The Political Broadcast Spectrum

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 11:30


On August 1, Paul Krugman wrote:

Scaling Michelle Malkin

When I saw that Michelle Malkin will be on the Stephanopoulos panel this week, my first thought was that nobody as far to the left as she is to the right would ever appear on such a panel. But then I started to wonder (a) what I mean by that (b) if it's true.

I don't want to be like Bill O'Reilly, who considers anyone he disagrees with a "far-left" activist. So we need some objective metric. The most natural would seem to be voter opinion: what fraction of the American public is to Malkin's right? Would somebody with an equally small number of people to his or her left get on a Sunday morning panel?

Krugman went on to specify even more stringently:

The trouble, of course, is how to measure that. In principle, it shouldn't be hard. What I'd like to have is a Guttman scale of positions on political matters, such that almost everyone who gave the "liberal" answer to question 7 also gave liberal answers to questions 1-6, while almost everyone who gave the conservative answer to question 7 also gave conservative answers to questions 8-13.

In fact, a Guttman scale is pretty much impossible, even if you're going to define ideology so narrowly that it misses much of what you want to capture.  There are multiple reasons why this can't be done.  First off, a lot of people have only the foggiest notion of ideology, and their policy positions are a complete mish-mash.  (Demanding that the government keep its hands off Medicare is just the tip of a very large iceberg.) Second, there really is a significant diversion between economic liberalism in a New Deal sense and social liberalism, in a feminist, pro-gay, pro-diversity sense.  Third, even within more narrow issue scales people often don't line up in Guttman scale order.

In short, the concept of "ideology" in American politics is inherently too fuzzy to fulfill Krugman's desire for a Guttman scale.  But that hardly means we can't do better than Bill O'Reilly.  We just have to accept the fact that we're measuring something messy.  But we can still make some headway.  A couple of posts at The Monkey Cage tried to respond to Krugman, and I'd like to use one of them as a good jumping-off point for talking about some of the complexities involved.

John Sides came up with the following chart as a "lazy bloggers" solution:

It uses three questions from 2008 American National Election Study, which are economically ideological in nature.  Unfortunately, there's a very old finding of public opinion research that tells us this picture is incomplete....  (More charts on the flip.)

Paul Rosenberg :: The Political Broadcast Spectrum
Ideology vs. Pragmatic Spending Priorities

In 1964, Gallup conducted an extensive poll designed by political analysts Lloyd Free and Hadley Cantril, the results of which they published three years later in The Political Beliefs of Americans: A Study of Public Opinion. One of their most basic findings was that they could identify three different political spectra.  One was based on simple self-identification.  The second was based on what they considered ideological questions, mostly having to do with the role of the federal government and individual initiative. The third was what they called an "operational" spectrum, which asked about support for specific government programs or activities.

They discovered that a large number of ideological moderates--and even a clear plurality of ideological conservatives--qualified as ideological liberals:

Although the the questions Sides selected are not the same as the ones that Free and Cantril asked, they are more similar to them than they are to the sorts of specific operational questions which formed the basis of the operational spectrum.  Here's Free and Cantril:

Ideological Spectrum (Statements presented with respondents asked to agree or disagree):
  1. The Federal Government is interfering too much in state and local matters.
  2. The government has gone too far in regulating business and interfering with the free enterprise system.
  3. Social problems here in this country could be solved more effectively if the government would only keep its hands off and let people in local communities handle their own problems in their own ways.
  4. Generally speaking, any able-bodied person who really wants to work in this country can find a job and earn a living.
  5. We should rely more in individual initiative and ability and not so much on governmental welfare programs.

And here's the questisons Sides drew on from the ANES:

  • "Some people feel that the government in Washington should see to it that every person has a job and a good standard of living...Others think the government should just let each person get ahead on his/her own.  Where would you place yourself on this scale, or haven't you thought much about this?"

  • "Some people think the government should provide fewer services, even in areas such as health and education, in order to reduce spending.  Other people feel that it is important for the government to provide many more services even if it means an increase in spending. Where would you place yourself on this scale, or haven't you thought much about this?"

  • "Some people feel there should be a government insurance plan which would cover all medical and hospital expenses for everyone.  Others feel that medical expenses should be paid by individuals, and through private insurance plans like Blue Cross other company paid plans.  Where would you place yourself on this scale, or haven't you thought much about this?"

Proof that these questions are relatively similar in measuring an ideological spectrum comes from comparing the basically symmetrical curve that Sides comes up with against the following curve that measures net support for seven national spending items--including the vastly unpopular category of "welfare", which is far more unpopular than the more generic question of spending money on the poor:


In addition to welfare, the questions asked about support for spending on the nations health, environment, education, social security and the  problems of the big cities, and blacks blacks.  Thus, three of the items concern spending on groups strongly identified with the Democratic Party, and frequently demonized by the right, while four are less subject to ideological attack.

Here's a table of the underlying data, with cumulative totals that make it possible to quickly compare left and right in terms of how many people are more extreme than any given position:

Thus, anyone who favors cutting two or more spending programs is in the company of 6.3% of the population--just slightly more than the 5.5% who favor increasing all 7.  Anyone in favor of cutting one or more programs is in the company of just 10.8% of the public--less than the 13.8% who favor increased spending on 6 programs net.

These are not people who favor cutting welfare, since cutting one program and increasing six others would leave one measured as increasing five programs net.

I don't know about Michelle Malkin, but Grover Norquist is out there with 0.3% of the public, less than 1/10 of the number who support increasing spending on all seven programs.  I'd say that's pretty extreme.

Beyond Spending Priorities: Abortion

Another dimension of ideology is captured by positions on abortion.  In fact, the General Social Survey asks seven questions that break down neatly into to two subscales, one (AbThreat) dealing with abortion under some threat of harm--to the life or health of the number, with a risk of serious birth defect, or as a result of rape--and another (AbAutonomy) dealing with abortion in the context of choosing to control one's life--if a woman is not married, if she poor and can't afford more children, if she's married, but wants no more children, or for any reason whatsoever.  Positions on the second scale are sharply split, but the first scale skews heavily pro-choice.  Combining them together into a single scale, we get a spectrum that looks like this:

Thinking of people appearing in the media, it's clear that the extreme anti-abortion position, which makes no exceptions whatsoever, is far more extreme in terms of public support than the extreme pro-choice position.

Here again are the underlying numbers:

Thus, in terms of popular support, one who supports abortions in three cases, but no more (presumably all of the AbThreat cases) falls rooughly half way in between one who supports abortions in five or six cases.

Combining Scales

As mentioned above, social and economic liberalism are not the same things.  One cannot simply count support for a spending priority as equivalent to support for abortion in a given situation.  So what I'm about to do here is not to make a substantive argument in and of itself, but simply to make a hueristic argument, showing what would happen if one were to try to create a scale in this manner.  Again, the result would be a tremendous skewing of the population to the left:

Looking at the underlying figures we can confirm what's apparent directly from the chart above: the "center" of the scale has far fewer people to the right of it than to the left:

Indeed, the midpoint, which is 10 1/2, has 16.4% to the right of it, and 83.7% to the left.  One has to go four positions farther left--to 14 1/2, before one gets approximately equal numbers on both sides--51.7% more conservative, and 48.x% more liberal.

So What's It All Mean?

As I said at the beginning of the previous section, it was only an illustrative argument, because you can't simply add these two scales together.  But it is properly illustrative because of the fact that Americans skew to the left on such a wide range of issues--roughly two-thirds of the questions tracked over several decades, as James A. Stimson noted in Public Opinion In America: Moods, Cycles, And Swings, Second Edition.  This is virtually the mirror image of the advantage in self-identification that conservatives enjoy--while, as indicated by the first chart, from John Sides--broad ideological questions tend to split the difference between the two.

So which is correct?

Answer---all of them, and none.

If people are content to have a politics based on image and identity, without giving a rats ass about actual policies, then yes, indeed, we are living in a center-right nation.  If people are primarily concerned with broad platitudes and abstract principles, then welcome to Barack Obama's center-dominated bipartisan world.   But if people actually want something done, well, then, welcome to progressive America, because that's what people want when it comes down to brass tacks.

There is is nothing new in this insight.  Students of politics have long known that salience is all.  It's true not only about issues, hence the term "issue salience", but also about issues vs. image. For the past 40 years or so, conservatives and Republicans have been absolutely clear about this, while liberals and Democrats have been mostly clueless.

Take Paul Krugman's question that started this whole diary off. What defines Michelle Malkin's extremism is not her position on the issues--it's her take no prisoners attitude toward political discourse as war, and her total disregard for the truth, except for when it can get her into trouble.  This is what she shares in common with an entire legion of similar figures on the right.  It's not a question of whether Michael Moore or some other figure on the left is equally far from the center.  Such figures simply do not lie pervasively and consistently the way figures like Malkin do.

There are many reasons for this, so I'll just mention one I haven't focused on for a while: lies are simple, truth is complicated.  If you want to get your point across quickly, and vividly, so that people remember it, then just make it up.

Think about it.  How much time does it take to tell someone that Obama's health care reform will kill grandma?  Versus how much time does it take to refute that lie?

So long as there are no consequences for lying, then lying will be favored all the time, simply because of this strategic advantage, if for no other reasons.

So, instead of Krugman's original question, we might better ask, "is there anyone on the left who lies as repeatedly as Malkin does who would be invited onto a weekend TV show?"

And this is the sort of analysis the raw material for which Media Matters does on a regular ongoing basis.

Now, of course, Malkin does much, much more than simply lie.  She demonizes, advocates for mass incarceration of political undesirables, and incites followers towards violence.  But simply examining media figures for their propensities to lie is a very good first cut baseline to start judging them on.  Truth be told, it's very, very hard to do the rest of the nasty stuff that Malkin does if you're not a habitual liar first.


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As mentioned above, social and economic liberalism are not the same things.  One cannot simply count support for a spending priority as equivalent to support for abortion in a given situation.

While I could agree with "not the same thing" I think the phrasing is too imprecise and mushy for substantive discussion.  Instead, let's note that social and economic liberalism are strongly correlated.  Yes, plenty of individuals are confused and support tax cuts and abortion rights, hate gays but want more regulation and so forth, but at the statistical aggregate level this confusion eases down and the two evidently are linked at some as yet unidentified way.

This is why I'm a believer in a 1 dimensional ideological scale, rejecting things like the political compass test.  Left-Right, while not perfectly representative of all individuals, does a better job of measuring the ideological preferences of populations than does some 4 quadrant model.

My own theory on the linkage is that it is about power.  Power is the ultimate zero-sum fixed quantity resource.  Those policies which concentrate power in fewer hands tend to be supported by conservatives, those that distribute power across more hands tend to be supported by liberals.  Even social policies like abortion or gay marriage have power implications.  Economic issues are simpler because the power implications are more obvious in the dollars moving and where they go.  


If our disagreements have ever hidden my respect Daniel, (0.00 / 0)
let me say unequivocally that you deserve a community of like minded people to push forward the polices you support. I invite you strongly to join us in Halifax next week, to see if your expectations of action, you demand for policy that reflects reality, your understanding of social movement isnt at home in aparty that not only struggles but wins.

Ignatieff isnt just the leader of the Liberal party, he is head of a faction that enough power to oust Dion like baggage thrown from a train. Your vision and commitment is needed in pushing Canada, not pushing a Party that has lost its way.

At least come look, think about joining. There is a solution to stopping the Harper agenda, it is not through the ignoble Ignatieff. This is known to you.

When you tire of the blah blah blah of the lefties that I have so much tolerant admiration for, you can always rejoin the Liberal party when after being drubbed by voters, will reform itself in the honourable ways that Pearson designed.

To those who say this is off topic, it is an outgrowth of necessary praise, and that praise is required.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Thanks. (0.00 / 0)
Iggy certainly wasn't what I wanted for Canada, but I don't see the NDP forming a government or even being the official opposition.  Every progressive who leaves the Liberal party makes it that much less progressive, so I'm staying for now.  The progressives were strong enough to block Iggy once and put Dion in charge, and Iggy needed a coup to take over.  By that I think the Liberals aren't as badly off as the Democrats as far as being owned by big business.  Iggy only had 30% of the party behind him in 2006, and the next 3 finishers were all decent guys.  Pearson isn't dead yet.

I'll certainly be hoping for a Liberal minority with a large enough NDP caucus to keep Iggy in check.  


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Come to Halifax. (0.00 / 0)
There is only one thing stopping the NDP from being elected, there is only one thing keeping the Liberal Party Ignoble elite in control.

Ignatieff is far to the right of Obama. His victory will destroy the Liberal Party. Come now before you are asked to write defences for the indefensible. The more seats Ignatieff wins the longer Pearson's time in the wilderness of never. Will you really fight to put this man in office?

Come visit, Ill buy you a beer. Propeller Bitter is one of the worlds great beers. Its only available in Halifax.

Its just one weekend. Everyone there will be just like the people here on openleft.

You know you want to.
This is Ignatieff writing the front cover article of the NYTimes Magazine, in support of Bush's war on Iraq. Speaking as an American.

In a speech to graduating cadets at West Point in June, President Bush declared, ''America has no empire to extend or utopia to establish.'' When he spoke to veterans assembled at the White House in November, he said: America has ''no territorial ambitions. We don't seek an empire. Our nation is committed to freedom for ourselves and for others.''

Ever since George Washington warned his countrymen against foreign entanglements, empire abroad has been seen as the republic's permanent temptation and its potential nemesis. Yet what word but ''empire'' describes the awesome thing that America is becoming? It is the only nation that polices the world through five global military commands; maintains more than a million men and women at arms on four continents; deploys carrier battle groups on watch in every ocean; guarantees the survival of countries from Israel to South Korea; drives the wheels of global trade and commerce; and fills the hearts and minds of an entire planet with its dreams and desires.


Do you like the cover they gave him back in 2003? This man who took over the Liberal Party in Canada?

Michael Ignatieff is like some new branch plant President, sent north to Canada because he has a "feel for the locals" and can "do something" about the unions, or the lack of support for the empire.

Ignatieff will be defeated.
You can help do that, or watch and write painfully deceptive protestations. will he be defeated by the Harperites again? Will you watch Quebec reject the Liberals one final time, will you watch the right in Quebec use filthy tactics to creat enough votes finally to get a majority?

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Yes and No (0.00 / 0)
I, too, think that political compass is basically bunk  But there's plenty of empirical evidence showing a widespread lack of ideological coherence in people's thinking.  I explain this in terms of two basic notions in tensions with one another:

(1) There is a basic one-dimensional ideological logic that runs from centralized, unaccountable authoritarian power on the rightwing pole to decentralized, accountable, democratic power on the leftwing pole.

(This helps explain why there are so many more liars on the right. It's consistent with their ideology to mislead without accountability.  That's what they believe in.)

(2) The ability to think ideologically in a coherent manner is not widespread.  It is a product both of cognitive development, and of education and experience.

Mediating between these two points is this: There is an inherent logic in terms of how things fit together that leads many who do not think in a coherent ideological manner to approximate the results of coherent ideological thought.  But this is far from perfect, and part of what results is precisely the phenomena I spoke of, where there are a substantial number of people who are economic progressives, but are social conservative, or visa-versa.  And, of course, this crude division only captures one part of the more general fragmentation of policy attitudes.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I find even your typology in (1) difficult (0.00 / 0)
because is the left-wing side of that pole some form of Social Democracy, with worker protections, or is it a total anarchic system?  You find quite radical left-wing activists with both predispositions, but the desired policy outcomes, and their relation to our status quo are quite different.  

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History Matters (4.00 / 1)
Like most American Jews, I come from Eastern European stock--Polish and Russian.  There was a strong anarchist tradition in my family, and it had wide resonance within the community my family came from.  The reasons for this were partly historical, in that Russia and Poland both lacked a history of democratic social institutions.  I'm still temperamentally inclined toward anarchism, and believe it has important philosophical principles behind it.  (For one thing, anarchists, exactly opposite to libertarians, have a powerful sense of individual responsibility, as this is what they believe should hold society together, in place of authoritarian dictates.  Unfortunately, scads of anarchist wannabes nowadays don't really get this.)

But social democratic politics come out of much more benign historical conditions.  And for that reason, their approaches tend to be much more pragmatically grounded.  Most anarchists see this as insufficiently radical, or worse.  But there simply are no workable anarchist examples of comparable scale, and that should tell us something.  Not that anarchism is impossible, per se.  But that it faces difficulties that are not all traceable simply to authoritarianism and its repressive nature.

My bottom line is that historical time is simply far too short to have already worked out a viable synthesis.  But that doesn't mean that one can't be worked out in the future.  Both traditions are impelled by similar desires, but they have ways of realizing those desires, based on historical tradition.  Those within either tradition who realize this are the most far-sighted thinkers. Not necessarily the best strategists, much less tacticians.  But still most in touch with the ideological depths.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Sure, history matters (0.00 / 0)
And I do appreciate that different movements have different roots.  But Bakunin and the Fabians would see themselves as nearly wholly opposed to each other.  That their views may have some future synthesis, and that their underlying motivation lie in recognizing mass oppression and their goal be alleviating that through a mass movement is an important similarity.

But still, the variance in philosophical positions on the left is quite vast, and phrasing it in terms of a one-dimensional authoritarian/anti-authoritarian framework throws out much detail that can often be more fundamental than even the individual's view of government.


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What This Requires (0.00 / 0)
Is something on the order of a 20,000 word essay on my view of the relationship between abstract ideology and embodied political practice.

I'd love to write it, but I just don't have the time.

So I'll settle for a crude analogy from a sci-fi scenario.  The Earth is dying in the grip of an authoritarian world government.

Scenario One: Two groups seek escape.  One launches an escape rocket from the Northern Hemisphere, the other from the Southern Hemisphere.  Their aims are the same, but they take off in opposite directions.

Scenario Two: Two groups seek escape.  One launches an escape rocket headed to Mars to set up a colony to human hope alive. The other sets off for deep space, to set up a colony on an extra-solar planet.  Their aims are the same, but they head off into wildly divergent directions.

Scenario Three: Two groups seek escape.  One launches an escape rocket headed to Mars to set up a colony to human hope alive. The other employs a time machine to head back into the past to change the direction of history. Their aims are the same, but the means they employ are methodologically entirely different from each other.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Communism (0.00 / 0)
Where does communism as practiced in places like the USSR fall into your thinking.  Clearly Stalin was very totalitarian and right wing, but many of the policies are left wing.

Typically I fit communism in by thinking of ideology more as a circle, where the left and right meet back up.  Communism and fascism may differ in the details, but ultimately both are about a very small number of people controlling everything.  But I am fairly certain this is not how you think of it.


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No Circle,Sorry (0.00 / 0)
The best simple suggestion I can give you is to read "Exceptions That Prove the Rule-Using a Theory of Motivated Social Cognition to Account for Ideological Incongruities and Political Anomalies" (pdf).  It was written by the authors of the 2003 meta-analysis "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition" (pdf) as a reply to the critical response that was published along with their original paper.

The abstract of the original said:

Analyzing political conservatism as motivated social cognition integrates theories of personality (authoritarianism, dogmatism-intolerance of ambiguity), epistemic and existential needs (for closure,
regulatory focus, terror management), and ideological rationalization (social dominance, system justification). A meta-analysis (88 samples, 12 countries, 22,818 cases) confirms that several psychological variables predict political conservatism: death anxiety (weighted mean r  .50); system instability (.47); dogmatism-intolerance of ambiguity (.34); openness to experience (-.32); uncertainty tolerance (-.27); needs for order, structure, and closure (.26); integrative complexity (-.20); fear of threat and loss (.18); and self-esteem (-.09). The core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and justification of inequality and is motivated by needs that vary situationally and dispositionally to manage uncertainty and threat.

And the abstract of the counter-response said:

A meta-analysis by J. T. Jost, J. Glaser, A. W. Kruglanski, and F. J. Sulloway (2003) concluded that political conservatism is partially motivated by the management of uncertainty and threat. In this reply to J. Greenberg and E. Jonas (2003), conceptual issues are clarified, numerous political anomalies are explained, and alleged counterexamples are incorporated with a dynamic model that takes into account differences between "young" and "old" movements. Studies directly pitting the rigidity-of-the-right hypothesis against the ideological extremity hypothesis demonstrate strong support for the former. Medium to large effect sizes describe relations between political conservatism and dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity; lack of openness to experience; uncertainty avoidance; personal needs for order, structure, and closure; fear of death; and system threat.

Note that these papers are empirical studies of embodied behavior.  They are not studies of ideology in the abstract, though they do, of course, throw light on abstract ideology.

It bears remembering that no one killed more leading communist figures than Stalin.  It's not even close.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Will the mainstream media betray the constitution. (4.00 / 3)
Have they NO morals, no vision.

They draw a line not halfway between the extreme right and the "moderate" left, they draw a line halfway between their income and their ignorance.

We need an intervention now. People of principle must come forward and stop this drift to violence. We need songs of freedom sung at the town meetings. We need Rep. John Lewis to teach the lessons of Selma and King to the Unions who might be visiting townhalls.

Where on the line of complete madness are we now, the line from The Spanish Republic, the line from the Honduran 'constitutional' coup or the line from Kristallnacht to civil war do we stand.

They know what they are doing. Glen Beck isn't joking about poisoning Pelosi.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


I think they are pushing so that Obama will have to order martial law (0.00 / 0)
Now how is that going to go down with everyone?

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If you want a scale of measurement consult Bob Altemeyer (0.00 / 0)


If you want a scale of measurement consult Bob Altemeyer (0.00 / 0)
The Authoritarians gives some samples of how he measured authoritarianism and his full research articles in academic journals give the full questionaires.

So yes you can measure if a conservative says x on question 7, will she also say x on 3 and 4. The answer is yest if you use Altemeyer's scales in as serious a way as he has used them for 25 years of academic research on this topic.

He has published it in a free ebook you can read online or order bound at lulu.com

http://74.125.155.132/search?q...


No, Altemeyer Doesn't Have A Guttman Scale (0.00 / 0)
(And yes, I read his academic books well before he published The Authoritarians.)

In fact, Guttman scales have nothing to do with the sort of research he has done.  There so far removed from one another that it would take needlessly long to explain how far apart they are.

But ever since I first started reading him, I've wished we had everyone's RWA score readily available to us.  You really don't need a Guttman scale.  That would do just fine.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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