Small States With Big Power

by: Mike Lux

Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 12:02


There is a lot of discussion right now about how Senators from small states hold too much power compared to the percent of population they represent. There's a lot of truth to this. Alex MacGillis of The Washington Post wrote in an analysis column in their Sunday Outlook section, and David Sirota and Nathan Newman have done good pieces on the topic as well. The simple facts are that the key gang of six negotiating health care in the Senate Finance Committee represent less than 3% of the nation's population; that the 10 largest states are home to over half the country's population but represent only 20% of the Senate; the 21 smallest states together have less total population than California does.

It's good that people are raising these issues, and pointing out this unfairness. The plain fact of the matter, though, is that absent a constitutional convention suddenly being held, there is no changing this particular injustice. It would take 2/3 of the Senate, after all, to pass a constitutional amendment to restructure the Senate, and virtually all of the Senators from small states would vote against it. So we are stuck for now.

What we ought to be focused on instead are strategies that might work.

More in the extended entry.

Mike Lux :: Small States With Big Power
Some folks I know are for ending the filibuster entirely, or at least cutting the vote needed for cloture from 60 to 55. This doesn't address the small state issue, but would at least bring us closer to majority rule. Being for more democracy rather than less, I would tend to favor such a thing despite the downside of all the damage Republicans would do when they had the majority. Senators themselves, though, like the additional power they get from only having to get 40 of their colleagues to agree with them instead of 50, and liberals tend to be scared of an unencumbered right wing in control of the government would tend to oppose such a thing, so I'm thinking that will be tough to win.

There is one thing that the progressive movement can start to do today, though, that can help change the dynamics in the Senate, and that is to invest in a small state/rural strategy.

I have felt for years that I am one of the few people in national Democratic politics who is both a strong progressive and a strong advocate for aggressively reaching out to people in rural and small state America. When I was on the 1992 Clinton campaign, and in the Clinton White House, I was liaison to both the broad progressive community and to farmer/rancher/small town groups. Ever since, I have strongly advocated both strong progressive positions and a vigorous small town/rural strategy even as (a) my mostly east and west coast and urban progressive friends were suspicious that outreach to rural folks would water down progressive politics, and (b) my friends from small states and rural areas were convinced big city liberals could never relate to them.

Having grown up in conservative Nebraska, with my in-laws family farmers in (very) rural and (very) Republican Missouri, I don't underestimate the challenges of a progressive small state strategy, but I would offer the following items from recent history as evidence:

  • In the 1950s, in one of the most Republican states in the country, George McGovern went county by county in South Dakota and built an organization that not only elected him Senator three times, but has been electing Democrats ever since. McGovern and his colleague James Abourezk were among the most progressive Senators in the country, while modern day South Dakota Democrats Tom Daschle and Tim Johnson have been loyal and mainstream Democratic leaders, in spite of South Dakota's strong Republican nature.

  • Iowa for most of its history had been one of the most Republican states in the country. When I first starting talking to people about taking a job there with a new statewide progressive coalition (the Iowa Citizen Action Network (ICAN)) in 1982, the state had a Republican Governor, two Republican Senators, a Republican majority Congressional delegation, and both Houses of the legislature controlled by the Republicans. But a group of progressive Democrats came together to rebuild the state Democratic Party as well as progressive organizations like Iowa Citizen Action Network. In 1982, Democrats took control of both legislative chambers, and in 1984 populist progressive Tom Harkin won a Senate seat. In 1988, Mike Dukakis won in Iowa, the first Democrat to win the state's electoral votes since the LBJ landslide in 1964, a victory which started a trend: in five of the six elections from 1988 to 2008, the Democrats won, losing narrowly only in 2004. Although Democrats lost control of the legislature for a while in the 1990s and early 2000s, a Democratic Governor, Tom Vilsack, finally won in 1998, and Democratic infrastructure kept getting stronger. Today, Democrats have the entire Congressional delegation except for one seat, and both houses of the legislature firmly in their control. They still have the Governor's mansion, and Tom Harkin is still there.

  • Montana is another state which has been strongly Republican over the years. Governor Brian Schweitzer has made a name for himself as a leader of western populist progressives, and Jon Tester came out of nowhere to surprise an establishment Democratic primary front runner, and then edge right wing Republican Senator Conrad Burns. Max Baucus is giving all of us progressives heartburn on health care, but I suspect if he was facing an election rather than just being elected to another six year term last year, he would be approaching the issue quite differently. A progressive group in the state, Forward Montana, has been doing an incredible job building an organization there.

As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, there is a fascinating combination of libertarianism and populism in the small states of the west and Midwest, and while this combination can produce a negative politics at times, it can also produce people like Schweitzer, Harkin, Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown, and the beloved progressive icon Paul Wellstone.

For too many years, progressive organizations and leaders have paid far too little attention to the small states and small towns of the Midwest and west. It is not as easy to organize there, pick up new direct mail or online members. And there are big cultural barriers between big city coastal progressives and rural/small state folks. The pay off for a long term strategy of organization and party building in small states is immense, though. We need to be investing in both national organizations that work on rural organizing such as RuralVotes, and great statewide groups like Forward Montana and ICAN. There is simply no other path to passing progressive legislation through the Senate without going through the small states.


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"...absent a constitutional convention suddenly being held..." (0.00 / 0)
I've posted Article V ("Constitution: how amended; proviso.") before.

The final clause of the proviso: "no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate."

So, under the US Constitution, the anti-democratic structure of the Senate can NOT be changed via ratification "by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three-fourths thereof...," but ONLY through a combination of normal ratification AND each affected state's consent.  


I don't mean to nitpick ... (4.00 / 1)
while modern day South Dakota Democrats Tom Daschle and Tim Johnson have been loyal and mainstream Democratic leaders, in spite of South Dakota's strong Republican nature.

but I am wondering what Daschle did to deserve the title of loyal Democrat .. I guess what I am saying .. is that he's not even Byron Dorgan .. but otherwise .. you make some good points .. but the problem I fear .. is that there aren't enough committed Democrats ... and I mean the anti-Ben Nelsons ... are you telling me that a populist can't get elected in Montana? .. or Nebraska? .. have you talked to any of your Nebraska friends? .. Have they seen the health care commercials being run against Ben Nelson?  If so, what do they think of them?  And do they see Ben in a new light?  What makes Nebraska conservative?  Is it that a lot of people are "pro-life"?  Something else?


Absolutely agree with you about Daschle. (0.00 / 0)
I was shocked after 9/11 how one of the first things he sped through the Senate was a huge aid package for the airlines.  Daschle was and is a corporate Democrat.  I cannot remember anything he did to attempt to slow down the march to war or to attempt to defund the occupation in Iraq.

On the other hand, Mike is absolutely right about the necessity of organizing in small/rural states.  Obviously the Democratic organization in South Dakota needs some shaking up if the best that can be done is Daschle and Tim Johnson in the Senate.


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That's not fair (0.00 / 0)

I cannot remember anything he did to attempt to slow down the march to war

Daschle did in fact try to slow down the rush to war, until that slime Gephardt put his own presidential ambitions ahead of the lives of US servicemen and came out for the invasion of Iraq.

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My first year out of college (0.00 / 0)
I love this story;

I was in my first year of Law School, working for Newsday on Long Island...we had a reporter in Washington covering the AUMF. I remember the whole story.

Daschle thought if he bought enough time, the public would turn against it and he would be able to kill it...then Bush cornered them with the midterm elections and the impending Democratic wipeout, which turned out not to be as bad as they thought. Daschle counted the seats and thought he would pickup Arkansas and New Hampshire, but thought he would lose the majority with Minnesota (everyone had thought Wellstone was gone), Georgia, Louisiana, Missouri and South Dakota (Tim Johnson)

The vulnerable Democrats; Jean Carnahan, Max Cleland and Mary Landrieu demanded Daschle move forward with AUMF to save their seats. Yes, even Cleland. Supposedly it was Tim Johnson, Daschle's SD parter, who pushed him to do it because Thune was beating Johnson up over the issue, which was popular in SD and Johnson had figured he would be defeated if Bush didn't get his way on Iraq. Ultimately, Daschle moved forward because he thought it would save him seats in Georgia (which it didn't), Missouri (which it didn't), Louisiana, and South Dakota, Wellstone would sink or swim on his own since he wasn't supporting AUMF anyway, and he would still pick up Arkansas and New Hampshire.

AUMF probably saved Tim Johnson, but Daschle ultimately took one for the team. Had Thune taken out Johnson in 2002, Daschle would have surely gotten reelected in 2004...Thune ran in 2004 largely as retribution for him saving Johnson with AUMF in 2002.  


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populists (0.00 / 0)
Daschle was not as progressive as I would have liked, but at least he stood squarely in the mainstream of the Democratic party, enough that he was comfortably re-elected year after year to be the Majority Leader.
I completely believe that a populist progressive could get elected in NE.  It is certainly one of the more conservative states in the country, but a Scott Kleeb with a little more money and a little different dynamic could have won.  

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Kleeb barely got 40% of the vote (0.00 / 0)
in a year when the Democratic Presidential candidate did the best in Nebraska since 1964...he lost to a BUSH CABINET member.

It would've taken a lot more money and a very VERY different dynamic.

and Kleeb was exactly the type of candidate progressives keep saying could win in these states...and he didn't.



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Yes! (4.00 / 3)
I found that moving back to my conservative rural home county, I was able to utilize the organizing skills I'd learned elsewhere and was able quickly to get hundreds of people organized in a progressive direction.  It took a lot tailoring of the message - avoiding red flags, etc. - which I could do since I came from that culture.  I was blown away how far a little bit of input could go.  But I was just one organizer moving back to my hometown and I had to work another job to fund myself.  We need national organizations to invest in a longer-term base-building strategy in these areas, which will have to include things like listening campaigns, market research, and leadership training for local folks.  And point blank, it is true that many "big city liberals" need an attitude adjustment about these areas.

"What can we do today, so that tomorrow we can do what we are unable to do today?" -Paulo Freire

Can you name any of those .. (0.00 / 0)
"big city liberals"? .. the reason I ask  ... is because I do have a problem with one thing .. it's that Limbuagh and his ilk are disproportionately piped into the rural places .. and his word is accepted as gospel .. sadly .. yet they wouldn't trust any of the Big Three(meaning Gibson, Couric or Brian Williams)

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Limbaugh (0.00 / 0)
He is more popular in rural areas, of course, but nowhere near a majority accept his words as gospel.

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to clarify... (0.00 / 0)
I used the term because it has some resonance where I come from.  When we organize in rural areas, we have to be painstakingly intentional about defying stereotypes, however unfair they are - and also not to overgeneralize (e.g. Limbaugh's word is accepted as gospel to SOME people in these areas, but certainly not everyone).  Unfortunately I have often encountered friends and colleagues playing right into the Right's stereotypes.  Disdaining areas of the country where people are organizing against their own economic self-interest will not change this reality.

"What can we do today, so that tomorrow we can do what we are unable to do today?" -Paulo Freire

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One More Thing About Small States (4.00 / 1)
You'll note that "the 21 smallest states together have less total population than California does."

That means they can sustain a fillibuster, all by they lonesome.

If anyone has an equal protection right to secede, it's us Californians.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


Right on Mike (4.00 / 1)
And the party would be better for it also.

Having to go 20 or 50 miles to get to anything does breed a strong sense of self reliance. It also forces a longer view and injects a large amount of planning ahead.  


Correction (0.00 / 0)
Democrats actually control 3 out of 5 seats in the House Delegation.  You probably forgot about Tom Latham, which is certainly understandable.

You are right. (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, Latham is hard to remember. Steve King is another matter.

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The rub is not the Senate right now, the rub is the filibuster. (!) (4.00 / 1)
The filibuster IS NOT in the constitution. The Republicans warned they were getting rid of it during Bush, but the Democrats, caved on massive niumvbers of bills in order to keep it around incase they ever grew a spine and needed a filibuster.

It is time, without convention, to just jettison the filibuster at 60% of the vote and make a new filibuster with 50% of the vote.

That is possible, that is doable that is democratic.

Get rid the hold. or make it transparent, and mkae it short lived, two weeks. Thses are not Constitutional i9mpossibilities, they are privilege, they contribute to coercive behaviour whose purpose is opaque corruption.

End them all, return democracy, build transparency and make the Senate work again.

I cannot believe, that we are "conspiring" to use a democratic vote (OMG! 51%!!! Juast 51%) to pass legislation.

I am tired of bipartisanship with wolves.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


I agree. (0.00 / 0)
But getting Senators to vote for that will be very tough to do.

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Really? What level of voting was being used by Republicans to abolish it? (0.00 / 0)
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Actually they were planning on getting rid of it (0.00 / 0)
for judicial nominees only and it was some Republicans who opposed getting rid of it (McCain, Collins for example) for fear they would one day be left with 40 seats.

They were right.  


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VT (4.00 / 1)
The shining example of a small state turn around is Vermont, not South Dakota.  Vermont (3 electoral votes) has two very liberal Democratic Senators in Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy.  Not too long ago, Vermont tended Republican (albeit a very moderate Republican).  Rhode Island with Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse is a;so a very good small state.

First, this tells us that NH's Senate election is pretty important.  Hodes is not perfect but he's to theleft of any likely winner in say SD or Nebraska.

Second, the replacement in Delaware (Beau Biden?) needs to be a real liberal not a Carper bi-partisan corporate fraud.  This may be tougher in corporate headquarter happy DE.  Kaufman has been great, much better than Joe Biden.  Carper is a pretty poor Democrat.

Third, we need to work Maine.  The Maine ladies are great for Republicans, basically being off with Ben Nelson in some weird offshoot party of their own but we can do much better.  Maine, adjusted for the cost of heat and other cost of living is certsinly not a wealthy state and the Maine ladies don't represent its needs as much as , perhaps, the image the state would like to have.

Fourth, Alaska has some potential.  Begich is not a liberal Democrat by any means and Murkowski has a weak tendency towards moderation.  The Tea Baggers lost a big one with the override of Palin's veto of stimulus funds.  The Palin strand may play well somehow in the Mat-Su valley but many of the smaller towns and villages as well as Anchorage lose out (in different ways).  With the drop in oil prices, the state's Alaska Permanent Fund will not get the windfalls it has been used to.  Ordinary politics as well as federal largesse (as usual) are needed).

Btw, the Tea Baggers went direct from the state legislature to a health care forum by Begich (business "leaders" only, I think).  They did not seem to be too welcome in either place (outdoor pickets and those got some sour responses at least from the Anchorage Daily News coverage).  The stimulus veto over ride was 45-14.



Very Good Points! (0.00 / 0)
Particularly appreciated as an erstwhile Vermonter.  

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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Also Maine (0.00 / 0)
Chellie Pingree wouldn't get 30% of the vote in her district in Maine in the 1950's.  

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Electoral College and Filibuster (4.00 / 3)
House of Progress addressed the Filibuster well in his/her comment above.  The other undemocratic dynamic is the Electoral College and the increased influence it grants to small states.  

I'm willing to abide by the wisdom of the Founders in handing each state equal influence in one house of the bi-cameral legislature.  It's a moderating influence.  However, the Electoral College provides a similar imbalance in the selection of the executive, and that needs to stop.  If you don't think this fact makes Obama and every executive more conservative out of concern for how he's viewed in the "square states," I think you're smoking something.  There is no reason that voters in Wyoming should count more than those in California when it comes to picking a President.  

My state (Washington) has passed the National Popular Vote into law, which will give all our Electoral College votes to the national popular vote winner IF enough other states pass the same law to add up to a winning number of EC votes.  Please call your state legislators about passing this law.  All we need is for the Blue states to pass this!  Then our bretheren in deep red states will finally be able to cast a vote for President that actually COUNTS.


fight fire w/fire: add a couple of more small states to the Senate (0.00 / 0)
I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about pushing for statehood for DC and Puerto Rico while the Democrats control the trifecta. But I wonder if all 60 Democratic Senators would support this despite their obvious self-interest of cementing their control with 4 more solidly Democratic seats?

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