A Stuck Pig Squeals: Michael Lind's Analytical Confusion Reflects Traditional Southern Apologetics

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Aug 16, 2009 at 10:30


In my first diary yesterday, "Going After Michael Lind With Occam's Razor", I focused on how Lind misconstrued a comment by Kevin Drum to form the entire foundation for his screed, "Are liberals seceding from sanity? The left is crazy to insult white Southerners as a group".

In trying to paint Drum as a bigot, Lind was engaged in the age-old Southern strategem of misrepresenting northern disgust with Southern bigotry as itself constituting a kind of bigotry.  Necessarily overlooked in this "clever" inversion is the fact that Southern bigotry is based on skin color and alleged group attributes that no individual can change.  Northern criticism is based on Southern political culture, and individual behavior, which millions of White Southerns in fact have changed.

Bit of a difference there.

In fact, Lind has a multitude of problems thinking straight about individual and group attitudes, as revealed in his column--a characteristic that's quite typical of effects of white supremacy.  This is not to say that Lind is a white supremacist.  I don't believe that for millisecond.  But as historical works such Race and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory have clearly demonstrated, whenever anyone tries to accommodate themselves to Southern white supremacist ideologies--whether actively or passively--the end result is inevitably a tangle of contradictions, and wholesale abandonment of reality.  However innocently one begins--such as Walt Whitman's ministering to those wounded in battle--the end result of the attitudes and narratives that emerge are inevitably pernicious in the extreme, and they are as pernicious to logic and truth as they are to human dignity.

This is what we behold at work in Lind's arguably well-meaning attempt to focus on the need for building cross-racial, cross-regional solidarity for an economic populist agenda.  My previous diary, "Michael Lind Secedes From Reality: Mixing Up Race, Class, And Party ID In The South", showed that Lind was mistaken in his very premise--the Birthers are not primarily representative of the White Southern working class base he wants us to reach out to.  They primarily represent better-off White Southerners who want to buttress their higher socio-economic position with a veener of moral superiority as well.  And Lind's "hands-off" admonitions would only help them in this quest.

But there are a multitude of other confusions as well, as indicated by the preceding diary on Lind's misrepresentation of Kevin Drum.  In comments, Gray quickly pointed something I was saving for this diary as a sort of jumping-off point:  Lind generalized wildly to "liberals" in general based on a single post by a single blogger.  Even if he hadn't misrepresented Drum, that's a mighty small data set.  But it's perfectly consistent with the imperative to defend "Southern honor."  More fun and games along these lines on the flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: A Stuck Pig Squeals: Michael Lind's Analytical Confusion Reflects Traditional Southern Apologetics
Distortion And Negation Run Wild

Lind's wild generalization from a single misinterpreted post by Kevin Drum is typical of how racism systematically distorts reality.  The foundation of racism is that group identity replaces individual identity, and that disowned parts of the self are projected onto the despised "other". With such basic distortions--nay negations of reality at the foundations of racism, is it any wonder that further distortions and negations abound at every turn?  Nor can it be any wonder that any attempt to fend off a critical stance toward racism will itself tend to exhibit similar distortions and negations.

For example:

If his Wikipedia entry is to be believed, Kevin Drum grew up in California, the same enlightened California that during his childhood and early adulthood gave our nation Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and the tax-revolt politics of Howard Jarvis. More recently, California voters amended the state Constitution to outlaw gay marriage. I grew up in Texas, which gave our nation champions of the New Deal and civil rights like Maury Maverick, Ralph Yarborough, Lyndon Johnson, Henry Gonzalez, Barbara Jordan, Lloyd Doggett and Sarah Weddington, who argued Roe v. Wade. Texas is less progressive than it once was and California is less conservative than it once was, but someone from the land of Nixon and Reagan should think twice about lecturing other parts of the country. Nor are other regions bastions of political virtue.

First off, as Amanda Marcotte justly notes in her excellent response:

Do you see a problem with marshaling a list like this in a specific defense of white Texans?  How about the fact that Henry Gonzalez is Hispanic and Barbara Jordan was black?  

"Distortion and negation" much?

But there are at least two other problems intertwined here.  First is the assumption that racism is just another political embarrassment, everyone's got 'em, so what's the big deal?  This ploy becomes particularly evident as Lind goes on to point out corruption in Illinois and New Jersey--as if the South only had a problem with racism, and had never, ever heard tell of political corruption in all its born days.

But, of course, racism is not just another political embarrassment, its ugliest manifestation--slavery--is justly called the "original sin" or American democracy.  And it not only is in an entirely different league than other political failings, it is also a prime enabler of those other failings, systematically empowering them to become far more virulent in the South than they have generally tended to be elsewhere.

Thus, political corruption has tended to infest most major growth centers in the North, Midwest and West, but it has not been so extreme as to foreclose the general benefits of the growth that it feeds on.  In South, however, political corruption has been part and parcel of the political culture for centuries now, often stifling the very possibility of broader economic growth from taking hold.

The second problem with this passage is that Lind is somehow arguing that because Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan came from California, Kevin Drum should somehow not have standing to criticize anything done wrong anywhere else in the world.  By this same logic, Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman, Barbara Lee and Maxine Waters, just to name a few, should also just pack it in.

Crazy, much?

I'm sure that the theocratic thugs running things in Iran just now would applaud Lind's logic.  But here at Open Left, not so much.

Indeed, Lind's logic here is virtually identical to that of Bull Connor and George Wallace railing against "outside agitators" disturbing the "peace and tranquility" of their idyllic domains.  In fact, I'd really like to see Lind explain precisely how his logic differs from theirs.  Because, quite frankly, I don't believe it differs one iota.

If perfection in one's own home were a pre-requiste for ever speaking out against wider evils, then moral progress in human affairs would be utterly impossible.  Which is just the way that arch-conservatives want it.  We learn and grow by fighting evils in the world, which enable us to face down demons closer to home, every bit as much as facing down demons close at hand empowers us to fight them in the world at large. It was, after all, White Northern women's involvement in Abolitionism that laid the foundation for First Wave Feminism. And this was hardly an anomaly. It is precisely the engagement in multiple theaters that makes it possible for us to acquire the broader perspective that's key in breaking out of parochial viewpoints that limit our very capacity to even recognize the true nature of the evils we fight against.

"Evil Liberal Bigots Called Conservatives Crazy! (Part 1: I Say They're Stupid, Instead!")

Downplaying the significance of racism, making it out to be the equivalent of any other sort of political embarrassment, is merely a prelude to the real game, which is to turn the tables and attack the critics of Southern racism.  This is how the game has been played since well before the Civil War.   But Lind's counter-attack on liberal criticism of Southern racism is much stronger on other fronts.  We've already taken note of how he attempted to brand Drum a bigot.  But there's another theme that's struck in Lind's first paragraph, and raised again several times thereafter:  the theme of liberals calling conservatives "crazy."  

This theme in Lind's essay could well deserve it's own diary series in response, so I'll just try to name a few highlights here:

(1) Perhaps most devastatingly, Lind argues that "liberal" social scientists were wrong--that conservative voters we're crazy, they were just reflecting a different set of values.  But if this argument is valid, then it undermines the entire premise of his piece.

Here's Lind laying out his thesis in the first two paragraphs of his piece:

Back in the 1960s, Seymour Martin Lipset and Richard Hofstadter and other liberal sociologists, historians and political scientists, puzzled that anyone could support Barry Goldwater rather than Lyndon Johnson, concluded that Goldwater supporters were deranged. They didn't say so directly, of course. They said that members of the radical right were emotionally disturbed victims of "status anxiety." The evidence? They didn't vote the way that Lipset and other academics thought that they should vote. Therefore they had to be crazy.

In the decades since, far better scholars than Hofstadter and Lipset, for whom history and sociology are not exercises in partisan Democratic mythmaking, have established that Goldwater and Reagan Republicans often were highly educated, socially secure individuals who happened not to share the values of liberal professors and journalists. This scholarship has been wasted, to judge by the glee with which the liberal blogosphere, in the aftermath of the ephemeral "Birther" flap, has dusted off the old conservatives-are-crazy meme, and revised it to suggest that all white Southerners are crazy.

There are so many misrepresentations, if not downright falsehoods, in these two paragraphs that one does not know where to begin. So I'll put off the larger task to the next section.  For now, I'll just note that if Lind's argument were to be taken at face value about Goldwater and Reagan voters in the past, then it should apply equally to Birthers today, in which case the following prescription makes no real sense, once you think about it:

Here's how I see it. Liberals should respect and promote the interests of working Americans of all races and regions, including those who despise liberals. They are erring neighbors to be won over, not cretins to be mocked....

The traditional liberal solution to such alienation is economic reform, education and political empowerment. But reform is difficult and expensive. And it is much less fun than caricaturing entire ethnic or regional groups, particularly those whose members tend to have less money, less education and less power than those who lampoon them. 

Far from being deeply opposed to Lipset, Hoftadter & company, Lind's position is much more similar than opposed: both assume there are real material interests of "rational self-interests" that these voters are deviating from.  They differ only in how to characterize the deviation, and what to do about it.  But those differences are relatively minor--compared to wide range of theoretical perspectives that are effectively kept out of the debate.  Of course, my previous diary underscores that Lind's political economic analysis is deeply flawed--it's not the poorer strata of Southern White workers we're talking about. But that was an empirical problem with Lind's argument.  This one goes to the very heart of Lind's logic, which is only potentially compelling if one thinks that Lind and his straw men from the 1950s exhaust the realm of possibilities.  Once one realizes the existence of very different explanations of poltical action, Lind's argument is revealed as essentially self-contradictory.

"Evil Liberal Bigots Called Conservatives Crazy! (Part 2: Details, Details...)

Returning to Lind's first two paragraphs, it's time to take a deeper look at the problems involved. For one thing, it was McCarthy that first got these intellectuals going--and Hitler who seeded the interest that preceded them.  Goldawter's emergence in 1964 brought renewed interest to the subject from this crowd, but Reagan is Lind's own backwards interpolation in time, to make his argument neater for the present moment, in typical history-be-damned Versailles fashion--something Lind is usually much better than.

This dislocation in time completely removes Lind's argument from the realm of serious analysis, and transposes it into the realm of political narrative. The narrative is: "Liberals keep calling conservatives crazy!"  But this narrative has a further problem:  the liberals involved did not call conservatives crazy, as even Lind is forced to admit.

And little has changed in the decades since then: the evidence is overwhelming that conservatives are cognitively biased in some ways (just as liberals are cognitive biased in others) and that these biases constitute an impairment of ideal function in some ways.

But this is a far cry from labeling conservatives "crazy" either individually or as a group.  Rather, what has been found is a greater propensity to be mislead, and this helps to explain why political organizing on the right tends to be less reality-based than organizing on the left. These are all relationships based on correlations and tendencies, no one who is knowledgeable is talking in the sorts of iron, deterministic ways that Lind imputes to them.

Point # 2: As noted in my off-shoot diary, "Who's Calling Who Crazy? Centrist/Extremist Theory & The Marginalizaiton of The American Majority", the intellectual history here is far more complicated than Lind lets on.  So much more so that it entirely vitiates the thrust of Lind's argument.  It's centrists who perpetuate the "crazy" discourse, and they make much more fundamental use of it against the left, as opposed to the right.

At the same time, rightwing discourse routinely is "crazy" if one uses the framework of rationalist discourse as one's model.  This is not the case, however, if one understands such discourse in terms of mythos rather than logos.    As mythos, rightwing discourse makes tremendous sense: If one were to take the official mainstream ideological narrative as factually true, then the rightwing mythos makes very good sense at the individual level in terms of explaining why your typical upstanding rightwing citizen has not gotten the goodies promise him (even today, the prime actors are disproportionately male),

Of course, it would be a grave mistake to take the official mainstream ideological narrative as factually true, that should go without saying.  But after all, it is rigidly supported by virtually the entire political class, so it's easy to see why one would take it as true.

The correct message to take from all this is that the left needs to seriously start crafting a mythos of its own.  But this is precisely what Southern apologetics stands in the way of.  So long as one is afraid of offending Southern conservative sensibility, one cannot freely create an oppositional narrative that will diametrically oppose those sensibilities.  It's a fundamental impossibility.  And it has nothing at all to do with whether you think Southern conservatives are crazy, stupid, or simply misinformed and confused.

Not All Conspiracies Are Created Equal

Drum's piece really starts to come unhinged right about here:

Oh, those dumb white Southerners! No other group in American society could possibly believe in preposterous conspiracy theories. Well, maybe one other group, the most reliably Democratic demographic in the whole U.S. electorate. A 2005 study by RAND and Oregon State University showed that a majority of blacks believed that a cure for AIDS was being withheld from the poor; that nearly half believed that AIDS was man-made, with a quarter believing that it was created in a U.S. government laboratory and 12 percent naming the CIA as its source. Black paranoia about AIDS is understandable, given the Tuskegee experiments. Even so, the theory that AIDS was created by the CIA to commit genocide against black people is wackier than the craziest Birther conspiracy theories. Would Kathleen Parker write, or the Washington Post publish, a column arguing that black Democrats "have seceded from sanity"? Would Kevin Drum applaud Parker's insult and extend to it to all African-Americans?

Even Lind can't ignore the fact that there's actually a good reason for blacks to suspect government agencies of conspiring toward their deaths.  Which makes it all the more remarkable how easily he shrugs off that inconvenient truth:

Even so, the theory that AIDS was created by the CIA to commit genocide against black people is wackier than the craziest Birther conspiracy theories.

One simple question, Mr. Lind: Why?

Why is the AIDs-was-created-by-the-CIA conspiracy theory "wackier than the craziest Birther conspiracy theories"?  And why didn't you think you needed to justify that claim?

The Birther conspiracies require us to ignore or explain away a birth certificate that's been published on the web for well over a year now.  They require us to ignore not one, but two birth announcements printed in Hawaiian newspapers.  Also available on the intertubes.  What similar sorts of definitive documentary proof are commonly available to everyone disproving the AIDs-was-created-by-the-CIA conspiracy theory?

Answer: None.

Furthermore, Amanda reminds us:

It's not that big a leap, if you assume that federal intelligence agencies have historically had it out for black people, which there's piles of evidence to show that they have. Remember, the FBI tried to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. into committing suicide, and that's not a conspiracy theory.  

Not to mention the various other actions involved in COINTELPRO.  Or the incredibly racist war on drugs, the incredibly racist death penalty, the incredibly racist health care non-delivery system, etc., etc., etc.  

Amanda continues:

But I've written about conspiracy theories before, and while spreading one is always wrong (even if done so unintentionally), the content of different conspiracy theories tells you a lot about the believers' values and fears.  People who believe the CIA created AIDS are just like 9/11 Truthers---they turned a case of criminal neglect into a conspiracy theory of active malice.  But the birther conspiracy theory is about transmitting the idea that non-white Americans will never be "real" Americans.  The levels of cruelty here differ dramatically.  

While I agree with the main thrust of Amanda's argument, this is actually a considerable understatement on her part.  There really isn't any cruelty to speak of in the AIDs conspiracy theory, per se.

In fact, there's a general rule here: When Black Americans theorize about why White people treat them so badly, one can critique the reasoning involved, but there's simply no escaping the fact that they are trying to make sense of something that's an overwhelming historical fact. OTOH, when White Americans theorize about why Black people just aren't good enough, they are trying to come up with a new excuse for continuing to treat Black Americans so badly.

There is simply no comparison between these two quite opposite motives.  None at all.

Who Let The Angry White Women In Here?

Having completely unhinged himself from reality, Lind shifts into high gear:

When liberal pundits are not arguing that white conservatives are insane, they are explaining conservatism in the patronizing spirit of Lipset and the '60s liberals as the result, not of ideology or theology, but of the irrational resentment of the "angry white male." But what about the angry white female? If white men in the South and elsewhere who do not vote for the Democrats are by definition hate-filled racists upset by social progress, then the same must be true of white women who vote the same way.

At this point, Lind has slipped into full-throttle anti-liberal rant mode.  What any of this has to do with the Birthers Lind doesn't even try to explain.  It's time for the Two Minute Hate, and liberals are the object of the day. Lind next goes on to cite evidence of White women voting for Republicans.  But nothing he cites addresses the actual sorts of things that people have written about, such as the kinds of political rhetoric employed, which have always had a distinct gender slant to them.  (Even the Willie Horton ad was about the emasculation of the white man, rather than the rape of a the white woman.) The fact that White women might vote similarly to White men doesn't necessarily mean that they're moved by the same logic, or motives. But the nature of the propaganda used strongly suggests that there are key differences--that men feel anger based in self-pity, and women feel sympathy for their men. These are clearly related, but quite different motivations, and white male anger is the sine qua non.

This is certainly well understood by Democratic-leaning groups who specifically target White single women--they are much more likely to vote Democratic.  If White women per se really were 'just as angry' as Lind alleges, such a strategy would make absolutely no sense.

And, of course, the ultimate come-back to Lind is "So what?"  Amanda writes:

Just because someone's a woman doesn't mean you're immune to racial prejudice. Or sexism or homophobia, for that matter.  Self-hating misogyny is epic in its proportions.  Strawman.  Feminists never said women weren't capable of being bastards.

All of which is also true.  But Lind's operating off of his own anti-liberal prejudice, in which all liberals march in lock-step hating white men without reason and giving everyone else a free pass.  It's downright delusional, but delusional is pretty much normal when you sign up for defending the White South.

And so it is that Lind thinks he's scoring even more points when he goes on to talk about homophobia amongst minority groups.  He's got more straw men than Carter's got little liver pills.

It's truly remarkable that he can just go on and on and on like this, and never feel the slightest need to quote a single liberal on any of the topics he takes up, aside from the original brief passage from Kevin Drum.

Which, finally brings us to the ultimate truth of the matter: just like Lind's long-winded anti-liberal screed, the Birthers have absolutely no need of liberals saying anything at all to hurt their tender White Pride feelings.  If they  just make shit up about Obama being born in Kenya, and they make shit up about liberals creating death panels, they will happily make shit up about liberals calling them dumb-ass dipshits, even if we shifted in unison to non-stop praise of their top-flight intellects.

Reality simply isn't a factor here.  It's just as simple as that.


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So . . . the take away (at least for me) is (4.00 / 1)
1. Southern liberals are crazy (but often in a hysterically funny, totally shameless and intellectually brilliant sort of way).

2. Southern conservatives are stupid (but more often just willfully ignorant in an almost never funny, morally self-contradicting, i.e., in the closet, and not very genius, i.e., disingenuous, sort of way).


I'd Hardly Call Amanda Crazy (4.00 / 3)
Or our Sadie Baker, either.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
I wasn't talking about Amanda or Sadie Baker (4.00 / 1)
I was talking about all my other favorite Southern liberals, particularly its writers and artists (with an occasional Molly Ivins thrown in for good measure).

I know you are a student of Southern culture.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

Among the prominent southern writers today are Tim Gautreaux, Flannery O'Connor, Barry Hannah, William Gay, Pat Conroy, Fannie Flagg, Randall Kenan, Ernest Gaines, Erskine Caldwell, John Grisham, Mary Hood, Lee Smith, Tom Robbins, Tom Wolfe, Wendell Berry, Cormac McCarthy, Anne Rice, Edward P. Jones, Barbara Kingsolver, Willie Morris, Anne Tyler, Larry Brown, Allan Gurganus, Clyde Edgerton, Daniel Wallace, Kaye Gibbons, Nicholas Sparks, Winston Groom and Lewis Nordan.

Now you tell me most of these people aren't crazy according to Definition 1.


[ Parent ]
Writers Generally Aren't Crazy (4.00 / 1)
Despite all the hype and hoopla to the contrary.

They would be crazy if they didn't write.

It's a compulsive order, as opposed to a compulsive disorder.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Ok, you win ( I think) (4.00 / 1)
I'll confine the comment to myself (and my Mother). She was a crazy Southern poet. I am a crazy Southern writer.

She asked to have chiseled on her tombstone the comment, "I told you they were out to get me." Of course we didn't. That would have been crazy.


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The Perils of Self-Diagnosis (0.00 / 0)
You & your mom both sound pretty sane to me!

But...

I guess you have to be crazy to trust your own self-diagnosis!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That's a whole other story- the repression of Southerners as it relates (0.00 / 0)
to mental illness. Take Faulkner and replace race with mental illness, and you've described my mother's family precisely. And the gothic, hellish mental institutions remain today.
This all connects to the discussion at hand- it's the sin of pride taken to its most evil, destructive levels, the desire to place one's self above others.


[ Parent ]
racism + denial = crazy (4.00 / 3)
As someone who has now spent most of his life in Georgia, I can tell you that there are plenty of Democrats down here. But we are outnumbered by Republicans. There is a simple reason for that: The Southern Strategy worked. This is not really mysterious. Most working class Republicans are Republicans because of varying degrees of racism.

Almost everyone agrees that racism is morally wrong - even racists. I once had a conversation with a woman from Boston who was saying a lot of racist things but insisted that she was not racist. Her logic, in a nutshell, was something along the lines of "I'm not racist; it's just that black people really do suck." I suspect that if you were to try to pin down most racists-who-don't-think-they're-racists, this would be their general unconscious logic. So the problem is that there are a lot of racists who acknowledge that racism is morally wrong. So they look for justification. Thus they are easy prey for conservative lies and manipulations that divide and conquer working class people. They can't deal with a black president because they are racist, so they easily latch on to any crazy made up bullshit about birth certificates or secret socialist agendas or death panels or whatever. This gives them a psychological out. They're not racists; it's just that Barry Hussein is an illegitimate President who has a secret plan to kill all the white people. They're crazy because it feels better than realizing that they are morally degenerate. This is what Republicanism gets by on. It's not just in the South, but come on! It's really bad in the South. This is obvious.

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Why is sTiVo being so damned argumentative with Paul's thesis? (4.00 / 1)
We have both in the past day accused each other of willful misunderstanding.  Since I don't like to think that's true of either me or of Paul, it requires me yet again to attempt to explain.

So why is sTiVo being so damned argumentative with Paul's thesis?  

I've been trying to answer this in my own head the past couple of days.

Certainly it's not because I deny that racism continues to be a serious problem, as evidenced by the following, all of which I believe to be true:

1.  Continuing disparity in income and incarceration rates between blacks and whites.

2.  Continuing existence of racial profiling and police brutality, which is more than likely tacitly supported by a majority of whites.

3.  Continuing disparity in sentencing for crack vs powdered cocaine.

4.  Continuing cultural bias among whites of those African Americans who continue to use "civil rights" rhetoric (called, unfairly, many times "playing the race card") as opposed to the more palatable "Bill Cosbyist" rhetoric.  Included under this would be some number of whites who now feel that election of a Black president should have ended all talk of racism forever.

5.  Continued existence of lynch-mob justice in parts of the South such as Jena, Louisiana.

6.  And I could go on and on.

Why, given all that, do I insist that "racism talk" from progressive white bloggers is misguided?

To answer this, let's go back to "Bill Cosbyism".  Regardless of the use to which white racists have put Cosby's remarks and their largely successful attempts to make of it a standard to which all prominent blacks should be held in the media, what was the logic behind Cosby making those remarks, and why do they resonate with some blacks?

Even if Cosby can justly be criticized for providing fodder to white racists, I believe that he has justified these remarks with the idea that even though all the above points about continuing racism are true, continued harping on these facts can and does serve, in some instances, as a crutch, as an excuse for failure, and that, therefore, a better strategy is to avoid this focus and simply work to overcome the undoubted obstacle of continuing racism, that one should raise one's children not to rely on the excuse of racism.

I would never presume to tell black folk which of these strategies is the right one to pursue.  If they want to talk like Malcolm X, I can see the logic in that.  If they want to talk like Bill Cosby, I can see the logic in that.  That is their decision, not mine.  But it's a political decision, and is largely based on judgments of effectiveness of either strategy.

However, when looked at in this light, the continued harping by white liberal bloggers on racism in contexts where it isn't directly involved is counterproductive, just as some African Americans may see a strategy focused primarily on complaining about racism as ineffective.  

I have no quarrel with the fact that Barack Obama chose to inject himself in the issue of Henry Louis Gates' arrest.  I think rather more of him because he did so than I would have if he didn't.

But I have a quarrel with many white liberals such as Janeane Garofalo who get on TV and yakk about the "limbic systems" of white teabaggers, as if this movie comedienne knows anything about the science of this.  Or with the blog commenters who grasp the racism ring to hold onto as we lose another battle (the battle for true health care reform).  They seem to be saying "what can we DO with such material?  No wonder we keep losing."  

Such folks think they are being up-front leftists speaking truth to power.  I think they are making excuses for our continuing failure to achieve that which we think we ought to be able to achieve.  They are the whining of losers, salve for the wounds, but ultimately a debilitating crutch.

This progressive politics is HARD, and we have to be in it for the long term.

One can do many things on the Internet, but ultimately we're better served by trying to follow the rule that you shouldn't say on the Internet something about someone that you wouldn't say to his face.  The thing about someone like Molly Ivins is that she was following that rule - one never got the feeling that she wouldn't say to Bush's face anything she ever said about Bush in print.

And that is the legitimate kernel of Lind's piece.  Yes, I know, remarks such as his have been used by Southern racists forever to "invert" the discussion and turn the focus away from themselves.  But that doesn't mean that reaching for the racism explanation in the middle of a heated battle not really about race is good strategy.

It isn't.

I want to win these battles, not make excuses to myself for losing,

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


Why I disagree with sTIVO (4.00 / 4)
Barack Obama is the most talented proponent of your recommended strategy one could possibly imagine. You might even say that he's its living embodiment.

What has it gotten him? What has it gotten us? If he's to be more than a purely ceremonial head of state, he'd better get cracking. If we want to end both the injury and the insult from the usual suspects, so had we.

Go ahead and fight on the ground chosen for you by your mortal enemies. In my opinion, you'll lose their votes anyway. You have my blessing, but I'm gonna look for another army.


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I'm neither defending nor attacking Obama (0.00 / 0)
On the Health Care issue, which he has raised to paramount importance ahead of all other issues, he may be certainly be criticized.  Was it really necessary to take Medicare for All off the table at the start and was this smart strategy.  I don't think so, although I cannot say for sure that the opposite strategy would have been more successful.  We're comparing a strategy not followed with one followed, discussing a hypothetical.  

And the battle is not over.  If something passes and it's ultimately judged good by the American people, then politically, it will have been a success, even if it has to be reworked again a few years down the road.  If nothing passes or what passes is judged bad, it will be a failure.  The dice have been rolled, and we don't yet know where they will land.

But on the topic at hand, are you honestly recommending to me that what Obama should have done instead is to call out all his opponents from Baucus to Palin as a bunch of racists?  Or that we should have done that?  Is that the strategy you think would have worked?  I don't believe you think that.


sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


[ Parent ]
See Paul's reply to you above (4.00 / 4)
It was a more detailed appraisal of our differences than I have time for today, unfortunately. I would only add that Obama doesn't have to be a captive of the narratives prepared for him, even though calling Sarah Palin the racist which she clearly is is a job better suited to us than to him.

The way he rejects being bagged is the same way all effective presidents have rejected it. 1) Pick battles which undermine the prevailing narrative, and which you can win. 2) Choose allies who are your allies. 3) Win. Once you've won a few, the nigger-baiters will have to be more careful. Win a few more, and they'll be too busy licking their wounds to try anything so aggressive and stupid again. Driving Old Dixie down, and then putting your foot on its neck, is the only way to stop this nonsense.


[ Parent ]
This is a better argument (4.00 / 1)
which lessens the difference between us.

To deal with your three points:


1) Pick battles which undermine the prevailing narrative, and which you can win.

I think he would say he was following this strategy.  I believe he still thinks he can win this battle.  I am not ready to state flatly that he's wrong, though I would have preferred a strategy that unambiguously targeted the health insures and big pharma as enemies of the American people.  But the more limited and problematical victory he still might achieve might be enough to count as a win.  Or not.  We simply don't have enough data yet, although pessimism is justified.

2) Choose allies who are your allies.

Here I totally agree with you.  The way Obama has treated his activist base is disgraceful.  Contrast this with the kid gloves Republicans show to their base.  And I largely agree with Paul here, too.  "Exclude the left" is both bad in itself and self defeating for centrist Democrats who then get the left-wing label pinned on them ANYWAY and no longer can use them as a foil by which to make themselves appear more reasonable.  He will pay a price down the road for this and he will deserve it.

3) Win. Once you've won a few, the nigger-baiters will have to be more careful. Win a few more, and they'll be too busy licking their wounds to try anything so aggressive and stupid again.

Here, again, like 1, Obama may feel he's doing this, and while he may be wrong, it's too early to say that definitively.  When whatever passes passes we'll have enough time to effectively evaluate this issue.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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Obama May FEEL Like He's Following William's Strategy (0.00 / 0)
but he's clearly not.

Surrounding himself with the sort of advisers he's chosen only strengthens the feeling, in direct contradiction of the facts on the ground.

So totally unlike Bush and so totally identical at the same time.

Where are the X-Files when we really need them?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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What If It's Even HARDER Than You Imagine? (4.00 / 2)
I think it's admirable that you want to win, sTiVo.  And no doubt there's an element of truth in saying that calling out racism can be an easy out as opposed to actually winning one or another battle.

But what if we're not going to win anyway?  What if Obama's health care plan sucks? As, indeed, it does?  What if most of his agenda sucks, and owes far, far more to corporate America than it does to all the poor schlubs who worked their asses off for him?

What then?

Maybe the choice is not between radical transformation and incremental reform.

Maybe, just maybe, we need to attack the very roots of our problems in order to even begin fighting the right sorts of battles for incremental reforms.

Let me be clear: I do not think for a minute that the problem is individual racism.  It's not.  It's the system of group dominance that Sidanius and Pratto describe and analyze via social dominance theory.  The individual attitudes--social dominance orientation--are a key part of that theory, but they are only part of it.  And what I'm doing here is not even primarily about them.  It's about the central part of their theory--the role of legitimating myths, which take those attitudes as inputs and spit out justified social policies and structures of inequality as their outputs.

This whole series of diaries about Lind is, ultimately, about the weaving of legitimating myths--those that legitimate the persistence of racial hegemony, and those that legitimate opposition to it.

In short, I don't think the points you raise are invalid in themselves.  At least not the vast majority of them.  They all have some validity.  But one needs to evaluate them in terms of the actual big picture, and this is where our basic disagreement comes from.

My view is that racism has to be confronted on all fronts.  And all the moreso by white folks like me as other white folks try to pretend that there's nothing to talk about anymore.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I think I've imagined all the harder you have (0.00 / 0)
But where are we?

Are we really no better off with this Barack Obama in the White House than we would have been with John McCain as President?

I don't think so.  In that case we would have still been in the "unite to defeat the Republicans" phase, still further from the clarity that having now experienced a Democratic administration has brought.

As I said in my first post, I have no problem with your approach to understanding the ways in which racism alters our outcomes.  You are a serious thinker and what you say always is worth reading.

I haven't said so, but many of your critiques of Lind have merit.

But it's still too facile.  There are smart ways and dumb ways to attack racism and too many of the ways people on our side have chosen to respond are dumb ways that hurt us in the short run and even the long run.  I have called out a few specifically, none of which you have responded to.  What makes this galling is the fact that we love to tell each other how smart we are and how stupid they are.  

We ain't going to "win the war" against the right in this term and I never expected to.  I will, nonetheless, consider it a job well done if we are closer at the end than we were at the beginning.  

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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I don't follow your logic (0.00 / 0)
"In that case we would have still been in the "unite to defeat the Republicans" phase, still further from the clarity that having now experienced a Democratic administration has brought"

Seems to me that we are now in a "unite to defeat conservative Democrats and Republicans", do you consider that a step forward?

Maybe I'm just being dense, but what "clarity" have we experienced during this Democratic administration? Check that. Obama has provided clarity on the issue of whether he is more interested in making nice to the corporatists and oligarchs than making any real effort at reforming the healthcare system or the war and detention policies set up by the last Administration. What's he next "bipartisan" plan? Cheney as DNI?  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Lind's intellectual laziness (4.00 / 5)
Reading Lind reminds of when I was ten years old and would hide in my grandparents' closet. All of the old clothes with their faded styles and strange smells reminded me of some bygone era that I had never experienced by could imagine - albeit in a highly caricatured way by being in that suffocating closet.  It was easy to hide there, but being in that room played strange games on my imagination.

Now here comes Michael Lind, who, rather than looking at the profound demographic, economic, and political shifts that have taken place in the South over the past forty years - like Earle and Merle Black have done - remains content to step back into the surreal comfort of his grandparents closet.  It's ironic that the whatever "scholarship" that "has been wasted" owes to Lind's efforts, and, ironically, he seems to be aware that it exists.  

But the pernicious lie that Lind offers has a long and venerable intellectual history, and its shorthand for an simple idea that will surely appeal to the Chris Matthews of the world. Moreover, Lind's analysis stays at the Jerry Springer level of interpersonal insult and anger that people in the MSM love, hence the focus on the screamers to begin with.

I would love to see what Bill Moyers could do with this phenomenon.  He grew up in the south and regrets the role he played in the southern strategy.  A show with Bill Moyers, Merle and Earle Black and Kevin Phillips would do wonders in showing that Lind's liberal elite emperor truly has no clothes, or, more colloquially, that dog don't hunt.        


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