Obama Defends Liberalism

by: Daniel De Groot

Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 00:00


Since there will be plenty of (vital) analysis on the policy and public option aspects of the speech, I'll eschew that, and highlight the ending, which I was extremely pleased to hear from a powerful American elected official.  

I think he sets it up well by mentioning "liberalism" in connection to Ted Kennedy (thus allowing an excuse for the dreaded "l" word to be spoken aloud), and tying that to the fear of big government:


For some of Ted Kennedy's critics, his brand of liberalism represented an affront to American liberty. In their mind, his passion for universal health care was nothing more than a passion for big government.

After a couple paragraphs extolling Kennedy and his work with various Republicans (which I will omit for brevity), he pivots from the specific to the general, and despite just praising Kennedy for his ideological flexibility, launches into a full bore defence of liberalism as a universal value:


That large-heartedness - that concern and regard for the plight of others - is not a partisan feeling. It is not a Republican or a Democratic feeling. It, too, is part of the American character. Our ability to stand in other people's shoes. A recognition that we are all in this together; that when fortune turns against one of us, others are there to lend a helping hand. A belief that in this country, hard work and responsibility should be rewarded by some measure of security and fair play; and an acknowledgement that sometimes government has to step in to help deliver on that promise.

This is not being vague.  I frequent the comments sections of non-partisan news sources, and right wingers frequently use the pejorative term "bleeding hearts" to disparage liberals, so opening with "large-heartedness" is a direct assault on the selfishness of conservativism.

Daniel De Groot :: Obama Defends Liberalism
Having set up liberalism a virtue, and a universal one, he ties it to specific government programs Americans approve of strongly:


This has always been the history of our progress. In 1933, when over half of our seniors could not support themselves and millions had seen their savings wiped away, there were those who argued that Social Security would lead to socialism. But the men and women of Congress stood fast, and we are all the better for it. In 1965, when some argued that Medicare represented a government takeover of health care, members of Congress, Democrats and Republicans, did not back down. They joined together so that all of us could enter our golden years with some basic peace of mind.

He also neatly manages to inform the audience that the right wing hyperventilators have been making the same always wrong predications about "socialism" in connection to every government program for 80 years or more.  

And finally, the underlying necessity of government in liberalism, and its keen awareness of the limits therein:


You see, our predecessors understood that government could not, and should not, solve every problem. They understood that there are instances when the gains in security from government action are not worth the added constraints on our freedom. But they also understood that the danger of too much government is matched by the perils of too little; that without the leavening hand of wise policy, markets can crash, monopolies can stifle competition, and the vulnerable can be exploited. And they knew that when any government measure, no matter how carefully crafted or beneficial, is subject to scorn; when any efforts to help people in need are attacked as un-American; when facts and reason are thrown overboard and only timidity passes for wisdom, and we can no longer even engage in a civil conversation with each other over the things that truly matter - that at that point we don't merely lose our capacity to solve big challenges. We lose something essential about ourselves.

This is the bold philosophical rationale for health care reform that steps outside the specific arguments for Obama's plan.  This is the foundation for so many other needed reforms, and goes beyond wonkery which is so very issue specific to the broad principles which endure.  Liberalism has been functioning very well in America for decades, and I'm glad a powerful and prominent Democrat finally got around to using liberalism's past successes to advertise for more of it.  


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My Obamabot take (4.00 / 4)
is that was the strongest ideological case for liberalism a President has ever given to a national audience. FDR or LBJ may have come close, I have not watched all of their major speeches.

Very impressed.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


Can't be (4.00 / 1)
Sorry, since you didn't vote for Obama you aren't allowed to call yourself an Obamabot.  Them the rules!

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Boo (0.00 / 0)
I'm pretty sure Jerome Armstrong called me one, doesn't that count for something?  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

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Obama is a product of Kenya, they are starting to export Presidents (4.00 / 1)
Obamabots come in all flavours. Of course you can be one.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Maybe, But So What??? (4.00 / 7)
If you give a speech that's totally drenched in liberal values, you don't really need to tack on a little couple-of-paragraphs meta-message to pat yourself on the back.  See, for example, LBJ's "We Shall Overcome
speech introducing the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which began thus:

I speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of Democracy. I urge every member of both parties, Americans of all religions and of all colors, from every section of this country, to join me in that cause.

At times, history and fate meet at a single time in a single place to shape a turning point in man's unending search for freedom. So it was at Lexington and Concord. So it was a century ago at Appomattox. So it was last week in Selma, Alabama. There, long suffering men and women peacefully protested the denial of their rights as Americans. Many of them were brutally assaulted. One good man--a man of God--was killed.

There is no cause for pride in what has happened in Selma. There is no cause for self-satisfaction in the long denial of equal rights of millions of Americans. But there is cause for hope and for faith in our Democracy in what is happening here tonight. For the cries of pain and the hymns and protests of oppressed people have summoned into convocation all the majesty of this great government--the government of the greatest nation on earth. Our mission is at once the oldest and the most basic of this country--to right wrong, to do justice, to serve man. In our time we have come to live with the moments of great crises. Our lives have been marked with debate about great issues, issues of war and peace, issues of prosperity and depression.

But rarely in any time does an issue lay bare the secret heart of America itself. Rarely are we met with a challenge, not to our growth or abundance, or our welfare or our security, but rather to the values and the purposes and the meaning of our beloved nation. The issue of equal rights for American Negroes is such an issue. And should we defeat every enemy, and should we double our wealth and conquer the stars, and still be unequal to this issue, then we will have failed as a people and as a nation. For, with a country as with a person, "what is a man profited if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

There is no Negro problem. There is no Southern problem. There is no Northern problem. There is only an American problem.

And we are met here tonight as Americans--not as Democrats or Republicans; we're met here as Americans to solve that problem. This was the first nation in the history of the world to be founded with a purpose.

The great phrases of that purpose still sound in every American heart, North and South: "All men are created equal." "Government by consent of the governed." "Give me liberty or give me death." And those are not just clever words, and those are not just empty theories. In their name Americans have fought and died for two centuries and tonight around the world they stand there as guardians of our liberty risking their lives. Those words are promised to every citizen that he shall share in the dignity of man. This dignity cannot be found in a man's possessions. It cannot be found in his power or in his position. It really rests on his right to be treated as a man equal in opportunity to all others. It says that he shall share in freedom. He shall choose his leaders, educate his children, provide for his family according to his ability and his merits as a human being.

To apply any other test, to deny a man his hopes because of his color or race or his religion or the place of his birth is not only to do injustice, it is to deny Americans and to dishonor the dead who gave their lives for American freedom. Our fathers believed that if this noble view of the rights of man was to flourish it must be rooted in democracy. This most basic right of all was the right to choose your own leaders. The history of this country in large measure is the history of expansion of the right to all of our people.



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I thought you were being sarcastic (0.00 / 0)
When I quickly scanned you quote, I thought you sarcastically took Obama's speech and converted it to civil rights.

There is no Negro problem. There is no Southern problem. There is no Northern problem. There is only an American problem.

And we are met here tonight as Americans--not as Democrats or Republicans; we're met here as Americans to solve that problem. This was the first nation in the history of the world to be founded with a purpose.

That 100% pure Obama language.  I hadn't realized LBJ used it too.


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Only Superficially (0.00 / 0)
It's why I initially was fooled into thinking Obama was a progressive.  Because progressives have used that sort of language for decades--even though conservatives claimed otherwise.  I didn't yet know what Obama would actually do.  So I was gullible.

OTOH, Johnson yokes such language to the most radical transformation in voting rights since the Civil War Amendments were passed.

That's where Johnson and Obama head off in totally different directions.  Johnson was set to roll right over the conservatives.  Obama's prepping to kiss their ass.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I think (0.00 / 0)
He believes these things I have quoted above abstractly, but is far too timid in selling out the details and implementation where he faces resistance.

I don't think you sell liberalism like this unless at some level you believe it.  The failure is more likely one of courage than conviction.  


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I'm glad Obama changed his mind about liberals, then (4.00 / 3)
Obama, March 5 2009, speaking at the White House Summit*:

So I hope everybody understands that for those of you who are passionate about universal coverage and making sure that the moral dimension of health care is dealt with, don't think that we can get that done without -- excuse me. This is a health care forum, so I thought I would...

(LAUGHTER)

OBAMA: ... model what happens when you don't get enough sleep.

Don't think that we can -- that's right, I'm talking to you liberal bleeding hearts out there...

(LAUGHTER)

OBAMA: ... don't think that we can solve this problem without tackling costs.


This was the same White House summit from which the "little single payer advocates" were excluded -- even though HR676 and S703 --until we "made him do it."

But sure, I'm glad Obama's defending liberalism now -- even if it is just a marketing scam to put Teddy's name on a bill that criminalizes the uninsured and bails out the insurance companies. Of course, he might change his mind -- as with FISA.  Then again, if he changed his mind on single payer, which he supported before the AFL-CIO in 2003, the country would save $350 billion a year, so cost wouldn't be quite the issue Obama seems to think it is.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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Our pleasure means Halperin (and others) must lie anew.. (4.00 / 1)
Liking the fire and committment I heard, the speech will undoubtedly give our weak Members some courage to finally get the right bill passed.

Like Rep. Boustany, Time's Mark Halperin has to distort the facts to get in the spotlight:

"[The President's speech]... Alienated liberals by paying more attention to bipartisanship (and a form of Clintonian triangulation) than to party orthodoxy."
http://www.time.com/time/polit...
 

Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


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Well done. Insightfull and well caught. (4.00 / 3)
While other discussions focused on expected failings, much was missed. I was thrilled at four parts of the speech. That there will be reform: thousands, millions will no longer be bankrupted by shock medical emergency expenses, pre-existing conditions is removed as an excuse for preventing or ending coverage, care will always be affordable, no matter how much care you need, and vow for a real public option will be upheld. Second that Republicans were outed as mean spirited oppositional rubes and louts. Third that Obama pwned the house. Fourth, that the Obama majority is strong, he TOOK the middle of the country, and now as you adeptly pointed out, he took the center, the battlefield and the victory on the history and soul of American left -A recognition that we are all in this together;and claiming the traditional high ground This has always been the history of our progress.

I love this one: when facts and reason are thrown overboard and only timidity passes for wisdom,

This is the first of many wins. Get organized. Alliance indeed.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


Politico reports that even Ben Nelson was impressed... (4.00 / 3)
...he said it was a gamechanger...

And they also reported that Wilson's boorish catcall is probably uniting Dems even more than the speech did...

That's pretty damn good if you ask me!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Two polls(or 1 poll & focus group-ish) show a spike for Obama and health reform. (4.00 / 1)
Less than perfect data, but the direction and intensity is great.

CNN Poll: Double-digit post-speech jump for Obama plan

Two out of three Americans who watched President Barack Obama's health care reform speech Wednesday night favor his health care plans - a 14-point gain among speech-watchers, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation national poll of people who tuned into Obama's address Wednesday night to a joint session of Congress.

And a focus group for GGRR, found at Democracy Corps
Health Care Reform
Description
Pre-Speech Post-Speech Change
? Describes

Well


Not

Well


Describes

Well


Not

Well


Shift

in 'Well'


Will get health care costs under control 42 46 64 36 +22
Allows you to keep your current insurance and doctor if you
choose
54 32 80 18 +26
Will increase competition and lower prices for health coverage 44 42 74 24 +30
Will give individuals and families more choice and control 36 58 60 36 +24
Government-run health care 60 32 46 54 -14
Will increase the
deficit and raise taxes
62 26 40 44 -22
Will hurt seniors by
cutting Medicare
40 32 20 66 -20


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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But (4.00 / 4)
the idea that "we are all in this together" is not a universal, non-partisan one. It is a liberal, democratic one.

The history of progress has been the constant battle between those who believe we are all in it together versus those who believe in every man for himself and devil take the hindmost.

Either Obama honestly doesn't know this, or he thinks it doesn't matter. Neither bodes well.

Montani semper liberi


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I do agree (4.00 / 1)
And I hate myself for even saying "ju-jitsu" but I think that was the effort/point.  Rather than saying "this is a good liberal idea" he says "this is a good idea everyone shares and here's how liberals implement it"

To your last, he clearly knows as he brought up the fearmongering over social security and medicare.  The point was to marginalize those voices.


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I am in complete agreement Daniel (0.00 / 0)
This is governing.

Now that we are this close to Health reform, it is time to start thinking about getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, creating a green energy economy and lowering atmospheric and oceanic carbon, ending the occupation of Palestinian land (at 1967 borders would be fair and acceptable to all sides), automatically registering voters, and jump starting the second stimulus with wind and solar power, retrofitting and finally - finding a new Vice prsident for the second term, so they can become President in 2016.

I am very uncommitted to the last items methodology, but not its purpose.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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The whole point is to redefine the center (4.00 / 1)
and to force the Republicans to start using progressive ideas whilst speaking.  Just as Reagan completely redefined the center in the early '80s, and made it impossible to talk about any damn thing without presupposing that taxes are always bad and that government is an evil that needs to be checked.

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This is exactly correct (0.00 / 0)
That is why he can separate the criticism of the republican leadership, from his seizure of ther center, and moderate republican and independent voters, just as his spike in approval poll numbers showed immediately after the speech.

This is what Obama has always been doing. making a new governing center. A new centre left coalition, that includes allies we dont agree with, but can work with, to stop Bill Maher's party of the crazy.

That he then moves the center, to the liberal heart of we are all in this together, and The History of America's progress through progressives, is the genius or naivete of the best Presidential Orator of American politics.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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I'm not actually from Missouri (0.00 / 0)
but I spent a lot of time there growing up.

You'll have to show me. I don't believe this tactic actually works.

Montani semper liberi


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His numbers shot up. The polls show a major increase in support for Obama and Health reform. (0.00 / 0)
Thats taking the center. That is making a new governing center. Then he uses the entirety of the remainder of the speech talking about Kennedy for gods sake, and his heart and the drives of his life, and how it is the character of America. Then he cited ALL the progress of making America a more perfect union, as the result of this in America, "we are all in this together" "this is the character of America"

I am not entirely sure how far left he can go, but he trying to take the country with him on that journey.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Well. When It's The Only Way Out For Him, He Does Make It Look Good (0.00 / 0)
So he gets style points, I guess.  But the degree of difficulty is barely north of zero.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Therev will be a Bill. If Obama was LBJ's style of governance and Wellstone's (0.00 / 0)
brilliant political analysis, it would still be congress writing bills. This Bill is being written, the Progressive caucus is what can and will protect the Public Option, and any other improvements.

If you can suggest ways of pressing Obama, or suggest a way to put a more progressive candidate in office in 2012, I would love to hear your theories.

lamberts insults don't seem to be doing it, Kwitatokeski's troll ratings seem useless. We have a car. We can't sell it, and we are less than a days trip out from Portland. We can kick the tires, drive it through mud and even put sugar in the gas tank. But this is the car we are crossing the country in.

Period. We are however allowed to drive it. And we are. Its up to us and the progressive block to hold the line, define the Bill and stay strong, grow stronger. Knowing what he's doing, and why its useful to us, isn't betrayal. Knowing what he's doing wrong, and what we can do to accommodate and correct for, doesn't mean he's Cheney.

If Obama creates a new governing coalition, which seems to be his first priority, that's all to the good. We have fallen quite far under the old theories and methods of governing, letting power slip constantly from our hands, slipping further and further away from an accountable democracy. Its been a long long time since JFK. And the distance in governing is even further.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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In fact those poll numbers show (0.00 / 0)
most people don't understand what's going on or didn't listen to the speech.

There was nothing in the speech that described how reform would "increase competition and lower prices for health coverage." A public option for which "less than 5% of Americans would sign up" can't compete meaningfully-and is deliberately designed not to. A public option that reimburses doctors at "negotiated rates," rather than Medicare's below-market rates (see Matt Taibbi's piece in Rolling Stone) is deliberately designed to keep costs up, not lower prices.

Only those individuals who are uninsured "will have more choice and control"; everyone else who has employer-based insurance has to keep what he or she has, even if it's junk insurance.

So people are approving what isn't true and they don't understand it isn't true. If 70% said that the speech "explained well" that reform "would cure all disease and we wouldn't need health care," the results would be only slightly more absurd.


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No Im sorry this is wrong (0.00 / 0)
He called for many companies to be included in the exchange, so that places like "Alabama" which has one company owning 75% of the market, or more. And if the public option cant be sold for less, when it doesn't have to provide 10's and hundreds of billions of dollars in profits, or CEO salaries, or bonuses, then well fire the admins cause they're thieves.

Competition and buyers size is what lowers the cost of the health insurance service that all federal employees get, including congress critters.

Since the poll is just an examination, and as that is my point, of peoples opinions, opinions such as who to vote for, and that is, once again my point, then your point is wildly off topic, as well as incorrect.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Exactly (4.00 / 6)
This was also my strongest takeaway from this speech. For many years, liberalism has been simply off the map of the speakable.

Likewise, a left that has "ideas."

He may be just setting us up to bargain our desires away -- but getting this level of ideological recognition is a gain.

Next I'd like a few material gains ... :-)

Can it happen here?


Outside of the ideological aspects of the speech, I liked it because the Repubs (4.00 / 6)
looked so damned unhappy. I've never seen them look so unhappy--nothing close to it during the Clinton era. And if they are unhappy, I am happy. They looked like they were losing.

Yes, Obama disparages the left. He uses those on the left as scapegoats. But you can't say that this speech gave anything to the Republicans. They hated the speech.  


They hated it (4.00 / 1)
because if Obama manages to get mandates without a public option (or with a public option so weak and watered down as to be non-threatening) he will have captured the money and loyalty of the insurance syndicate.

They don't care what letter comes after a politician's name so long as they deliver the goods.

Montani semper liberi


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Sounding brass and tinkling cymbals (4.00 / 6)
The Cairo speech was swell, too, but three months later, the Israelis are still announcing expansions of their settlements in Jerusalem and the West Bank, and laughing behind their hands. Say what you will, it's perfectly reasonable under the circumstances for us to imagine that this speech will turn out be equally devoid of consequence.

At this point, our internal arguments may well be scholastic, but the signs and portents favor those, like me, who think that President Obama may well turn out to be the most eloquent used car salesman who ever sat in the Oval Office.


but his Cairo speech (4.00 / 1)
was never meant to stop Israeli settlements.  

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Angels and pinheads (4.00 / 4)
By that logic, I suppose you could argue that this speech wasn't meant to produce anything concrete either -- which was more or less my point.

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There is no point in this argument, it is merely a shot. (0.00 / 0)
And wildly off the mark.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Obviously correct. Cairo was not meant to speaking to Israelis. (0.00 / 0)
Duh. Maybe a clue about that could be found in the fact that he spoke in Cairo.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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I don't disagree. (4.00 / 3)
Maybe it does ring hollow, if it turns out to just be nice rhetoric, but just for now I wanted to praise the rhetoric without consideration of what else is to follow.  Maybe Obama has lowered the bar enough that I'm pleased to at least see stuff like this from him.

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Oh come on now... (0.00 / 0)
I'm a stalwart defender of the Palestinians and blast our pro-Israeli run Congress and government constantly. But Obama has blasted back at Israel repeatedly - where no one government official ever has, other than Senator Chuck Hagel during the Lebanon massacre of 2006.
I was worried about SOS Clinton, at first, but she too now boldly blasts Israel.

This headline from the White House appeared around the world on September 4, 2009:

"US harshly rebukes Israel on settlement plans"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...

We're getting there. Not fast enough for my tastes either.. but it's moving in the right direction -finally.  

Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


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I noticed this as well (4.00 / 1)
His thesis sounds strikingly similar to Mike Lux's.

Two Cheers, Maybe (4.00 / 4)
There was an apologetic undertone that bugged me.

JFK gave a speech in 1960, "Why I Am A Liberal," that also gave a nod to conservatives' framing of liberalism at the top, but his counterattack that followed was significantly more full-throated than anything I've ever heard from Obama--or probably ever will.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


before he was elected? (0.00 / 0)
Before he was president?

I 'd love to hear Kennedy's speech on Health care.

I'd like tio know what he accomplished in 61 too.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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It's amazing (4.00 / 1)
Obama jumps over the bar that he himself has lowered so far it's almost underground, and smart progressives swoon.



Oh come on now, #2 (0.00 / 0)
I swoon for any Democrat with a good mind and the will to kick ass when necessary.  When was the last time you saw one of those -in office??

Considering the odds of any other Democrat in this environment getting this far, I look at his speech this way: He just won the Limbo contest.  

Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


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Actually, David (4.00 / 2)
There's legitimate reason to be modestly pleased.  He was set to sell us out, but we made enough of a stink he had to pander to us a bit, instead.

That's hardly the revolution, but it's a toehold.  And it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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