Presidential Disconnects

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 12:30


In the diary "Obama, Progressives, and the Question of A Successful Presidency", Robert in Monterey (a historian by training) wrote a comment that I responded to immediately, but felt deserved a good deal more attention than that.  Apparently others agreed as well, since it now has 25 "4"s.

First he wrote about the current administration misreading the political landscape, then he wrote about other recent examples of other administrations doing the same, albeit in somewhat different ways.  I'm going to reproduce what Robert wrote, and tie it back to my argument in the previous diary about the anomalous nature of the Sixth Party System--but with a bit of a twist, because the origins of this pattern of disconnects starts even earlier.  Here's the beginning of Robert's excellent comment:

They've misread the last 8 years

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that Obama and Emanuel have quite fundamentally misread what has happened to American politics the last 8 years (and going back even further, of course). Obama's basic view was that Bush was an irritant - remove him and you remove the cause of the infection in US politics. Without Bush out there sowing division Obama believed he could build a stable center.

Rahm Emanuel's role was to be the force behind that work. For Emanuel, the Obama Administration was an outright restoration. He would pick up right where he left off in 2000, cutting deals of a center-right variety and browbeating a weak progressive bloc into accepting it.

Neither of them have understood how much has changed between 2000 and 2008.

Bush was a symptom, not a cause. The right-wing under Bush became even more entrenched and hostile to anything not conservative and not Republican. They deepened their level of crazy. Obama's belief that he can reach out to these people is stunningly, tragically naive.

Similarly, Emanuel and Obama have not quite grasped how progressives have been changed by 8 years of Bush. We learned that the right-wing is to never be trusted on anything, ever, for any reason.

But we also learned to be extremely sensitive to Democratic efforts to sell us out. The Democratic decision to support the Iraq War initiated dramatic change in the Democratic Party and the progressive movement. We learned to never again let our values be abandoned by our party, and we began 6+ years of organizing work to ensure it would never happen again.

Both Obama and Emanuel seem to believe that we will just quietly fall in line when we are asked to support a compromise that has been drawn up along Republican lines. In doing so they are revealing their immense disconnection from the basic political realities of the day.

That pretty much hits all the high points in the Obama disconnnect.  While this precise articulation of the Whitehouse failure is invaluable, I want to boil it down to something simpler in order to stress what I believe it shares in common with other Democratic disconnects: First, it is Washington-centric.  Second, it is concerned with governance in the now. It does not comprehend how Washington appears to the public at large, nor does it grasp the nature of organized rightwing opposition, which quite unlike it conceives of politics as an unceasing battle--a battle without rules, except as they may be used as weapons, shields, or instruments of deception.

Paul Rosenberg :: Presidential Disconnects
The description I've just given matches up with the points I made in the previous diary about the Sixth Party System, in terms of how rightwing power was built outside the normal parameters of political power in America.  It never occurs to the DC-Centric Democratic establishment to engage the right wing on its own terms, to battle it out no holds barred.  Democrats are always handicapping themselves, most fundamentally by refusing to see how the right is conducting itself--a theme I will expand on more in a later diary.

Here, then, is the rest of Robert's comment, interspersed with my own commentary:

That is a deeply troubling sign. Such a disconnection is what brought down LBJ, who refused to understand the unpopularity of the Vietnam War until it was too late.

In fact, we now know that Johnson himself did not believe in the war, but was obsessed with the idea that he could not afford to abandon Vietnam, for fear of repeating the history of Democratic defeat in the wake of the Korean War:

Telephone Conversation Between President Johnson and Senator Richard Russell, Washington, May 27, 1964, 10:55 p.m.

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Russell:....  We never could actually interdict all their lines of communication in Korea even though we had absolute control of the seas and the air. And we never did stop them. And you ain't going to stop these people either.

Johnson: Well, they'd impeach a president, though, that would run out, wouldn't they?

It was Johnson's failure to even consider the possibility of a pro-active strategy that spelled his doom.  In a very real, very bizarre sense, the fact that he himself did not believe in the war from the very beginning made him virtually impervious to anyone else's criticism. In a very basic sense, he already agreed with the criticism, but felt that he had no choice--which is why he failed to appreciate how that criticism could eventually become even more damaging to him than the attacks he feared from the right.

Military defeat has repeatedly been the wellspring of rightwing activism, even fascism.  Authoritarian followers cannot abide the humiliation, cannot grasp the complexities involved in any conflict, cannot dream that their virtuous leaders can be defeated, except through treachery.  They are ripe for blameshifting, scapegoating and projecting of conservative failures onto a liberal shadow elite.

Finally, he mistook what eventually emerged as the nation's moral center for its point of origin on the left.  The fact that mainstreet America turned against the war was something he could only fathom by stepping down, and trying to end the war before he left office.

I believe there is a very real sense in which Obama suffers from precisely the same sort of mis-orientation.  Like LBJ, he may very well actually agree with progressives when we're coming to believe he's simply playing us--but also like LBJ, he may simply find it inconceivable that he could act on the basis of what he actually believes.

It brought down Gerald Ford who did not quite understand either public outrage at his pardon of Nixon nor did he grasp the rise of the New Right.

Ford, of course, wasn't a Democrat, but he also misread both rightwing organizing and the country's moral center.  Like Johnson, he too, thought that it was just some crazy liberals he'd be offending--in Ford's case by pardoning Nixon--when he was actually going against a broad consensus on what was right and proper.

It brought down Jimmy Carter who did not understand quite a few things, from the divisions in the Democratic Congress to the goals of the New Right to the economic shifts under way to the malaise of the American voter.

Carter was truly unique.  Not only did he have the DC-centric myopia about the country as a whole, he had an outsider's clumsiness in dealing with the DC insiders.  What he excelled at was diplomacy, which was no small achievement, but not enough to make him a political success.

It brought down George H.W. Bush who did not understand how radical and movement-oriented the GOP was becoming, that they would refuse to fall in line as they had under Reagan, and that he was at the opening scenes of a great demographic shift that would empower Democrats like Bill Clinton.

Bush I was smart enough to realize that he was no Reagan.  So he figured that he couldn't just talk tough, he had to act the part--which meant picking fights with carefully selected fall-guys.  Two wars in four years--that just had to make him safe, right?  With 90% approval ratings after the second one, it sure did seem so.  But unfortunately for Bush I, reality just didn't deliver the same jolt that pure theater does.  This was symptomatic of something I mentioned in the previous diary--as conservatism increasingly began to fail, it's true believers required headier and headier delusions to keep themselves properly intoxicated.  Once he started talking about a "new world order," he was definitely a goner.

What constitutes the larger historical framework for the time period discussed here?  It's longer than the Sixth Party System, and I would suggest another cycle that I've written about before in my diary series Three Waves And A Wall: 2008 And The American Future:

The rise and fall of successive world powers-Spain, Holland, Britain, and now us-described by former GOP uber-guru Kevin Phillips in Wealth and Democracy: A Political History of the American Rich.

Further explaining this cycle I wrote, in part:

Furthermore, Phillips goes on to make three further points that are extremely important for us:  

  1. Each power experiences an unexpected shock at the height of its powers that lets it know it is not invulnerable, after all.  Vietnam was not an anomaly.
  2. Each power reacts the same way--a reactionary politics of denial sets in for a period of several decades, during which the elites do better than ever, while the larger masses see their fortunes either stagnate, or decline.
  3. Finallty, in each case, after several decades, an egalitarian reversal sets in.

Phillips writes:

    ... the popular reactions in mid-eighteenth-century Holland and early-twentieth-century Britain against opulent aristocratic and financial elites raise a different possibility: the emergence during the first third of the twenty-first century of a U.S. radicalism seeded by economic and political pessimism. We have seen how a portion of the Dutch people, seeking a return to lost values, mounted a "Patriot Revolution." Major elements of the British population, seething against wealth and unfairness, used the new Labor Party to build a British welfare state-worker and lower-middle-income circumstances improved markedly-around the much higher tax rates imposed by war and politics on the upper and upper middle classes.

On further reflection, however, I think we can amend this account somewhat.  After all, before we lost in Vietnam, we also lost in Korea. Oh, it was called a draw.  But when you're the most powerful nation on Earth, and you don't win, you lose--as Senator Russell intimated above.  It's just that simple.  Harry Truman wasn't even renominated by his own party in 1952.  What more proof do you need?

This may not have triggered the full dynamic that Phillips describes--and there are good reasons for that, given how much the New Deal had clearly achieved--but it did trigger the beginnings of a serious rightwing reactionary movement, commonly referred to as "McCarthyism".  And this mass movement was pivotal in helping the GOP win its only trifecta of the Fifth Party System, support that Eisenhower felt uneasy with, but dared not eject outright (hence, in part, Nixon as his Vice President).  Throughout the New Deal era, rightwing forces had tried to mobilize themselves, but all their efforts fell far short of any sort of national success.  In 1950 through 1952, this all changed.  And although it dissipated within a few years, it was much easier to remobilize in support of Goldwater in 1964.

This is the larger historical framework within which all the presidential disconnects Robert mentions are situated.  He goes on to conclude:

I still find it unlikely that Obama would face a primary opponent in 2012. But he doesn't need to face one to lose the election. Obama's unwillingness to understand American political reality is causing him growing political problems. It is very much alienating his base, and as a result he will have slammed shut his own window for reform and change, and will have made his reelection bid unnecessarily difficult.

Again, I would argue that what underlies this grim prognosis is that like all his predecessors that Robert names, Obama fails to grasp the fundamental dynamics of what is happening in the country at large.  And right now, those dynamics are heading dangerously close to genuine fascism.  So writes Sara Robinson at Orcinus, and she's one of the real experts who--along with her blogmate David Neiwart--has long been warning us off of using the F-word too loosely.  So what's changed now?  That's what I'll be discussing in the next diary.


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...et omnia vanitas (4.00 / 2)
Vanity has a long history of wrecking things which it doesn't understand. Emanuel, and Rove before him, have taken great delight in packing the Parthenon with gunpowder.

You shouldn't do that, we say.

Who's gonna stop us? they say.

That's the wrong question, we say.

Everyone else appears to have his fingers in his ears.

It was ever thus.


Sure, but Rahm has never shown the kind of strategic capacities (4.00 / 2)
that Rove has demonstrated. Rahm pooh-poohed the 50 state strategy that got Obama elected; he could never in a million years have engineered a successful presidential election- he's too goddamned out of touch. And yet all of the sudden he's worth listening to on strategic matters once Obama's in office? Hmm... and then, surprise, surprise, we see the Cook Report foreseeing a possible loss of 20 Dem seats in 2010:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...



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You have to look at the people who Obama has around him. (4.00 / 2)
Too many DC-centric people.  Emmanuel, Messina, Geithner, Summers, etc.  Major part of the problem is the people he has around him.

RebelCapitalist - Financial Information for the Rest of Us.

This is fascinating. This is deeply analytical of the dangerous historical power curve we are in now. (4.00 / 1)
It seems to be part one of three. The rise of screamingly crazy, "I'll lie, cheat steal and kill because that will make me win, and winning is the only thing left."

They are deeply scared of losing complete dominance. They had dominance, they have massive power still, but they are frustrated beyond sanity.

The logic of history mocks them, their failures mock them, reality mocks, their lack of leaders mock them, their lack of reason for existing mocks them as they don't even have anything resembling a belief system. All their former allies mock them or fear them.

That's at least part of what comes in the next section. These first two diaries, and I am presumptuous I am sure in describing what you will pen next, more clearly layout the "Fin de siècle" we have now, than any other. This is why they are crazy, this is how crazy they are. This is a photograph of the anuerystic rage seething inside the body politic of the 'masters of the universe" arrogant elute that ruled politically and still rules through wealth and influence.

They know their time is at hand, and think that unlike all other 'tipping fascists before them they might be successful in rolling back history. Glen Beck's histrionic madness and weeping is part show, the narcissistic stage show is the closest he gets to human empathy, and part real, he is displaying a culture loosing its mind. He is only the most visible, not the most bizarre of these searching for an excuse, an avenue of action that will let him free his inexcusable selfish childish rage.

What you have not said, what you have not hinted at as a coming diary is your thoughts on how this changes the landscape of onrushing history and how it relates to the (sometimes denied) fractious coalition of non "Fin de siècle" proto-fascists (from Colin Powell and Eisenhower, to independents through Obama to the left and on to the "left of the left" -yes its very wide) and how that coalition must see itself, work with itself and redefine itself.

I have touched and pointed in the past to Civil War Spain, to "For Whom the Bell Tolls", to the 'civil war' inside the pro-democracy, pro-government force's fractious barricades against Franco. In its lessons betrayal and backstabbing cammps. I would wish that here, at least, some inspiration for hope, some inspiration for solidity of purpose, and sober recognition of history's uncaring sweep could be found and shared.

Real reform, real programs, no holds barred changes, I hint, are the solution. And not some fearful giving up of power to the less fearful allies of the crazies, and thereby slake their anger, to ameliorate their burning rage, it is the opposite that is true. Real reform, economically significant reform, belief in a government, nay a democracy that is FOR the people is the way out. Not cowardly capitulation and, to use the right's favourite term, not appeasement.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


Never Again (again)? (4.00 / 2)
"The Democratic decision to support the Iraq War initiated dramatic change in the Democratic Party and the progressive movement. We learned to never again let our values be abandoned by our party..."

I've been around long enough to know that actually we learned that lesson and said "never again" about 40 years ago.  


It's hard to underestimate what (0.00 / 0)
1972, 1984 and 1994 did to Democratic party structures.  Even though the common wisdom assessments of all three of those elections are up to challenge and a different analysis (McGovern was a war hero!  Mondale turned out to be correct about the deficit!  1994 was a entrenchment of the gap in the Presidential polling to the Congressional level), those three elections, and their aftermath, convinced people that a left-wing agenda in general, and an anti-war agenda in particular, wouldn't work, and that the American people wanted increasingly large amounts of jingoism.  

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Well Consider (0.00 / 0)
After the Vietnam War, it really did become impossible for them to go to war the way that empires are commonly accustomed to. Even now, they can only do it by keeping the wars basically out of the news, and largely fought by people relatively isolated from the mainsprings of political power.

So it's not as simple as just saying, "We got rolled."  They've had to tie themselves into knots to get it done.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Hell (0.00 / 0)
Even Vietnam really wasn't the type of war that an empire typically engages in.  It's not like the British ever would have fancied sending "advisers" into South Africa.  And the equivalent of the proxy wars of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries were spillovers from larger conflicts, rather than surreal bloodbaths in lieu of direct conflict between warring nations.

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True (0.00 / 0)
But not in terms of the demands placed on the American people.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Fair enough (0.00 / 0)
especially since, from a completely cynical perspective, what would have been the "benefits" of the conquest are now being shipped out to the Cayman Islands.

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You sound "wee-weed up" to me, Paul (4.00 / 1)
Get serious, wouldja?

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

Ohter than the "get serious", I at least, have no idea what your point is. (0.00 / 0)


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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LBJ's Trap and Carte'rs Lesson (4.00 / 4)
A while back, PBS ran their biography of LBJ in their American Experience series.  The show made the point that you make here that Johnson did not like the Vietnam war but felt trapped and unable to figure out how to extricate the US from southeast Asia.  Nothing could secure an actual victory and without that, Johnson felt the US could not leave; but US forces could fight again and again and win the battles but the war continued to drag on.  The longer it lasted, the more the American public turned against it.  I've long wondered what would have happened if Johnson had, at some point, simply said "The American poeple no longer support this war, as a democracy we must therefore end it and we will be out of Vietnam by Christmas."  The right already blames the left for the loss in Vietnam so it's not like domestic politics would have changed much (although Johnson might have won in 68 instead of Nixon.)

Carter, however, provides a very different example.  His much maligned "Malaise Speech" actually worked.  After he delivered the speech, his approval jumped 11 points.  The speech worked because it was deeply embedded in progressive values, it issued a call to national unity built around the idea of transforming America and the world for the better.  Jeffrey Feldman describes Carter's method extremely well as two stages - talking (and listening) to the people, talk about talking to the people.  Carter actually brought people from all the over the country and listened to them, talked to them, about the national mood and challenges, he took notes and then when he spoke to the nation, shared what he heard.  He then used a very simple metaphor - "we're in a hole and we need a way out" - to frame his ideas.  And it worked.  Carter blew is a few weeks later by firing staffers and shaking up his cabinet.  Had he continued in that vein - using that progressive vision, he could have rallied the nation strongly to his view.

I think that's the lesson we need our leaders to draw - Carter was in a hole as deep as LBJ's and his initial instincts were sound - invoke the progressive process of listening to the people, of using what they say to inform your plan and call the nation to a united cause.  Doing so and doing so publicly would break Democrats out of the DC trap, would give their policies more national support and would allow them to actually you know hear what 3/4s of the population actually wants.

When the eagles are silent, the parrots jabber.  Winston Churchill


I've Never Focused On The Mailase Speech (4.00 / 1)
I think of it much like the "Dean Scream" as an intellectually lazy convenience.  But unlike Dean, I do think that there were very legitimate faults with Carter.

You can see this in a number of ways: (1) Carter's initiation of deregulatory policies, (2) Carter's projected defense budget, which was almost identical to Reagan's, (3) Carter's letting the Shah into the country, which set off the hostage crisis.  These were clear examples of his anti-progessive side, and they were hardly the only ones.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Carter just had this holier than thou attitude about him (4.00 / 1)
And please don't forget El Salvadore. He helped bring more war and suffering to South America than any president before him. Until he was bested by Reagan in Nicaraugua.

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The Malaise speech actually went over quite well at the time (4.00 / 1)
where the "Dean Scream" in a very meaningful sense never happened, and its effects were instantaneous.  

But in a couple decades, the presidencies of Reagan and Carter will be understood more in terms of similarities than differences.  Carter never was a "progressive" in the sense of formulating policy to serve core principles aimed at helping vital constituencies.  He ran more as a "good government Democrat" - ironically a key progressive principle once upon a time - focused on "eliminating corruption and waste" in the public sector.

Like Reagan and Carter, I think LBJ and Nixon will be seen as complimentary in very meaningful ways.  1973 is critical to understanding the policy similarities of the former pair and latter pairs, yet the Democratic party establishment still seems - as it has since - hopelessly and incorrectly focused on the "lessons of 1968."


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Carter wasn't progressive but his methods were (0.00 / 0)
I think if you go back and look at the Malaise Speech, it reads like a much more deeply progressive speech than most of Carter's speeches and certainly pointed in a more progressive direction.  

But, more important to me than the actual content of the speech, was the means behind it - Carter bypassed the usual polling and DC centric communication style and instead listened directly to people from all over and then took what he heard and synthesized it into a speech with policy proposals.

When the eagles are silent, the parrots jabber.  Winston Churchill


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I'm skeptical (0.00 / 0)
that progressive disenchantment will/could bring Obama down. (A different issue from his need to embrace progressive in order to remain popular.) While I agree that a portion of Dems have been radicalized in the last 8 years, I'm doubtful that a determinative number is poised, come 2011, to work against him, or to stay home. Too many times I've heard liberals talk big, only to hold their noses and return to the fold. Hell, dozens of times I've heard liberals say they were absolutely done with Obama. And after all, the most notable attempt to challenge the corporatization of the Party, Nader's, is regarded in most liberal quarters as treason.

Yes, I understand that there are still ways to hurt Obama short of voting for someone else, but nothing, I maintain, that would truly clarify Rahm's mind, Progressives need to be willing to, well, vote with their vote; until then, we'll be shat on.

I hope I'm wrong. Maybe health care is an issue like no other. Maybe we'll see a progressive challenge to Obama. But can you see, say, Paul Krugman, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee, Glen Greenwald, and Jane Hamsher getting behind it? I can't.

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By the way, Paul: Please reconsider your next diary

You're too damn smart to add your voice to the hysterics saying that the country is "dangerously close to genuine fascism."


Perhaps there are different kinds of fascism (4.00 / 1)
Not to be trite, or speak for Paul, but the Sara Robinson article has value because some (many?) of its points can be debated and refuted. That's not true of what I've read other places where people argue we're on the road to fascism. Those arguments tend to be more emotional and vitriolic. Which perhaps prompted your comment.

In any event, to take one example, Robinson states that a key moment in the transition to fascism happens when respectable conservative politicians adopt the language of the angry mobs. However, there was an article in the Post (?) recently that showed respectable Republicans for years have used the language of the mobs, not just today. That would argue part of Robinson's argument is weak or even faulty.

Perhaps people also confuse a corporate takeover, where the government promotes the interests of connected corporations and wealthy individuals at the expense of the majority, for an extended period of time, with boot-clicking fascism? I would say the former has happened. The latter has yet to happen. I also would say the former happens all the time but for less extended periods and with less dire results (e.g. no massive foreclosures, deflation, and so on).


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I wouldn't dispute (0.00 / 0)
that there are fascistic elements in the teabaggers and their supporters, but I think its silly to suggest that they or their beliefs are in danger of taking over the country. For that reason, I'm actually more sympathetic to the contention that there is in this country a kind of if not fascism than corporate totalitarianism, a belief impressively presented by Sheldon Wolin, who calls it inverted totalitarianism:

http://www.amazon.com/Democrac...

In any case, I don't mean to completely downplay the threat posed by the right-wing radicals. I expect that they're going to kill people before too long, although not nearly as many as the American military kills in a day. Of course, those two things are related, American militarism and the militia movement. Remember, our government taught McVeigh to kill. But I digress.



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We Really Should Discuss This In The Right Diary (4.00 / 2)
where I can easily cut and past from the text I want to refer to.

This, for example:

In any event, to take one example, Robinson states that a key moment in the transition to fascism happens when respectable conservative politicians adopt the language of the angry mobs.

Is not what I take from her at all.  Indeed, that's precisely what many of the false alarms were all about.  It's not a question of adopting language, it's a question of coordinating actions--and what those actions are.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I disagree. Language comes first and action follows (0.00 / 0)
An interesting linguistic study was done on Iago who signaled his evil in a sentence for the first time. If foreshadowed all he was to do.

And Toynbee evaluates and does not dismiss the power of the disintegrating language of the empire, when the leaders talk like the masses. It's one thing you yourself do not do, Paul.


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You're Totally Missing The Context Here (0.00 / 0)
The point is there is plenty of demagogic language that never ends up going anywhere.  One needs to see the language in the context of actions to fully understand what the intentions are.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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By The Way, David: (4.00 / 1)
Please comment in the next diary, if you've got something to say!

As for what liberals will or won't do, it was a long, long time from 1964 to 1968, and for most folks there wasn't even a hint of the trajectory changing direction against LBJ this early on.

My purpose here is, in part, to break us out of thinking merely in terms of relatively recent history.  There are larger forces afoot, and larger patterns that we're a part of.  I'm not arguing for any particular outcome.  I'm arguing for being more far-thinking.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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A lot of the rhetoric surrounding "fascism" and "communism" (0.00 / 0)
as it applies to our current scene is hyperbolic and absurd.

But that doesn't mean that neoliberalism and fascism don't share many salient traits that are useful to analyze and discuss comparatively.

Communism, liberalism, and fascism all arose as differing responses to the problem of centralized gov't planning in an age of technological and industrial change that understood society as composed of government, business, and labor.  So in a theoretical sense, their somewhat similar, and FDR - along with many other gov'ts at the time - looked to Mussolini's Italy as a model of a successful state solution to the problem of development.

In a meaningful way, neoliberalism is liberalism shorn of the labor mov't as a meaningful constituency.  So the obvious tendency of neoliberalism to make deals with business without considering the economic interests of working people, yet, at the same time, invoking popular propagandistic symbology to mobilize them, if anything, needs far more and far more intelligent comparison with fascism, not less.  


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Call it what you want (4.00 / 1)
Big corporate interests are experimenting with organizing authoritarian mobs to intimidate liberal elected officials.

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway? Twitter: dcjohnson


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Wiley Coyote (4.00 / 1)
First, Paul, thank you for an interesting set of diaries, this one, the trifecta diary, and the invisible liberal majority article.

I won't address your larger issues, that sort of analysis is beyond my skill set. But I do want to highlight some practical issues, one of which you point to with the link to Sara Robinson. She wrote a wonderful post in the past few weeks arguing that we are, to use her image, in the parking lot of fascism in search of a parking space. I had hoped (perhaps still hope) that you or someone else here would tackle her thesis and debate it.

Regardless of the larger historical dynamics at work, Republicans,  corporations, and wealthy interests quickly gamed the political system in the 1980s and many Democrats hopped on that bandwagon. This takeover included control of media outlets. This takeover, as you note in your invisible liberals diary today, was in direct opposition to majority sentiments and against the natural interests of most people, for example, the working class. And this takeover used positive memes (e.g. greed is good, any one of us can be wealthy at any time) to sell and mask their activities and its negative impacts.

This corporate alliance is coming apart. You can't sustain the imbalances in wealth, power, and economic chaos that has come from their activities. The transition back to balance, of course, is ripe for takeover by fascists or any other group, as you and others have noted. But this coming apart followed by transition towards balance is what makes Obama and others look like Wiley Coyote, furiously pumping their legs, fully expecting ground underneath them when in fact there is only air. We've not arrived at the moment of balance when either corporate interests will have merged into fascism or progressives and others will have rescued the system.

As a practical matter, we have a clear choice. Continue the status quo, the corporate takeover, and there will be more bubbles, more debt, more foreclosures, more wage cuts, and finally economic collapse. Or push the transition towards a healthy center, away from fascism and towards progressive values that most people identify with, values that benefit all Americans. If that's true, then pushing for the public plan, calling out politicians who have a C (for corporate whore) next to their names instead of R or D, getting ahead of the present moment, these are all the right things to do. If that's true, then we should be hopeful even as there is a mountain of work to do.

The involvement of both parties in the corporate takeover, their culpability, also will confuse a lot of people, make them throw up their hands. That's what makes progressive messages so powerful in this environment: they promote the interests of the many while what we've seen for decades is the promotion of the interests of the few at the expense of the many.


I'm still with Toynbee and it seems he is still unacknowledged by (4.00 / 1)
this analysis. In the Rout and Rally phase of the beginning disintegration of an empire, a challenge is presented and when the empire fails it is represented. So let's assume Viet Nam was the challenge as I believe it was. We failed. Actually Korea may have been the first, but public opinion only mobilized against VN. We then saw the Soviet Union bogged down in Afghanistan failing its challenge. Although I think at this point the Soviet Union was in its Universal State phase. If so it went very quickly through all the phases and was probably not analyzed correctly because of the speed. And when the Universal State breaks up then horrible aggression follows. We saw this in all the satellites seeking independence. We also see Putin trying to reinstitute the Universal State.

We then had our hot spot wars in South America and The Falkland Islands, new challenges that seemed successful on a small scale but which only served to disgruntle the progressives and keep them awake while some mobilized against them reviving the anti-war solidarity feelings.

Afghanistan was a no brainer to get into but Iraq required a lot of deception. Again these were challenges that we failed to meet successfully. So our multi aggressions point to Toynbee's failed challenges.  

Now we are beyond Rout and Rally because our failures have produced a deeper challenge that we are not likely to meet: economic failure. Our response to it has been to generate deeper economic failure. To paraphrase we were, are in a hole and are digging it deeper without realizing that we can no longer get out.

Obama is now part of the problem rather than part of the solution. I don't know how much of all this he has studied, but certainly not a tenth as much as I have and not even close to Rosenberg's intellectual expertise in this area. And he is no longer in a lifestyle that will allow him to meditate and reflect. He is at the center of the storm and the eye has passed, so it is action and more action he must initiate without proper understanding. His charm, rhetoric, intelligence are not enough to get him through this when he listens to old minds. And they are old minds. Hillary demonstrated an old mind during the campaign which is why so many young people were turned off by her. But she did show Gore and Kerry how they should have fought.

I have said many times before that Obama has spent his life walking the tightrope edge of black and white. Too much on either side gets criticized by the other. Not white enough, not black enough so he is what is known as a marginal man which got him elected but cannot help him govern.

Yes he has misread the whole political landscape. He lost a lifetime democratic voter in the director of the dog rescue group I volunteer for. Two things finished her: he didn't put his hand over his heart when the national anthemn played (neither do I at events,only in public school days) and he back peddled on public spending monies going for the big $ kill (for excellent reasons I might add). But she says, he lied.

And he has been back peddling ever since. Should we be surprised? No. And yet we all are feeling betrayed to a great or lesser degree. Me, a lot. But not nearly so much as those who gave everything to work for him.

But the state governments got little from him as did progressives from the Dem machine. It's a bitter taste. And IMHO I think it is now too late. What is going to happen to him is something he will not expect and I don't think there's any chance he can deal with it. And because he was thronged at his rallies by hoards of people, they are gonna fall for the next big thing who will be worse than Bush and Rove. And much more charming. Did I say Big Brother?


Obama thinks he's 'Transcendent' (4.00 / 3)
Although I agree with Robert's formulation of Obama's (and the Village Democratic elder's) misreading of the fundamental changes in the Democratic (and, in particular, activist) electorate and, similarly, their misreading of the GOP opposition, the historical comparisons are unconvincing and distracting.

Obama believes himself to be (read his books), ran as, and believes he can govern as a transcendent political leader who can bridge divides and forge consensus. His entire political worldview, while appealing to the apolitical middle-independents who provided the margin of victory in places like Indiana, Virginia etc., has no operational basis in actual governing reality. He's drunk on and now drowning in his own Kool-Aid.

The one historical parallel still evident is that like Carter and Clinton, Obama has completely misread the Democratic congressional leadership's inability to exercise responsible political management and leadership of their respective caucuses. Allowing Congress to draft a stimulus of thousands of invisible expenditures instead of bold, visible, transforming projects was a mistake. Similarly, allowing health care to become multiple committee sausage making is verging on disaster. Reid and Pelosi have seemingly no control over their caucuses, and the supposed puppet-master behind the scenes, Rahm Emanuel, only enables the chaos.

Finally, it really should be noted that the economy and unemployment are really the driving force of electorate discontent. It's more important than any political or policy miscalculations Obama and/or the Democrats have made made. Had the economy recovered and employment been stabilized, there's no doubt the public's view of Obama, Democrats and their policies would be very different. Instead, the stock market rally notwithstanding, most people are rightly concerned about a non-existent recovery and still rising unemployment. As of August, 2009, Obama's big stimulus is seen as a budget busting failure. Whether that view of the economy and the stimulus remains in November 2010 will largely determine Democrats fate in the mid-term elections.

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans


I Know How Obama Sees Himself (4.00 / 2)
But that's only one factor in this whole mess, as you yourself go on to argue, for example, when you say, "Obama has completely misread the Democratic congressional leadership's inability to exercise responsible political management and leadership of their respective caucuses."  

And, of course, the larger question is why is the Democratic Party so screwed up that it keeps producing such out-of-touch presidents who so spectacularly blow the few chances that they get?  Some of this is conditions beyond their control.  But they do little else than compound the problems they face, turning every molehill into a mountain, and buidling molehills from scratch when there are none to be found.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Sorry Paul, but... (0.00 / 0)
...you (we) really need to internalize your question. It's not just why does the Democratic party produce these products; It's why did we progressives buy into and advance this product? We supported and advanced Obama, if not so much the progressive choice, he was still the choice of progressives. Short of a Naderite 'lesser of evils' excuse, I don't think it's fulsome to just look at why "the party" fails.

In my view, Obama is a one-off case. He's not really a product of the Village Democratic mindset, nor the insider national party power structure. His own unique vision of himself and his political paradigm, while electorally salable, is no match and entirely ineffective for the actual governing reality in DC. Being a cynical bastard, I thought the political positioning was for electoral purposes only and that he couldn't be fool enough to believe it would be a governing success.

To me, the real meta question is why there isn't a single Democratic leader with a full set of balls? You can analyze this from different angles and examples, but at it's core the problem is an excess of fear and lack of sheer guts. Why are Democrats gutless? How can we change that?

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans


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