Are There Two Sets Of Rules?

by: DaveJ

Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 15:00


A rant:

Have we developed into a country that has one set of rules for the people at the top of the ladder and another for the rest of us?  Or perhaps a special set of rules for Republicans and their cronies - IOKIYAR - and a completely different set of rules for Democrats?

I think the original model for "special set of rules" was Richard Nixon.  When Nixon was pardoned the whole country learned that you can get away with things if you have enough power.  You had to be there.  It wasn't just about "Watergate," it was about corrupting the entire system, breaking every rule, taking every bribe, starting illegal wars, spying on and using the power of government against your political opponents -- you name it the country by then knew that the Nixon administration had done it.

And then a few years later, Nixon explained, ""When the President does it, that means it is not illegal."

Sounds like an overall model for the Bush administration.

OK, that was a funny line, but think about it. If Nixon had not been pardoned, would the corruption of the Reagan administration have occurred?

"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations.  In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."
- Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years, by Haynes Johnson

I found a good list here.

As I said above, you had to be there.  These were not political prosecutions - Democrats just don't do that - these were the ones who were so bad that it just could not be ignored.  (One example: the Secretary of something was prosecuted for mob activities, and found not guilty after witnesses were murdered before they could testify.  Not that they were connected or anything.)

After Reagan was caught going around Congress' express instructions and sending arms to Iran the investigation was blocked and the perpetrators let loose.  The crimes were investigated by Iran/Contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh who was blocked at every turn:

"Walsh recognized that many of the appeals judges held a "continuing political allegiance" to the conservative Federalist Society, an organization dedicated to purging liberalism from the federal courts.

"It reminded me of the communist front groups of the 1940s and 1950s, whose members were committed to the communist cause and subject to communist direction but were not card-carrying members of the Communist Party," Walsh wrote."

Walsh's investigation ended when Bush I pardoned all the potential witnesses against him.

So just as the corruption of Nixon set the stage for the corruption of Reagan/Bush, Reagan/Bush getting away with the most serious - and public - abuses of the Constitution and democracy set the stage for the political witch hunts against Clinton.  And it all set the stage for the Bush administration.

So far the Bush administration is clean off the hook for pretty much everything they did.  What does that tell us about what the next Republican administration will be like?

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DaveJ :: Are There Two Sets Of Rules?
After Reagan/Bush at least there was a (brief) discussion of the need to investigate and perhaps prosecute in order to keep abuses from occurring in the future.

But no, Democrats felt that it would be divisive to look any further into the crimes that had been committed under Reagan and Bush.

Take that back - there was one case where something a Republican had done was investigated.  During the Clinton/Bush campaign the Republicans spread a rumor that Clinton was a communist agent who had "gone to Moscow" as a young man, supposedly to get his instructions.  (Sound familiar?)  Someone in the bush administration illegally accessed Clinton's passport records and there was enough noise about it that a special prosecutor was appointed to look into it.  That prosecutor was conservative movement activist Joseph E. diGenova, appointed by conservative movement activist Judge David B. Sentelle (one of the judges Walsh complained about). The conclusion of the investigation was that even thought it was found that the records had been accessed, diGenova,

"apologized "on behalf of the United States government" to former presidential assistant Janet G. Mullins, the only named target of the investigation, and to others he said had been "unjustly accused" of wrongdoing."

Yes, this is the same conservative movement activist Joseph E. diGenova who you frequently see on Fox News and other shows.   (P.S.one of the culprits was immediately hired by the Republicans in the Senate.)

Then along came President Clinton.  The Bush people had been let off the hook, and they took full advantage of their freedom.  Clinton and everyone in his administration, his friends, even people he hadn't seen for decades were investigated, hounded, jailed, impoverished and persecuted.  People were investigated for anything they might have done - ever - that might be able to be prosecuted.  Far-right conservative movement Federalist Society activists were appointed to be prosecutor by ... Federalist Society judges including Judge David B. Sentelle.  (Another of the three judge panel who appointed the conservative movement activists as prosecutors was Laurence Silberman, who had previously met with Iranians in 1980 supposedly to discuss holding the hostages until after the election.) Few Democrats had Clinton's back and tried to put a stop to it.  There were no filibusters, etc.

If you want to know about the difference between what can happen to you if you are a Democrats and if you are a Republican, please look up the case of Susan McDougal.  She spent 22 months incarcerated, often in solitary confinement, because she wouldn't say that Clinton had done something wrong in the Whitewater case.  No Democrats stepped in to help her.

And, by the way, no one in the Clinton administration was found to have done anything wrong.  No one.  Anything.  (Except one guy, who was only investigated in the first place because they were trying him to get to speak out against Clinton, was found to have overbilled clients years before he was in the administration.)  Compare this to the record of 138 from the Reagan administration.

Again, if you are investigating the difference between treatment of Dems and Republicans you can ask Don Siegleman.  The Obama Justice Department seems so ready to drop cases against Republicans, but not Don Siegleman.  Why not?

OK, I am going on and on.  I started doing some research and it led me to more, and I started remembering what was done to Clinton and the partisans who were appointed, and the partisans who appointed them...  I did start by warning you this is a rant.  

Here is my point:  Republicans not only prosecute Democrats freely, often with no reason, they hound them.  They use every bit of government power against them.  And Democrats largely let them get away with it.  So they do it again. And they do it to the very Democrats who won't stop them.  All the public knows is that Democrats are under investigation, and the Republicans can then run for office promising "to restore honor and integrity."

What About Bush?

So far we are simply letting Bush and his cronies get away with every single thing they did.  We just went through eight years of corporate corruption on a mass scale, illegal war, torture, wiretapping Americans, total abuse of power, political prosecutions -- everything Nixon did, and everything Reagan did, and more.

So far we are not investigating to see what can be done to prevent this all from happening again.  we are not holding anyone accountable.  We are just ignoring mass violations of law, and the public knows it.  We are not taking any steps to prevent future abuses of power.  We are letting the Bush administration become the role model for the next Republican administration, just as Reagan/Bush was a role model for Bush II, and Nixon was a role model for Reagan.

We are not making the statement that this country does not allow its leaders to get away with this kind of abuse of the law and democracy.

Why not?


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It used to be a different set of rules.... (4.00 / 3)
for Republicans versus Democrats.

Now it's a different set of rules for Republicans AND Democrats versus The Rest of Us.  I don't think this is sinking in with DC Dems but they could be in for a rude awakening in 2010 and again in 2012.

If anyone knows of any viable third party forming in the wings, please, speak up!  (If Ralph Nader runs again against Obama and his motley crew, he's got my vote...and I still blame Nader for Bush...that's how desperate I am).


Talking about 3rd parties (4.00 / 1)
Talking about 3rd parties fundamentally misunderstands OUR responsibilities in getting bad Dems out and good ones in.


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3rd parties (4.00 / 3)
Only loyalists to the party have that responsibility - what about the rest of us that are loosely affiliated because Dems are the only alternative?  I find it nearly impossible to support them on their own merits - they can't wage political warfare, they cower before their equals on the right, they fail to seize obvious opportunities, and they're all too willing to capitulate and cede ground, even when unnecessary.  And all this is on the back of 2 blowout elections!  When will conditions ever be more favorable for getting better (aka more progressive) people than they are right now?

Personally I think the conventional wisdom that a progressive 3rd party would guarantee GOP victory by splitting the liberal vote is precisely why Democrats feel they can be the Republican Lite party without fear of repercussion.


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So why (4.00 / 1)
So why then would the same people moving over to another party somehow magically do things differently?

I think you are misusing the word "they."  Democrats are not a "they."  If you show up at meetings and vote it makes the same difference that showing up at meetings of another party would.

The Democratic coalition was always supposed to be labor, environment, civil rights, etc.  Nader broke that coalition, got Bush elected, and costs hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and possibly made it too late to stop global warming.

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: dcjohnson


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Excellent post (4.00 / 1)
sullied by this utter nonsense.

Democrats(the DLC / conservadems) were the ones who weakened the coalition.  Why did they push NAFTA, welfare reform, repressive immigration policy, repressive death penalty / terrorism policy?  Think that had any impact on the coalition?

To put the blame for what the US does on one person, any one person, is ridiculous.  To suggest that Democrats, Republicans, the media and nonvoters have no responsibility for what happened during the Bush Admin (because 'Nader did it') is the ultimate cop out.

Democrats, as you point out, failed to push (enough) for accountability for Reagan and Bush I. They failed to fight back during the Clinton years. And, they showed the same lack of spine during the Bush II years and even now.  

I don't believe that third parties (at least at the national level) will have much of a positive impact.  But if we want to encourage people to get in the big tent, pointing fingers at those people while failing to acknowledge the role played by those in the tent, is counterproductive.


Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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There's that 'they' again (4.00 / 1)
There's that "they" again.  SOME Democrats did bad things.  Not ALL Democrats.  There is no such thing as "the Democrats" in this context.

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: dcjohnson


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Right. Some - which is what I said - (4.00 / 1)
"the DLC / conservadems."  

But I don't agree that we must avoid speaking of the Dems as a party. To say "the Mets failed to show up in that last game" is not to say "every single member of the Mets failed to show up." We can judge the Democratic Party as a collective, even while acknowledging that any such claims don't apply as a matter of course to every member of that party. There is no way for American democracy to function properly - that is, allow for the people to hold their government accountable, or for the grassroots of the party to hold their party accountable, if we can't talk about collective performances.

Also, if SOME Democrats did something, than that thing was not done solely by someone else.  


Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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What's your problem? (0.00 / 0)
Democrats are no longer "Us."  They are Republicans masquerading as Democrats.  THEY are part of the problem.  WE must replace them - and if we can't do it with actual Democrats, we HAVE to look to other political parties.  Wake up and smell the pollution you're spewing.  It's open hostility and contempt for those who dare vote their beliefs, as you have displayed, that has us turn away.  If you want us to vote for Democrats, make the case or leave us alone.  We are under no obligation whatsoever to throw away our votes on politicians who never, NEVER represent us.



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why indeed (0.00 / 0)
Why would we form a progressive 3rd party and then invite the people who are screwing us right now?  The whole point of a split is to leave the DINOs behind to suffer the consequences of their deliberately calculated actions.  A new party wouldn't be the same people, at least not in critical leadership positions.

I think your understandable dislike of Nader is coloring your opinion of any internal opposition to the Democrats.  Nader went about it in the worst possible way, but his motivation is shared by quite a few of us out here who are convinced the Dems are incapable of adequately representing us in our lifetimes.


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Two things. (0.00 / 0)
1.) Good finally waking up to the need for a viable third party.  I suggest, if you genuinely are progressive, looking up the Progressive Party and inquiring about starting or joining a chapter in your area.  After doing some research, I've seen that they get results, building up from local and progressing to state-wide offices.

2.) Nader is not not nor has he ever been responsible for the shrub.  Get that through your head.



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Yes (0.00 / 0)
But the real problem, as you note, is that there is no Democrat with spine who gets any media notice. Probably they're human. But some number of Democrats are just spineless and would rather not pick a fight and lose the support of corporations that got them into office.

No opposition = no prosecutions.


There are plenty (0.00 / 0)
There are plenty.  But a Dem can give a press conference and no one will cover it but blogs.

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A rant indeed... (4.00 / 1)
I should think that it is pretty obvious by now why we are sending the message. You mentioned it yourself-the majority of the people representing us are corrupt and spineless, or "bad dems" and we need to get them out. The issue I guess is what is the lesser of the two evils? "Bad dems" or no dems?

In a perfect world we wouldn't have to choose and I don't like it, but there you have it. I have to admit that a speck of hopelessness has creeped in in the past month as I watch the floundering and train-wreck happening in DC.  


Oh and... (0.00 / 0)
I want to add that I think things have moved beyond "Republican vs. Democrat." As another poster mentioned it is more a "Corrupted Congress vs. We, the People." In speaking to friends and colleagues, I have found that never have I heard and seen more willingness and awareness of Republicans to admit changes must be made, and I feel as though we are all after the same goal at this point, (Real-world people, I mean) regardless of party. The "This party is BAD!" arguments accomplish little.

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Yes there are 2 sets of rules, indeed (0.00 / 0)
Of course there are two sets of rules for the elites vs the rest. Which makes me think that eventually scores will be evened or settled, though not immediately.

What we should push for is explicitness in law-making in this respect.

For example, we should have single-payer health care in this country -- except for the rich, who would be barred from access to or use of the program. They're free to fly off to another country, or buy their own private doctors, like Michael J, to follow them around.

Another example: they should be denied access to our public-paid highways. Tell them to go build some tollroads of their own.

They have already disdained public education. Now let's officially bar them from access to any educational institutions, including state universities, that we, not they, have paid for.

Et cetera.


Simple answers to simple questions (0.00 / 0)
Yes.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

Started with Nixon? (4.00 / 1)
Why do you think they let Napoleon live?  Why does society think assassinating a ruler is much worse than killing hundreds of thousands in war?

This is nothing new.  It has always been that way.


In the Civil War (0.00 / 0)
if you were drafted you could BUY a replacement to take your place on the battlefield.

There has always been two sets of rules, and unless the better angels of our nature suddenly and unexpectedly become far more prominent, there always will be.  


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There aren't two... (0.00 / 0)
There are a lot of sets of rules in this country, all of them overlapping, multiple ones apply to the same person...it's really messy.

As for why Republicans get to investigate Democrats with impunity, while the reverse would be "divisive" and is never done?  I honestly have no idea.  Why do the Birthers get media attention when nobody even thinks about mentioning the theories of a comparatively crazy left-winger?  Why does the media suck so much in general?  These things I don't know.

This I do know: investigating the Bush Administration would give the Democrats bad press for a while and increase their chances of losing their next election, so the leadership won't do it.  Sure, it might very well increase their chances of winning the next four elections after that dramatically, but nobody serious ever thinks that far ahead.


Are there two sets of rules? (4.00 / 1)
Yes. At least.

One for my friends and benefactors and one for everyone else. Has it ever been different among humans?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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