Two-Party Fail

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Aug 16, 2009 at 20:30


I've written a lot about partisan realignments over the past several years.  Above all, I've repeatedly pushed the idea that they happen with surprising regularity, like this:


Partisan Balance In US History

Through Six Party Systems

Control of Presidency, House & Senate


Dem-Reps: 12 / Feds: 2 / Split: 1

Dem-Reps: 9 / Whigs: 1 / Split: 7

Dems: 1 / Reps: 9 / Split: 8

Dems 3 / Reps: 12 / Split: 3

Dems: 13 / Reps: 1 / Split: 4

Dems: 3 / Reps 2.25 / Split: 13.75

While the realignment of 1932 is the most archetypal and among the most consequential, it can be quite misleading to think of it as the model.  Indeed, there were two realignments in which one of the parties was totally destroyed, and other was radically transformed.  In view of how little "change we can believe in" is actually happening post-2008, and how utterly blob-like the GOP has become, perhaps it's worth considering the possible lessons we might draw from the realignments of 1828 and 1860, both of which revolved around slow-moving scenarios in which both major parties failed in fundamental ways, two of them so profoundly that they ceased to exist.

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First off, we're working with a very small data set here, so there's no pretense of statistical scientific reasoning.  We're talking about historical arguments that try to make sense of surprising regularities that still encompass a good deal of non-repeating variation.

In particular, both the examples referred to saw the second parties disintegrate before the realigning elections referred to.  In one case, the party that died was replaced by another sub-dominant party, in the other, it was replaced by the new dominant party, so that prevents any sort of too simplistic reading of what's involved.  However, in both cases the previously-dominant party diminished significantly in terms of cross-regional vitality.

I think it's highly unlikely that either party today would cease to exist the way that first the Federalists, then the Whigs disintegrated in the 19th Century.  The institutional structures of the parties are vastly more deeply entrenched at this point in time, and our entire political system is far more developed than it was 150 years ago and more.  And yet, it is possible that massive reorganizing shifts could take place in a relatively short period of time that would leave one or both parties substantially changed from what they are like today.  So let's review the historical logic of how these realignments came about.

The First Party System pitted the Federalists against the Democratic-Republicans.  At first, there were no parties, and the Federalists existed pretty much in the sense of the Washington Administration and its allies.  It was the Democratic Republicans who actually initiated the idea of organizing outside of officeholding--something that so offended the Federalist's delicate sensibilities that they passed the highly repressive Alien and Sedition Acts, which took dead aim at foreigners and opposition newspaper editors--though it also ended up putting one Congressman in jail.  The ultimate result was a sweeping victory for the Democratic-Republicans in 1800, after which they never lost a national election.

The 1816 presidential election wasn't even close:

But in 1820, they didn't even really have an election.   And in 1824, it was strictly an intramural affair, with all the presidential candidates coming from the Democratic-Republican Party, which ended up being decided in the House of Representatives.  The winner, John Quincy Adams, was the son of the John Adams, the only unambiguous Federalist candidate to win the presidency. Adams left his father's party because he came to feel it had become a regional party, representing regional interests rather than the national interest.  A telling sign of what was to come.

The Federalists failed as a party for a very simple reason: they could not abide an opposition party to exist, and they tried to stamp it out, seriously misjudging how people would respond to that.  The Democratic-Republicans enjoyed a brief period of complete dominance, but failed to develop a means for ensuring an orderly succession of power.  While the emergence of regional and ideological differences was surely inevitable, a more rationally constituted party was certainly possible... or at least conceivable.

As it was, the Democratic Party that emerged under Andrew Jackson from 1828 onward was relatively coherent as long as Jackson was around.  And so was the opposition--they opposed Jackson.  Coalescing eventually into the White Party, they were the oddest of our major parties: anti-Jackson in the North because he was too decentralist, anti-Jackson in the South because he wasn't decentralist enough.

Eventually, this split would tear the party apart, as the issue of slavery turned this basic contradiction into one that could no longer be finesses away.  The Whigs badly lost the last election they contested:

After which the Republican Party and the American Party (the anti-immigrant "Know-Nothings") battled it out to replace the Whigs.  The Republicans were a clearly regional party in their 1856 runner-up role, capturing the lion's share of the former northern Whigs:

And four years later, they triumphed with Lincoln winning less than a 40% plurality, as the Democrats followed suit and split sharply between North and South, backing two different candidates: Stephen A. Douglas, who won almost 30% as the Northern Democratic candidate, but won only a single state, and John C. Breckinridge as the Southern Democratic candidate, who won just over 18% of the vote, but carried every Southern state from Texas to North Carolina:

I first conceived this diary as a simple reminder that it was guite possible for both parties to fail in fundamental ways as part of the same political dynamic, even if one did fail well before the other.  The caution is directly relevant to us today:  just because the GOP is in total failure mode, it's not without precedent that Democrats are showing themselves to be only marginally better, even in a purely functional sense, without any regard to our judgment of how decent their policies may or may not be.

But in light of the discussion that unfolded in my previous diary, "What's Wrong With The Democratic Party, Part #74,397", in which there was much talk of abandoning the Democrats and starting third parties, I think there's a second lesson to be learned from these examples: Party fragmentation is a very real political threat.  However tantalizing it may be to dream of a party that purely represents us and only us, there is no precedent for such a party in American history--although there are brief moments when it does appear otherwise.

While I fully share the disgust that others have expressed here, the reality is that American political parties are not so much homes as they are arenas for conflict, or "sites of struggle" as they say in the trade.  My own view is that one should look for purity and unity of purpose in issue activism--and devote one's energy accordingly.  Make the party a vehicle for advancing your issue activism, do not expect it to be more than that, and you will have created realistic expectations which it can fulfill--if you do your issue organizing well enough.

But if you try to make the party--any party--the be all and end all of your political activism and political identity, then you are bound for disappointment at best, and may well find yourself lost and abandoned as the forces of history have shown themselves quite capable of tearing parties apart, and scattering their pieces to the wind.

To end on a more prosaic note, Ian's "Shorter Sebelius" diary highlights one of the most pressing problems we face: under Obama, the Democrats seem determined to pass "health care reform" that will tax tens of millions of Americans who can't afford it to fill the coffers of insurance companies.

It's like a plan that Karl Rove would dream up--except that he's nowhere near clever enough to figure out how to get the Democrats to propose something that politically stupid.  Only the Democrats could come up with that on their own.  Fortunately, the plan doesn't go into effect immediately, so that if it is passed, we will have an election cycle in which to make repeal of this idiocy the defining issue of primary fights that could and should be like none the party has ever seen.

But we can't do that if everyone who's feed up just leaves the party in disgust.

And good luck getting the voters to follow you.

What voters usually do in such terrible circumstances is simple: they just stay home.

So, again, my plea is simple: don't think with your gut.  Consider the lessons of history, and think strategically.  Things are very grim right now, much, much grimmer than most folks probably thought possible a few short months ago.  But they've been far, far grimmer at earlier points in our history.

Persevere.


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Two-Party Fail | 35 comments
Maybe we do need new parties... (4.00 / 2)
And without a doubt, we need a new political structure! While I still have much respect for our Founding Fathers & Mothers, a nation of our size doesn't need such anti-democratic institutions like the Senate & the Electoral College to prevent people's voices from being heard. And with the Republicans jumping off the crazy cliff while far too many Democrats trying to "split the difference" between jumping just halfway down the crazy cliff and all the way down, maybe there's a real chance the Greens & Libertarians will one day take advantage of both major parties imploding.

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)

Why not Greens? (4.00 / 5)
In an earlier thread several people commented that we need to start a new third party.  Personally I am of the "fix the Democratic Party" mind, but for those who believe that their time and talents would be best spent on a third party, I am curious why they talk about starting a third party versus joining an existing third party -- Greens or something else.

So I am posting this comment on the top of this thread in hopes some of those folks will chime in.  I have a theory but I would like to hear from others.

If you live on Chicago's north side, get involved in Northside DFA.
www.northsidedfa.com


Track Record (0.00 / 0)
My guess is the track-record and baggage of the Green party wards off a lot of outsiders. People who've done work there also report that the national leadership is entrenched and fairly out of touch. The US Greens have been around for a few decades, and have never built a coalition beyond their base of upper/upper-middle class educated white liberals who are disaffected w/the Democratic party.

Doesn't seem like a good vehicle for much.

Me | My Work | Future Majority


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re (4.00 / 3)
But in light of the discussion that unfolded in my previous diary, "What's Wrong With The Democratic Party, Part #74,397", in which there was much talk of abandoning the Democrats and starting third parties, I think there's a second lesson to be learned from these examples: Party fragmentation is a very real political threat.  However tantalizing it may be to dream of a party that purely represents us and only us, there is no precedent for such a party in American history--although there are brief moments when it does appear otherwise.

the problem is that it never represent us, all it does is cave, cave, cave

as you said in your 'what's wrong' diary:

You keep a diverse party together by giving everyone something important that they want, and asking them to sacrifice something less vital.  You don't ask all the sacrifices to come from the same people all the time, and you damn sure don't yell obscenities at them when they push back.

when was the last time we got something important?

bail out? stimulus? torture investigation? supreme court nomination?  


But, why do they cave? (4.00 / 7)
They cave because they're not afraid of their base.  That's also why the Republicans refuse to cave.  They're afraid of their base.

Until the progressive left starts running more, and more effective primary challenges, this shit is going to happen.  It's not a reason to leave the Democratic party.  It's a reason to organize and fight.  


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re (4.00 / 4)
It's a reason to organize and fight.

organize and fight for what?

to get the white house, the house, a filibuster-proof senate and then get what we get now?

I don't want everything, but throw me a bone once in a while


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I'm not talking about putting Democrats into office (4.00 / 6)
I'm talking about replacing bad Democrats with better ones.

I'm talking about running primaries Specter, Nelson and Conrad and their ilk.  THAT is when they will take the progressive base seriously.


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Give the Dems a reason to throw it. (4.00 / 1)
With these animals, the only way you're going to get them to toss you some bones is to scare them off and dine on the kill yourself.  Invite your buddies over to help (there is, after all, strength in numbers).



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climate change legislation? gblt rights? (4.00 / 3)
forgot those...

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labor issues too (4.00 / 3)
remember how we were going to pass efca? if only we had 60 senators...

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this is a great and insightful article (4.00 / 2)
Both for its coverage of history, and for its relevance today. I've always tried to understand how new political parties are born and how they die. Not just how, but why. It's a tough topic to tackle. I really do wonder what the future of the Republicans (and Democrats) is going to be, and what it means for progressives.

After studying and teaching US history (4.00 / 4)
At the collegiate level in recent years, I became increasingly convinced that the Civil War is misunderstood when we call it a "sectional" conflict.

It was instead an occasion where the two parties concluded their differences were irreconcilable given the existing political system, and that the only option was to destroy the other one through actual warfare.

It helped that the two parties were highly regional, but as the history of many, many other civil wars has shown, it is equally as common for two parties with less solid regional bases to go to war with each other when they have decided they cannot coexist within the system any longer.

Which gets me to what is really my core point: parties tend to fail when they are unable to adapt to changing circumstances. In the 1850s it was the failure of both the national parties - the Whigs and the Democrats - to adapt to deep, even fundamental changes in the nation's politics, economy, society, culture, and values. They wanted to preserve a system built on amoral compromise, founded in 1787, which by 1850 had become totally unworkable. That ensured the 1850s and 1860s would see massive political change, although historians will always debate whether it was necessary that the change be ultimately decided on the battlefield.

This isn't to say that civil war looms, though since 2003 or so I have felt that the possibility had become nonzero for the first time in a very long time. No, I'm saying that both the main parties in the present-day US are totally failing to adapt to a totally changed landscape. The political institutions and assumptions and practices of the 20th century are no longer appropriate or even effective for the problems of the 21st century and are incongruent with our values.

The parties can either adapt, or more likely, they will catastrophically fail. They may live on in name, but will have been radically transformed, along with the country as a whole.


Robert, do you have room (4.00 / 1)
for a Senator or two in your shark tank down there?

Let's talk!


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What's Truly Distressing To Me (4.00 / 3)
Is that I had to write this piece.

Why isn't this sort of historical perspective showing up all over the place?

As you say, the potential from the right has been visible for some time, and now that the Obama Administration has been in place for more than half a year, it should be obvious how little grasp they have of the situation.

But how can we have a serious discussion of such profound failure on an historical scale, when we can't even focus on the symptoms?  I just heard Mark Potok again on KPFK Sunday, touching on the fact that the DHS warning about rightwing violence was basically retracted, and has not been seriously revisited after a spate of incidents has shown how prescient it was.

From a historical perspective, it seems so obvious that the refusal to seriously confront this violentization of politics is part and parcel of the process of basically contributing to it.  The Democrats still can't bear to think clearly about the stealing of the 2000 election, for example.

You do not stop this drift toward the abyss by denying its existence.  Closing your eyes does not make it go away.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Other facts (4.00 / 1)
The Republicans were going the way of the Federalists but got rescued by southern Dem inspired balanced budgets.  Afer the 1936 election they were at 17 Senators (18%) and 88 House members (20%).  I can go through a chart similar to yours from 1930 through 1946 but the Republicans fell out of control in two rapid swoops (1930,1932) and kept falling further(1934,1936).

The most interesting thing is the third party vote.  The most recent peak was in 1936 with 13 third party House members.  That overstates the vote as all 13 were either Farmer Labor members from Minnesota or Progressive members from Wisconsin.  The last time third party membership in the House hit 10% was in 1896.  Two conclusions from this: third party elections are tough to pull off and severe economic downturns are needed (the Great Depression, the Pasnic of 1893) for even a modest third party showing.

The three big economic downturns (10% unemployment,5 years or more) each produced political chaos.  The pre Civil War problems were certainly made worse by the Panic of 1857.  A big bestseller of the time by Hinton Helper blamed slavery for the economic problems of the country.


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Yes And No (0.00 / 0)
I think it's good to raise the example of the GOP in the '30s, even though I ultimately disagree.

Regarding that point, two consecutive wave elections is pretty much the hallmark of a realignment, which is what we saw in '30 and '32.  The Dem victories beyond '32 merely maintained those gains.  While the GOP was down, there were vast resources in the business community as well related social infrastructure that was far more extensive than anything the Whigs or Federalists ever had. Furthermore, it was FDR himself who mistakenly believed that balanced budgets were necessary, an indication of the tenacity of intellectual framework that the GOP represented.

In short, I don't think the GOP was ever close to the sort of total dissolution that befell the Federalists and the Whigs, though it certainly was in considerable disarray.

On the Third Party points you make, I agree completely.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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i'd like to propose an entirely new meme. (4.00 / 2)
democrats are not spineless at all.

they fight with vigor and resolve.  they draw lines in the sand.

they are dutiful and loyal soldiers for corporate interests.

why do people feel disappointed when their reps fail to fight for progressive interests?  i learned that lesson back in the 20th century, before i turned 20.  i voted for cynthia mckinney, and am extremely satisfied with my decision.  i certainly did not "throw my vote away."  


thank you paul for broaching these issues. (4.00 / 1)
it's kind of like the work i do on myself.  i look at myself in the mirror as objectively as i can, bringing in input from family and friends.  i focus like a laser on my weak spots, and strive to improve myself.

it hurts, it hurts, it is painful, and it hurts.

my ego tells my sweet nothings about how others are full of shite, and how i really am great.  but another voice concedes that i have so much room for improvement.

this past few months have shown us so much about us.  there is no way to avoid the hard truths.  

are we ready to possibly lose some elections in the short term in order to build a legit 3rd party?  maybe greens, maybe an entirely new party.  

what about those that are emotionally invested in the duality of the current 2 party system?  


argh. (0.00 / 0)
my spelling errors undermine the point i'm trying to make.  

Perservere? (4.00 / 2)
To the very end. My father always said "life is not for the chickenhearted."

Montani semper liberi

See my entry for today. (4.00 / 3)
I wrote my own response to this.  My opinion, for what it's worth, is that it is indeed time for progressives to dump the Democrats and form - or, rather, reform - the Progressive Party.  Without that threat of losing power, there is no incentive for office-holding Democrats to listen to their party's base.  As long as we are realistic about our goals and what we do to achieve them, a third party can at the very least radically alter the existing political landscape.  And unlike those of us who talk about third parties as a concept, I am talking about one that already exists, has been around for almost a century, and is homegrown (the Greens in America sprung up based on a German political organization, if I'm not mistaken).



Look At Your Own Historical Data (0.00 / 0)
A successful third party just isn't in the works.  (So the elites are happy to see you go spin your wheels trying that, btw.) But primary runs certainly are.  

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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Which, again, isn't an "overnight" phenomenon. (0.00 / 0)
Even the Progressive Party or the early 20th Century required a series of events as well as the steady disintegration f the existing political system in order to have any serious impact.  The conditions under which that impact was made took years to develop.  Nevertheless, when the progressives took stage in 1912, they did help usher in a major realignment.  One cannot lightly dismiss it.  My point is that, as long as we understand that the goal of a strong third political party it to cause a similar political realignment (any formation of a dominant structure would merely be icing on the proverbial cake), a third party can and likely will be successful in help progressives today achieve tomorrow's goals.  We cannot afford to let fear prevent us from taking the needed steps now.



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By the way. (0.00 / 0)
The elites are even happier to see the left do nothing, because it means we're not dissatisfied enough with the status quo to risk loss in order to make big political gains.  it's the fear of loss that cripples your thinking, Mr. Rosenberg, but in that you are by no means alone.  The powerful benefit from having you give up the fight.  Primary runs are fine.  I support them.  But we have to have a backup in the event they don't work.  We limit our options when we fail to have strong third party candidates on hand to continue pushing right-wing Democrats out or to the political left.



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Fear of Loss??? Crippled Thinking??? (0.00 / 0)
You are totally clueless about me, Sir.

I've spent most of my life as an issue activist.  I have no status at all inside the Democratic Party, so what, exactly, am I afraid of losing?

This sort infantile pop-psychologizing is the exact opposite of the sort of structural/historical thinking we so desperately need if we are to effect real and lasting change.  

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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You're sure demonstrating it. (0.00 / 0)
Really, how do you propose to change the Democratic party through primaries alone?  If you can't win enough of them, you're not going to get the incumbents to change their tunes in any meaningful way.  There has got to be the real risk of losing support in a general election, otherwise the corporate Democrats have no incentive to take the left seriously.



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Who Said Primaries Alone? (0.00 / 0)
I said primaries instead of third party runs.

That's merely to show that one can oppose openly from within.

There are many other things one can do, which everyone knows quite well.  But the argument is that none of these work, therefore we must throw them overboard and set off in the never-worked-before strategy of third-party building.

Given the nature of America's political system, third parties are fundamentally irrelevant at best, and usually actively destructive.  (See Nader's role in electing Bush in 2000.)

I am all for election reforms that would change that, and I fully supported the New Party's fusion strategy--which no less than the Supreme Court arbitrarily struck down.

But without those reforms in place first, third-party activism only strengthens conservative Dems against progressive Dems, and Republicans against Democrats.

That's just simply the way it is.  Period.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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I got it. (0.00 / 0)
You don't want to use third party runs.  You think it's a waste of time, money, and resources.  The problem with this strategy is that you have left yourself without any other option should a primary fail than to either support the bad Democrat or stay home.  Either option defeats the overall strategy.  How, if a primary election fails to yield you results, do you expect to hold the recalcitrant Democrat accountable?

Again, stop being afraid to take risks.  Democrats have no incentive right now to listen to their party's base because they have no fear of losing our votes to other political organizations.  Instead of making excuses for why building a viable third party can't be done, try building and running it first.  No, results won't be gotten overnight.  It'll take at least a generation before any third party grows enough to mount any kind of serious challenge.  But the way you're using guarantees failure.  THAT is the way it is.



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There is a fundemental difference (4.00 / 3)
in how parties are run now versus how they were run before the McGovern reforms of '72:
primaries.

The reason we are extremely unlikely to see the two parties replaced is because it is far easier to take a party over by running in primaries than it is to start a new party.


third party (0.00 / 0)
DSUSA

Party realignment please! (4.00 / 1)
I have felt for some time that both major U.S. parties are overdue for fragmentation and realignment.

I think the deepening and more-or-less permanent economic crisis (not buying the green-shoots happytalk!) will probably be the trigger.

Sure, major national parties are expected to be big tents encompassing a lot of interests and tendencies.  But I think fault lines are showing up in both the Repubs and Dems that are not reconcilable.

The realignment I would like to see is progresive/populist vs. corporate.  For that to work, the progressive populists (now mostly progressive Dems) would have to win over a segment of populist Repubs, while overcoming their nativist and racist tendencies.  

The corporate whore Demos would happily side with their their Repub counterparts, making up, what, maybe 10% of the population.  Joined with the imperalist/neocon/milarist authoritarians, maybe 20%.

Not clear what would happen in this scenario with the honest liberarians (all dozen of them), and the bible thumpers.


Oops! I meant libertarians (0.00 / 0)
Not librarians.  I assume the librarians side with the progressive/populists, and help to overcome any know-nothing tendencies.   ;-)

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3rd parties do hurt the party they siphon support from (0.00 / 0)
We've got a lot of examples of that recently.  Buchannan's party hurt Bush senior.  Nader hurt Gore.  I don't think that they even had an effect on the party they drew member's from either.  It was a waste.  

There's always going to be a "Better Hitler Than Blum" Attitude (4.00 / 1)
Among Many middle-class people in America (referring to the slogan of the French right-wing in the 30's that preferred Hitler than Socialist Leo Blum).

No governing party will ever "belong to us" in the sense that the Republicans are the "home" of the right wing. That's only possible because they want cultural matters and are utterly ignorant and slogan chanting morons on matters of economics. Whenever a right-wing populist idea comes along it suffers the fate of Mike Huckabee and gets crushed.

All that can be done is to enforce some party discipline. And this will be resisted massively. Because right now the Democrats are a corporate party and if the progressive base takes over and demands more conformity, or even that they do what we want for a change then the corporate lobbyists will totally oppose them.

It's just all about money.

There's simply no chance of the Democratic party dissolving the way the Whigs did. That happened because Southern Whigs split off in support of slavery.

But, Southern Democrats are mostly minorities and they aren't going anywhere -- especially since the nativist racists of the right wing are only going to grow MORE strident in their hate, as they face the political wilderness.

Bush was able to finesse them with "immigration reform" that never went anywhere, but now they're out of power, there's no party leader who can enforce an unpopular compromise in order to cover up their racism and extremism.

And that isn't going to help them recapture the White House or Congress.


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