No, We Can't Wait

by: Adam Bink

Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 10:30


I have been hearing from friends and family members about health care reform a great deal, many of them telling me phrases like "politics is the art of the possible", "half a loaf is better than no loaf at all", "it's time to end the gridlock." While in some contexts I would agree that it's time to compromise, we're not at that point yet on health care.

Today, House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, normally one of the more taciturn members of Congress, endorsed that argument.

Meanwhile,  Rep. James E. Clyburn (S.C.), the third-ranking Democrat in the House, said he has been reminding his party colleagues that Congress passed multiple, piecemeal civil rights bills in the 1960s and that activists had to put off demands for voting rights until 1965 to win a landmark ban on employment discrimination in 1964.

"LBJ made it very clear a half a loaf is better than no loaf at all," Clyburn said Wednesday. "We should do what can be done immediately and use the time between now and 2013 to figure out how to do the rest."

No, we shouldn't. Major attempts at health care reform comes along only once in a generation- as Ezra Klein pointed out, once every 19.5 years. We're not going to have another major shot at this anytime soon. Folks who are saying we should do what everyone agrees upon now- a ban on discrimination based on pre-existing conditions, a ban on dropping sick people from coverage, a ban on annual caps- and fix it later don't get that. When the horrible Medicare Part D bill was passed in 2003, a give-away to insurance companies and a nightmare for seniors, did Democrats go back and fix it when they took the majority in 2007? What about the 2005 bankruptcy bill, provisions of which that exempted derivatives from regulation helped lead towards the current financial crisis? The Military Commissions Act?

If arguments that the worst abuses under Republicans can be corrected later when Democrats are in charge are completely without basis in evidence, I don't know what makes Jim Clyburn expect that we'll just fix health care reform later, like it's as easy as changing a lightbulb. We'd be banking on not only picking up seats in the 2010 elections, which historically does not happen during a Democratic President's midterm, but we would need to pick up the seats of folks who actually would support a public option in the Senate. As Chris writes, Chris Dodd is already on the ropes, and we may lose Delaware. Who are we banking on for pickups that will actually commit to voting for a public option and hold firm? Mongiardo or Conway in Kentucky? Melancon, a Blue Dog, in Louisiana?

And what happens in between attempts? More people will lose their coverage, the uninsured will go uninsured, and premiums for people like me will continue to go up. Will our institutional allies have as much money and resources to spend on the ground? Will President Obama be as popular, and have as much capital and political favors as he does now? Oh, wait, he's already down to 50% in multiple polls. But I bet Clyburn would have told us with his crystal ball six months ago that his popularity would always remain above 60% for the first year of his term.

There are too many, to quote Rumsfeld, known unknowns in this hypothetical. We have to do it all now and make the Republicans vote against reform that will help their constituents. To do otherwise would be to take a very large gamble at a very large cost.

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No, We Can't Wait | 22 comments
"We should do what can be done immediately" Public option can be done! (4.00 / 2)
So, Clyborn should be taken by his words and shown that the public option has strong support in the House and Senate. It can be done! Abandoning it wouldn't result in half a loaf, but actually only in a quarter. Single payer is the other half that the progressives already cut away in order to show their cooperation. Another cut wouldn't be only too much, but also totally unnecessary.

The evidence supports that: It's known by know that the false co-op compromise doesn't achieve anything at all, since the republicans oppose any Dem healthcare reform. So, the Dems are on their own anyway, and there is no reason not to push for the best bill they can muster. And of all the alternatives, public option has the strongest and determined support in Congress. Senator Conrad's alternative hasn't inspired any enthusiasm at all.

So, public option can be done, and there's no reason to settle for less. Representative Clyburn, progressives expect you now to do everything in your might to ensure it becomes law. Show us that actions will follow your words!


You are Absolutely right! This "half loaf" only helps (4.00 / 6)
private insurance industry.  Banning denying people based on pre-existing condition or banning recissions will only provide private insurance industry a REASON to raise insurance premiums.  


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Doesn't anyone keep their powder dry anymore? (4.00 / 3)
It's hard to keep up with the ever changing fashions in the Excuse Industry.

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So we wait another 19 years to even get rid of preexisting conditions (0.00 / 0)
How is that a good thing, to end up with nothing and wait another 19 years to even do the stuff that everyone agreed on now?

Since the "public option" mandate is a guaranteed market (4.00 / 2)
... for the insurance companies, they'll doubtless invest a portion of that income stream in further efforts on K Street to prevent real reform.

That's why the excrementalist model is a FAIL. Clyburn's civil rights precedent is off-point -- LBJ may have done that incrementally, but LBJ also didn't give Bull Connor and the KKK a guaranteed income stream, either.

If we end up with a mandate that forces millions to buy junk insurance, and then we put service-cutting Medicare "entitlement reform" on top of that (800 of HR3200's 1000 pages are devoted to that, let us remember) the Democrats really could leave us worse off than before.

That's why no bill is better than a bad bill. Since it doesn't kick in until 2013 anyhow, what on earth is the rush?

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some excellent openlefting there! (4.00 / 1)
which means, of course, you forgot the rest of the quote:

Like many Democrats, however, Clyburn said that he does not believe Grassley and other Republicans are negotiating in good faith and that the White House should pull the plug on efforts to draft a bipartisan bill when lawmakers return to Washington after Labor Day. With hefty margins in the House and the Senate, Clyburn said, Democrats will be better off when "the White House decides it's time for us to put together our own bill."


Focusing (4.00 / 1)
What's the subject of my post? Is it on how Clybrun is a horrible Democrat and will screw us in the end? No. If it were, I should be including the entire quote, but I'm focusing on the argument that it's okay to wait.


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Yes and No (0.00 / 0)
The yes is as you say, more or less.  The No, however, is due to the fact it will be much easier to improve the state of health care in the following years if a bill passes.  That 20 year time frame is due to the fact that universal health care didn't pass, so each time requires starting from scratch again.  The worse possible outcome is nothing passes and we get back to the status quo.

"We choose to go...not because [it is] easy, but because [it is] hard... (4.00 / 1)
...because that goal will serve to measure and organize the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win."

You wanna go the easy way instead, Mark? Aren't you afraid of the soft bigotry of low expectations?


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Easy?? (0.00 / 0)
....

{never mind.  i need to stay out of this.  right now, at this time it is best the progressives think this way.  i shouldn't argue against it.}


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There will be a bill passed Mark. (4.00 / 1)
 Despite your constant attempts to stop the reform halfway, it will inclkude the only compromise we are willing to make. Universal healthcare in a growing Public Option.

The bill will pass and it will have a Robust Public Option with enabling for states that want to put in Single Payer, or there will be no Bill.

If you want a Bill, now that you know what it will take, you have only one option. Support the line in the sand, support the Public Option in word and deed, press for its passage, let the members of congress know there will be no backing up, there will be no standing down.

You have no other path to a Bill Mark. If you continue to press for capitulation you are working to kill reform.

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I'm just sucked into the argument (0.00 / 0)
I actually agree with you.  Sorry about all that.

I do support the Progressive Block and have stated so, but I understand it isn't obvious from most of my posts.  I just get frustrated by what feels very intellectually dishonest...

To me this (the Progressive Block) is about game theory and how to get the best possible result.  But to really play the "game" correctly, you need true believers.  That just won't be me; I don't think that way.


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I support Single Payer. I am a true believer. (0.00 / 0)
Even life is like a game, game theory helps you hunt for food on the veldt. Game theory lets you catch fish. Game theory teaches altruism and common feeling. Systems analysis is game theory.

There is a very famous story, fable, about a swollen river running thick with drowning women and men, and the town organizing madly to pull them from the raging water. And there were ones who didn't help, seeing the numbers of people in the river not slowing, but rising, more and more people being swept down the river. They didn't help but started to move upriver, ignoring the calls from their townsfolk crying for help. They called back as they left, that upriver there was a cause, and if a cause then a cure.

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And then... (0.00 / 0)
...they find a giant faucet, turn the lever, the water stops and everyone is saved!

Wait.  What?


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At the start of hte year... (4.00 / 1)
Clyburn was pushing to postpone a healthcare bill until next year or even further down the road than that...  He was forced to backtrack after Pelosi rapped his knuckles for such a stupid statement.  He's never really been on our side on this issue...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


Individual mandate... (4.00 / 1)
I don't know why the individual mandate isn't the thing on the chopping block, since it seems like the biggest political booby trap.

I don't understand why Republicans aren't saying "the Democrat health care bill will FORCE you to buy health insurance!" The only reasons I can think of are:

1) It would force them to admit that private health insurance is a shitty, overpriced, defective product that people wish they could do without.

2) It happens to be the truth, and Republicans have such a preternatural aversion to the truth that they're likely to avoid it even if it helps them.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


Exactly! AQnd that's the think rethuglicans criticized the most... (4.00 / 1)
..during the campaign last year. So, IF there have to be any offerings for bipartisanship, it should be this. And, of course, progressives shouldn't support any mandate clause without a public option or single payer! It's contrary to everything liberals believe to force people to sign up with private businesses. No way!

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The individual mandate (0.00 / 0)
is a huge handout to the insurance companies disguised as reform. Republicans love corporate handouts, why would they complain?

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#1 reason for public option (4.00 / 1)
I actually think this is the #1 reason for the public option; morality.  If you are going to require people to buy insurance you need to give them the option of not giving that money the folks who murder by spreadsheet.  (That was your term, wasn't it?  I keep using it.)

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Insurance companies (4.00 / 1)
I think the only reason AHIP isn't going full-out blasting the entire bill, calling it socialism etc., and is instead running vague ads calling for bipartisan reform, is because the individual mandate is still in the bill, which, despite the public option, will still send millions of customers their way. That, and they don't want to look like monsters.




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A mistake (0.00 / 0)
You have to ask what it is that causes a healthcare reform effort to stall and be pushed off for another 19.5 years. Is it because only a piecemeal effort is made? Or is it because an overly ambitious effort is made, fails, and the players become so burned by that failure that they don't want to try again.

The Civil Rights acts are a good case in point. These were passed in piecemeal fashion, but the ultimate goal was achieved.

Social Security and Medicare had similar histories. None of them took on their present form in their initial legislation.

Obama and company have made a mistake in presuming that no one would get really upset if they bargained away the public option (they forgot that the public option already WAS the compromise). But those who argue "public option or nothing" forget the history that shows that piecemeal legislation DOES work.


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