Easier To Pass A Strong Public Option Than None At All

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Sep 01, 2009 at 16:21


Yesterday, I argued that it is possible to pass a public option in health insurance reform legislation now if Democrats wanted to do so. Today, in a blockbuster story at TPMDC, Brian Beutler quotes an expert source who make the case that, due to the nature of the reconciliation process, it is actually much easier to pass a public option through reconciliation the stronger that public option is. From the story:

According to Martin Paone, a legislative expert who's helping Democrats map out legislative strategy, a more robust public option--one that sets low prices, and provides cheap, subsidized insurance to low- and middle-class consumers--would have an easier time surviving the procedural demands of the so-called reconciliation process. However, he cautions that the cost of subsidies "will have to be offset and if [the health care plan] loses money beyond 2014...it will have to be sunsetted."

And there the irony continues: Some experts, including on Capitol Hill, believe that a more robust public option will generate crucial savings needed to keep health care reform in the black--and thus prevent it from expiring. But though that may solve the procedural problems, conservative Democrats have balked at the idea creating such a momentous government program, and if they defected in great numbers, they could imperil the entire reform package.

Bottom line: because reconciliation requires a new government program to not lose money, a health care plan that is more likely to keep down health insurance costs will be easier to pass through reconciliation. Even opponents of health care reform admit that a the public option is the way to do this, given the constant conservative fretting about the inability of private insurers to compete with lower-cost public health insurance.

With this in mind, here is the updated choice facing the Democratic Congressional leadership and Obama administration:

  1. Democrats could pass a public option through reconciliation that is strong enough to keep down the cost of health care. This has the benefit of being more likely to pass procedural muster, which in turn means that there is no need to break the Progressive Block, face backlash from the progressive grassroots, find 60 votes in the Senate, or use the "nuclear option" to ignore the Parliamentarian. It will also have the advantages of covering more insured people, and keeping health insurance premiums lower.

    The negatives of this approach are that the Democratic leadership and Obama administration will face ideological opposition from conservative Democrats, severe financial and electoral targeting repercussions from industry groups, and they will look less bipartisan.

  2. The Democratic Congressional leadership could decide not to try and pass a strong public option. This has the exact opposite advantages and disadvantages of option #1.
This is turning into a real "whose side are you on" decision. One the one hand, you can side with conservative Democrats, industry groups, the status quo, and the Village process fetish. On the other hand, you can side with Congressional Progressives, the grassroots groups, actually passing legislation, insuring more people, and reducing health care costs.

And, as I said yesterday, this is a choice, not something the Democratic leadership and Obama administration are forced to do one way or the other. Let's see which side they choose.

Chris Bowers :: Easier To Pass A Strong Public Option Than None At All

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What strong public option? (4.00 / 1)
Mr. Bowers, you amaze and disgust me with your willingness to help force a horrendously ineffective bill upon us all on the argument that a bad bill is better than nothing.  What you refuse to recognize is that a bad bill is actually worse than nothing, for it will not only do untold damage but prevent the necessary reform from coming to pass for at least a generation.  Please cease and desist with pressing the left to accept something we all know is going to be a disaster.  Is it really that difficult to press for something that will actually work, namely, single-payer?  You're blowing an opportunity for genuine reform that would help we who cannot afford health care.



Snark? (0.00 / 0)
Is this some form of performance art where you try to act like an over-the-top activist?

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Speaking of performance art... (0.00 / 0)
I would like to nominate the "progressive" bait and switch on public option for an award.

Selling the means-tested and firewalled HR3200, which will have 9 or 10 million enrollees according to the CBO,  by pitching it as Jacob Hacker's original Medicare-style public plan, with 130 million enrollees, is a masterwork in the field, and deserving of the greatest possible recognition.

[applause]



I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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Please tell me your strategy (4.00 / 2)
I'd be delighted to hear your strategy for achieving single-payer in the current environment. Please offer more than having me put up phone numbers asking people to call Congress.

I am also delighted to hear how I am forcing progressives to accept a bad bill or nothing at all, given that I have been involved in the campaign to get Progressives to vote against a bad bill from the start.


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Whine, complain, hold your breath (0.00 / 0)
Isn't his strategy obvious?  And lots of wishful thinking.

Funny how people like this come across like neocons who think just willing something to be true should be good enough if not for the damn infidels on the inside sabotaging everything.

That said, it is kind of interesting seeing someone talk about you the way others talk about, say, Ezra Klein.  Normally you are on the other side of this type of debate.  Makes for an interesting continuum.  Hopefully, it helps most of us see that arguments over strategy and tactics shouldn't be confused with arguments over ideology.


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Chris, what do you mean by the nuclear option in this case? (0.00 / 0)
Via TPM and The Hill

However, if it's too weak, and doesn't meet the procedural demands of the reconciliation process, Gregg says the Republicans are preparing myriad objections to it and other aspects of the Democrats' reform plan.

What are the procedural things that can be done to deal with those objections.....Does it take 60 or just a majority?  What was the name of th eexpert you cited in an earlier post when dealing with the Parliamentarian.

As I said in an earlier post, I have some information about the interaction between the Chair, the Parliamentarian and the Senate itself from someone who's knowledgeable about Congressional procedures.  but I have not double checked it anyplace else....

Flat out overruling the parliamentarian requires only a majority to sustain the ruling of the chair. The parliamentarian only advises the chair. The chair can either take that advice or not, and a majority can either sustain the chair on appeal, overrule the chair on appeal, or table the appeal.

Sixty votes would be needed to waive a valid point of order against the bill under the Byrd rule. That would be necessary if someone made a point of order, the parliamentarian advised the chair to sustain that point of order, and the chair went ahead and did so. To overcome that takes 60 votes.

But if someone raises a point of order and the parliamentarian advises the chair to sustain it, but the chair declines to do so, the only remedy is to appeal, and if a majority lays the appeal on the table, that's it

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"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Power of the Chair (0.00 / 0)
About a year ago Palin made some news that the VP powerful as the President of the Senate (Chair).  I actually thought she was correct on that point.  Though the VP hasn't traditionally wielded that power, at least not recently, I think the power is real and constitutional.

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Two words: single-payer. (0.00 / 0)
it's time to abandon this push for a "public option" that is designed to fail.  H.R. 676 is an already-written bill.  What it requires is vast support from the left, such that we organize to hammer away at right-wing Democrats until they pass it.  That's what should have been done from Day One, but we've wasted months (years even) demanding a tepid bill that's now in the process of being gutted so as to be even more useless than it is already.  You might see my comments as the snark offered by a "purist," as though adhering to basic progressive principles and not compromising them is somehow a bad thing - or you may not.  At any rate, as an unemployed American who has to go without health insurance and must tend to illnesses on his own because he cannot afford to see a doctor, single-payer is something I and millions of other Americans desperately need.  Instead, we're being told that we must accept half-measures we know to be insufficient and which will in the long run render genuine health care reform unattainable for decades.

The strategy you've been pursuing against right-wing Democrats to back this weak "public option" is easily applicable to single-payer.  What needs to be done, then, is to make that application.  Forget about the weak public option, which in its current form won't cover but a fraction of Americans and won't kick in until 2013.  Push for single-payer and don't take "no" for an answer.  The actions you've taken in promoting the so-called public option...I know you're aware that they can and should be used in favor of single-payer.  Asking how to do something you've already been doing is at best disingenuous.



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ohhhh! thank you for your two words!!!!! (0.00 / 0)


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Great to see the notably non-prolix... (0.00 / 0)
... chiming in.

* * *

The reactions by "progressives" to single payer advocates on this thread remind me of Talleyrand's remark about the Bourbons: "They've learend nothing, and forgotten nothing." ("Whining" was particularly choice -- given the record.

I think Ian Welsh got it right today:


Our real activists, as a group, believe in single payer.  They are not going to march, or even show up at Townhalls in large numbers in order to push some wishy -washy bill that has a public option which sucks wind (and none of the bills have a good public option.)

Obama and Democrats deliberately demotivated the base by telling them that single payer was off the table, arrested them when they dared insist on talking about it, and disrespected them in every way possible.


And it's continuing right in this thread. Quelle surprise.

Of course the activists aren't showing up.  Who the hell would expect them to?  If Obama or Democrats in general want activists, who by definition are hardcore people who actually believe in liberalism to show up and fight for them, they need to offer liberalism, not warmed over centrist pap.

Republican activists are worked up, and liberal activists are demotivated, and that's a direct result of Democratic decisions.  I'm tired as hell of hearing activists being blamed for decisions made by craven, triangulating politicians.

Message to Obama and other Democratic leadership: Stand for actual liberalism; for actual workable policy; and activists will stand with you.   Liberals and progressives stand with liberals and progressives.




I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

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Closer and closer! (0.00 / 0)


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Little sympathy for "progressive" strategerists (0.00 / 0)
So, if it takes a real live Democratic strategerist willing to be quoted by name to drum up some excitement over the public option, yay!

* * *

I've heard the "please tell me your strategy" argument several times, and it's always struck me as odd, though, apparently, it strikes others as irrefutable.

1. I've noticed that the people who make it tend to be "progressives" with big megaphones -- the very same "progressives" who didn't advocate for single payer when it might have made a difference, who stood silently by while the administration excluded and censored the "little single payer advocates", and who did nothing to reverse the press blackout on single payer. Many now admit that excluding single payer advocates from the table was a mistake, both of ethics and tactics. That's not a good record -- except, perhaps, to Versailles, for whom single payer is anethema.

Why, then, should we respect the views of "progressive" strategists who have that kind of record?

2. If I could answer the question: "What's your strategy?" [implicitly, the legislative strategy] then I'd be a Democratic strategist, and I'd probably be billing for it. I mean, any guy in a bar thinks he's a better manager than the guy who makes out the lineup card, but at the end of the evening, the guy in the bar is just the guy in the bar. (Where the opinion of the guy in the bar is relevant is whether the team's stadium should have been built with his tax dollars, or who should be President, for example.) In fact, though of great interest to wannabe insiders and cheerleaders, legislative strategy isn't the only strategy there is: I mean, nobody asked the abolitionists "What's your strategy for getting the slaves lighter chains?" did they?

But I'm a citizen, and it's my job to advocate forcefully for the best policy, not to pretend I'm a Versailles insider who knows all there is to know about sausage making.

3. Then again, if I were a paid strategist -- say, for Joe Sestak -- my views might be worth something. However, I'd also be in the awkward position of not being able to propound a strategy that my client was opposed to, even if I had one. So there we are.


I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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A perspective from someone who doesn't care much about free health care (4.00 / 2)
but does care about outlasting the 20th century surge of right wing fanaticism.

1) There is so much waste in the system that the society as a whole could pay less for health care overall and still give 50 million people free health care (don't call it "insurance"): It depends on the bill.

2) A bill of that nature has NOT been put forth by the Administration.

3)  Robotics will threaten so many livelihoods that we need to get used to a more massive welfare state now than ever.

4) As onerous as taxes are, Americans still don't pay anywhere near the taxes needed to fund the government they want, and the rich need to be humbled anyway, so tax away.

5) We need Obama to win in 2012, but after months of betraying his mandate he needs a GOP mistake in order to do so.

Thus, a bill that is a step in the direction of what is desired is better than no bill at all. After all, more can be added later, provided the country continues to move left.


As I posted yesterday (4.00 / 2)
there is a very simple solution post 2013 to any issue with cost.  From the CBO:

According to the CBO, the cost of the House version is 1.049 Trillion, less than the savings described above.  Alternatively, 719 Billion would be saved by reducing the number of troops to 75,000 by 2014.



Same apply to the military???? (4.00 / 2)
"the cost of subsidies "will have to be offset and if [the health care plan] loses money beyond 2014...it will have to be sunsetted."

They make all these grand pronouncements as if we're dumb enough to believe it.  Like those who don't want to pay for abortions, I don't want to pay for Iraq, Afghanistan, bombs or jails.  Who says they get to pay for only what they want and I do, too?  


exactly! (4.00 / 2)
One of the main themes from the opposition at the Town hall last night was that any healthcare reform "pay for itself".

Well, OK, I'll take that criterion if it will apply to every new issue that comes down the line. Next time some President or other wants to invade another nation - don't even bother bringing it up if you can't figure our how to make the war "pay for itself". Same with the next new weapons system. But, why stop there? Let's require NASA to "pay for itself", too.  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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More on Martin Paone (0.00 / 0)
The clients of his employer, Timmons and Co.

His campaign contributions.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


More on Martin Paone (0.00 / 0)
The clients of his employer, Timmons and Co.

His campaign contributions.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


so basically... (4.00 / 1)
The health insurance industry, with all the dollars they've sent to Snowe and Collins and Baucus and Enzi and Conrad and all the rest of 'em, may have bought themselves a stronger public option by forcing the bill to go through reconciliation. That's kind of funny!

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