Breaking Into Laughter

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 12:57


According to the Washington Post, the Democratic leadership considers the Progressive Caucus more likely to fold on health care than the Blue Dogs. Emphasis mine:

But the rebellion from fiscal conservatives on the Energy and Commerce Committee last week served as a political wake-up call for Democratic leaders. With enough votes on the panel and on the floor to sink reform legislation, the Blue Dog Coalition forced Pelosi and Emanuel into concessions that made the government plan similar to private health insurance, sparking a new fight with House liberals.

Sensing that the Blue Dogs had dug in for a prolonged fight, Pelosi and Emanuel gave in to most demands in order to get the legislation moving again. They essentially decided that it was better to pick a fight with their liberal flank, where Pelosi remains popular and where loyalty to Obama is strongest, particularly in the Congressional Black Caucus.

Despite threats from almost 60 progressive House Democrats -- who outnumber the Blue Dogs -- Pelosi defended the compromise, saying it was similar to one backed by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.). Pelosi predicted that the liberal wing would fall in line because the legislation is so important to them.

"Are you asking me, 'Are the progressives going to take down universal, quality, affordable health care for all Americans?' I don't think so," Pelosi told reporters Friday, breaking into laughter at the question.

I am dubious about this quote, since it apparently took place in front of a group of reporters three days ago but it hasn't appeared anywhere except a Washington Post story today. It is also contradicts what Pelosi has previously reiterated, on multiple occasions: that there are not enough votes in the House to pass health care reform without a public option.

Still, experience suggests that Progressives are more likely to fold than Blue Dogs, or at least that the leadership would consider that to be the case. As such, it remains worrying.

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Well, I'm fairly certain (4.00 / 2)
that the progressives, rather than the BDs, will be asked to fold. Yes, it's fluid, and yes, you never know, but we all can see it coming from a hundred miles away, can't we? The bill comes out conference without a PO, and most House progressives, pressured by the WH, vote for it. House progressives aren't going to kill a bill said to provide universal health care.

Which is why we always lose. (0.00 / 0)
But if that is the end game, why fight for Obama's plan?
They can sell out without my efforts.



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yeah, and this is the basic problem with the 'progressive (0.00 / 0)
block.'  even when all the conditions are right, progressive congresspeople (along with most of us, their allies), won't actually be willing to vote against a watered down bill.  

seems to me that the best chance of avoiding this eventuality is for reconciliation to be used in the senate.  short of that, house progressives are going to be asked to swallow a whole lot of shit.  


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even if we end up using reconciliation (0.00 / 0)
in the Senate, the eventual bill will be weak--much weaker than it needs to be to get a majority vote.

Pathetic.

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I agree with Pelosi (0.00 / 0)
The idea that the left wing of the Democratic Party will not give in and "go along to get along" is laughable.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Well in the end (0.00 / 0)
where are they going to go? The Blue Dogs can become Republicans, the Progressives can become? what? a more powerless minority?


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That's the rub, eh? (0.00 / 0)


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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This explains why moderate Republicans (0.00 / 0)
wield so much power as well?  Or perhaps there is something else to it.

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But they did wield a lot of power (0.00 / 0)
they became Democrats and took their majority away

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They wielded very little power (0.00 / 0)
before leaving the party - I don't think anyone every treated Specter as a Republican the same way Nelson or Bayh are treated.  

The power of a threat depends on how you respond - the Democrats fear loosing the worse members of the party, while the Republicans chase out their moderate members.  

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Progressives are more likely to fold (4.00 / 1)
That seems obvious to me.

They won't be asked to vote for a bill without a public option--they will be asked to vote for a bill with a fake public option. The real-world outcome will be almost the same as if there were no public option, but Pelosi can claim she didn't break her promise.

Passing a convoluted, expensive plan that won't fix the problems will be a political disaster for Democrats, but don't expect our current "leaders" to take the long view here.

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Shailagh Murray and Paul Kane (0.00 / 0)
consider the byline, Atrios refers to Murray as the devil.

Maybe if we keep bombarding congressional, senate, and White House email systems with "No health care bill is better than a bad bill" we will get through.

it is worth a try.

Also No bail out for insurance companies might be a way to counter a bill that has mandates but no public option.


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