America's (Invisible) Liberal Majority

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 08:30


A relatively new commentator here, DTOzone is given to spouting a number of rightwing memes, perhaps most notably:

Wake up and look around you...your in a conservative right wing country.

Elsewhere, in support of this claim, he said that one could find a conservative poll result for every liberal one.  Well, not exactly.  As I've written many, many times, Americans tend to identify as more conservative, but when it comes to policy positions, they tend to be liberals instead.  I sort of stumbled into a sequence of ideas for several diaries today, and citing one of America's leading authorities on the subject seemed to be a good way to kick things off.  James Stimson is a professor of political science at UNC Chapel Hill, and author of Public opinion in America: moods, cycles, and swings.  The following chart is currently on his homepage, and it shows how American public opinion varies considerably over time, but always in a range of predominantly liberal opinion:

As can be seen from the chart above, Reagan benefited in his 1980 election from a record low level of liberalism--but even then the country was more liberal than conservative.  The reason Reagan was elected was not because of his policy positions, but because he connected with people, which is what he'd been paid for for all of his professional life as an actor.  As soon as he took office, the country started moving sharply back in a liberal direction.  So much for his vaunted abilities as "the great communicator."  If communicating his policies was the point--as virtually all political commentators assume--then he was a miserable failure.  Of course, it wasn't that simple.  But that is the false assumption on which the "center-right nation" meme depends.

Some relevant extended passages from Stimson's book on the flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: America's (Invisible) Liberal Majority
On page 76-7, Stimson writes:

The figure he refers to is:

In a further elaboration, framed in terms of discussing the 1994 election and its aftermath, Stimson write, on p. 128:

The problem that liberals and Democrats have is that conservatives and Republicans seem to understand this intuitively, and they craft their political messaging, and all their political strategy, accordingly.  For all their vaunted "reality-based" self-congratulations, liberals and Democrats do not.

In my next diary, I look at the patterns of trifectas in American politics, and the anomaly of the last 40 years, a period that overlaps with the charts in this diary.


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the problem with this polling (0.00 / 0)
is that when asked the vast majority will answer positively to liberal policies that will benefit them and those like them, but when you factor in race, religion, sexual preference and all the things that make groups suspicious of others the poll has much less credibility because those same polled will expose their hate and intolerance that prevents this nation from becoming the shining beacon it should be, remove the con right wing mindset and maybe just maybe this would be a liberal nation in reality and not only in the minds of the idealists.  

Liberals aren't perfect! (4.00 / 1)
And expecting them to be, or reducing the liberal group of the population to only those who are shining beacons of tolerance and political correctness would be a dire failure. Do you want to leave those who hold prejudices of some kind to the rethuglicans? Or isn't it better to convince this group of the value of liberal ideas, and to slowly but surely change their way of thinking?

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Please Re-Read The Above (0.00 / 0)
Stimson says that people have divided loyalties.  The whole trick is whether or not we appeal to what Lincoln called "the better angels of our nature."  (That would be jovial old Earl, from Saving Grace, sipping on a brewski, and looking like he's waiting on the Big Lebowski to show up.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
The point was also raised in QH comments recently... (4.00 / 2)
..by occasional commenter "NR:
http://www.openleft.com/showQu...

Good to see that debunked by you! If progressives think they are fighting against a conservative mood of the majority, they waste efforts on overcoming a resistance that isn't really there, and makes them think too small. The target group for progressive ideas is bigger than they think! Regarding the negative view associated with the label "liberal", it may be reasonable to avoid using it, but this shouldn't keep progressives from "selling" their programs to self identified moderates and even conservatives, with good results!


"reasonable to avoid using it" (4.00 / 3)
Regarding the negative view associated with the label "liberal", it may be reasonable to avoid using it

I disagree with this strongly. Republicans manage to to do far better at the ballot box than the popularity of their policies merit. They have sold "conservative" as a label and they reap great benefits from that. Is it any wonder that people self-identify as conservatives? Republicans have been proudly self-identifying as conservatives and demonizing the "liberal" label as long as I can remember, while Democrats have been running from the liberal label and paying respect to the conservative label. Democrats are losing this game because they don't even suit up and take the field.

Why does this happen? I think it is because our corrupt system rewards Republicans who fight hard and rewards Democrats who are weak and hapless and consistently take a fall and throw the fight.

The majority will never embrace a label that is treated like syphilis by every elected leader and TV personality. The first step in winning is to compete. Voters respect people who stand up for what they believe in, not wishy washy weasels who can't even admit to their most basic political values.

miasmo.com


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Have you noticed (4.00 / 3)
in the healthcare debate, the Cons are, of course, calling for deregulation but not using that word?

Here's Ann Coulter, for example:

http://www.humanevents.com/art...

I think we have made some progress when they wingnuts are afraid to use one of their favorite words.  

Montani semper liberi


And we should also use their favorite words against them... (4.00 / 3)
..which will reduce the value for them significantly. A phrase that is used by both parties to describe their programs can't be used by the GOP as a way to identify their ideas anymore.

Case in point is, of course, "choice"! Coutless columnists, bloggers and commenters have noted recently that the Dems should sell the public option under the headline "choice". People prefer to have the chance to decide what's best for them (if the process isn't too complicated as it is in Medicare Part D), and the public option ensures this. Nobody is forced into it, you chose what you want. This should make sense to moderate conservatives, after all the efforts the republicans have invested in popularizing "choice". Dems shouldn't hesitate now to exploit that for their own purposes!


[ Parent ]
Absolutely! (4.00 / 4)
Along somewhat similar lines, wasn't it just hilarious to see Michele Bachmann using pro-choice language to attack the mythical death panels?

And wasn't Rachel's reaction priceless?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Hilarious! (0.00 / 0)
Well, I don't get msnbc here, so I haven't seen it, but I found the video with google here:
http://scienceblogs.com/gregla...

Hehehe! That nutcase Bachman is always good for a laugh.


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Now, as before (4.00 / 3)
The challenge is to turn operational liberals into symbolic ones too.  A functioning health care system would be a nice "win" for liberalism and antidote to the "government can't work" crowd.  I'll save the obvious bitter comment about how it would be nice if certain Democratic leaders understood this too.


Uh, Daniel, actually the other way round, right? (0.00 / 0)
to turn symbolic liberals into operational ones too? Wasn't that what you meant?

Or, to say it differently, to make liberals in the closet see their true character, and to incite them to have their coming out!
:D


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No, Daniel Had It Right (0.00 / 0)
About half of symbolic conservatives are operational liberals.  We want to turn them into symbolic liberals as well.

Or at least symbolic moderates.

(Only about 1% of symbolic liberals are operational conservatives, btw, according to Free and Cantril.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Just a moment, Daniel didn't meantion CONSERVATIVES! (0.00 / 0)
I thought "operational liberals" is a SUBSET of "symbolic liberals", and that "operational" means those folks act according to their convictions, while the others are like "sleepers". But you're now talking about turning "symbolic conservatives" into "operational liberals". That's quite a difference! So, the point is, those are conservatives in self-identification only, and should be converted into "operational liberals" who openly stand to their convictions?

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No! No! No! No! No! (0.00 / 0)
"Symbolic" refers to political identification, which is often tied to imagery rather than political policy.  If it is tied to policy, it tends to be tied to some fairly abstract proposition, which serves more as a marker of what sort of world the person would like to live in.  There have always been more symbolic conservatives than liberals, as far back as polling goes.

"Operational", also referred to as "programmatic" refers to actual policy positions.  That's where the rubber meets the road.  But people frequently vote against their operational preferences--as with "Reagan Democrats", for example.  The challenge is to find ways to get them to stop doing that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Here is MY poll - Do YOU (4.00 / 1)
- want your neighbor's minister, priest, guru, preacher, rabbi ... making rules about YOUR bedroom?

- want your neighbor's minister, priest, guru, preacher, rabbi... making rules about YOUR kid's education?

- want your neighbor's minister, priest, guru, preacher, rabbi... making rules about what happens in YOUR doctor's visit?

- want your neighbor deciding who you can vote for?

- want your neighbor deciding what you can say in public?

- want a government where only the powerful get to make the rules?

- want a government where the rules benefit ONLY the powerful?

- want to live where there is no running water?

- trust your neighbors to handle their sewage and garbage properly IF there was no sewar system or garbage pick up?

- want to leave it to individuals to make sure your food is safe to eat and drink?

- want to work really hard, come up with a good idea, and have all the money you could make stolen by your boss or someone who is more connected than you?

- want people who are born into powerful families to never work, but the ONLY jobs you can get are serving them, or cleaning up after them, or grovelling to them?

- want the kids of the rich and powerful to be the only ones who can get richer off of new inventions?

...........

o.k. I'm tired of this game, cuz

I EXPECT selfish, greedy, lying, stealing fascist pricks to steal, lie, and screw people over, DUH,

I'm sick of the motherfucking pathetic sell out losers in charge on our side.

rmm.  

It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


Ok, seabos, I see you're totally pissed... (0.00 / 0)
..about the Obama administration kissing the asses of big business, instead of implementing CHANGE. It's an effing SCANDAL, indeed. But this doesn't really help our discussion here about the problems of political self-identification...

Hmm, Paul, maybe we could have an open thread so that our folks can vent their anger?  


[ Parent ]
stuff your 'anger' meme. political self identification (0.00 / 0)
does NOT work cuz the fucking sell outs on our side do NOT fight for policies which over 80% of us agree with.

what do over 80% of us agree with?

ask the questions from my list to a random subset of americans, and I PROMISE you over 80% of them would answer no to my questions, and I think my questions reflect a fairly libeal perspective.

Of course, since our fucking sell outs ...

oops nevermind. let's write a 400 page tome, instead of FIRING the sell outs!

rmm.  

It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


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You're Right (4.00 / 2)
There's a whole vein of popular sentiment that liberal elites shy away from and conservative elites selective mine and twist.  If the liberal elites every lined up with economic populists, it would be all over for the right.

But what stands in the way of this is not just selfish class interest--though that certainly plays a role.  It's also a multi-tiered intellectual tradition, one which Lakoff talks about part of in the course of an excellent post at DKos this week, which I hope to be able to get to writing about later today.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Lakoff Article - We have the fingers of god & yalta in our way. (0.00 / 0)
When you look at what college education has been for the last 2+ centuries in the Amiercan - British empire --- for the most part, the children (male) of the upper classes go and sow some wild oats and meet others of their social class and get some edu-ma-cation, by the way  --- and prepare to be one of the Yalta conference big 3.

Or, be george kennan and george marshall, concocting / implementing some grand stragety in the outer inner circle of Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin.

(the rest of us go to trade schools, like MIT or law for the rich or doctor for the rich or typing school or mechanic school...)

well, do the math. there are only so many george jobs and big 3 jobs to go around, and it ain't too many.

HOWEVER, we have a HUGE class who feel somewhat entitled to the mahogany panelled room with the fireplace and the sherry - all maintained by some anonymous help.  In their minds, they're training to be 1 of the georges or 1 of the big 3 --- NOT one of the minions who has to figure out how many asshole hotshots are going to need wood in their rooms this winter, and what kinds of booze to order for the assholes and their concubines ...

OF COURSE THESE WANNABE SPOILED F'KERS CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO WIN.

The thugs hire the atewaters and roves and ailes who work and work and work and work on what works to win.

Our side works and works and works on ... my 400 page tome of truth is smarter than your tome of truth! I get the mahogany paneled room with the MARBLE fireplace, neeeener neeeeener!

- I wave my arms, and divisions roll across Poland and the Rhine!
- I put my fingers together, and I create life (see Sistine Chapel, God)

time for the minions to restock the wood, restock the claret, change the sheets ... I'm off to an important meeting!

rmm.

It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


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interesting (0.00 / 0)
It looks like liberalism declines through the Clinton years.  In fact, it seems to roughly correlate with whoever's in the White House -- if it's a Republican, liberalism rises, if it's a Democrat, it declines.

Perhaps those out of power tend to feel more strongly about their politics?


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