Whither the Progressive Block?

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 12:26


This week, the Congressional Progressive Caucus is conducting a whip count of House members who will vote against health care legislation if it does not include public option. Results of this whip count will determine if the Progressive Block strategy remains viable. This is because some recent events that raise real doubts as to whether the Progressive Block is even still operational. Only a hard whip count, with results made public, can ease these doubts.

(More in the extended entry.)

Chris Bowers :: Whither the Progressive Block?
Here are the recent events that have raised doubts about the Block:

1. July 31st letter not replicated
Of all the various letters that the organizers of the Progressive Block have sent to either Speaker Pelosi or President Obama this year, only the July 31st letter met the requirements of a true threat to defeat health care legislation lacking a public option. That letter had both 60 signatures and the specific language of "we simply cannot vote for such a proposal."

Other letters, including the two (see September 3rd and September 10th) sent by Progressive Caucus co-chairs Grijalva and Woolsey lacks either sufficient signatures to block legislation without a public option (September 3rd), or language specifically threatening to vote against any legislation lacking a public option (September 10th). As such, it is not hard to imagine the September 3rd and September 10th letters actually weakening the July 31st letter. One reasonable impression is that either there are no longer enough members able to block a bill without a public option, or that the leaders of the effort have dropped their threat to block a bill altogether. Until there are at least 39 House Democrats willing to sign a letter to President Obama clearly stating that they will not vote for legislation that lacks a strong public option, it is hard to imagine the White House taking the Progressive Block seriously.

2. Public willingness to compromise yet further
One of the main arguments supporters and members of the Progressive Block have used from the very beginning of this campaign is that the public option is already a compromise from single payer, and they don't want to compromise any further. However, since the July 31st letter, multiple members of the Progressive Block have indicated that they are indeed willing to compromise further.

On August 3rd, the Hill reported one anonymous member of the Block saying he would probably fold:

But at least one of the 60 lawmakers who signed the letter admitted he might not be able to follow through on his threat.

"I probably wouldn't vote against it. But we have to let leadership know that we're serious too."

That's some genius messaging there. Nothing lets the leadership know you are serious more than telling the press that you aren't.

On August 25th, in a lengthy story on the Progressive Block, Ryan Grim was unable to get Representative Donna Edwards to replicate the language of the July 31st letter:

But even Edwards hedged a bit when asked by HuffPost if she was firm in her commitment to oppose a bill that comes out of conference without a public option.

"Let me just say this," she said. "I believe that there is widespread support for the public option, so I want to discuss how we get from the politics of where we are right now to achieving the thing that we know is widely supported in the Democratic caucus and also widely supported around the country. And I don't think you do that unless you get a bill out of the House of Representatives that has a solid public option in it, because you don't bargain the opposite direction in the Senate. So we need to make sure we have the strongest bill possible out of the House of Representatives. I know that there's support for the public option and I fully expect that to be a part of the bill that we pass out of the House. And that in itself will be the leverage to achieve it in the final product."

On September 8th, Roll Call quoted two members of the Progressive Block indicating they are ready to compromise further:

The "trigger" approach has been considered a deal-killer by liberals on and  off Capitol Hill, and the willingness of some Congressional Progressive Caucus members to entertain it reflects a recognition that a bruising August recess has imperiled prospects for reform and redrawn expectations for what is possible.

"This is a way to get a bill," Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) said. "I believe it's worth listening to because I want legislation that is going to, in some shape or form, expand coverage and bring down the cost of health care."

Liberals stressed that the shift does not amount to an abandonment of their commitment to a "robust" public insurance option. They said they would only support a trigger if that approach guaranteed the same access, quality and affordability.

"I don't want to give the impression that I'm so flexible that I'm willing to compromise away meaningful reform," Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) said. "But there may be a variety of ways of getting there than the one I originally formulated in my mind."

These public leaks of Block weakness would only reinforce any interpretation of the September 3rd and 10th letters as signs that the Block was no longer able or willing to defeat health care legislation without a public option.

3. The Block folded in June
On May 14th, a supplemental funding bill for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan passed the House 368-60, with all but 9 Republicans voting in favor and 51 mainly Progressive Democrats voting against it. When the supplemental bill came back from the Senate, it had IMF funding attached to it, and House Republicans decided to oppose it. This put the 51 Progressives who opposed the bill because they oppose the war in Afghanistan in a position to defeat the bill, or at least extract concessions before passage. It was the first time the Progressive Block was put to the test.

However, with minimal concessions (pretty much just cash for clunkers), 19 of those 51 Democrats folded and ended up voting for the bill. This includes 8 Democrats who singed the July 31st letter: Representatives Yvette Clarke, Barney Frank, Luiz Gutierrez, Jim McDermott, Grace Napolitano, Ed Towns, Nydia Velazquez, and Anthony Weiner.

If 8 members of the Progressive Block can fold on an issue like opposition to the war in Afghanistan just in return for a cash for clunkers program, there are good reasons for the administration to believe that the Block won't require much cajoling in order to fold on health care.

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In summary, there are good reasons to doubt the strength of the Progressive Block right now. The White House seems to be doubting it too, given that last week they never followed up on a meeting with the Progressive Block and instead scheduled a meeting with Senate Conservadems. In order to resuscitate the effort, the Progressive Caucus whip count needs to produce at least 39 House Democrats who are willing to sign a letter to President Obama saying they will vote against health care legislation without a public option. If they pull it off, their position within the overall health care debate, negotiations, and media coverage should increase. Failure to do so will give them little leverage to make sure that a public option is in the final conference report for the health care bill later this year.

At the very least, House Progressives need to demonstrate enough strength to get in the final negotiations over any health care bill. If they can't make it into that discussion, then not only will they have failed to increase their relative power to the Blue Dogs and Conservadems, but they may have in fact made themselves look weaker because this effort fell apart so easily. This will make it extremely difficult to make the Progressive Block strategy work at any point during the Obama administration.


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Just talked to Carolyn Maloney's office (4.00 / 3)
She will vote for the house bill, but will not commit to vote against the senate/house bill.

She did pledge to vote against a bill without a robust public option.

Her DC office number is:  202.225.7944.

I live in a true blue state--I will have a choice in November


The Progressives (4.00 / 2)
What the Progressives don't realize is that they relinquish their own power by folding so easily.  It's now clear to the White House, the Blue Dogs, and the Republicans that the P's will cave without so much as a whimper.  This sets up a situation where everyone knows that they don't have to take the Progressives seriously in the future.

IMHO, there is ZERO chance that the P's will defeat a healthcare bill just because it doesn't have a public option.  They will make the calculation that they cannot afford to defeat their new President on a major piece of legislation.

El Foldo, guaranteed.


Partially (4.00 / 2)
They will make the calculation that they cannot afford to defeat their new President on a major piece of legislation.

While that is partially correct, that isn't the real problem.  The issue is the Progressive Caucus really, honestly prefers the health reform bill compared to the status quo, even without the public option.  The strategy of convincing everyone you will vote no is obvious.  The strategy of actually voting no is less straight forward in this case.


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what happens after conference? (0.00 / 0)
if they put out a triggered co-op fail bill from the House/Senate conference, thinking that they can muscle it through the House, i assume that Pelosi won't bring it to the floor until she knows she has the votes to pass it, yes? so what happens if she doesn't - if the Block holds together? can they send it back to conference? or is it just kaput?

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.

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I don't know (0.00 / 0)
However, Pelosi is part of the conference, so there really is no chance a bill will come out of conference she doesn't think she can pass.  The same goes for Reid, though.

I don't believe they can go back into conference a second time with the same bills.  At a minimum, the House and Senate would need to pass new versions of the bills.  Given that the press would be hard on Obama and the plan in such a situation and public opinion goes down the more muddled things appear, it would become harder to pass the PO, not easier, I think.  

However, that is based on 60 votes.  If the second go around uses reconciliation (the 50 vote route), then at least there is a good story and an easier vote, due to the easier math.  But they still need to pass some of the bill using 60 votes without defying the filibuster completely.


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They will be saving the president and the party from a bad bill (4.00 / 3)
that will have serious political consequences for himself, his party and other Democratic legislators.
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The president's political judgement here is suspect. After all he's the one who thought there would be no harm to having them go home for recess.  The initial plan was to have the first round of bills passed before recess.  

This allowed the August chaos to happen. He was wrong about that (as was evidient to anyone who really thought about how th eright operated) and he is wrong about the political consequences of a bad bill to his party... the consequences of a bad bill to the moral side of the issue in terms of Americians accessing healthcare and the economic consequences as well.


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Baucus Bill actually bad (0.00 / 0)
If they have to vote on all the details Baucus proposed I think they can and will vote it down.  That bill has some non-negotiable items like a tax that makes it cheaper to hire people who don't need health care or family earns more money.  There are a few really bad ideas in there, even if the rough outline looks the same as the other bills.

But the HELP or House bill without the PO is actually much better than the status quo, which makes unity harder.  It is a good strategy, but not a good vote in isolation.


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George Bush undid every good thing Bill Clinton achieved within 2 years (4.00 / 1)
No public option means there is no instituional framework which could survive a an adverse administration.  If all we have in this bill is regulatory reform which can be ignored, undone, unenforced and even repealed, then we are cruisin' for a bruinin' and a losin'  

A bad bill will force people to buy insurance they can't pay for..it it morally derelict, economically counterporductive and politically disastrous for the Democratic party.

Passing this bad bill makes even the good provisions in it  potentially a very fleeting victory.


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Mostly agree (0.00 / 0)
One of the problems of Clinton's legacy is he didn't do that much legislatively.  Undoing the balance budget was very easy.

So I think undoing the non-public option portions of these bills will harder than you think, but I still agree with the basic premise.  The bills with the PO are much better than the ones without them and far more resilient to change.

It's just that while analyzing the badness of this bills versus our dreams and what is so close we can taste, we loose sight of how horrid the status quo is.

In other words, if the result of these bills were in place today and someone proposed a bill to go back to a system where insurance corporations primarily made their money by denying coverage, no one would vote for it.


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FMLA and COBRA still exist. (0.00 / 0)
Clinton was damn frustrating, and Bush undid a lot, but there are still good things that Clinton did that are still law.

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Agitation for Kennedy-Kassebaum (COBRA) (0.00 / 0)
began many years before Bill Clinton signed it into law.  The same with FMLA...a decade of agitation.  And if COBRA is the standard for good reform it is paltry and insufficient.  I don't know if you've ever had to use it...but it ain't all that wonderful...18 months at high rates.  The people I know who have to use it are paying at this point in time between $850 to $1050 a month.  And th ebenefits are really cramped.

I don't mean to denigrate Bill Clinton, I was just saying that unlike 1993-94, which was at the height of right wing sway, this is a progressive moment which should not be squandered by any of us, our leaders or even our President.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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All I'm really saying is that those were nonzero reforms (0.00 / 0)
that, however insufficient they may be, we'd be worse off without.

And I"m on COBRA right now, actually.


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hopes but mostly fears (0.00 / 0)
I'm hoping that either we get what we really want of we get the Baucus bill so it can be killed.  

However, I fear we are headed to a Baucus bill.  The Drug Lords are gonna drop majors $'s supporting that bill and the White House seems to favor it.  With its individual mandates and junk insurance to save the Feds $'s we could watch the Dems enact something that is wildly hated by the voters. When folks are forced to to pay a monthly tribute to the Insurance Comanies they will blame "us* for it and vote accordingly.  It could easily be a major disaster for the Democratic Party.

Re: your line: "They will make the calculation that they cannot afford to defeat their new President on a major piece of legislation." - everyday Obama and Company are showing themselves to be major cowards.  By the time they get around to voting the writing will be on that wall that he's a one term President and no one will care what happens to him.


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He runs in 4 years, the Representatives run in 2 (4.00 / 1)
It could be 1994 for the legislative branch, but in 1996 Bill Clinton got elected.

They need to be taken seriously to save themselves as well.
Actually ironically, getting a good bill saves the Blue Dogs. Especially if there aren't enough Progressives voting for the bill, it will force Blue Dogs to vote for the bill. something the DCCC doesn't want to have happen.  

One thing in defense of the Progressives, August was recess and so putting a letter together with lots of signatories is pretty hard to do.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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re: chance (4.00 / 2)
IMHO, there is ZERO chance that the P's will defeat a healthcare bill just because it doesn't have a public option.  They will make the calculation that they cannot afford to defeat their new President on a major piece of legislation.

when the outcome will be health-care costs going up why is it so hard to see the progressives voting no?

if they vote yes, the 2009 health-care bill becomes the progressives  bill, and when health-care costs guess who will be blamed?

and if such block proposes a health-care solution in the future, say medicare-for-all, there won't be much of an audience


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Depressing weekend on public option (0.00 / 0)
It was a depressing weekend watching multiple Dems running away from the public option, without any type of rational alternative.  Neither co-ops or triggers will be likely to succeed, especially on bringing down the cost of insurance premiums.  With "bending the cost curve" being one of the stated goals it is truly difficult to see how this happens without a large entity providing competition for private insurance companies.

I still maintain that this effort for the public option is not going to succeed unless the President is actively working for it, not just giving lip service to the public option, while in the background supporting other efforts.  


Howard Dean (4.00 / 3)
the only Dem on the Sunday morning network TV talk-fest that was supportive of a robust PO and remembered that the "left" already compromised by keeping single payer off tthe table.  Suggested a non-profit private insurance idea as an alternative that is even less palatable to the for profit insurers that sit on corporate death panels today.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Harkin (4.00 / 3)
And as I added to quick hits, Harkin claimed the same.  Harkin, remember, is the new head of the HELP committee.

The Public Option is not dead.


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Thanks for the updates (4.00 / 1)
As I just posted on Mike Lux's thread, we need to see better coordination and leadership, particularly on the Senate side, otherwise losing the public option is just going to become the simplest option to move forward.  Whether it is Harkin, Schumer, Rockefeller, a combination, or others, they need a more coordinated response to this drumbeat by the Conservadems for dropping the public option.  

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WOW! (0.00 / 0)
"...the "left" already compromised by keeping single payer off tthe table."

So it was "the left" that kept single-payer off the table, and not the D leadership of the 110th and 111th Congresses!

And on Dean -- he's been opposed to single-payer his entire career.


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re: running (0.00 / 0)
watching multiple Dems running away from the public option

and towards electoral defeat


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Time to whip the Progressive Caucus (4.00 / 2)
Whip campaign led by slinkerwink and nyceve at FireDogLake.

Even after the massive, concerted Republican/insurance company campaign against it, the Public Option is popular almost everywhere including Arkansas. A strong, robust Public Option is good policy and is very popular. There are no good reasons for backing down unless the Public Option is replaced with something even stricter: single-payer Medicare-for-All or Tight Regulations backed by a triggered Public Option.


Question: What do we do as a movement if or when the Progressive Block folds? (0.00 / 0)
Seriously, what's to be done if or when the P.B. folds on the irrelevant P.O.?



Vote for Scrapy-Doo! (0.00 / 0)
That will show them!

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Scrappy Doo supporters aren't real progressives (4.00 / 1)
sure, he talked Scooby's talk when he first came on the scene, but wha has he done for us lately?  Wakko Warner's the only candidate that will get anything done in the White House!  And anyone who says differently just wants Bush-Lite!

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Primary all of them with a new crop of "better Progressives" (4.00 / 1)
Anything but ditch the Democratic Party.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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