Reading Tea Leaves in New York State

by: Adam Bink

Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 20:00


To follow up on my post re former AG and Gov. Spitzer considering a comeback, the musing and maneuvering has begun. Immediately after The Hill and Danny Hakim at the NYTimes reported he was considering it, Spitzer came out with a full denial Tuesday night, then announced yesterday he was planning on teaching a course on law and public policy at City College of New York. Of course, this doesn't preclude doing a campaign as well, but it does try to bat down the rumors. Meanwhile, Survey USA did a snap poll, finding that 62% of New Yorkers would definitely or consider voting for Spitzer if he ran again for public office. It also found that 41% of voters think Spitzer is more qualified than Paterson to be governor, with 31% going for Paterson and 35% unsure. This follows up on a May poll finding 51% would rather have Spitzer as Governor over Paterson. While Spitzer's numbers do tank against Giuliani (if he runs) in the SUSA poll, and this is all speculation until Cuomo makes up his mind on running for Governor or not, I think there is some positive sign there that he could definitely run for office again and win, perhaps for Comptroller.

I should also mention that the New York State Comptroller is a guy named Thomas DiNapoli, who was most recently a member of the Assembly until chosen by his peers to replace the previous Comptroller over a scandal. An August 24th Siena poll found a whopping 74% had no opinion of DiNapoli, despite taking office in early 2007. To be honest, he's maintained a low profile, and I think can be beaten in a primary. I see that, or running for Attorney General if Cuomo opts to run for Governor, as the most likely possibilities.

The one other thing I did want to address was opinion over respect and forgiveness. After the news came out Tuesday evening on speculation that he might run again, I chatted with my mom and my sister about it. My mom was previously a die-hard Spitzer supporter. I interned in his Buffalo office when he was AG many years ago, and the same office intervened on our behalf when a car dealership tried to screw her out of their warranty obligation when the car was broken. And, as she would say, he's a good Jewish boy.

I was shocked by the flat refusal to support him (at least, in a Dem primary), and it was because of the prostitution issue. To me, I don't care about his personal life to any extent, unless he's using state resources or severely breaking the law, or it's rape. To her, and my sister, cheating on your partner is one thing, but cheating on your partner via prostitution is another. It's supporting an illicit industry, I was told, condoning a lifestyle that shouldn't be condoned, even if it's to support a child. It's taking advantage of women, even if it's consensual. It's interesting to note my mother and my sister are both die-hard feminists and Hillary backers (their reactions to the McCain campaign's targeting of Hillary supporters by picking Palin inspired me to write this piece last year analyzing the effects of it), so perhaps that has something to do with it. Each is entitled to their own opinion, but I am concerned this may by more prevalent than expected, at least among women or a certain demographic of women. It would certainly an important concern in any Spitzer campaign.

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I like Spitzer (0.00 / 0)
but his office was investigating the prostitution ring that he frequented.  That's a serious conflict of interest, and I can understand why people wouldn't support him because of it.

That being said, I'd gladly support him in the future and wish him the best of luck.  


I hate that question (4.00 / 2)
"who is more qualified to be governor" between two people who actually have been governor.  Why not "who did a better job" or "who would do a better job"  Someone who has "Governor of New York" on their resume seems to be qualified to be governor.

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Adam ... (0.00 / 0)
what is your mom's opinion of Bill Clinton? .. is he any different from Spitzer just because he didn't go to a prostitute? .. then again .. in some situations .. there is a fine line between a prostitute and a mistress

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Funny (0.00 / 0)
I asked about that, because I knew she was still a Bill fan, and it's a comparable situation. I even asked if Bill had been able to run again for a third term, would she have voted for him, and the answer was yes. But the difference was cheating on one's partner (Bill) versus "supporting an illicit industry" (Spitzer).


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Supporting an illicit industry? .. (0.00 / 0)
one that's been around since the days of the Greeks and Romans?  what's the difference between a prostitute and spending money on a mistress? .. I mean .. look at Governor Sanford

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You really don't see a difference between treating a woman as a (0.00 / 0)
commodity and giving a woman gifts? This is just a basic empathy fail- you don't have to be any kind of feminist to see something wrong with this picture. Greece and Rome have origin myths based around rapes, so we are to decide that rape is a cultural inevitability and ignore it?

And I'm not against a Spitzer comeback, necessarily, but there should be an acknowledgment among purported progressives that this is problematic stuff.  


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Too early... (0.00 / 0)
I just think it's too early for Spitzer to come back.  He needs to spend a little more time in the wilderness of the Upper East Side rather then sinning in our innocent little town of Washington, DC.

It's not the crime, it's the hypocrisy (0.00 / 0)
Spitzer was a holier-than-thou moral crusader who broke his own moral and ethical laws that he was trying to force on everyone else.  It's not the same thing as Bill Clinton cheating on his wife.  It's equivalent to Ed Schrock co-sponsoring the FMA while trolling for gay sex on the phone -- as opposed to Barney Frank and Jim Kolbe being outed as gay but surviving because they weren't hypocrites.

I didn't say Spitzer had to be pure as the driven show -- he did.  If an admittedly fallible politician cheats on his wife, it's their business.  If a holier-than-thou politician cheats on his wife, he's a flaming hypocrite.  Spitzer did that, and I think he deserves what he's gotten.  I'd never support him for public office again.

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I have no doubt that Spitzer could mount a comeback, but... (4.00 / 1)
My preference would be that, rather than immediately running for public office, Spitzer achieve some meaningful accomplishment of social value.  And I mean more than teaching a class at City College.

Spitzer could start an organization dedicated to implementing intelligent reforms of Wall Street.  

As an aside, I love how Spitzer's numbers tank against Giuliani's.  People have the right to judge Spitzer however they want.  But since when is Giuliani a step up in the ethics department?


As a former prosecutor (0.00 / 0)
the idea that Spitzer could come back makes me want to vomit.

He prosecuted people for doing what he did.  

It shows that the guy is another one of the elite "the rules don't apply to me" types.



You know (0.00 / 0)
Speaking for myself, at some point I'm more interested in progressive policy than being high-minded about morals and hypocrisy. Honestly. If I had a nice range of options to choose from, it might be different, but in NYS, Paterson is no longer electorally viable and Cuomo isn't all that. And that's just the gubernatorial race.


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Cuomo is more electable (0.00 / 0)
than Spitzer. I think Spitzer's political career is ended. He has only himself to blame. He blew it and disappointed (and betrayed) a lot of people. His financial transactions involved in paying for prostitution showed lack of judgment (if nothing else). He also had a lousy record as governor with very combative style and overwhelming ego.

I had high hopes for him, and was shocked at his downfall. But don't want to see him run for anything again.

Cuomo would make a good governor. Paterson is terribly weak. I don't want to see another Republican governor of NYS.


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I don't disagree he's more electable (0.00 / 0)
And that's an important consideration in a primary. But he's also not boldly progressive, doesn't care about any issues besides housing, is too quick to find a reporter when he can cut a settlement, any settlement, instead of pushing for harding concessions. I would of course weigh in that Cuomo is more electable, I'm saying that I'm up for sacrificing moral quality to some extent to get Spitzer elected. It's more important to me.


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Nonsense (0.00 / 0)
why are we making excuses for a crusading Prosecutor who puts people behind bars, and then goes and violates the same law?

You think supporting someone like that advances Progressive Politics?

I think it makes every argument we make against the rich and the powerful look silly.  The hypocrisy is really obvious.



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Excuses (4.00 / 1)
Re-read what I wrote. I did not make any excuse. An excuse would be "he wasn't thinking at the time." I'm saying it's not as important to me as others, in fact, electing a progressive is more important than (to some extent) my own high-minded moral dislike.

As to whether it advances progressive politics, I think you'll find people are more interested in outcomes than the achiever of those outcomes. Exhibit A: Clinton's stunningly high job approval ratings all throughout Lewinsky episode. Why? Economy, peace at home and abroad.


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Did you mean (0.00 / 0)
to have a link in there to a piece last year about Hillary supporters and Palin?  I don't recall the article and would like to give it a read.

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because of the prostitution issue (0.00 / 0)
RE: "My mom was previously a die-hard Spitzer supporter...And, as she would say, he's a good Jewish boy.  I was shocked by the flat refusal to support him (at least, in a Dem primary), and it was because of the prostitution issue."

MY COMMENT: Is she aware that the proprietor of the escort service was a "good Jewish boy" (and an Israeli). Doesn't that count for something? Personally, I think this was payback by one of the crooks on Wall Street working in conjunction with the Bush administration. At any rate, Spitzer beats the hell out of what passes for governor down here in Georgia.


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