Expending Our Resources

by: Adam Bink

Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 10:30


There is an interesting debate going on around whether or not, and to what degree, people who support the netroots community should consider supporting candidates who are not necessarily bold progressives. It has come up in four instances:

  • When Rep. Kendrick Meek (who despite having a lifetime Progressive Punch score of 90.59, is considered conservative by some) was coming to Netroots Nation and a member of his staff offered the opportunity to netroots activists to meet with him on a one-on-one basis

  • Folks have asked me why in the world Chris is working for the campaign of Joe Sestak, who is not normally considered a progressive hero

  • I've chatted with a number of folks who were upset that Netroots Nation organizers invited Specter to speak

  • SenateGuru is doing a series of diaries with 2010 Senate candidates of all stripes asking why they should receive progressive netroots support, giving Conservadems like Kentucky's Dan Mongiardo a platform.

The question is two-fold: (a) Why are progressive netroots activists giving conservative Democrats a platform (b) Why are progressive netroots activists expending resources and asking others to contribute to, Tweet about, etc. these candidates?

I have some general thoughts about the usefulness behind this in the extended entry.

Adam Bink :: Expending Our Resources
1. Outreach is not the same as support. If Kendrick Meek, a conservative Democrat running in Florida, wants to take his time to come all the way up to Pittsburgh, what would happen? Well, he would get an earful from people he meets there in terms of his more moderate positions. This is useful, particularly when he's courting support. He would be put in situations in which he may make pledges, the way we are pressuring members of the House and Senate to make pledges on the war. I can see Mike Stark cornering Kendrick Meek and asking him about his support on any number of bills. To have that on hand is useful, as well.

The argument that meeting with Kendrick Meek is a waste of time, or that people are going to get brainwashed, doesn't convince me. How I want to spend my time is up to me, and if I can get Meek on video and tell him that thousands of people who read my blog are pissed at him for doing x, that is a good thing. As for whether I'll be brainwashed or swept off my feet, well, knowing some of the folks who were asked to meet with Meek, I don't think that's giving them enough credit. I get invited to conference call after conference call from various candidates or causes wanting me to write positively about them. I think I'm smart enough to not be swept off my meet by all of them, and if I am, I know I'll be called out for it. The same goes for my peers.

2. Prime opportunity for pressure. It is true that Joe Sestak is not a diehard progressive. But I think that's more immaterial here. The objective is to put pressure on Specter in this critical period. As Nate Silver demonstrated, he's vulnerable to such pressure. I have no doubt in my mind that if Specter had not received a primary challenge, he would be on our list of targets to support a public option under reconciliation. I also have no doubt that the first two years of Obama's term will be the biggest opportunity in all eight to get major things done, and now is the period, if ever, to make sure Specter votes with us under threat of getting his ass kicked. It also pushes Sestak to do things like support a public option while he's running.

So what, the argument goes, Specter or Sestak gets elected, and both vote with Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu for the next six years. Maybe. But since I haven't seen any alternative candidates step up, Sestak is fairly to the left of Specter ideologically, and he also owes us more. This is how constituency politics is done- get the politicians to make promises to you, and remind them of their promises for the next six years, and threaten and scare the living hell out of them if they consider screwing you. In this vein, I see Sestak as more likely to be with us when we remind and threaten and cajole him for the next six years than Arlen Specter. But the main goal here, in my view, is to get these guys to be with us during this critical period. Primaries one of the few proven places where progressives can make a difference in future voting behavior, as well as gain relationships to influence that future behavior and future re-election. Ergo, the usefulness of Kendrick Meek coming to Netroots Nation and meeting netroots activists.

3. We shouldn't primary everyone. Some would respond to #2 by saying, okay, under that argument, we should be primarying every conservative Democrat with just anyone, as long as he or she is to the left of the target. That's not what I'm saying. If it were Jim Cooper instead of Joe Sestak who represented that district, should folks throw support behind Cooper against Specter? No, because there isn't significant ideological distance, and because Cooper regularly screws and undercuts progressives and progressive messaging in the media. It would not be a worthwhile expenditure of resources. Joe Sestak is far from Jim Cooper on this scale, and would be more of an ally who will listen to those who help him.

4. Let them sing progressive praises. Regarding whether it's worthwhile for SenateGuru to do interviews with, and thus give a "platform" to candidates (with Jack Conway/DINO Dan Mongiardo in Kentucky here, and Lee Fisher/Jennifer Brunner in Ohio here), I see it, again, as useful. The more we get these candidates on record in support of things we like, and in general the more interaction, all the better. Mongiardo is particularly horrible, but he deserves to make a case, and be judged on its merits. I would give the same to Jim Cooper or anyone else who thinks they deserve netroots support. It's up to us to do our homework and decide for ourselves whether they are or not, and read the advice of others. For example, SenateGuru is advising us by ridiculing how the Arkansas State Senate President Bob Johnson is considering a primary challenge to Blanche Lincoln, saying he would "run as a conservative Democrat against her." So it's possible to let Johnson try and appeal to the progressive netroots, and at the same time, demonstrate why it would be a poor expenditure of resources to support him. In other words, giving a platform does not equal advocacy.

In the meantime, let them- Meek, Specter, Sestak, everyone- sing their praises of their progressive positions, and of the netroots, for the world to read. Let them advocate the Employee Free Choice Act, a health care public option, net neutrality. That can only help us. And where strategically useful, support those who are deserving of it.


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The current health care debate (4.00 / 4)
I think the health care debate informs this somewhat.

Sestak has been pretty outspoken in support of the public option, borderline fire-breathing even. And I think the pressure he's applied for the primary and Specter's current support of the public option are no coincidence.

In that context, progressive support of Sestak is hardly surprising.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


Personally, (4.00 / 1)
I allow that conservative and progressive are not axiomatically mutually exclusive.  That a progressive position can be defined within the context of a issue.

It's also occurred to me, as crazy as this is going to sound, that the repair of 'conservatism' might very well end up being a progressive project.  

I'd prefer that conservative Democrats cross the aisle and become the loyal opposition, but there's not much unpolluted air to breathe over there.  

In the meantime, allowing them a platform to speak and be heard, and even nurturing a few of them where warranted, is an investment that might pay off on some dearly held progressive issues.


I think this dicussion is helpful (4.00 / 4)
I have two other thoughts:

1) While I don't want to downplay the importance of issue positions, I think there is more to it when judging a candidate that often gets less attention than it deserves.  Sestak is talking like a proud and confident Democrat, in ways that are reminiscent of Dean's talk about being from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. (Or Kennedy's 1980 convention speech.) Given that part of the problem is that many Democrats do (or did) offer more of a Republican-lite approach, this is not unimportant.  One of the greatest strengths of the Republicans is that they are confident (too much, in fact.) Another is that they stick together (again, too much.) This is not unrelated to issue positions, but it's not the same either.  

2) Agreeing largely with what you've said, it's still probably true that there have been and still are situations where progressive resources are being wasted. Any thoughts from anyone on how to recognize and avoid that?

Who are the best keepers of the people's liberties? The people themselves. The sacred trust can be no where so safe as in the hands most interested in preserving it.
James Madison


Sestak is okay, (4.00 / 1)
but Charles Melacthon in Louisiana (running against Vitter) is not.

Moderate Dems are okay, but no $$ to conservadems.  It is a waste of resources.


It never hurts (4.00 / 1)
to remind candidates and officeholders that we exist, that we're paying attention, and that we mean business. They may blow us off now, but opinions -- either of the voters or the candidates -- are never influenced by invisible, inaudible opposition. If you'll bring the ten people we now represent to a meeting you get a smile and a handshake. Bring 100,000 (dollars or people -- these days it makes little difference), or proof that you represent 100,000 of either, and a lot more attention will be paid.

Very good points... (4.00 / 2)
My belief is that it is always good to see where these conservative Democrats stand. In the past, we have supported conservative Democrats in special elections and other races and it hasn't served our movement very well.

I do think we need to make clear who is moderate and who is conservative. We have tended to automatically label someone a conservative if they aren't a full-blown progressive. That is unfair, especially to those moderates who would be willing to work with the netroots a majority of the time. For example, I don't find Kendrick Meek particularly conservative. But I don't find him to be a strong progressive either. I would say he's fairly moderate, which will be fine for Florida. Whether that's fine for the netroots, we'll see.

I am tired of progressive Democrats supporting Democrats who are Blue Dog-types in elections and then regretting it later. Those Blue Dog-types aren't going to support our causes at all, so when we put our party before our ideology, that is where we get into a mess with expecting more from a Blue Dog who isn't going to give us what we hope for.

I agree with giving someone a platform. Giving Specter a platform was the right call. Giving any of these conservative Democrats a platform isn't a bad idea. That way, we can form better opinions and determine whether or not a primary challenge would be worth it. In Specter's case, I think it is. In some other instances, I think our resources would be better spent elsewhere.

There's no such thing as illegal immigration. But there are illegal wars...


I agree (4.00 / 1)
that communication isn't support, and there's no reason not to communicate. Even with Republicans, if it's just honest communication for the sake of communication, and not some kind of political ploy. (Which, admittedly, might be something of a rarity these days.)

Two other thoughts.

First, I think a primary challenge to someone, even if it is done by someone who is no more progressive than the incumbent, is likely to have a salutary effect in the short term, because they will by voted upon by the progressive Democratic base, and both candidates will tend to move to the left -- for the election period -- to gain the support of that base, even if both are ideologically more conservative. Witness the presidential primaries we just had.

Second, what about the common thought that while it's good to primary conservative candidates from progressive districts or states, it's a waste of time to primary conservatives from conservative districts or states, because no one more progressive than the incumbent would be able to win a general election in that district or state regardless?


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