Blue Dogs Have More To Lose Than Progressives

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 14:36


Responding to the Progressive Block strategy, which was designed to put the Progressive Caucus on equal footing with Blue Dogs, Ezra Klein seems to conclude that Progressives can never have more influence than Blue Dogs. This is because Blue Dogs only have incentives to oppose must-pass Democratic legislation, while Progressives only have incentives to support it:

What, in other words, is the endgame of this strategy? The hope seems to be that Rahm Emanuel turns his attention to beating Blue Dogs, rather than liberals, into line. Maybe. But what makes people think that's possible? What's his actual leverage against vulnerable Democrats voting for initiatives their voters don't obviously support in districts Barack Obama didn't win at a time when the president is no longer popular?

There's no successful model for blunting the power of centrists to write -- or kill -- the final compromise.(...)

The outcome of this strategy, then, seems to be that the Democratic Party pretty much collapses into infighting and fails to pass its top priorities and loses a bunch of seats in the next election. The media explains that the liberal Nancy Pelosi and her liberal House Democrats caused the electoral disaster, or that Democrats couldn't agree on an agenda.(...)

But it's hard to imagine that liberals will ever beat the Blue Dogs at their own game. The likelier outcome is that everybody loses.

Klein's central premise is that Progressives have no leverage to make Blue Dogs want to vote for good legislation, since opposing Democrats is popular in their districts.  However, Blue Dogs have leverage over Progressives, since Progressives don't want Democrats to lose seats.

The reason I disagree with Klein is fairly simple: if no health care legislation passes, and Democrats lose seats as a result, Blue Dogs are the people who will lose the seats, not Progressives.  Even if Klein is correct and Democrats lose a bunch of seats because Progressives blocked it, Blue Dogs are actually the ones who will bear the brunt of those losses. As such, Blue Dogs have more to lose if health care fails to pass than Progressives.

And yes, we can afford to do this.  Not only do Democrats have a wide majority, but demographically the country is turning in a decidedly progressive direction.  Further, most (but admittedly not all) Blue Dog approved public policy sucks. They pushed the Iraq war just as much as Republicans. They pushed for financial de-regulation that led to our financial crisis just as much as New Democrats and Republicans.  They wouldn't even come to the negotiating table on cap and trade without removing EPA authority to regulate carbon, adding huge give-aways to polluters in their districts during the negotiations, and then most of them voted against the bill anyway.

If we feel that we have to protect Blue Dogs at all costs, then of course it will be impossible for Progressives to have as much leverage as Blue Dogs.  However, as soon as we make it clear that we don't feel much of a need to protect Blue Dogs, then they are the ones who have a lot more reason to cave into our demands.  If another Republican wave really is coming, Blue Dogs will be the first Democrats to lose.

Chris Bowers :: Blue Dogs Have More To Lose Than Progressives

Tags: , , (All Tags)
Print Friendly View Send As Email

How clear is it that the Blue Dogs are the people who will lose the seats? (0.00 / 0)
I know you have made this argument here before.  But even assuming you are correct, do you think that the Blue Dogs understand this dynamic?

Seems to me that Ezra Klein is echoing conventional wisdom when he writes that there is not that much pressure on the Blue Dogs.  In criticizing this view, you may be correct; but the more important question to me is whether the Blue Dogs themselves BELIEVE you are correct.


If the Blue Dogs don't understand this (4.00 / 4)
All the more reason to let them go and hopefully find more politically savvy candidates on the next go around!

[ Parent ]
They'll understand (4.00 / 1)
Once a few of them lose their seats.

As the old saying goes, nothing concentrates the mind like the prospect of getting hanged in the morning.


[ Parent ]
It wont just be blue dogs (0.00 / 0)
With the storm that is coming our way, I think we are going to lose some seats that nobody ever thought possible.  What we are seeing are the signs of a watershed election.

It will be mostly Blue Dogs (4.00 / 4)
Even if you are right, it will still be mostly Blue Dogs. Further, the "surprise" seats that you forecast will be quickly won back. And not by Blue Dogs.

However, as of this writing, there is little evidence your forecast of a "watershed" election is correct. The Republican lead in the generic ballot is all of 1.8%. Democrats still have an edge in partisan ID and partisan favorability. Further, the economy has likely begun to expand again, and the job picture will be improving by March 2010 at the latest.

That ain't a "watershed" election. At all.


[ Parent ]
A lead on the generic ballot for Republicans (0.00 / 0)
will put them at around 230 seats in the House.  The last time Republicans led on the generic ballot was 2004 and we all know how that turned out.  This will be a watershed election if Republicans regain the House(which they have a 50/50 shot at).  

[ Parent ]
Just not buying, anything else in your suitcase? (4.00 / 2)


--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
I don't think so (4.00 / 1)
According to the most dire predictions the Dems have at worst a 50-50 chance of losing 20 seats.  Not nearly enough to swing the House.

And this is all more than a year away.  You can change your underwear now.


[ Parent ]
Oh pish and tosh, does this sell anywhere? (4.00 / 1)


--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
The tide will be held back if we pass a good bill (4.00 / 5)
It will be 1994 if we pass no bill and if we pass a bad bill.

A good bill will jiu jitsu the dynamic in place right now

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


[ Parent ]
Yep, thats exactly right by my calculations. (0.00 / 0)
Someone should announce the end of the conservative era and the dawn of the progressive era.

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
Definitely More Vulnerable (0.00 / 0)
It's indisputable that the Blue Dogs are more vulnerable. They are nearly all representing either marginal or Republican-leaning districts, and there is therefore always going to be a bulls-eye on them. If they haven't had close races in the recent past, it's because they haven't had strong challenges (which they would in a 94-style year) or have been running in Democratic years (2006 and 2008).

However, there is one caveat. If the Blue Dogs are getting assurances from wealthy contributors and/or the Republicans that they won't be seriously challenged, then they do have some interest in killing reform. I have a hard time believing the Republicans would give them a pass, since the Blue Dogs are the ones keeping them from a majority, but it's certainly possible that the Blue Dogs are counting on starving Republican opposition from adequate resources by selling their souls to insurance, drugs, etc. I think it's a stupid maneuver, but there's plenty of evidence that people don't always do what's in their best interest - just what they think is in their best interest.


Not only Blue Dogs (4.00 / 1)
"the Blue Dogs are counting on starving Republican opposition from adequate resources by selling their souls to insurance, drugs, etc."

That is, after all, Rahm's plan.  Sell out for corporate money to keep power.  Screw the people.


[ Parent ]
If Blue Dogs are getting "assurances" from Republicans... (0.00 / 0)
...and they're stupid enough to believe that Republicans will hold up any bargain offered to a Democrat (Blue Dog or otherwise), then they're stupid enough to deserve what they get.

[ Parent ]
That's not what he's saying. (4.00 / 1)
Klein's central premise is that Progressives have no leverage over Blue Dogs, since opposing Democrats is popular in their districts. However, Blue Dogs have leverage over Progressives, since Progressives don't want Democrats to lose seats.

He's not saying Progressives don't want Democrats to lose seats. What he is saying is that Progressives want to get good policy passed, whereas Blue Dogs don't. And that if the Progressives decide they don't want to vote for a bill which implements good policy (defined as "better than what we have now"), the Blue Dogs will be more than happy not to vote for it either, and the whole thing collapses.

The electoral/political ramifications you mention are an entirely separate concern which he doesn't address (or, for that matter, appear to even notice). And indeed, as you say, these would appear to work in the opposite direction. And perhaps answer this question of Ezra's:

The hope seems to be that Rahm Emanuel turns his attention to beating Blue Dogs, rather than liberals, into line. Maybe. But what makes people think that's possible? What's his actual leverage against vulnerable Democrats voting for initiatives their voters don't obviously support in districts Barack Obama didn't win at a time when the president is no longer popular?

The leverage he could use is that if they don't pass bills, all Democrats will become unpopular, and the Blue Dogs would bear the brunt of the resulting losses. Emphasis, of course, on could.


He isn't talking about leverage? (4.00 / 2)
Really?

What's his actual leverage against vulnerable Democrats voting for initiatives their voters don't obviously support in districts Barack Obama didn't win at a time when the president is no longer popular?

Seems to be talking about leverage to me. The central premise of his piece is that Progressives and the Obama administration have no leverage to overcome the unwillingness of Blue Dogs to pass good legislation.

I am saying they have such leverage. Rahm won't ever use it, because he has long employed a "protect Blue Dogs at all costs" strategy, which requires caving to the Blue Dogs on everything. But it is there potentially.


[ Parent ]
What exactly is Rahm supposed to do to exert pressure on Blue Dogs? (0.00 / 0)
I think Ezra is essentially right when he suggests that the only real, effective pressure may be primary challenges.

Do you have something else in mind?


[ Parent ]
Do what he did to progressives on the war funding vote (4.00 / 2)
threaten to pull party funding for their campaigns, or to talk to third parties about pulling issue ads.

Similarly, he could dangle party funding for their campaigns, visits/fundraisers by the Obamas, Biden, or any numbers of fundraisers in DC or their district.  

All of this would hurt/help Blue Dogs more than it would progressives, since Blue Dogs are in swingier districts and will face closer elections.

Hell, leadership coudl even just logroll, and leave lines in the next damn farm bill for them in exchange for the health care bill for them.  


[ Parent ]
Blue dogs often sit in low Dem vote area's (and we feel for them) and just (4.00 / 1)
not helping them very much would be enough to put the fear  in some. But every district is different.  

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
Yes, really (4.00 / 1)
The reason liberals have a reputation for not wanting to let the world burn is that all the anti-burn initiatives under discussion are, in fact, items from their agenda. They really, really, really don't want the world to burn. It's possible they'll be able to do it once. But what happens then? The Blue Dogs, now distancing themselves from a party that seems to be plummeting in the polls, will happily abandon cap-and-trade, because that's their preferred position anyway.

This is what he writes first and is his central point.  First and foremost it is about what these legislators want.  Leverage is only necessary, after all, if the legislator doesn't want to vote a certain way.

I believe Ezra is wrong with his conclusion right now because we have 60 Democratic Senators, not 49, thus we have more room to work with.  


[ Parent ]
I think we're vehemently agreeing with each other here. (0.00 / 0)
If you'll take another look at end of my post, I said more or less exactly the same thing.

I think the misunderstanding stems from this:

(1) Ezra Klein writes an article which can be summarized as, "progressives want to pass good policy, Blue Dogs don't, therefore the Progressive Block plan is stupid and doomed to failure because if Progressives vote against it the Blue Dogs will be quite happy to vote against it also. (maybe Rahm could pressure them somehow? but how would he do that?)"

(2) You reply by writing, essentially, "Ezra's central thesis is wrong, the Blue Dogs have more political incentive to get things passed than the Progressives". But the central thesis wasn't political incentive, it was policy incentive. Political incentive was mentioned in one paragraph, phrased as a question, and its existence denied only implicitly. In particular, I didn't see something like this anywhere in the article: "However, Blue Dogs have leverage over Progressives, since Progressives don't want Democrats to lose seats." (and while that last bit is doubtlessly true, I think the Progressives care a lot more about passing good policy than about electing Democrats, so this is not leverage and in aggregate the sentence is not true.)

Anyway, basically, I think the article would've been better phrased along the lines of "Ezra is wrong to assume Progressives/Rahm hold no political leverage over Blue Dogs" or "@ Ezra: in answer to your question, here's how the Blue Dogs could be pressured politically".

But it doesn't seem we're in disagreement on anything substantive.


[ Parent ]
Progressives know they are safe (4.00 / 2)
What they may start to realize is that it's not their responsibility to save the Blue Dogs from the consequences of Blie dog's bad principles and bad decisions.

That is the Blue Dogs' responsibilty. In reality the Blue Dogs will be safer if they vote for a good bill than a bad bill. They may not believe that but it's true.

The Blue dogs have an incorrect theory of how independent voters make their decisions on whom to vote for.  Unlike Dems or Republicans, they are non ideological.  The substance of what a poltiician believes isn't as important  as that politicians sincerely believe in something, act on it strongly and assertively.  Independents admire strength, not weakness.  They say they want bipartisanship,  but that's really just another word for making government work well.

Blue Dogs do know enough that they are in jeopardy if there is no bill....They aren't that dumb.  And they actually do want something to pass in terms of health care

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


[ Parent ]
Exactly (0.00 / 0)
I just hopped into the comments to make the same point.

If a bill will make the lives of real people better, progressives will vote for it.

I support the Progressive Block on the public option because I think the Blue Dogs really want something to pass and we have back-door options to only use 50 votes.  As long as that is the dynamic I think it can and will work.

But Ezra is completely correct in general.  While some people like Rahm may have internalized the conflict too much, to the point they hate liberals and think the Blue Dogs are teh awesome, the underlining truth will always be there.

People who are more conservative are less likely to vote for big changes.  No amount of wishful thinking or grand plans will change that.


[ Parent ]
But (4.00 / 3)
Do you think there is a bill that will actually make people's lives better that Blue Dogs want to support?

If so, what bill is that?


[ Parent ]
Keeping promises (0.00 / 0)
I support the Progressive Block and promised to myself to keep my rhetoric in line with that support.  Therefor I will not answer this question at this time.

[ Parent ]
Answer (4.00 / 3)
Actually, upon reflection, I can answer this, even if what first popped into my head would have been inappropriate.

I don't really know that Blue Dogs want, and suspect you are correct that any bill they would write themselves would do little if anything to help.

But I do believe they want the perception of passing health care and can be pushed into supporting a bill that legitimately improves the status quo.  This, plus the 51 vote options, is why I think the Progressive Block will work.


[ Parent ]
Well done Mark! (0.00 / 0)
LOL and isn't wonderful that reality and being honest is also the best way forward.

Hold the line, help the blue dogs by accident! Support progressives and let our allies learn from action.

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
No Mark that isnt true. progressives aren't being pollyannas here. (4.00 / 2)
The signed statement, and it was signed by the way, its not just a euphemism, was that they could not will not vote for a bill merely because it has Health in the title. They wont let this moment go. They know its time, and they will not let it go by. Obama and the Blue dogs need a Bill, Progressives need nothing, but are willing to stake everything on this.

Chris is more than right about this. This is a moment in history, its not just the progrressive block, it is the emerging progressive majority. It is a change in American History.

This is a real thing happening here. I can almost hear the drums.


--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
Yes, yes. I agree! (4.00 / 1)
I fully support the Progressive Block and think it will work.

But there are specific reasons why I think it will work in this case.  But that doesn't disprove the generic point that those in the middle will always have more leverage.

In fact, let's expand this point further.  The reason the Progressive Block will work is we've let people redefine the middle!  Mathematically you need 50%+1 to pass anything.  There is nothing progressive can do to change that math.  But others are pretending we need 60%!  Or worse, that we must have Republican votes, implying even more than 60%.  That is what the Progressive Block really truly can break.

But if the Progressive Block was attempting to deny the math of 50%+1, I'd be against it.  Fortunately, that isn't what is going on.


[ Parent ]
There will be similar battles. (0.00 / 0)
If there isn't a crow bar moment for global warming, that we can see right this minute, there may be another wedge that will drive real change.

We need to get off oil for example, we need to stop being beholden to Saudi Oil as well, we need lots of jobs. Somewhere in that example is something that ensure that reform is significant.

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
And the same tactic should be used (4.00 / 1)
As long as the math is on our side the same tactic should be used.

Really, this boils down to a philosophical choice: is it better to pass progressive legislation with the most possible votes or the fewest possible votes?

What the Progressive Block is doing more than anything else is stating that we should pass the most progressive legislation we can, which almost by definition means with the fewest votes.

I'm in favorer of passing the most progressive legislation we can.  I'm not interested in moral victories.  Sometimes this will require compromising and sometimes this will require strong-arming.  Usually it will require both.


[ Parent ]
True on the main point. (0.00 / 0)
The power of thre progresive caucus relies in some part on the fact that they are safe from retribution for their moral ethical stand on this, but also because the rest of the Democrats are not. If a bill isnt passed, it will not be the progressive caucus thats hurt, it'll be every other democrat. That wont always be true.

"America wants us to pass a health bill"

"So rename the pharma give-away a health reform bill"

"No"

"what do you mean no?"

"NO"

"But they'll be angry"

"Thats right"

"What are you saying?"

"We wont pass a bandaid, do nothing bill to fool the American People, not this time. If you want a health bill, pass real reform."

"We'll lose seats if you vote it down!"

"yes, you will, so pass real reform."

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
There will be similar battles. (0.00 / 0)
If there isn't a crow bar moment for global warming, that we can see right this minute, there may be another wedge that will drive real change.

We need to get off oil for example, we need to stop being beholden to Saudi Oil as well, we need lots of jobs. Somewhere in that example is something that ensure that reform is significant.

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
I did not post this twice. please delete. rellay I have no idea why there are two. (0.00 / 0)


--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
And note also that it's something of a collective action problem. (4.00 / 3)
If Democrats become unpopular, many Blue Dogs will lose. And if Democrats become unpopular, each individual Blue Dog can try to reduce their own chances of losing by running away from the Democrats as fast and as far as possible. However, if Blue Dogs run away from the other Democrats, bills won't get passed, and Democrats will become unpopular.

It's something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. But in reality there's nothing preventing the Blue Dogs from realizing the situation they're in, communicating with each other, and resolving to get legislation passed so that Democrats don't become unpopular and Blue Dogs don't lose.

Now this would suggest that if the Blue Dogs were truly indifferent to policy outcomes and interested only in political gain and also not stupid, they would still band together and, knowing their own interests, vote for Democratic policy en bloc. But they don't. The question is: why?

Potential hypotheses:

(A) They're not actually indifferent to policy outcomes, and have an interest in outcomes which are less progressive, and are even willing to work against their own political interests to achieve this.

(B) They're not actually not stupid.

(C) There's also the matter of industry contributions to take into account: the further a Blue Dog runs from good policy, the more industry contributions they get (and the less which go to their potential opponents). This compounds the collective action problem.

Personally, I think (C) is the likeliest. It would indicate we need some external pressure of our own to pull the Dogs back in the right direction.

Which, of course, we already knew.

Politics is complicated!


[ Parent ]
C may be likely (0.00 / 0)
But I'm going with B as well.

[ Parent ]
No, Blue Dogs will not follow Progressive Dems (0.00 / 0)
And that if the Progressives decide they don't want to vote for a bill which implements good policy (defined as "better than what we have now"), the Blue Dogs will be more than happy not to vote for it either, and the whole thing collapses.

Blue Dogs are Blue Dogs because in their districts voters tend to think Progressive Dems are too liberal. They don't want to be in the same vote count with Progressive Dems.

If the Progressive bloc in the House holds its ground and defeats watered down Health Care Reform, Blue Dogs will vote for it and claim being on the right side.

If nothing changes, I don't think they risk losing their seats, as Bowers claims.

They could only risk losing their seats if the Obama Administration throws its hat in the Progressive Dems ring. As others point out below, Leverage is missing.    


[ Parent ]
asdf (0.00 / 0)
I don't think it's the "appearance of being liberal" factor. It's the "offends major corporations" factor.

[ Parent ]
The real politics are all with the left (4.00 / 1)
As long as mandates can be tied to the public option. No Public Option = No mandates. Any compromised bill becomes insurance regulation not an outcome the Blue Dogs and their supporters desire.

see why Fred Hiatt hired him (4.00 / 3)
We can lose half the Blue Dogs and still have a dozen seat majority. Plus a far stronger caucus and messaging consistency.

Let them dig their own grave.

On twitter: @BobBrigham


Here's the part that a lot of us haven't gotten our minds around yet: (0.00 / 0)
RAHM DOES NOT CARE IF THE DEMOCRATS LOSE CONTROL OF CONGRESS. It does not matter to him becoz he is pimping the oval office and is taking campaign bids for that office right now. The democratic majority is actually a problem for him becoz now he has less cover to deceive the the democratic party as to what his objectives are: to pretty much sell out the oval office to the biggest campaign bidders as long as he and the head pr man for the establishment, obama, continue to have control of that nexus of power. He'd prefer to have more republicans, maybe even a republican majority, becoz it gives them more cover to sell out to corporate interests due to the political landscape and the need for bi-partisanship/corporateship to pass legislation.

This is the clinton model. He sold out on a hell of a lot in his first term, but got the campaign cash he needed to won re-election. That's all that mattered to him. And that's all that matters to the power hungry former member of his administration, rahm. Especially with the executive branch having so much more power now and so little accountability to the american people. It's the kind of environment a cockroach like rahm thrives in.

It's clear IMO that the dynamic duo of dlc deceit, the pope of hope (yes I know that obama is not dlc member in name, he is a "new democrat" ... big fucking difference) and his sidekick, emanuel, have little desire to use the democrat majorities in the senate and house to push through any non-business friendly legislation. No, they continually finagle ways that they "must" negotiate with the proxies for big business, namely the blue dogs and the republicans, even though they frequently get ZERO votes in return like in the stimulus bill and likely in any universal health care legislation. If they have no desire to use those majorities, then why would they want them?

They don't and that is what most democrats haven't quite gotten their minds around yet.

Z


Chris, could you explain this to Jan Schakowsky? (0.00 / 0)
My Congresswoman still doesn't get this. She's a cosponsor of HR676 but won't promise to vote against a bill without at least a public option. And her seat is as safe as they come: before her, Sid Yates held it for half a century!

She should be called again, she is damn close to a "public option or nothing" position. (0.00 / 0)
Get her wound up and feeling her progressive oats and she'll just spit it out. She may already have one.

I like Jan a lot.

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
I've called and also spoken in person to a staffer in her local office (0.00 / 0)
Jan is still too close to Rahm I fear....

[ Parent ]
I just called the Washington office today. (4.00 / 3)
I'm a constituent.  They told me the same.  They said she will vote for nothing less than a robust public option.

They did dance around a touch when I asked if that meant public option or no bill, so I still feel a little unsure.  The Bush years have left me hyper paranoid -- I'm sitting here turning the words over and over looking for a loophole.  Still, sounds firm; I think I'm just being twitchy.  BTSD -- Bush Traumatic Stress Disorder strikes again.

I also told the staffer that I've already told the DCCC that I'm not donating anymore 'til I see healthcare w/ a public option.  I want the message to get through loud and clear.


[ Parent ]
Thanks for calling, for reporting and for telling the DCCC about delayed donations (4.00 / 1)
The last is a great idea!

If anyone else is doing this we need a link. If not then we need a way to build the number of people doing that.

Thanks for all of it!

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
I'd be shocked if other people aren't already (4.00 / 1)
cutting off the DCCC, DSCC, and the DNC all on their own, just going by the comments I'm seeing all over the blogosphere.  

Maybe an organized response would be good, or maybe it'll frighten them more that without any visible grassroots effort they're getting their hands bit when they reach out to the reliable small donors.  Don't know.  Do the official Dems have enough sense to take a hint?  More data on how the fundraising is going lately would be useful.



[ Parent ]
Hallelujah (0.00 / 0)
I guess all my lobbying paid off. ;D

Now how do we get her to sign this?:

http://theplumline.whorunsgov....


[ Parent ]
personal interest vs. policy interest (4.00 / 1)
someone else said it but this is really the dichotomy of interests that the block is seeking to exploit.

basic assumption: all congress-critters want to maintain their positions

the thinking is thus:
IF the dems don't pass a good bill
AND CONSEQUENTLY dems take big losses in 2010
THEN those losses will be concentrated in the marginal districts occupied by blue dogs.  progressives survive.
POLICY RESULT - status quo on health care, negative implications for other policy initiatives

                 OR

IF the dems pass a bad bill
AND CONSEQUENTLY dems take big losses in 2010
THEN those losses will be concentrated in the marginal districts occupied by blue dogs.  progressives get challenges from their left
POLICY RESULT - health care is worse, negative implications for other policy initiatives

                  OR

IF the dems pass a good bill
AND CONSEQUENTLY dems take minimal to no losses in 2010
THEN those losses those losses will be limited to highly marginal districts occupied by blue dogs.  progressives survive.
POLICY RESULT - health care is better, positive implications for other policy initiatives

                  OR

IF the dems pass a good bill
AND CONSEQUENTLY dems pick up seats in 2010
THEN those losses those wins may occur in even more marginal districts and will be occupied by blue dogs.  some existing blue dogs get a bit less blue. progressives thrive.
POLICY RESULT - health care is better, positive implications for other policy initiatives


Very well laid out. Could use some layout, but thats justa joke. (0.00 / 0)
Thanks sfalex.

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
i should probably look over my own writing when i cut and paste (0.00 / 0)
whoops!

[ Parent ]
Bribery #1 reason (0.00 / 0)
If you blame the failure of our health care system and our attempts to reform it on ANYTHING other than the $46 million in bribes from the insurance industry alone, I have a bridge to sell you.

The insurance industry IS GOING TO WIN, it's just a matter of how much.

Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net
http://SinglePayer.info

Jack Lohman

http://MoneyedPoliticians.net

http://SinglePayer.info


USER MENU

Open Left Campaigns

SEARCH

   

Advanced Search

QUICK HITS
STATE BLOGS
Powered by: SoapBlox