Dissenting on the Wilson Resolution

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 00:00


I can see a lot of good reasons why the House passed a resolution disapproving of Joe Wilson's outburst:

  1. Wilson's outburst was clearly a violation of House rules:

    "A Member should avoid impugning the motives of another Member, the Senate or the President, using offensive language, or uttering words that are otherwise deemed unparliamentary."

    And

    [I]t is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the President, such as referring to him as a "hypocrite" or a "liar."

  2. Wilson's outburst is also putting what would otherwise be a difficult House seat in reach for Democrats:

    In a matter of seconds Wednesday night Joe Wilson went from being pretty safe for reelection to one of the most vulnerable Republican incumbents in the country.

    Wilson trails Democratic challenger Rob Miller 44-43 in a PPP survey conducted Thursday night and Friday morning. Last year Wilson defeated Miller 54-46.

  3. Health care reform and President Obama have received a bounce from the President's speech:

    If we simply take the three polls at face value and average them together (6.7 points), they in fact point toward a statistically strong likelihood of a bounce.

    While it is difficult to say if any of this bounce is due to Joe Wilson, at the very least it has kept Republicans on the defensive  Passing this resolution keeps them in that position for another couple days, and also drives a wedge through the GOP. It isn't hard to see why:

    USA Today/Gallup Poll. Sept. 11-13, 2009. N=1,030 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4.

    "Do you support or oppose what Joe Wilson did during the speech?"

    Suuport 21%--68% Oppose

  4. It is a good organizing tool. Organizations like the DCCC, MoveOn.org, and the PCCC have all either raised money or acquired new emails from the Democratic outrage over Wilson's outburst. If you are a progressive and / or Democratic organization not only does it make sense to organize around Democratic / progressive anger, but you also provide a useful outlet for the outraged Democrats / progressives.
So, the resolution is tactically smart, and easily justifiable. I also like and respect a lot of the people pushing the resolution, many of whom are not only lot smarter about politics than I am, but who wrote in favor of hitting back at Wilson on the front page of Open Left.

And yet, despite all of this, in an alternate universe where I am Congress, I would have voted "present" on the resolution disapproving of Wilson.

Personally, I just can't stand Congressional resolutions changing the names of government buildings, congratulating a championship sports team, recognizing the contribution of some individual or group to something, or condemning someone's actions.  Congressional resolutions like these that only express an opinion, and don't actually accomplish anything in terms of public policy or federal appointments, are just too much political posturing for my tastes.

Eventually, I would like to get to a point where even submitting these resolutions is considered a political faux pas. For now, voting "present" is the best means I can think of to reject the entire culture of these resolutions.

So, this is one of those times where I disagree with the majority of my colleagues. There are, however, five Democratic members of Congress who seem to agree with me: Bill Delahunt, Eliot Engel, Bill Foster, Barney Frank and Ike Skelton. A mixed and small bag, but not an insignificant one.

Chris Bowers :: Dissenting on the Wilson Resolution

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With you on this one (4.00 / 1)
This hissy fit seems a silly distraction, lowering Congress at large to Wilson's level. The guy had publicly branded himself as an idiot -- the smart response was to leave it at that.

Can it happen here?

I disagree.... (0.00 / 0)
What is good for the goose is good for the gander...  If it had been a democrat disrespecting Bush, there would have been dozens of resolutions... probably impeachment, and even a trial in the Senate.  The Republicans would have milked this for all they had...  It's high time we gave them a dose of their own medicine!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
Geese, ganders, trivia, ozone, and polar bears. (0.00 / 0)
Joe Wilson said "boo" to a goose, who isn't exactly famous for honesty (all his campaign promises were lies), and all the rest of the news went away.

But if we can shift our attention to something that actually fucking matters for one second...

Today is the International Day for the Preservation of the Ozone Layer!

And I already know, so you don't have to tell me...

Obama has only been President for slightly less than eight months, and he will probably...

...make a half-assed effort to make himself look good...

...with a half-assed climate and energy bill...

...whenever he gets good and ready.




[ Parent ]
good comment and picture (4.00 / 1)
But the polar bear doesn't make money off air pollution so his opinion (or life), like ours isn't important and needs to be ignored by the powers that be.

Government by organized money is no better than government by organized mob..... FDR

[ Parent ]
Black Caucus Members Took It Personally (4.00 / 3)
I don't think there would have been a resolution if not for very raw feelings by Rep. Clyburn and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus who feel very strongly about the ligitimacy of President Obama.  In South Carolina the Civil War is still alive and Clyburn needed to call in his Union allies.  We won the war, they lost, and every so often we need to remind the rebels.  

By the way, President Jimmy Carter is on the Union side and I so admire him for affirming his loyalty to his country tonight over the racists that would divide the USA.


Why did Hodes vote with the Republicans on this? .. (4.00 / 1)
and did anyone notice Dana Rohrbacher's vote? .. he actually voted to censure Wilson .. did someone spike his drink? .. was he hanging out with Cheech and Chong before the vote or something?

Disagree (4.00 / 1)
This one's pretty simple for me--even without the racist subtext.

(1) What he did was wrong.

(2) He admitted it was wrong, and apologized to the President.

(3) But the President wasn't the only one wronged.  The body of the House was wronged, too, and they deserved an apology.

(4) They asked for an apology, and Wilson refused.

(5) They only introduced the resolution because Wilson refused.

The above collection of facts distinguishes this case rather sharply, not just from run-of-the-mill condemnations--which, I agree, as a bogus use of Congressional time, power and attention--but from run-of-the-mill Congressional breaches of decorum.

Either Wilson should not have apologized at all, or else he should apologize to all affected.  This halvesies bullshit does not fly with me.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Wilson is loathsome (4.00 / 1)
but the President is not a king.

Compulsory social graces are oxymoronic.

Better to get the crap out in the open.

Let it stink.  Clean it up in the next election.

The everyday people of the whole earth are ready to run the sphere in peace.


totally agree (0.00 / 0)
The Democrats risk looking petty and unserious if they carry on with this too much longer.  Resolution passed, duly admonished, carry on with business please.

It never hurt repubicans... (4.00 / 2)
Personally, I think it's good politics.  After all, if you don't fight to defend yourself, how can the public trust that you will fight for them when the time comes?

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
I would have appreciated it (4.00 / 2)
If during all of the hubbub about one asshole yelling, we took a few moments to clarify that he was also completely wrong.  The plans on the table don't insure illegal immigrants, and his reflexive hateful outbursts at the mere mention of illegal immigrants' existence serves to highlight his noxious racism.

Isn't It Illegal To Point Out That Republicans Are Wrong? (4.00 / 2)
Can't Obama be impeached for saying so?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Redstate.com says Obama should apologize (0.00 / 0)

    Obama recently delivered a nationally-televised piece of propaganda to the American people. He had the nerve to call it a speech. To quote Erick Erikson at RedState.com: "[H]e spent the whole hour lying through his teeth."

    But that's not all. During that shameless speech, Obama even had the nerve to call all those who have the courage to tell the truth about his plans.... liars.  He just didn't lie. He called you a liar in the process.  Erikson again: "We were treated to a vainglorious, pompous [expletive deleted] playing politics with healthcare while accus[ing] everyone else of playing politics."

    And did you hear about about the strong-arm tactics.  You've already heard about Congressman Joe Wilson of South Carolina.  Unable to tolerate the mendacity and the lies and the insults in Obama's pathetic excuse for a speech any longer, Wilson simply came out and said, "You Lie."

    But many people haven't heard the rest of the story.  According to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ), here's just some of the behind-the-scenes:

"The moment the speech ended, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel charged over to three Republicans - Reps. Ryan, Roy Blunt of Missouri and Kevin McCarthy of California - demanding in a profanity-laced tirade that they force Mr. Wilson to apologize."

    And what did these Republican leaders do?  According to WSJ, Wilson acknowledged that "party leaders instructed him to apologize" and within hours, Wilson did just that.

    But did Barack Obama apologize for disgracing Congress and the American people by telling the outrageous lies that motivated Wilson's outburst? ... No.

    Did Republicans demand that Obama apologize... that he start telling the truth? ... No.

    And this all-to-familiar Republican exhibition of spinelessness is exactly why we must crank up the volume.

    To be totally frank, too many of our elected leaders just don't get it and they must be made to understand that the American people will not tolerate their weakness and lack of resolve in the face of what may be one of the greatest threats to your way of life... ObamaCare.

     


[ Parent ]
Hey trolly (4.00 / 1)
Obama called the "death panels" nonsense a lie.  Which it is.  You and Erik are offended because your lie got called a lie.

Unable to tolerate the mendacity and the lies and the insults in Obama's pathetic excuse for a speech any longer, Wilson simply came out and said, "You Lie."

Unfortunately, the moment he chose to shout "You lie" was the moment that came directly after Obama said something true.  Which is why you look so stupid right now.


[ Parent ]
can't agree, Chris. (0.00 / 0)
i love your idealism, and like you, i hate time wasting 'resolutions' that accomplish nothing and distract from the business of enacting policy. but politics, for better or worse, is more than just policy. it's also theatre, and the business of changing minds with words, as well as acts.

but more importantly, it's important for liberals and democrats to loudly, firmly, and completely reject racism. esp racism on the floor of congress. the lesson too many dems can't seem to learn is that they must not appease racists, they must stand up to warmongers and paid whores to industry and power, and there are times when they must close ranks and unite behind the president.

give the thugs and inch and the are 'emboldened,' and will take a mile. we've seen that time and time again. wilson was wrong, broke congressional rules, and showed disrespect to our president while acting in his official capacity. wilson is free to join the racists and SCLM freakshow all he wants on his own time, but when i'm paying his salary, he needs to behave and act like what he is, an elected official who is there to do the business of government.  


But NOW its over, right? (0.00 / 0)
Look at the celebrity Mr. Wilson gets with two words.

This is what passes for a "political system" in the USA? Arguments over two words.

The only instance more ridiculous was the one where Howard Dean lost the primary because he let out a scream of triumph.

Sad state of affairs to live in a nation run by people with the social graces of school children.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


I suppose (4.00 / 1)
After the humiliation of Dick Durbin the Dems had to do something about Joe Wilson.  But, based on what I'm reading (and links within), they didn't exactly help themselves much by the way they did it.  Maybe, in this instance, they had no choice but, jeebus, they could have made it mean something.

That said, there are so many other places Congressional Dems should be "getting tough" with Republicans and the Right, that this self-referential Kabuki really does not elevate them in my eyes.  Stuff done for appearances sake, rarely does.


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