The Oncoming Conservative Civil War

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 21:00


On Wednesday, David Weigel at the Washington Independent, had a long piece, "Attacks on Sunstein Frustrate Conservative Fans: Admirers of Obama Nominee Say He Does Not Fit Van Jones Mold".  Of course, Van Jones didn't fit the Van Jones Mold, either, but this time a whole segment of the conservative movement realizes it.  In fact, Sunstein's their guy!

Well, not in the sense that they'd suggest a Republican President should appoint him.  But if a Democrat's going to have someone run the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, then Sunstein's the guy they'd like to have:

On January 8, The Wall Street Journal broke the news that Harvard Law School Professor Cass Sunstein would be nominated to run the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. It was a surprising choice for a job, created in 1980, that monitors and manages the federal government's regulatory apparatus. And it was welcomed as an olive branch from an incoming Democratic president to conservatives and libertarians.

"[Sunstein's] writings on regulation and the herd mentality deserve a voice in the incoming Administration," the newspaper's editorial board wrote, in one of vanishingly few positive assessments it has given Barack Obama's White House. "Mr. Sunstein brings important qualifications to [the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs], and Mr. Obama has made a savvy choice in putting him there." The editorial's headline emphasized just what a happy surprise the appointment had been: "A Regulator With Promise - Really."

So, the WSJ editorial board loved him.  But GOP senators, not so much (three of them placed holds on his nomination), not to mention Glenn Beck.

Weigel's piecehas lots of bits and pieces about things that set different folks off.  But the fact that Beck asked his audience to send him anything they had on Sunstein made me think of the following, from Cathy G in late August of last year:

Paul Rosenberg :: The Oncoming Conservative Civil War
The G Spot: Why I'm not a fan of Cass Sunstein

As I've often said, although I strongly support Barack Obama and believe it is vital that he be elected president in the fall, his politics seem to me to be far more centrist than they are liberal, and I don't believe he's a reliable ally for progressives. One the reasons is I believe this to be true is the people he surrounds himself with. Take, for example, Cass Sunstein, whom Matt Stoller has described as "an important influence" on Obama (also, Sunstein is married to Samantha Power, who has been one of Obama's foreign policy advisers). Sunstein, a prolific legal scholar who teaches at Harvard, probably has as good a shot as anyone as being named to the Supreme Court, should Obama become president.

Well, maybe not anymore.  But I ingress.  There's a lot of sharp comments in DeLong's piece, go read them all, but a major point is his suckage related to his Supreme Court ambitions:

The thing I find most disturbing about Sunstein is how he always seems to go out of his way to make nice to the right.... I think Sunstein is an extremely ambitious man who basically would run over his own grandmother for a seat on the Supreme Court (well, he'd think seriously about doing so, anyway). Seeing how powerful the right wing has been in this country (at least until recently), especially regarding the courts, Sunstein must know that if he wants to be a Supreme Court justice, it would help if he were cosy with the right and accepted many of their basic ideas (such as judicial "minimalism," which he has advocated), albeit with a more centrist spin. It obviously would also help his popularity with the right if he were to refrain from bruising conservatives' tender feelings by pointing out such inconvenient truths as the fact that the current administration is a pack of dangerous, despotic war criminals.

And the fact that it extends all the way to heaping praise on the Federalist Society:

When I had him as a professor for my labor and employment law class, Sunstein steered clear of politics and his ideology wasn't easy to discern. I did know he had a reputation for being a liberal, though -- which is why I was startled at remarks he made during one campus event. I can't remember what it was about, exactly, but I do remember that the Federalist Society -- the ultra-conservative legal group dedicated to jampacking the courts and the federal bureaucracy with their own and fighting off liberal nominees and liberal ideas by any means necessary -- was hosting the event, and Sunstein, I believe, was introducing the speaker. In his introduction, shamelessly sucked up to Federalist Society. It wasn't just the usual polite "thank you for organizing this event" kind of thing -- Sunstein went on and on about wonderful the Federalist Society was, and how much they'd improved the tone of the debate and nurtured the discussion of "ideas." He also defended them from what he'd said were unfair attacks by liberals, and I think he may have even said something to the effect that they really weren't all that conservative.

I was shocked and appalled. Here was a man I greatly respected as a teacher, who was saying things that were breathtakingly shallow and naive -- either that, or they were baldfaced lies. I must say, it left a really icky taste in my mouth. At that moment, to me, he forever became the legal world's equivalent of Alan Colmes -- the conservatives' favorite liberal, because he accepts their terms of the debate and has no compunction about kissing their asses with the utmost enthusiasm, the honor of liberalism, or his own self-respect, even, be damned. Either he has no clue how dangerous and destructive these right-wing extremists are, or he doesn't care. And I'm not sure which is worse.

No wonder the WSJ loves him!

And the fact that Glenn Beck wants to destroy him?

And the possibility that this is only the upcoming previews of a bloody internecine civil war among conservatives?

Priceless!

Heck,it's almost worth seeing Sunstein confirmed.

Almost.


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DeLong just reposted it

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Oops! (0.00 / 0)
Sorry.

Bookmarked it to look at earlier this week. Then grabbed it quickly today.  My system's really crapping out on me the last few hours--despite two or three reboots--and I can't readily check things the way I normally do.

But, on the bright side... got you to comment!

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In Fact (0.00 / 0)
so bad that I can't right-click to open links in a new tab or window.

Time to reboot again.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I think that obama and the (4.00 / 1)
repukes are friendemies.  NOtice how the conservatives can get rid of anyone that want, with Obama's complete cooperation, but we have to put up with Rahm ,Geithner, and Summers.

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Yes, But That's Old News (4.00 / 1)
This thing with Sunstein is different, particularly the way it's moved to the fore.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I don't get it ... (4.00 / 1)
how are they claiming that Sunstein is a DFH? .. because he's not .. he's more of Rahmbo's kind of guy .. always sucking up to the wingers .. the Blue Dogs .. and corporations .. he's exactly the guy Beck should want

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Beck? Know What He Wants? (4.00 / 4)
Glenn-Commie-Are-Fascists-Are-Progressives-Are-Czars-Beck?

He wants his sponsors back!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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And he expects to get them that way? .. (0.00 / 0)
does he really think Progressives are going to make a stink over Sunstein like they did over Van Jones?

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Beck - crazy like a Fox? (0.00 / 0)
     Glenn Beck is hard to predict.
    It is true that he has recently lost sponsors, and so I am sure that a desire to win them back is one of his motives. But generally, foaming at the mouth and spewing lots of conservative emotion without regard for facts and logic has been Beck's modus operandi. Beck is like an anti-George Will, or like a male verson of Palin: all emotion and no logic.

Luke 12:48 "to whom much is given, of him shall much be required". Would Jesus want progressive taxation, or regressive taxation?

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I think it is usefull for Beck to blow up figures that are relative unknowns to (4.00 / 2)
his audience- blank slates that allow Beck to create bogeymen without reasoned information to counteract the emotive content. And he can play a god-like role this way- it's like trotting out a new animal on the deck of the ark. In my dealings with Beck's audience, I have a hard time feeling like they went in knowing jack shit about regulatory czars- Sunstein isn't somebody on the front pages. So his audience feels more informed, even giving that they are less so. It really wouldn't surprise me if  there is some kind of personal vendetta against Sunstein- I don't put much past  Beck,- but I also think it's a running emotional strategy to build and sustain his audience.

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Precisely! (0.00 / 0)
Gingrich is much the same way, but most of Versailles is so piss-ignorant, they don't realize how much of what he says is pure BS.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Civilization is possible because of taboos (4.00 / 1)
much of what the "You Lie!" crowd does needs to be made taboo.

Icky? (0.00 / 0)


I live in a true blue state--I will have a choice in November

It's about time (4.00 / 3)
Considering the power vacuum on the right, it's amazing to me that they've waited this long to have their civil war. Frankly, I expected a knock-down, drag-out between Beck and Limbaugh for the affections of the disaffected and the lunatic, with Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter waiting patiently, dagger-in-garter, to finish off the wounded.

On the left, we're used to civil wars -- first with the good burghers who from time to time pose as our liberal allies, and then with one another. Aesthetically ours are more elegant than those on the right, I think, if not always more meaningful. (You tell me...of all our factions and tendencies, which one should adopt while waiting waiting for the neoliberal falange to finally stumble into the open manhole which history has dragged into the road ahead of it?)

Sometimes I get to thinking that it might be better for my soul to take up the begging bowl than to take to the barricades, but then I think of leaving the field to our President's sauve qui peut liberalism, and to the braying asses of the right, and I realize once again that mine isn't the only soul worth being concerned about.


From what I've seen of Beck (4.00 / 3)
(and it's all been very painful), he's a bloated loudmouth coward who would never have the guts to "take on" Limpbaugh. Sure, Limpbaugh's a bloated loudmouth coward too, but he's the unquestioned leader of their "pack", and Beck's far too soft to challenge that.

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Definitely! (4.00 / 2)
If ever there were a girly-man, it were Beck.  Limbaugh could reduce him to putty with a single, good hard stare.

In fact, Beck actually looks like a baby.  His face is pudgy in just that baby-fat sort of way.  I'm always somewhat fascinated in a slightly macabre way whenever I see him.  He's like an HP Lovecraft character.

But, then, Dick Cheney is Cthulhu, so what did we expect?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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IIRC Sunstein supported telcom immunity (4.00 / 4)
during last year's FISA debate, along with the rest of the bill, and is also ok with preventive detention, military commissions and not investigating Bushies. I may be a bit off with some of these as I'm going from memory, but he's no liberal.

I think we need to come up with a new term for people who claim to be, or try to come off as, liberals--and who may hold SOME liberal ideas--but who are in reality far more conservative than they want to let on. The Democratic party is jam-packed with such posers, and while I'm not at all advocating a "purge" of them from the party--I'm fine with that "big tent"--I am saying that they need to be called out and identified for what they actually are, not what they pretend to be because they don't want to piss off the left.

How about "conservalib", or "neowhig"?

These people are to the left what fake conservatives are to the right. It's all about fooling the base to get elected or appointed, then running back to the center, not out of ideology, but out of self-interest, and then conspiring with the fake cons on the right to pass bad, pro-corporate and pro-rich policy that serves no one else's interests.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


Pseudo-Liberal Works Fine For Me (4.00 / 3)
Why not just keep it simple, so everyone can get the point?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Because we're lefties (0.00 / 0)
And we like keeping things complicated to keep out teh stoopids!

Duh.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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It's about seeking power (4.00 / 3)
Beck and the Reps are clear on this, though apparently even the WSJ doesn't quite get it.

Beck et.al. don't care about the subtleties of what Sunstein is in himself. That ideologically he's no Van Jones is not the point. (Based on what I've seen here and elsewhere about Sunstein, this couldn't happen to a nicer guy. He's reaping what he sowed. How's that sucking up to the Right working out for you now? Every appeaser does personally deserve this. Too bad the politics of it are so bad for us.)  

The point is that he's an Obama appointment. So regardless of what he really is you attack him as an extreme liberal, try to force Obama to cave in (since he already caved on Jones, now you keep doing it until he stops caving), and if he does you crow about how you unmasked another commie and forced Obama to implicitly agree.

Obama looks worse and worse, more and more he looks extreme in intent yet cowardly when stood up to, his base becomes more demoralized, while yours becomes more fired up. You go from victory to victory, and every step takes you closer to victory in 2012.

The ideology is irrelevant (and there's certainly not going to be a "civil war" here: nobody at the WSJ would have to fear that Obama would replace Sunstein with anybody worse from their pov), the politics is everything.

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Precisely BECAUSE It's About Seeking Power (4.00 / 2)
is the reason why it looks like the conservatives are headed for civil war.

Read the article linked to.  It's not just the WSJ v. Beck.  That's just the tip of the iceberg.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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By "power" I meant winning elections; I should've been more clear (4.00 / 1)
If you mean it's a skirmish in what will be a broader fight between the mandarins and an insurgency led by Palin or somebody, I suppose that's possible. But in the end where's the likes of Richard Epstein gonna go? If he's stuck with Beck he's stuck with him. That Chicago ideology can't go anywhere on its own. It's never mustered a vote on its own merits. It's always needed Beck-type demagoguery.  

You argued in another post that looking to a third party is unconstructive. I imagine the hard-core economic libertarians will be more disciplined on that point than anybody.


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Beck vs the WSJ?????? (0.00 / 0)
they are both owned by Murdoch. He is the power in all this. Beck is merely a tool.

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throw him under the bus (4.00 / 2)
it is what he would do to us. Let it be a lesson to all the other courtiers that kissing up to the right wing will not protect you.  

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