The Purpose Of The Senate Whip Count

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 13:16


Here at Open Left, in partnership with Democracy for America's Stand With Dr. Dean and Health Care for America Now, we are keeping an ongoing count of public option supporters in the Senate.  The most recent count showed at least 44 public option supporters, and a few more who were either on the brink pending certain conditions or who had stated "not vote no" if a public option were included in a health care bill.

Last week, Nate Silver criticized the addition of the "will not vote against" category in the whip count. He argued that there were several ways that a Senator could pledge not to vote no, but could still work to defeat a public option in the Senate:

But what could Warner do -- while still being true to his word?

-- He could vote for an amendment that stripped the public option from the health care bill.

-- He could vote against, or even filibuster, an amendment that sought to add a public option.

-- He could lobby the Senate leadership not to put a bill with a public option on the floor.

-- He could try to become part of the conference committee reconciling the House and Senate bills, and negotiate against a bill containing a public option.

--Technically speaking, he could filibuster a health care bill containing a public option -- provided that he didn't vote against it if it overcame the filibuster and came to a floor vote.

--If the health care bill were cleaved into two pieces, he could arguably vote against whichever half of the bill contained the public option -- and then claim later that he'd  indeed voted for health care reform (before he'd voted against it)

I don't disagree with Nate on this one.  Senator Warner could be technically true to the literal meaning, though certainly not the spirit, of his words and still take actions against the passage of a public option.  He could also decide not to be true to his word, as Senator Mary Landrieu has done, and as some House Progressives are indicating they might do, and simply flip his position later on. In short, just because of his statement, there is no guarantee Senator Warner will never work against a public option in health care reform legislation.

However, while I understand Nate's objections, they would only apply if the purpose of the Senate whip count was to find 50 Senators who would do everything they could to pass a public option, thus guaranteeing passage.  Since we can't guarantee the actions of others, the actual purpose of the whip count is to demonstrate that it is possible to pass a public option through the Senate.

Full explanation in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: The Purpose Of The Senate Whip Count
Demonstrating that it is possible to pass a public option through the Senate is important because it prevents Democratic leaders from using their longstanding cop-out line to the progressive base: "oh, we fully support your position on issue X, but it was necessary to abandon that position in order to pass legislation / get elected." Arguing that progressive ideals are not politically possible has been a longstanding bludgeon that Democratic leaders have used to play both sides on key legislative battles.  They can reassure industry by passing bad legislation on the one side of the fence, while still receiving the support of the progressive base by telling them they secured the best outcome possible on the other.

I, for one, am tired of these repeated attempts to avoid accountability to the progressive base.  Through the whip count, I am seeking to demonstrate that any decision to abandon the public option will be a choice Democrats make, not a decision they were forced into due to limited political possibilities.

In fact, the whip count has already done this.  While only 44 Senators have clearly stated their support of a non-trigger public option, Mark Warner, Jon Tester, Ron Wyden, Mark Pryor, Max Baucus and Mark Begich have all indicated there are types of non-trigger public options they could support.  Really, a minimum of 55 Senate Democrats have stated there are types of public options they can support.  Given that it is possible to pass a public option through reconciliation according to some of the top experts on the subject, it is therefore possible to pass a public option in the Senate.

If no public option is passed as part of health care reform, it will not be because it was impossible to do so.  Instead, as the Senate whip count demonstrates, it will be because Democrats decided not to pass it.  As I have written in the past, it is possible to pass a public option as part of health care reform. There are 235 votes for some sort of non-trigger public option in the House, and the Blue Dogs who have implying they would vote against a public option don't add up to enough to block passage (not to mention that Eric Massa is actually opposing the bill as part of the Progressive Block). Further, there are over 50 votes in the Senate, and procedural maneuvers that could be used to pass a public option with only 51 votes in the Senate.

If it doesn't happen, don't accept the lie that it was impossible to pass a public option through the Senate.  In the meantime, fight like hell to make sure that Senate Democrats choose the right path.


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Of course (4.00 / 4)
You can never guarantee that someone taking a pledge will not renege on it somehow.  But that doesn't mean your whip counting is of no value.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a minute.  All these cognoscenti who just KNOW that a Public Option CAN'T pass - what true guarantees can THEY offer?  Just calcified conventional wisdom.  They may be right, they may be wrong, but nothing they say is guaranteed.

No, the only thing unusual about what you are doing is that it's new for the left to act this way.  The other side does this all the time.  And it's long overdue, whatever the final outcome.  

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


House Progressive Block (4.00 / 2)
More importantly, this is the kind of whip counted needed to work in conjunction with the Progressive Block in the House.  Once the Progressive Block is in place and forces a robust public option, the only remaining question is whether or not the the same bill will pass the Senate.

If the answer is no then the Progressive Block is doomed to failure.  If the answer is yes, then they should win if they hold steady.


Strange logic by Silver (0.00 / 0)
Suppose, for example, that the bill reported to the Senate does contain a public option. Anyone could then introduce an amendment which sought to eliminate it. This amendment would almost certainly get the approval of 39 of the 40 Republicans. If they were joined by some combination of 11 Democrats plus Olympia Snowe, the amendment would prevail.

Ok, suppose 11 traitors would really dare to vote with the rethuglicans for this. But the Senate count says 44 votes FOR the p.o. So, obviously, the majority of the Dem caucus would have no problem filibustering that ammendment, and the traitors and their rethuglican partners don't have enough  votes for cloture.

Well, looks like this hypothetical issue by Silver has a simple hypothetical solution.


well said (4.00 / 1)
Demonstrating that it is possible to pass a public option through the Senate is important because it prevents Democratic leaders from using their longstanding cop-out line to the progressive base: "oh, we fully support your position on issue X, but it was necessary to abandon that position in order to pass legislation / get elected." Arguing that progressive ideals are not politically possible has been a longstanding bludgeon that Democratic leaders have used to play both sides on key legislative battles.  They can reassure industry by passing bad legislation on the one side of the fence, while still receiving the support of the progressive base by telling them they secured the best outcome possible on the other.

I, for one, am tired of these repeated attempts to avoid accountability to the progressive base.  Through the whip count, I am seeking to demonstrate that any decision to abandon the public option will be a choice Democrats make, not a decision they were forced into due to limited political possibilities.

exactly!

thank you chris


Not sure… (4.00 / 2)
...but I think Open Left is the first place I read that centrist Dems will be in the most trouble come the midterms if no healthcare bill passes this fall. On Sunday, I heard the same sentiment on The Chris Matthews Show, which was a switch from Matthews' usual "Obama-needs-to-get-tough-with-progressives" tack. The perception is that the Republicans are in let's-sink-this-presidency mode, but fortunately, the partisan head-count/breakdown in the Senate means they can't do that without help from centrist Democrats. That message needs to be spread.

"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams

I will not "stand with" single-payer opponents (0.00 / 0)
-- like Dean. I found his expropriation of Wellstone's "Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party" as nauseating as the DLC calling their corporate-funded think-tank the "Progressive (sic) Policy Institute."  

Since single-.payer isn't on the table, so this is not really helpful. (0.00 / 0)
All hands should concentrate on the second best solution now, as long as there's a chance that at least the public option will pass. Don't forget, it's the foot in the door leading to single payer! And letting past animosities hamper the fight for a progressive health care reform is totally counterproductive. Divided you fall!

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"Public option" (0.00 / 0)
-- as originally proposed by Hacker (110-million-plus enrollees) could plausibly (usage as in "plausible deniability") be described as "step toward single-payer."

The current "reform" being touted by the WH and D leadership, with its feeble stump of a real "public option," massive subsidies for the for-profiteers, supported by Big Pharma and insurance hucksters, described by the industry as a "bonanza," is most certainly NOT a progressive proposal.

"...single-.payer isn't on the table..."

And just why is that so? Who is it that supports keeping single-payer "off-the-table"? Not just off-the-table -- but criminalizing state attempts at instituting single-payer programs? Are such industry shills worthy of the support of progressives, lefties, labor, liberals, etc?


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