Education vs. Indoctrination--Beyond False Balance

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Sep 05, 2009 at 08:30


At DKos, Thursday's Abbreviated Pundit Round-Up included an excerpt from Cal Thomas:

Here is the way I believe it works at liberal universities. Some professors require their students to repeat back to them on test papers and in theses what the professors believe. Unless students hate Republicans, revile George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, renounce God, support abortion and gay rights, they can sometimes expect a lower, even a failing grade.

This was part of an argument attacking the Washington Post for running a story about the GOP's candidate for Governor of Virginia, Robert F. McDonnell, and his Taliban-like thesis at Pat Robertson's univeristy that's come back to haunt him.  In order to repel scrutiny of "conservative" indoctrination Thomas invokes the groundless claim that liberal universities are hotbeds of liberal indoctrination, so there!

Ah, but maybe it's not so groundless, after all!  The rest of the paragraph continues:

When my wife studied for her master's degree in counseling, she felt pressured to repeat her professors' beliefs instead of stating her own. A friend with a Ph.D. told her, "Write what they want and get the degree. Then you can counsel the way you like." This is academic freedom? It sounds like indoctrination. Why is it OK at liberal universities to tell professors what they want to hear, but not OK at conservative ones to do the same?

Contrary to what Thomas may believe, a single anecdote doesn't prove a damn thing about "liberal universities" in general, even if it could be verified, and there were no other side to it.  Since I don't know his wife, or where she went to school, I can't begin to comment on it.  But I can comment on the pattern of thinking that it reflects, in part because my sister has taught critical thinking skills at a community college for many years, and has encountered hundreds, if not thousands of students who seem cut from exactly the same cloth as said wife and her friend.  Indeed, my sister has described such students as having precisely the same attitude, using almost exactly the same words.

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Thomas may be totally clueless about what's wrong with this sort of reasoning, but we should not be.  The whole aim of liberal education-in the liberal vs. servile sense-is to fit one for a life of intellectual independence, and moral autonomy.  Critical thinking is central to this.  One cannot freely choose anything if one is ignorant of, and therefore slave to, unexamined prejudices and assumptions.  That is why students are challenged to defend what they believe, it is why they are "forced" to learn views that they don't agree with, too.  It's not enough to say, "I hate liberalism."  You actually have to learn something about it, and then give some reasons for your hatred-at the very least

Plenty of students fiercely resist this.  They don't want to think.  This isn't limited to any one political view.  Our entire popular culture is orientated away from thinking.  Thinking gets in the way of non-stop consumption.  But the resistance to thinking is especially strong among conservatives, in part because it has this particular form of a reinforcement-the argument that liberal professors are trying to brainwash conservative students.  Of course, that's not what my sister wants, nor is it what any form of liberal pedagogy I've ever heard of teaches.

Indeed, I've written before about William Perry's model of cognitive development in the college experience (here, for example), which was only discovered by Perry in the 1950s and 60s, but which reflects processes that clearly have been around for a very long time, and that reflect necessary changes in cognition in order to pass from the kinds of thinking that are commonplace among young adults to those that are required to be a contributing member of a scientific or professional knowledge-generating community.  Briefly recapitulating, this involves passing from the initial level of dualism:

  1. Dualism/Received Knowledge:
    There are right/wrong answers, engraved on Golden Tablets in the
    sky, known to Authorities.

    1. Basic Duality:
      All problems are solvable;
      Therefore, the student's task is to learn the Right Solutions

    2. Full Dualism:
      Some Authorities (literature, philosophy) disagree;
      others (science, math) agree.
      Therefore, there are Right Solutions,
      but some teachers' views of the Tablets are obscured.
      Therefore, student's task is to learn the Right Solutions
        and ignore the others!

Through multiplicity:

  1. Multiplicity/Subjective Knowledge:
    There are conflicting answers;
    therefore, students must trust their "inner voices", not external Authority.

    1.  Early Multiplicity:
      There are 2 kinds of problems:
      • those whose solutions we know
      • those whose solutions we don't know yet
      (thus, a kind of dualism).
      Student's task is to learn how to find the Right Solutions.

    2. Late Multiplicity:
      Most problems are of the second kind;
      therefore, everyone has a right to their own opinion;
        or
      some problems are unsolvable;
      therefore, it doesn't matter which (if any) solution you choose.
      Student's task is to shoot the bull.
      (Most freshman are at this position, which is a kind
      of relativism)

    At this point, some students become alienated, and either retreat to an earlier ("safer") position ("I think I'll study math, not literature, because there are clear answers and not as much uncertainty") or else escape (drop out) ("I can't stand college; all they want is right answers" or else "I can't stand college; no one gives you the right answers".)

Through relativism:

  1. Relativism/Procedural Knowledge:
    There are disciplinary reasoning methods:
    • Connected knowledge:  empathetic (why do you believe X?; what does this poem say to me?)
    • vs. Separated knowledge:  "objective analysis" (what techniques can I use to analyze this poem?)

    1. Contextual Relativism:
      All proposed solutions are supported by reasons;
      i.e., must be viewed in context & relative to support.
      Some solutions are better than others, depending on context.
      Student's task is to learn to evaluate solutions.

    2. "Pre-Commitment":
      Student sees the necessity of:
      • making choices
      • committing to a solution

And on to commitment:

  1. Commitment/Constructed Knowledge:
    Integration of knowledge learned from others
    with personal experience and reflection.
    1.  Commitment:
      Student makes a commitment.
    2.  Challenges to Commitment:
      Student experiences implications of commitment.
      Student explores issues of responsibility.
    3. "Post-Commitment":
      Student realizes commitment is an ongoing, unfolding,
         evolving activity

Whatever else happens at college, one must come out the end of the process ready to start participating in a knowledge-generating community as a committed participant, if that should be your choice.  Those who so choose then go on to graduate school.  Those who do not should still have the capacity to do so, if that were to be their choice.

Ensuring that students successfully navigate this journey is the primary classroom responsibility of college professors.  Of course there are all sorts of other factors involved in faculty selection and promotion.  There are research agendas, there are image-building agendas, there are please-the-alumni agendas, etc.  It would be ludicrous to pretend that these other agendas do not have classroom impacts as well.  However, if a student actively resists the very development of critical thinking skills that stand as central to the process Perry outlined, and if they adopt a rationalizing ideology to justify such resistance, a teacher is simply fulfilling their primary pedagogic duty if they do not reward such behavior.

It's just that simple.

What Thomas and legions of other conservatives have done is to take a few baubles from the liberal tradition-such as fairness and balance-and stripped them of context to advance their own highly unbalanced and unfair approach to politics, knowledge and life itself.

They create their own "conservative" educational institutions that really are operated along the lines of a propaganda model, together with servile instruction in the development of particular skill sets.  The development of autonomy is not part of their agenda, because, quite frankly, they do not even know what it means.  They equate it with licentiousness, lawlessness and disobedience to authority, and have done with it.

And then they complain when their propaganda institutions come in for critical scrutiny. "'Tain't fair!" they cry.  Everything's against them. Evolution is a plot!  Carbon dating, too!  And math!  Who let all those odd numbers in?

It's enough to make you weep.

Or die laughing.


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Fantastic post! n/t (0.00 / 0)


What a fantastic display of individualism on this thread! (0.00 / 0)
Rosenberg says conservatives suck, as usual, and all the incredibly "individualistic" liberals on the thread say...

"Yes, Paul, they really suck! They suck bad! They suck hard! Suck! Suck! Suck!"

"And unlike us individualistic liberals, all those conservatives sound alike! They have no tolerance for diversity!"

And a whole row of liberal commenters entirely agree...

"Ditto!"

"Ditto!"

"Ditto!"

And isn't Paul Rosenberg the best possible model of tolerance of divergent opinions! There's a guy who always responds substantively to every comment under his blogs!

Harharharhar!!!

If anybody ever wants an absolute and dispositive demonstration that there are plenty of liberals who are just as tediously conformist as conservatives, this thread is brilliant evidence!

And you heard it first from Jacob Freeze, "the prophetic wonder-man of political blogging!"

Harharharhar!!!

(But for some strange reason, liberals and progressives who really are tolerant of divergent opinions, like Chris Bowers and David Sirota and Natasha Chart, never feel the need to make claims about it, and the job of celebrating himself as indisputably the most tolerant human being in the entire universe is left to Paul Rosenberg, who treats almost every disagreement with his always obvious rightness as a sign of mental defect or disease.)


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Generalizing from an anecdote (4.00 / 2)
Is a typical human failing, but particularly so on the right...as we see from this anecdotal example :)  

So Thomas has a theory.  Yet it turns out there are numerous ways one could investigate this.  For example college Republicans, do they get punished in grades?  Flunked out?  Are College Democrats rewarded with better than average grades?

There are concerns of course in even these methods but they would be better than anecdotal and at least worthy of discussion.  All he has is his trite hypothesis and his wife's subjective experience.  

And how exactly does political ideology affect a masters in counselling anyway?  I wasn't aware there were conservative and liberal schools to this.  The mind reels.


What's So Tellnig About This Annecdote (4.00 / 2)
to me is how identical it sounded to some I'd heard from my sister when she first started teaching.

Ironically, it's even possible that one could find data to support it.  If "conservatives" are those who absolutely refuse to learn the core lesson of college education, refuse to develop a more sophisticated understanding of what knowledge is, then it would hardly be surprising if their grades were to suffer in comparison to everyone else.

But it still wouldn't prove what they think it proves.

There's just no substitute for critical thinking.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Normal weapons won't work on them! (4.00 / 1)
It would seem that the Right is nothing if not faith based. Faith, as in, believing blindly in what you are told from authority figures you accept for whatever reason. In fact, I think it is pretty clear that in today's GOP, your star rises if you can demonstrate (selflessly) a willingness to repeat outright falsehoods without blinking.

So it seems our problem with conservatism these days is less political ideology (that would be sufficient) and more the dealing with people whom, to have membership in their community, are measured by their willingness to adopt and promote blatant lies or deny scientific evidence. The more blatant or ridiculous the lie, the more fanciful and baroque the denial, the better Conservative you are.  So where we see a growing mob of right-wing madmen, they see an army of self-lobotomized comrades.



Lying Is Essential To Them (4.00 / 1)
One does not prove ones loyalty to the cause by making good arguments based on facts--assuming that were possible.  Once one is convinced that the other side is totally evil, then the more outrageous one is in attachking them, the more worthy one becomes.  That's why the biggest liars, the biggest thugs are the biggest heroes to them.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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So who (0.00 / 0)
are you thin-skinned weasels going to ban from the site today?

You Can Always Ban Yourself If You're Feeling Left Out (4.00 / 4)
But Jacob Freeze wasn't banned because we're thin-skinned.  He can insult me all day and night for all I care.  Mostly I just found him pathetic.

He was banned because he routinely and viciously insulted other commentators.  We just reached the point where we felt it was ungracious of us to subject our guests to him any longer.

Personally, I hope he gets the professional help he so obviously needs. He's very smart, but not the least bit wise, and clearly in a great deal of pain.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Pathetic (0.00 / 0)
is a person who needs to pretend everyone who doesn't think exactly as he does is mentally ill, and needs professional help, which is the major theme of you "thought."  For all your talk of psychological development, you are probably the greatest example I know of someone who never got beyond adolescent name-calling.

We have a comment rating system here.  Offensive posts disappear pretty quickly.  Other than spam, or true conservative trolls, there isn't any reason to ban anyone.

Freeze is unruly and opinionated.  There are many posters who use sharp language and an occasional personal attack.  They aren't banned.  Because you find him "pathetic" "not wise" and "in need of professional help," you ban him, and then you post here about your supposed love of free intellectual discourse.

It's way too much to expect you to be honest about it, I know.



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My two cents (4.00 / 3)
As you undoubtedly know, I've been on the receiving end of Jacob Freeze's displays of petulance on more than one occasion. What disturbed me about them was not so much the adolescent invective as the lies about substantive matters. He actually seemed to believe that we either lacked the knowledge to catch him in such lies, or lacked the craft to expose them as such. It never seemed to occur to him that we were simply astonished that anyone would behave as he did, although it must certainly have been clear enough, even to him, that we didn't see any point in arguing with an obvious loony.

Whether you like it or not, there are certain rules which govern honest debate. Jacob didn't seem to think that any of them applied to him. I was unaware, until reading your comment, that he'd been banned, but it doesn't surprise me. Life is short. Wasting a lot of it on people like Jacob is perhaps best left to those who are paid for their trouble.

One thing that isn't clear to me is why you think that doing so makes anyone here a weasel. Did you honestly find his approach to debate preferable to Paul's?  


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My preference isn't the issue (0.00 / 0)
but I don't find Paul Rosenberg better than Jacob Freeze.  Rosenberg isn't a model of honesty or decorum, and neither is Freeze.  

If your life is too short to include Freeze, don't reply to him.  Don't ban him.


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We're Empiricists Here, kanzeon (4.00 / 3)
We tried it that way for a long, long time.  But eventually, it just didn't work.

Why?  Because it only takes one person replying to Jacob to start to spoil a whole thread for everyone.

Your theory is an appealing one.  It's one I prefer to live by as much as possible. But reality bats last.

Finally, recall that Open Left is not just an open chit-chat forum. It has a political purpose.  Building progressive power requires both the flowering of critical dialogue, and a community of mutual respect.  Jacob's contributions to the former were uneven at best--as William points out--and he was deeply inimical to the later.

The more I explain this to you, the more I wonder why we didn't ban him long, long ago.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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What tickles whose fancy (4.00 / 1)
Your preference is precisely the issue, and you're the one who's made it the issue. If you honestly can't tell the difference between Jacob and Paul, then I have to wonder what, if anything, you stand to gain from reading any of the comments here.

Be that as it may, what you think, or what your thinking is worth, isn't up to me to decide. If memory serves, though, you've done better on occasion than the weasel comment you began with in this thread. For what it's worth, I believe that your talents would be better employed in the cause of something more substantial than Jacob Freeze's right to be a jerk.


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Quite the opposite (0.00 / 0)
I don't agree with most of what Freeze posts, so it isn't a question of my preference of Freeze over Rosenberg.

I appreciate the compliment, but my intention was only to highlight my vehement disagreement.

My own stake in this is as follows: I emailed Jacob awhile ago on a topic, and he replied.  I have had an off and on email exchange with him on personal and political topics ever since.  He shows no signs of being mentally ill or a bad person or in pain.  I found his links informative, if not always his narrative.  I actually troll rated some of his posts, which in my opinion is the way to deal with off topic or factually challenged posts.

The condescension and faux concern is absurd.

But I am done with this.


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Not Quite (4.00 / 2)
Who else have I ever said that about?

I'm genuinely concerned about Jacob.  Partly because I can see how I might well have ended up like him if things have turned out differently.  You seem to think I'm turning up my nose at him, when what I really feel is more akin to "There but for the grace of God go I."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You say it in numerous diaries (0.00 / 1)
and in comments.

Now it's "I'm genuinely concerned about him."  God, what a hypocrite.


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One Can Feel Maddening Annoyance In The Tumult Of The Moment (4.00 / 1)
and pity in quiet reflection.

Have you learned nothing from reading Dostoevsky?

How about Jane Austen?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I don't recall (0.00 / 0)
Dostoevsky penalizing anyone for unpopular speech.

This is tiresome.  


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Certainly not. But then, he didn't make his enemies constant guests... (4.00 / 1)
..in his home, either. Nobody would have banned Jake for his  "unpopular speech". As I understand it, it was his horrible temper recently, and his constant, often personal, attacks on others that were the straws that broke the camel's back.

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I totally support that view. (0.00 / 0)
And imho I showed a lot of tolerance towards Jake's views, even when he became overwhelmed by his pathological hatred of Obama (harsh view, I know, but it really became irrational). Hell, I even commented on his diaries, that most others haven't even read. But all I got for my interest, and my carefully voiced criticsm, were attacks.

So, yup, I think Paul is totally right in saying that Jake's constant attacks on everybody not sharing his extreme views became unbearable. And nobody can say people didn't try to warn Freeze, quite to the contrary. But he didn't care at all, and so I'm not surprised that it had to end this way. Right call, absolutely!


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Jacob Freeze, "the prophetic wonder-man of political blogging," returns! (0.00 / 0)
It's only to be expected that the superior style, intelligence, education, all-around coolness, wealth, good looks, and intimate friendships with dozens of celebrities (  http://jacobfreeze.com/hollywo... ) of a blogger like Jacob Freeze would create a certain amount of resentment among the less fortunate, and Jacob Freeze regrets that he somehow failed to consider the many maddening handicaps of so many commenters who only raged against him because no one else in his exalted circumstances would pay them the least attention.

So I'm offering this humble apology to each and every one of you who may have been aggrieved by my careless remarks. It won't happen again.

Now feel free to vent!

Harharharhar!!!


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Memo to the management: (4.00 / 1)
This was a very decent thing to do.  

Thank you.  


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The Rise of the Passion for Ignorance (4.00 / 3)
I have to say, I was a university professor at a top university, and I never encountered the type of student described, perhaps because what I was most interested in from my students was THEIR thinking about the material that had been presented to them in class, where we discussed it all critically. On examinations, I tried to bring them to insight by engaging them to bring what might have seemed like disparate ideas and texts together for critical comparison.If I succeeded in opening their minds to search for new possibilities I felt I had done my job. Yes, I had exacting standards for writing, expression and  so forth, but parroting back what I had said would have earned them much lower, not better or even passing grades.

Oh, well. The heyday of critical teaching seemed to me well passed the first time I encountered a column by David Brooks in the NYT. I told my son, "A C- thinker and writer at best." And he is miles above the specious writers on the right the Times published. Yet these people of faulty logic, narrow thinking (if you can call it that) have dominated public discussion to the extent that I wonder if anything we might call rational thought can be retrieved.

The inability to write logically and thoughtfully is no longer limited to right wing columnists, but infects all aspects of news writing at the Times, as well.  


A Plague Of Unreason (4.00 / 1)
Max Bumenthal has a new book out, Republican Gomorrah: Inside the Movement that Shattered the Party, which was discussed yesterday on Democracy Now!, and which I'll be discussing in a diary later this weekend.

Among other things, it goes a long ways toward explaining how mental dysfunction became a central feature of the conservative movement, more central than any coherent ideology.

It certainly makes a whole lot of sense in light of the incoherent babbling that's become the GOP trademark over the past several months.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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We all know that facts have a liberal bias, so no surprise... (4.00 / 1)
...that his wife's ideologically based nonsense wouldn't have been received well in an academic environment. What's surprising is that her convictions were so strong that they withstood the attack of reality. But, on the other hand, what can be expected from the "better" half of a stubbornly right wing columnist? He would never have married a reality based woman!

When The "Better Half" Isn't Eh? (4.00 / 1)
So perhaps they deserve on another.

Is this proof there is a God, after all?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Constructing an "intellectual" system that is not based on critical liberal thought (0.00 / 0)
is like constructing a building that is not based on sound engineering principles. Sure, you'll be able to put together some mud huts or simple cabins to huddle in. But try to build anything with more than a ground floor or that has to survive storms and last for years, and you'll almost certainly fail. It's not even a matter of understanding these principles (although it is preferable). You just have to know and follow them, and they will serve you well.

Which is why I'm not quaking in my metaphorical boots at the prospect of an army of bow tie-wearing right-wing "intellectuals" coming at the left. It is literally not possible, because the modern right is not built on sound intellectual principles. It is built on anger, hate, bile, meanness, spite, passion, resentment, paranoia and violence, both emotional and physical. Which, harnessed effectively--as they have been--can be quite formidable. But not on an intellectual basis. And this anti-intellectual approach to ideological, cultural and political warfare has just about run its course. I see teabaggers, birthers and town hall nutjobs as the lasp hurrah of modern Bircher conservatism, not its resurgence. Oh, these types will always be around, but they're not going anywhere.

Well, unless Obama & Dems foolishly and needlessly give them an opening.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


As Bleeding-Heart Liberal Professor (0.00 / 0)
I have to say that I prefer a thoughtful conservative to a pandering liberal any day of the week.  There is nothing more annoying than having someone repeat your opinions without actually understanding them, or being able to appropriate them in creative ways, or being able to imagine contexts where they are ill advised.  

When I teach community organizing, I have an exam (the only exam I give) where they have to give the "right" answers within the model I have taught.  The best exam I ever got was from an organizer who made it clear she understood what the model said she should do, and than then explained why she thought this was completely wrong.  Cool!  A+.  (I still don't agree with her, but who cares?)  I use her exam as an example of a good response for my students.

I doubt you can find an ideological conservative who would do that.  

In any case, most of what conservatives do is "project" what they do onto other people.  Which is why their increasingly rabid complaints about Obama and Alinsky are so fascinating.  As someone showed, it's actually conservatives who are buying Alinsky's books.  And using them (albiet without understanding much about what he was trying to do) in the health care protests, etc.  

So when they say liberal professors suppress people, they are really telling us what they do, and worrying that we are going to do the same thing.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


Very True (0.00 / 0)
The problem with conservatives is a multi-factor one that works against self-reflection.  Some degree of projection is inevitable and not even bad (projecting the assumption that you are communicating with a conscious being who can in turn understand you is pretty much a necessity for any communication).  But if you're not even aware that projection is happening, then you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of monitoring it for accuracy.

If you watch Rachel Maddow, you'll note that she invariably asks her guests to correct her if she's misrepresented anything in her intro.  A good very example, since it shows that she's taken the time to try to make a certain minimum understanding of the subject her own, as opposed to just reading what someone else has written, and then she checks it with the person she has on, before proceeding to ask any further questions.  A good self-check, and a good example.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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