans are crazy.  I think though he doesn't really understand why they are crazy.

The answer to that is rather simple.  They are crazy because they were abused as children.  When a conservative looks out on the world they see potential abusers.  When a liberal looks out on the world they see potential helpers.  Because they were helped as children.

Now the rather unusual nature of Obama is that he gets that.  In his grandmother he both saw the person who raised him and helped him so much and also someone who was afraid of black men.  He saw people as both potential abusers and helpers because of that.

Now what does all of this say about Obama?  It says that his primary goal has always been about spiritual healing rather than physical healing.  He doesn't want to fight the oppressors.  He wants to heal them.  

If you look at things from a strictly policy perspective you will never understand Obama because his primary goal has never been a policy goal.  It has been exactly what he was saying all along.  He wants to bring people together.  

If you look at his most recent speech on healthcare you can see a clear example of that.  Obama had no emotional connection at all to his push for healthcare.  His emotional moment was about his friend.  And his actions the next day were to try to bring both people together and to say that he liked and respected both sides.

To sum it up Obama's current problem is that he no longer has an emotional connection to the people who need healthcare.  


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This Is Pretty Jumbled Up, IMHO (0.00 / 0)
You're got some bits in their that I think are pretty insightful, but other bits not so much.

For one thing, I've never said that Republicans are all crazy.  In fact, I've repeatedly argued that there's a big gap between movement conservatives and your unorganized rank and file sort.  I also don't subscribe to single-factor explanations of social phenomena in general.  While I agree that conservative tend to be more fearful and defensive--there's a lot of evidence for this--that doesn't mean they were all abused as children.  There's evidence that this is at least partly innate, determined in the mother's womb, if not in the very chromosomes.

So, in short, everything in your argument that depends on that needs to qualified with an "in part" at least.

I do agree, however, that Obama is pathologically obsessed with making peace with those who are antagonistic, and that this matters more to him than policy does.

Which is why progressives need to be more antagonistic towards him, whether they feel like it or not.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I've never claimed to be good at communicating my opinions (4.00 / 1)
While I agree that conservative tend to be more fearful and defensive--there's a lot of evidence for this--that doesn't mean they were all abused as children.

Abusing children is a fundamental part of the conservative philosophy.  Spare the rod and spoil the child.  

I've not seen any scientific evidence for the innate theory.  Are there twin studies somewhere that show that?

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I think there is more than a touch of truth to this. (0.00 / 0)
There need to be controlled or in control. The need to shame, or be shamed. There were books written that Nixon's life purpose was to be kicked out of the White House.

The German left has all sorts of psycho-sexual theories about the right.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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I'm No Fan Of Corporal Puniishent (0.00 / 0)
But don't overgeneralize.  A willingness to use corporal punishment does not equate to sadism.  Indeed, a willing to use it doesn't even equate to actually using it.

The fact is, a lot fewer parents use corporal punishment nowadays than used to--particularly in Europe.  But the number of conservatives doesn't seem to have declined by a comparable amounts. So, while I have no doubt it's a factor, I think we need to see it as just one factor--because that's what it is.

I make some pretty strong claims about this sort of stuff, but I try to be clear about the limitations, and about the fact that virtually everything we know is probabilistic and subject to multiple causation.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"Obama is pathologically obsessed with making peace with those who are antagonistic" (4.00 / 1)
Being the healer in office is a hugely sexy biblical way to see ones self. But, and it may be wishful thinking, being bitten over and over again by wolverines, makes the sweet dreamy idea of taming them less and palatable with every pint of blood lost.

Hey Obama?! Indonesia!

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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You may be right about some of that, (4.00 / 2)
but if so, he should've been a preacher, or maybe gone into social work. A successful politician has to have a different temperament.

Look at Lincoln, for example. The civil war broke his heart but he fought it anyway. He knew it had to be done.

Montani semper liberi


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Eventually he did. It took far too long for some peoples liking (0.00 / 0)
and it crushed him. The most despairing man ever to hold the office. Some people think of him as unbelievably ugly, but I just see despair carved into his face. How long will Obama take to realize although he must keep the country running to keep it safe, and must keep the economy from faltering more, or worse, again, he isn't just facing a few republicans in the Senate. And if the opposition gets completely crazy, and dont think it couldn't. They lied us into Iraq.


Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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I think you're right about a lot of this (0.00 / 0)
He was my last choice for the nomination because it was completely obvious to me that he didn't really care about health care. I'll never understand why it wasn't obvious to others.


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The simpler case is that Lakoff (4.00 / 1)
was just wrong.  Sorry, I knew that Obama was a conservative democrat, and I told people that repeatedly, and my thesis has worked out a hell of a lot better than Lakoff's.

You yourself refute Lakoff in the very piece where you first say that he's right based on Obama's rhetoric (which, btw, is where I drew my conclusions from).

Why does he do it? The reasons are no doubt multiple and complex.  But one over-riding factor is that he has come of age politically during a period dominated by conservatives waging hegemonic warfare, while progressives have not even woken up to what is happening.  And one result of that is that Obama accepts as given the way that conservatives have framed a great many issues.  Locked into their ideological framework, he then tries to do some warm-and-fuzzy things within the confines of that framework.  But their framework necessarily limits those warm-and-fuzzy things to mere gestures at best, if not deceptive packaging for genuinely evil policies.

Obama accepts Conservative frames.  If you accept conservative frames, you are a conservative.


I think it all boils down to (0.00 / 0)
which is ground, and which is foreground? Is Obama a liberal working within conservative frames, or a conservative using liberal rhetoric? My theory is the latter, but I understand why some believe the former.

Montani semper liberi

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Boxes Within Boxes (0.00 / 0)
Obama is a liberal working within conservative frames, advancing mostly conservative policies using liberal rhetoric.

But here's the twist: he actually believes the rhetoric.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I Think It's More Useful To Be More Nuanced (0.00 / 0)
Because it better reflects reality.

Neoliberals are conservative in one sense, liberal in another.  If you only understand one aspect, you really don't fully understand them.  The same applies here.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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My ears were burning (4.00 / 1)
Perhaps I'm flattering myself, but I imagined I might be among the "some" you had in mind, who have criticized Lakoff's position on Obama.

In any case, I'd like to break my silence here at least this once, to comment on a few details.

First of all, you allow that Lakoff sees in Obama an intuitive grasp of framing.

Obama and his handlers did a magnificent job of framing him as something special. But if one imagines that Obama at some level wants a more-progressive America and a vigorously progressive Democratic Party, he could not have failed worse in his campaign framing. He took what was beyond a doubt a "change year" and made every effort to tamp down people's rage at the Republicans, with that glib, false, and progressive-disempowering bipartisanship rhetoric. How most progressive bloggers and activists failed to make an issue out of that remains a truly remarkable, virtually unexamined story.

There is, of course, the "hey, he won didn't he?" argument. (No matter, also of course, that with the wind briskly at his back -- a public AND media dying to turn the page from the Bush years, plus a weak Republican ticket -- Framemaster Obama still allowed McCain-Palin to pull even in the polls, until the Wall Street meltdown sealed the deal.)

All's well that ends well, if getting Barack Obama elected was the end goal. And, if I may cite the Bard again, there's the rub.

There simply was no progressive agenda behind Obama's candidacy. It was obvious at the time, and it's more obvious now.

Lakoff's assessment was, then, a FAIL... unless he thinks the election's the thing, and not the policy Obama's fans wanted to believe, with the barest of evidence (and much counter-evidence), he'd stand behind.

So, I'm not sure where you get this observation: "Obama's rhetoric fails to match up with his actions."

Specific policy sell-outs notwithstanding, and to be fair there are some striking examples, Obama's rhetoric was never fundamentally progressive.

Obama's rhetoric was and is fundamentally status quo -- blandly pacifying, a recycling of Bill Clinton's triangulation at a time that demanded and offered the opportunity for real change.

The fault, ultimately, is not with our President, it's with our "progressive" stars who refused to hold his feet to the fire the way the GOP base does with its candidates. We hired -- for the role of progressive President -- a guy who simply isn't a progressive, who simply doesn't like liberals. And "we" shunned anyone who thought that was a topic worth discussing.

What we (should have) see(n) is what we got. Just like falling in line for any "Public Option" Obama and Congress might feel like offering. Just like not ripping Obama a new one for whipping for TARP, setting the stage for trillions more to go into the money pit after it.

Oh, well.


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