A Different America -- The Situation of Economic Polarization

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Sep 05, 2009 at 18:30


Throughout the month of August, I responded to several Salon columns by Michael Lind--published on Tuesdays--the following weekend.  This week, I responded to Lind's column the same day, in "[I Should Be] Looking For The Next FDR With Michael Lind".  Out of that came a very clarifying comment by John Emerson that inspired me to write a followup diary this weekend.  But as I started work on it, I realized that I first needed to finally correct a long-standing oversight, and discuss the importance of social science situationism, not to be confused with the revolutionary Situationist Internationale.  The Situationist blog associated with The Project on Law and Mind Sciences at Harvard Law School explains:

There is a dominant conception of the human animal as a rational, or at least reasonable, preference-driven chooser, whose behavior reflects preferences, moderated by information processing and will, but little else.  Laws, policies, and the most influential legal theories are premised on that same conception.  Social psychology and related fields have discovered countless ways in which that conception is wrong.  "The situation" refers to causally significant features around us and within us that we do not notice or believe are relevant in explaining human behavior. "Situationism" is an approach that is deliberately attentive to the situation.

An important part of my core differences with Lind spring from a situationist perspective.  I don't think that many people's basic attitudes have changed as much as he does, nor do I think that some of the actors he identifies are responsible for the changes he associates them with.  Rather, I think that the political/economic situation has changed dramatically, and that we need to adopt political practices that take account of that changed situation, and seek to modify its impact.

One of the clearest ways to get a handle on that change is from the various presentations of changes in income and wealth concentration from the work of US Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez.  Here's an example:

It's my primary contention that people living in a highly income-polarized society--as we do today--will act in ways quite different from those living in a more income-equalized society, such as predominated during the Post WWII New Deal Era, and even into the 70s and early 80s.  It's my second contention that while changes in attitudes and actions have taken place, and vast ideological structures have been erected, these are more reflections of a changing economic situation, and have substantially less to do with changes in core attitudes.  It's my third contention that the neoliberal trap Obama is caught in--which Lind wrote about in the column I agreed with most--is itself a manifestation of old-style non-situationist thinking, which systematically misapprehends the foundations of human action.  In short, the problem goes much deeper than the Team of Rubins.

Paul Rosenberg :: A Different America -- The Situation of Economic Polarization
This diary has three parts.  First, I present some background on Situationism as it developed in thinking of Jon Hanson, co-creator of the Situtionist blog.  Second, I talk about the shift in income polarization as a situational shift.  Third, I talk about how both Lind and Obama misread that shift.

Situationism--Some Background

It's long been realized that people tend to focus on content and ignore context.  How else could advertising be so powerful an influence?  Social scientists--interestingly enough--codified this general awareness in response to being surprised by its power.  A 1967 experiment by Edward E. Jones and Victor Harris found that subjects attributed pro-Castro attitudes to writers of essays supporting Castor, even when they were told that the essays--including the position to take--were assigned, rather than freely chosen.  Subjects ignored the fact that writers were told to write pro-Castro essays, and instead attributed the context-determined arguments to the writers' own attitudes.  A decade later, social psychoilogist Lee D. Ross coined the term, "fundamental attribution error" to describe this phenomena.

The broader tendency to ignore situational factors in favor of dispositional ones--not just at the level of individual perception, but as a general pattern of human cognition--has emerged as a central subject of critical scrutiny in the work of Harvard Law Professor Jon Hanson and a network of colleagues who contribute to the blog he co-founded, The Situationist, which is associated with The Project on Law and Mind Sciences at Harvard Law School.  Their work has a positive, constructive thrust in its concern with understanding situational causation generally, but critiquing and countering naive and overbroad dispositional explanations is necessarily a recurring part of their work as well.

An indication of the power of this approach can be gained from reading a series of ten blog posts Hanson co-wrote with David Yosifon on the subject of what they call "deep capture", which bears a striking resemblance to Antonio Gramsci's concept of hegemony. Historically--my point here--deep capture of our theories of human action means that dispositionalism underlies, among other things, a theory of consumer choice/sovereignty that in turn casts giant corporations as liberating agents of human freedom. It would take an entire blog post just to fairly summarize their argument (much less my own two cents), but one can get a sense of how their approach works from the introduction to the final installment, combined with the summary of previous ones.  Intro:

This is the tenth part of a series on what Situationist Contributor David Yosifon and I call "deep capture." The most basic prediction of the "deep capture" hypothesis is that there will be a competition over the situation (including the way we think) to influence the behavior of individuals and institutions and that those individuals, groups, entities, or institutions that are most powerful will win that competition.

Previous posts in this series (which are summarized at the bottom of this entry), reviewed a sample of the evidence indicating that pro-commercial dispositionism has been widely accepted as the presumptive starting place for policy analysis. The previous post in this series described the strategy of relying on credible third-party messengers.  This post suggests how that strategy may have influenced legal theory and law.

Summary of previous entries in the series:

Part I of this series explained that our "deep capture" story is analogous to the (shallow) capture story told by economists (such as Nobel laureate George Stigler) and public choice theorists for decades regarding the competition over prototypical regulatory institutions. Part II looked to history (specifically, Galileo's recantation) for another analogy to the process that we claim is widespread today - the deep capture of how we understand ourselves. Part III picked up on both of those themes and explains that Stigler's "capture" story has implications far broader and deeper than he or others realized. Part IV examined the relative power (measured as the ability to influence situation) of large commercial interests today, much like the power of the Catholic Church in Galileo's day. Part V described other parallels between the Catholic Church and geocentrism, on one hand, and modern corporate interests and dispositionism, on the other. Part VI laid out the "deep capture hypothesis" a bit more and  began loosely testing it by examining the role that it may have played in the "deregulatory" movement. Part VII provided some illustrative examples of how atypical "regulators," from courts to hard-hitting news networks, reflect and contribute to deep capture. Part VIII contrasted different cultures for evidence  of commercial interests in promoting dispositionism. Part IX described the strategy of employing third-party messengers.

In short, what Hanson and Yosifon have presented is, for all intents and purposes, a non-Marxist account of corporate hegemony.  Modern-day corporatism legitimates itself on the presumed basis of "consumer sovereignty" and the "free will" of consumers freely choosing goods and services in the "free market."

But the reality is that "free choice" is actually quite constrained by our situation as consumers.  Where, exactly does one go to purchase the continued survival of our planet in comfortably habitable form?  Where did that choice go to?  While it may be true that we have individual product choices within the situation of corporate capitalism, as a species we very clearly do not have the choice of what situational structures to live in--even if the one we're stuck in will eventually spell our doom.

The Situation Of Income Polarization

With the above commentary in mind, we may now turn to the data on income inequality and see it with new eyes. Prior to the Great Depression, wealth was highly concentrated, and poverty widespread.  There was a relatively small middle class.  The transformations that came after that produced an unprecedented level of shared affluence, which was widely perceived as part of a natural progression--particularly as it was broadly shared throughout the Western World, and increasingly in East Asia as well.  However, the recent resurgence in income inequality strongly suggests that this was not a natural progression of capitalist development, but rather a function of capitalist crisis confronting a combination of social forces which compelled a social bargain that was quite at odds with dispositional myth of individual free choice on which the corporate capitalist order was based.

This, at least, is the meaning I bring when I look at the charts generated by Emmanuel Saez from his collection of income data.  Looking at the period from the end of WWII to 1973, we see dramatic growth in the income of the bottom 99%, combined with only modest growth for the top 1%. This was normal for the New Deal era.  More than that, it was simply assumed to be just the way things were.  There followed a period of about a decade in which the income of both groups was virtually flat.  This was a period in which the larger framework of economic assumptions that had previously prevailed was challenged from the right, and abandoned by elites.  The results, reflected in Reagan's embrace of "voodoo economics", were clearly visible in the aftermath of this period, as the bottom 99% made modest gains, while the top 1% skyrocketed, until the bubble burst in the late 1980s.  Growth for both rekindled under Clinton, slightly less unequal than under Reagan, but nothing remotely like it had been under the New Deal system.  And then came the Bush II rollercoaster--which both hit and helped the top 1% a disproproationate amount, while the bottom 99% returned to full limp mode:

In a similar vein, this next chart shows how consumer prices continued rising from 1973 on, while average incomes stagnated for years:

Finally, we see how little growth there's been in average wages, while CEO pay has skyrocketed since the 1970s.  Note that the pay scale here is logarithmic.  It has to be.  A linear scale chart would have to be either far too big, or else illegible:

What these charts show, collectively, is the massive disconnect between the ideology of the free market and the reality of corporate capitalism today, which leads us directly to our next section.

The Situation Of Confusion About Income Polarization

Market competition has one overwhelming long-term impact: it drives down prices.  Capitalism is based on capital accumulation, which cannot be accomplished in a condition of perfect market competition.  Thus, capitalism is not--as commonly believed--synonymous with free markets.  Indeed, it's not even actually compatible with them.  Capitlaism depends on the exploitation of market flaws.  Competition is fine for everyone else, except the successful capitalist.

This is precisely what we have seen over the past 30-40 years.  Most workers have been forced into a global competitive market place, but a relatively small number of elite workers have been spared--most prominently corporate CEOs, and other extremely high-wage workers, most visibly, but not exclusively, in the financial sector.  The most powerful of these have not only been able to insulate themselves from competitive pressures, they've been able to monopolize control of money flows, effectively setting their own rates of compensation, along with those of friends and associates who help stability and secure their robber barron redoubts.

The problem, in short, is the capitalist system itself, rationalized in terms of individual consumer sovereignty in order to attack all would-be critics as themselves somehow anti-democratic elitists (perhaps even Stalinist fascists, or Hitleran Communists, whatever.)  The broadly shared prosperity of the New Deal Era reflected the superiority of a mixed economy, and subsequent polarization reflects the capitalist looting of that shared prosperity.  However, so long as realist criticism is preempted by free-market ideology, grounded in the myth of consumer sovereignty, the prospects for re-establishing an equitable economic order remain extremely remote at best.

Michael Lind understands this basic reality, however much he misunderstands how and why the New Deal economy and politics were overthrown.  If I were to quickly sketch out how I think he goes astray it would be this: First, he does not sufficiently recognize the short-comings of the New Deal system, of what it meant for women and minorities, as well as low-income white men, to be left out of the broader social compact--or at best, to offered only relative crumbs.  Second, he fails to recognize that post-50s progressive movements aimed at rederessing these grievances were not antagonistic to the central thrust of New Deal gains, and the broad uplift of labor.  To the contrary, they took such gains for granted as a fact of life, and sought to build on them.  Third, the erosion of union power had begun long before the emergence of such movements--starting when union density peaked in the 1950s--but labor did not suffer the consequences of eroded power until much later, in the 1970s, when corporations turned sharply hostile.  Fourth, the very consumerist/individualist/free market ideology that would prove so devastating in the Reagan era had actually been growing in the bowels of the labor movement itself since the early post-WWII era--the more unions won a piece of the good life for their members, the more bourgoise Republicanism began to grow among them, aided and abetted by a variety of government programs which helped working-class urban workers move to the suburbs, become homeowners and join the middle class.  

In short, what Lind fails to see is a larger pattern of causation spread out over a longer period of time, running beneath the surface of the sorts of political dramas that have captured his attention. And beyond that, he fails to realize that these patterns all reflect a deeper fact--the inherent tendency of capitalism toward extreme inequality, rationalized in the name of individual freedom.  Lind sensed this--but misapprehended what he was sensing--when he wrote:

In my darker moments, I sometimes wonder whether the relatively brief influence of labor unions in the Democratic Party in the mid-20th century was not an exception to the rule of elitism in American politics. You can write a narrative of American history in which, first, agrarian populism and 19th-century labor movements are crushed by repression and bloodshed by the 1900s. Then organized labor, after a brief, unforeseen period of influence from the 1930s to the 1960s, is crushed a second time by neoliberal Democrats and conservative Republicans alike, leaving an America in which the only significant conflicts are those within the economic elite.

Lind is on to something, but it's not nearly as big as the whole of the story of deep capture Hanson and Yosifon write about, which is really the foundation of the powers Lind is struggling with.

Obama's confusion is far more profound than Lind's.  Obama appears to be a total ideological prisoner of the deep capture that Lind at least opposes, though without fully grasping.  Obama, in fact, is a true believer on the other side--albeit for "good" reasons: he truly wants to see everyone "be all they can be", just like the Army used to say.  The naive belief in dispositionalism lies at the heart of the neoliberal worldview.  It explains both the hands-off approach to Wall Street, and eagerness to see them start making money hands over fist, as well as the drive toward school privatization, and willingness to cut deals on health care, the stimulus, climate change, you name it.

The historical reality is the American people remain largely united in the shared values of the New Deal era, but those values have been submerged in the rightwing political shift toward the highly income-polarized present.  Obama's naive prescription was to set aside the culture wars--which he associates with the growth of polarization--and reclaim a broad bipartisan majority approach to dealing with non-culture-war issues.  However, this prescription totally ignores the fact that income polarization means that political elites and the American people have radically opposite views on precisely the bread-and-butter issues he seeks unity on.

In point of fact, Obama's team of Wall Street economic advisers and Bush's team of Wall Street economic advisers are much closer to one another than either of them is to the great mass of the American people.  And if this is less true in other areas, Obama is still quite willing to cut deals that effectively close the gaps between elite power groups, consistently at the expense of the larger public.  This is the very essence of Tony Blair's Third Way: Thatcherism done better than Thatcher herself could do it.

Thus, Bill Clinton passed NAFTA when Bush I could not, and Obama will privatize thousands of schools where Bush II's "No Child Left Behind" could not.  He will also keep fighting Bush/Cheney's "long war" far longer than they could have, simply by not calling the "war on terror" any longer.

Obama will, from time to time, give lip service to a more comprehensive progressive vision--connecting green jobs and the fight against global warming to the stimulus was an example of this. But he does not live in this kind of deeply embedded, systematically inter-connected world, this kind of holistic vision, however easily he seems to speak of it. Instead, he lives in the fragmented, individualist, neoliberal world where he has done so well as an articulate social climber.  And so he finds it very easy to cut deals that cut the legs out from under those who have supported his meteoric rise--on health care, on the stimulus, on giving free reign to Wall Street banksters, on fighting global warming, on any issue you can name.  

Sure he would like to cut a deal that will save the planet from catastrophic global warming. But if he can't, no biggie.  Because he is a true believer in dispositonalism.  And his heart was pure.


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There's much in here I agree with and a few places where I don't (4.00 / 2)
First of all, thanks for posting this.  I really appreciate the detail even if I have NOT read the 10-part series by Hanson and Yosifson.  But it looks interesting.  Even without reading it, the deep capture idea resonates with me.  Do you think it is similar to the thesis advanced by Thomas Frank in "One Market Under God"?  It sounds like it,  I think that was Frank's best and most original book, by the way.

Re Lind's going astray on your four points:

1.  Not understanding the deficiencies of the New Deal System as it impacted women, minorities and poor white men.

This is probably true.  Lind doesn't talk about it much.

2.  Not recognizing that progressive movements after the fifties were non-antagonistic to the New Deal:

A mixed bag.  Which progressive movements?  The Civil Rights movement was not antagonistic to the New Deal, it wanted its expansion to include them.  Whites in many parts of the labor movement, seeing a zero-sum game in many cases, turned hostile to the Civil Rights movement, building antagonism where there initially may have been less and this ratcheted as the black movements themselves became more militant in response.  

The feminist movement had differences, some were more supportive of the New Deal ideals (socialist-feminism), others much less so.  

I don't know if you're counting the "counterculture" as part of the Left, but they were obviously more confused in their thinking (for many reasons) and were mostly uninterested in New Deal politics if not hostile in some cases.  

And then you had some of the misbegotten offspring of all these trends - Weatherman, which in it's most virulent form was actively hostile to the "bought off" white working class.

Lind reacts to this distorted image, but I think he's less wrong than you do.  However, to the extent that Lind ignores the real problems of the New Deal (point 1), he may be romanticizing things and taking sides in this dispute unfairly.  On the other hand I think your analysis tends to gloss over the real differences between the sixties movements and the New Deal movements.  

This basic dichotomy, which nobody has yet resolved, is, in fact, one of the biggest obstacles in building a strong left.

3.  You're quite right about the date of the erosion of union power and the delayed impact this had on the working-class.  Nixon was afraid to "zap Labor".  By Reagan's time, a different story.  Lind doesn't go into detail on this, but I'm not sure how critical a misunderstanding that is.

4.  Growth of "bourgeois Republicanism" in the working class due to what unionism had brought for them.  This is in many ways the same point as point 2.  It's true of course in many ways.  It's not as if the Weathermen etc. were making this stuff up out of whole cloth, but their infantile ways of trying to deal with it did much long-term harm to the movement.

This is really a general problem with incremental reform in general.  There is a strong tendency for the beneficiaries of incremental reforms to want to "pull up the plank" and think they "own" these benefits and want to deny them to others.  We saw many instances of this in the Health Care debate, by the way: "tell your Government to keep its hands off my Medicare" - which I believe our side handled very badly.  The point was not that people were too stupid to understand that Medicare WAS a government program (and let's have our media heroes poke fun at them), but that they were pulling up the plank on anyone else getting them and diluting "theirs". And given the neo-liberal death-grip on the economy, which Obama aids and abets, they may not have been totally wrong.

This is not an argument against incrementalism but we need to understand what is going on.  It was not uncommon to read this summer about the selfishness of anti-reform Medicare recipients not willing to "share" with others.  This reflects immature thinking.  The point must not be for the have-littles to share what little they have with the have-nots, but to claw it back from the plutocracy that has grown up around us, difficult as that task is.  This is where Lind is at his most provocative best: these people DO need, ultimately, to be won over, somehow. and Obama-style neoliberalism can't deliver those goods.  There are many naive Obama supporters who don't understand this.

The value of Lind is that he holds up a mirror showing us how our politics looks from the other side.  It is not that he offers any great prescription on how to get out of our predicament.  We can no more replicate the New Deal than we can replicate the Summer of Love.  

But these are the issues of our time.  

I repeat that I'd love to see a debate between you and Lind sometime.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


A Couple Of Points (4.00 / 1)
My response is going to be relatively brief, since I think we agree much more than not, and I don't want to waste time on minor quibbles.  The fact that we're coming closer together the longer we discuss and debate is a good thing, I believe, even though I fully expect new disagreements to emerge.  So let me just focus on the larger points--not all disagreements.

First off, I thought that Frank's One Market Under God didn't actually deliver what he was aiming for.  But it was a noble effort. I find Hanson's work less rhetorically ambitious, but more to the point.  It's worth reading through slowly and reflecting on.  I haven't re-read it in full since my first read, but I plan to soon.

Second, I stand by my claim that progressive movements after the fifties were non-antagonistic to the New Deal.  Some were relatively indifferent, one might argue, but none were truly antagonistic.   However, there is a sense in which some concerns were orthogonal, if you will. And because of that, tensions would naturally develop.

Third, the main reasons why there were tensions, however, was because the more radical elements of the New Deal coalition had already been purged.  Thus, the 1960s anti-war movement would have been right in line with Henry Wallace strand of the New Deal, but the Wallacites were written out of the post-McCarthy Cold War liberal consensus.  So it wasn't really New Deal vs. New Left, it was the center-right residue of the New Deal vs. New Left.

Finally, I guess I do want to make a point of agreeing with you about the failure to manage incremental change well and build on it.  I'm not opposed to incremental change per se, although I prefer to take all the big changes I can get.  (Hard to see how ending slavery incrementally would have worked, for example.  Don't you think?) But I think that those who actively advocate inctementalism have a special responsibility to make it work by fleshing out how it's supposed to keep us moving forward. And this is a responsibility they seem utterly and completely innocent of.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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We are indeed moving a bit closer (0.00 / 0)
I still than see a bit more antagonism between the sixties left and the New Deal than you do.  I do take your point about the center-right residue of the New Deal being different from the full original New Deal and now grasp, as I didn't before, the importance you attach to this issue.  

However, my formative experiences were with the Left residue of the New Deal.  These were outsiders, people who had been through the purges and somehow managed to hold on and still try to fight the good fight.  They were somewhat more tolerant of the New Left than their more centrist brethren, but they had a hell of a lot more in common with them than with the New Leftists.  Stockholm syndrome, perhaps?

Re incrementalism, of course, slavery had no incremental solution as Lincoln found out to his evident surprise.  And I guess that's the same argument from the Left against the Public Option - the people with power aren't fooled and no more want a slow death than a fast one.  Still, I must admit that I was persuaded by the initial Public Option arguments by Krugman and others and I'm surprised that this effort ended as badly as it looks like it has.  

I think in this case, though, the reason has more to do with bad tactics and "deep capture" of the government than with the ferocious resistance of the insurers.  Slaveholders held true sway over the South, and even non-slaveholding whites sided with them.  I really thought there would be less of that with insurers, who no one really likes.  A non-slaveholding white might dream of becoming a slaveholding grandee some day.  But nobody dreams of becoming an insurer.  

Their side played chess and our side played checkers.  By that, I mean, and agree with you, their side understood what was going on with the incrementalism game and our side did not.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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Some Further Thoughts (4.00 / 1)
I'm certianly quite aware of tensions between between Old Left remnants and the New Left.  Heck, I experienced some of that first hand.  And yes, Stockholm Syndrome was part of it, thought certainly not all.

But I think this is missing my main point, which is precisely that the personal orientations of individual activists is not a very helpful measure. That's the whole point of bringing in the situationist perspective.  Those who are older and more experienced will tend to see things in terms of their past experience, over-emphasizing continuity, and undervaluing novelty, while the newer activists will do the reverse.  This pattern can be expected to persist throughout most of human history, regardless of whether there are significant substantive changes in the issues or not.

So my point is not simply that there were a lot of leftists purged from the New Deal coalition, but that this purge reflected something more fundamental about the situation of American capitalism and politics, which we still need to come to grips with.

As for the experience with health care, I think a huge amount of responsibility lies with Barack Obama, and he has arguably screwed this up as badly as any Democratic President has screwed up at least since the Vietnam War.  His cult-like infatuation with bipartisanship is nearing the range of psychopathology, so far as I'm concerned.  Reality seems utterly irrelevant to him.  Progressives as a whole have been slow to realize how out-of-touch he is, but they seem to finally be grasping the need to stand apart from him. Had they fully realized this earlier on, the story could have been significantly different.

My analysis in a nutshell: Obama played "Go Fish", the Reps & the special interests played "52-Card Pickup", and the progressives weren't playing anything, they were waiting on Obama to deal the cards.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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And that is? (0.00 / 0)
So my point is not simply that there were a lot of leftists purged from the New Deal coalition, but that this purge reflected something more fundamental about the situation of American capitalism and politics, which we still need to come to grips with.

What does this purge tell you about the situation of American capitalism and politics?  

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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Well, I'm Still Grappling With This (0.00 / 0)
But as I see it, the irrationalism of McCarthyism back then, and Birthers/Tea-Baggers/Deathers right now is an integral part of political system, in the same way Minsky saw speculative bubbles and their bursting as integral parts of capitalist economies.  These are not "breakdowns" of "normal" order as conceive in very normal terms.  Rather, they are integral parts of the whole cycle, broadly conceived.

What I suggest this means is that everyone participates in these phenomena to some degree or another, even though some are much more over-the-top.  Not because we choose to, but simply because these phenomena are in some ways structural, built into the very nature of things.

This is still just a very murky intuition for me right now.  But it helps to explain, for example, the role of Wilson, a somewhat authoritarian progressive, in promoting the first national security state since the Alien and Sedition Acts during and after WWI--and in the process helping to start J. Edgar Hoover off on his long career.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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OK, thanks (0.00 / 0)
I'm sure you'll let us know when you get it more worked out.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.

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Comedians Talk About A Tough Room (0.00 / 0)
They have no idea!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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methinks (0.00 / 0)
you detected snark where none was intended.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.

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No (0.00 / 0)
The snark was all mine!

I really appreciate knowing that others share an interest in what I'm working on. (Or at least trying to.)

I just needed to make a little fun in the morning, that's all.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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A depressing illustration of "deep capture" (4.00 / 1)
I just picked up D. D. Guttenplan's new biography of I. F. Stone.  I read the first sentences of the preface (I haven't gone any further yet) and already it's depressing:

To the Meet the Press audience on December 12, 1949, there was nothing special about the confrontation between I. F. Stone and Dr. Morris Fishbein.  As editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Fishbein was a well-known foe of what the AMA called "socialized medicine" in any form; Stone, a sometime member of the Meet the Press panel ...

I. F. Stone a sometime member of the Meet the Press panel?  How far we have fallen! Deep capture indeed.  The battle is the same.  But our weapons are so much weaker.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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