The Lagging Indicator

by: Mike Lux

Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50


Once the health care fight is over, the next big fight is the battle over financial regulation. As challenging and frustrating as healthcare has been, at least reformers have been in the game in terms of a decent bill. The odds have never been even, but a decent bill, in my view, is a possible ending. With the financial regulation fight, the odds are much tougher because the Wall Street lobby is so powerful, and the forces on the other side are still relatively weak, and the Obama proposals overall are a weaker starting place than in health  care. As important as it is, though, the financial regulations fight is only a pre-cursor to the massive economic policy debates that we will be engaging in for the next four years. These fights are symbolized by a phrase that the President and his economic advisors repeat too often, a phrase that is both politically tone deaf and potentially indicative of a much deeper problem in their thinking. It's the phrase, "jobs are a lagging indicator" of our recovery. I worry less that they say it, though, and more that they might actually believe it.

That "jobs are a lagging indicator" thing is a phrase that conservative economists (which is most of them) like to use because in their neo-classical economic models about recessions and financial crises, first the bankers regain confidence and their economic health, then they start loaning to businesses again, then businesses get healthy - and finally at the end of the happy cycle - they start hiring workers again. Of course, as the brilliant Paul Krugman piece on the economics profession in the NYT magazine pointed out, many of the same economists said both a real estate bubble and a financial panic were actually impossible because they didn't correspond to their free-market-cures-all-problems-and-provides-perfect-equilibrium models.

If the basic ideas behind the jobs being a lagging indicator phrase sound vaguely familiar, it's because they are essentially another version of the trickle-down economics we have been hearing for years from the two Presidents Bush and President Reagan: give those rich people and corporate CEOs more money, and it will eventually trickle down to the rest. There are a great many problems with this theory, but they can be summed up rather simply with the fact:  pretty much nothing ever trickles down.  In all the years of the Reagan and Bush presidencies, 20 years in all, the income of middle class workers stagnated (or worse), while the income of the rich skyrocketed.

So now we see one article after another on the economy reporting some version of the news that banks have recovered, businesses are starting to do better, but workers are getting left behind. You can grab any article on the economy at random written over the last couple of months, and find the same kind of quote, such as this one from a WP article from September 1st: "The emerging economic recovery suffers from a great contradiction: Even as factories seem to be cranking out more stuff, the job market remains terrible."

Now I am not suggesting that Obama's economic philosophy is the same as the right-wing Republican trickle-down philosophy of Reagan and the Bush kin. There are lots of things to like about what he has done and proposed so far. The stimulus was classically liberal Keynesian, with hundreds of billions in job-creating public capital investments, and it is clearly helping prop up the economy right now. Even the tax cuts that were included in the stimulus bill were considerably more progressively structured than any tax cuts ever passed or proposed by Republican Presidents. Obama's budget proposal was also very progressive: the most money for poor people of any federal budget in history, even LBJ's War on Poverty budgets, for example. He has generally argued strongly for a more progressive tax system than we have seen in the Bush or Reagan years. Although we don't know what we will get in the end, his initial health care and energy proposals included solid policy ideas with lots of good progressive notions in them. And he clearly does believe in a stronger regulatory hand than Republican Presidents whose lack of support for even basic regulation is so much of the reason we are in the economic mess we are in today.

In spite of all this though, I do have a couple of deep worries about Obama's economics, and neither of them are small things, they go to the very core of whether the "lagging indicator" ever catches up to the happy days the Wall Street bankers are experiencing right now. One worry is about the President and his economic team's core belief system, and the other is his tactical mindset.

On the economic belief side, I worry that he doesn't fundamentally get that the neo-classical theories that have dominated the economics profession over the last couple of decades are just flat out wrong, and that our economy, despite the recent uptick in some statistics because of the stimulus and the trillions of dollars the Fed injected into the system over the last year, is on some level truly broken. Neo-classical economics assures that once we stabilize the banking system, more credit will go to businesses to invest, and they will all eventually start hiring people. The problem is that this economy is still fundamentally weakened, that the cracks and bruises it suffered in its sudden fall last year made it vulnerable to other problems that will sap its strength. If the neo-classical economists are wrong again- just like they were about the housing bubble, just like they were about deregulating finance and the financial crisis in general- and the economy stays soft, will the jobs ever start getting ginned up again, especially after all that stimulus money runs out in the middle of 2011? (What a delightful time for the economy to turn south for an incumbent President gearing up for his re-election campaign.)

The other thing I worry about with President Obama is on the tactical level. I give him huge credit (in fact of all the things I like about him, what I like best is this) for his willingness to swing for the fences, to try to do big things, transformational things: health care reform, climate change, financial reform, immigration reform. His ambition and desire for big change is his best quality. But when it comes to how you get things passed, his instinct seems to be to follow Rahm Emanuel's more conservative lead and stay carefully within the cautious conventional wisdom lines: rather than being as gutsy on his tactics as he was on his big change agenda, he seems to be pulling back. In order to break through the power of DC special interests, I think Obama is going to have to take them on directly, pick fights with them, and beat them decisively. Because not only is the economic system broken, the political system is broken as well. He needs to think big about programs that create jobs directly, and think bigger than he's done so far about taking on Wall Street.

In the 1930s, FDR figured out that the economic theories that he studied in college were no longer working, and needed to be directly challenged. He put money directly into jobs and income for the poor and working class people rather than doing bank bailouts and tax cuts for the wealthy. He took the fight to the big special interests, the "economic royalists", with pride and with gusto. And the American people supported him. Now is the time for President Obama to take FDR's example, and to fully embrace bottom-up policies rather than the trickle-down variety.

Mike Lux :: The Lagging Indicator

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Those are my favorite quotes (0.00 / 0)
"The emerging economic recovery suffers from a great contradiction: Even as factories seem to be cranking out more stuff, the job market remains terrible."

It's mush-mouth. It means nothing unless you're willing to look at the data from the US, Europe, and other industrialized countries that show conclusively, over decades, that when you stiff workers and the middle class and hand their fair share of the economy to the wealthiest, your economy goes south. You get speculative bubbles. You get massive layoffs and foreclosures. While progressives should make this case, it's also true Obama, Summers, Geithner and the rest know better. They don't push these facts because they're not comfortable with that sort of worker-first, middle-class first economy. For whatever reason, they'd rather coddle the wealthiest.

I'd also like to see a sensible trade policy that uses the corporate tax code to incent companies to hire US workers. Basically no corporate tax for 5 year periods if a company hires all its workers here while enforcing a strong corporate tax rate for companies that choose to offshore. The government would set job creation goals by industry and no goal would be 100% of possible jobs, simply a large percentage of possible jobs. Along with making it easier to form unions, this sort of measured industrial policy would strengthen the paychecks of workers and the middle class. And ensure we have US jobs in the next recession.

It's also true that as a country we're shifting from a suburban-oriented culture to an urban culture. You can't sustain car happy suburbia forever, not least when the oil runs out. Even if the economy were great, the predictable future failure of suburbia is a huge brake on future economic growth.


There is growth without suburbia! (0.00 / 0)
Worry not. There is growth that demand for transit will provide, the growth that the building of windmills will provide and solar arrays and retrofitting. There is growth that will result from lower heat costs. There is growth that more families farms will provide. there is growth in more farming period, as food security will create demand for food production closer and closer to market.

Your ideas about tax changes for employment are on the money as is your drive for reversing decades of forcing down wages and returning fairness to unions and organizing.  

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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The GDP metric (4.00 / 1)
One of the big economic problems is measuring the health of an economy by GDP.  Simply getting away from that to some real metrics would be transformational change.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....

It's Precisely BECAUSE Jobs Are A Lagging Indicator (4.00 / 4)
that we need to do something about them directly.

I don't disagree at all about the main thrust of this piece.  But there's a distinction between the neo-classical theory and the empirical facts.  The empirical facts tell us that jobs are a lagging indicator.  The neo-classical theory tells us that we just have to accept that, and wait for things to work themselves out.  But Keynesian theory--particularly if it's properly understood (more on that in a diary I'm woking on for the weekend)--tells us that we don't just have to wait, that we can speed recovery by pumping the economy up from below--by increasing demand, and by increasing employment, both/

In fact, Keynesian theory tells us that the stimulus was poorly constructed precisely because it failed to save jobs (saving a job means you don't have to re-create it!) in education, health care and social services at the state and local levels, by aiming too low in the first place, and then by letting Ben Nelson, Snarlin Arlen and the crazy ladies from Maine cut tens of billions of dollars in state stabilization funds.

Finally, a word about the real lagging indicators: consciousness and spine.  Obama's consciousness is back in the 19th century, along with the rest of Versailles.  He knows that stimulus spending works, but he really doesn't understand why, or he would never have gone with his half-hearted solution.

Except, of course, for that other lagging indicator.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Amzing similarity of analysis on this point. (4.00 / 1)
Finally, a word about the real lagging indicators: consciousness and spine.  Obama's consciousness is back in the 19th century, along with the rest of Versailles.  He knows that stimulus spending works, but he really doesn't understand why, or he would never have gone with his half-hearted solution. Rosenberg

Now is the time for President Obama to take FDR's example, and to fully embrace bottom-up policies rather than the trickle-down variety. Lux

I will leave to another what is in the mind of Obama, I am however encouraged by his performance on Letterman last night, he said much the same thing as Mike's general point, that the problem of the economy is the decades of falling wages, the loss of economic power in the ordinary of America.

This is the platform, this is the field that is opened for policy for discussion and the road for remedy. The actual facts, the position of power we have, the drive for organizing the anger at a country's powerless against the "ones who are too big to fail" points us all in the right direction for a path out.

We need to reverse the decades of lost wages, the loss of union power, the increase of organized workers, the second stimulus, a massive green energy stimulus, the breaking up of the too big to fail and housing, retrofitting, windmills and solar arrays.

I call on everyone to develop policies that can be concretized and backed. I call on everyone in the vast left to prepare real proposals for how to make real, money in the hands of workers, employment building green energy and stopping carbon emissions. Its you responsibility to get it done. If we don't do this it is a personal failure.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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You still judge Obama by his words? (4.00 / 1)
Aren't you aware now that what he says has almost no cennection to his actions? That guy will say everything for people to accept him! Looks like that's what he learned as the chairman of the Harvard Law Review. But the problem is, he doesn't follow up on these promising words with real action. Just stop listening to the guy, read the paper instead to check if he accomplishes anything.  

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No Gras7y Im sorry you are wrong. (0.00 / 0)
He did not express a policy, or express the need for a particular reform. The visit with David was to express a description of the sate of our country. On that he was on the money. His description was accurate, was applauded and opens the debate for remedy on that floor.

I am not asking, because this is getting repetitious, for anyone to trust anyone. I am describing what happened. The President of the United States, among standing ovations, said: our problem economically is that wages have fallen, that the economic power of ordinary Americans has declined, due to bad policy and stealth, by the last administration and by actions of corporations we are as a nation so poor, we cannot afford our homes, and that destroyed our economy.

I have no links, I hope someone can find the interview in its entirety it is another amazing performance.

That in itself is more than enough. The president says we are poor because of republicans, that destroyed the economy, to fix the economy we need toi change the rationof wealth for the lowest and the highest.

That is a good big well defined battle field to work in.

I dont have to trust the President, he has already done the work. Now we, you and me, have to make sure our congress, and blogistan, and voters and orgs, work to do exactly that.

Please read what I said Gray.


We need to reverse the decades of lost wages, the loss of union power, the increase of organized workers, the second stimulus, a massive green energy stimulus, the breaking up of the too big to fail and housing, retrofitting, windmills and solar arrays.

I call on everyone to develop policies that can be concretized and backed. I call on everyone in the vast left to prepare real proposals for how to make real, money in the hands of workers, employment building green energy and stopping carbon emissions. Its you responsibility to get it done. If we don't do this it is a personal failure.


This what I said. You dont find saying, you will never find me saying, you have seen me saying: trust him itll be alright. I say, the pledge block has vowed, its enough, with a need for a bill top get at least that vow. Support them and fight for better. You can look at all my comments going back years here.

That is what I have always said.

Obama is saying this is our problem, wages & economic power of the poor and working and middle Americans, we need to formulate, develop and support laws to solve that problem. As in we "have to make him do it."

I can live with that. Its harder than if he just soemhow "forced" congress to do his bidding, but Baucus' disgusting pandering to the "You LIE" lout is proof of just how happy the congress is about being forced by the President.


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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I agree (0.00 / 0)
that Mike is mistaken in attributing unemployment as a lagging indicator to conservative economists.

Everyone, from Marxist to neo-Keynesian to neo-classical economics accepts this as just a fact.  Frankly to that extent this post is a little ignorant.

I fundementally disagree with the stimulus debate, because it conflates the stimulus package with fiscal stimulus which are not the same thing.  Keynesian economics focuses on the size of the fiscal stimulus as a whole.

By that measure Obama is the greatest Keynesian in human history by a mile since the deficit to GDP ratio he is running is over twice that FDR ran before 1942.  


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Please! (4.00 / 2)
Keynesian economics focuses on the size of the fiscal stimulus as a whole.

Keynes was the godfather of multiplier economics, and as such he would have cared a great deal that the spending produce as much bang for the buck as possible.

While he certainly cared more that there be spending than anything else, that's because that was the battle of the day.  Equating what was primary in the late 1930s with the entirety--or even the core--of Keynesian economics is a terrible trivialization, particularly since Keynes himself would no doubt still be pushing the boundaries were he alive today, rather than mindlessly repeating the arguments of 70 years ago.

It's much more accurate to characterize his interest as being full employment, since full employment means the economy is running at full capacity. Anything less is wasting productive capacity, thus making society poorer than it need be.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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We have had this argument before (0.00 / 0)
frankly from my perspective it isn't much of an argument.  It it basic macroeconomics that G is the size of the federal deficit or surplus.  That is big picture what is most important in terms of economic stimulus.

Keynes would certainly have cared about the composition of the multiplier although there is a case of Keynsian stimulus being implemented through tax cuts (see the debate between Walter Heller and Galbraith during the Kennedy administration that Heller certainly won).

We completely agree that Keynes would have argued for full employment: the only policy capable of raising incomes across all quartiles.  



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If I remember it correctly, Krugman countered your argument. (0.00 / 0)
Keynes didn't see tax cuts as Ersatz for governmental spending. Anmd rightly so, since the effectivity of tax cuts depend on people spending their bucks. But when dire times are ahead, they won't do that. Studies of behavourism support that view.

And then there's also the time delay between tax cuts and spending. Simply takes too long for at least part of that money to reach the market. Plus, you can only cut taxes for people that pay some. Those aren't the neediest ones. So, this money intially benefits the wrong people.

Hmm, fladem, your approach to this is so theoretically based, without the pragmatism that's typical for Keynsianists, that I suspect you studied macro at one of those freshwater Universities?
:D


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Banks? (0.00 / 0)
The problem with shoving money at the banks is that in a poor economy demand is not sufficient to support many loans.  They are bad risks and avoided.  Pump up the demand and everything will follow.  As Jesse Jackson said back in 1988, "a rising tide lifts all boats."  Still true 20 years later.

Want a success?  Cash for Clunkers pumped up demand with a huge multiple.  It worked.  If we are out of the recession (technically) this modest little $3 billion program played a very big part.  People had to invest their clunker money into cars costing four or five times the benefit.  Fabulous multiplier.

The trillions that the Fed "invested" were far less effective.  They aimed at balance sheets not demand.  The cuts of the Maine Ladies and Nelson were stupendously lousy.  Cutting state spending and payrolls now?  How is that "smart." Limiting a tax break on homes to first-time home buyers.  Stupid.  Yes, that was a Republican idea but pumping up construction and the price of existing homes was a good idea.  Heck, demand for houses would have increased.  Instead the tax cuts stayed.  Fools. Idiots.  Ben Nelson and your stupendous smirk.

Save money?  Get rid of SAC or at least move it from Nebraska to Michigan.  Mutter, mutter.


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This time the progressives really have to go extremist! (0.00 / 0)
That's the experience from the healthcare debate. Like the rethugs do it all the time, the left wing has to make demands that amount to giving them all they dream for, and more. And to do this very publicly! Assure that the debate will start at a point very far in the left. And make sure the attackers have to pay for every single feet of advance they make. Only way to have the chance to settle at a position that is acceptable!

We are running a 13% deficit to GDP (4.00 / 1)
ratio in this country.  We are implementing the most significant Keynesian program in history.

Frankly we could use some global help in staving off a second collapse.


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Debt: GDP DNE Keynesianism (4.00 / 1)
Debt-to-GDP ratios are deficit spending are not the extent and limit of Keynesianism.  It's also about mass purchasing power.  

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Which are largely (0.00 / 0)
influenced by the size of the government deficit.  The Keynsian prescription for a lack in demand is for the government to run a defecit.  That is how it restores purchasing power, either through tax cuts or spending (which is preferable).

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Uh, no, not really correct, imho. (4.00 / 2)
The demand is not for the government to run a deficit, or else giving away money to third world counbtry could do the trick. The point is that the government should finance programs that ensure employment. Keynes wasn't a fan of tax cuts as stimulus at all.

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Gray is right. You can for example have deficit spending on a war. (4.00 / 1)
That produces far far less demand than for example hiring people to build solar arrays, or make unused farmland productive. Same spending, lots more stimulus.

We could for example stop all subsidies to any bank, oil company and insurance company, and put the money into unemployment benefits, retrofitting and supporting country music. (Or any music as the multiplier for demand and the increase in the velocity of money in the arts sector is very high. Much much more stimulus than buying foreign oil for example. But it might, depending on the cuts to oil companies, actually save money.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Global help? From whom? The US bubble ruined everybody else! (0.00 / 0)
And don't forget that "buy american" provision. That wasn't exactly an incentive for solidarity! The US chose the path of "everybody for himself, may god help us all". Now march along. We have our own problems to take care off. When you get into trouble, simply cut your defense budget into half.  

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Why do you think (0.00 / 0)
you have the right to sell things to Americans that are being bought with their own taxes?


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Because out stimulus bill didn't contain any buy German clause. (0.00 / 0)
And because it's been the US that have so stubbornly insisted on their interpretation of free trade, only to abandon it when it wasn't in their interest anymore. Hypocrites.

Hoewever, it was you who asked for solidarity, remember? And my stance, is, the US created this mess, the US didn't repair our damages, the US even put "buy american" into the law, so why the hell should we help? We struggle to keep our own economy afloat! And you don't need help. Cut the defense budget, and use the money for stimuli programs that bring more bang for the buck than effing unnecessary F-22 and F-35. For every defense employee maybe laid off, you can keep to countless construction workers in their job. Remember what Paul wrote about the multiplier effect. You don't have not enough money, you're just wasting it with ineffective spending.


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Evaluate a politican by deeds only, NEVER by words (4.00 / 1)
You, Mike, have bent over backwards to give Obama a fair chance to show that his progressive rhetoric is matched by his commitment to enacting progressive policies.

In both the bailout and health care reform, they have never matched. I believe they never will.

He espouses pro-public goals in his rhetoric and anti-public goals in the legislation he supports.

Under his watch, he has put $23.7 trillion of taxpayers money on the line for past and future bailouts of corrupt bankers and financiers with virtually no strings attached. (Only $300 billion of that had been authorized and obligated by the time Obama came into office.)

But his puny stimulus bill put up less than $1 trillion to create jobs for tens of millions of unemployed workers and he is now pushing a less than $1 trillion health care reform bill that would put up less than the cost of the war he is conducting in Afghanistan and Iraq.

This money trail tells you by way of DEEDS what Obama's commitments really are.

Objective economists and financial experts argue that the only way to end the recession and put the economic and financial systems back on their feet is to resuscitate consumer demand, not put money at the top in the hope it will trickle down.

The federal government must directly refinance the millions of subprime mortages that are subject to foreclosure and put living wages in the hands of consumers by creating jobs, even if the federal government has to hire the unemployed.

Obama and his Neanderthal team of has-been experts who are peddling disproved economic and financial theories are just prolonging and deepening the agony of the American people.

What's worse is that he is also a completely disingenuous politician who appears to be constitutionally unable to stand up to the business and financial interests who are running the country.

Put simply, Obama is the wrong person in the White House at the wrong time to cure the ills plaguing the nation.

Contrary to the myths about his IQ, he is simply unable to think independently and bring into his administration independent thinkers who offer contrary views to his Neanderthals.

I simply cannot stand listening to him.

HE ALWAYS SPEAKS ON BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH.

ALWAYS.

He thinks it makes him look fair and bipartisan.

Instead, it shows he cannot distinguish right from wrong when in the middle of a conflict.

He just doesn't have the the combination of courage and reasoning skills that he needs to figure out for himself an independent course of action that will solve the conflict in which he is involved.

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conservatives are framing the debate (0.00 / 0)
as long we use terms like, "jobs are a lagging indicator",
imo,
in the real world, shouldnt the stock market be the lagging indicator? the first thing that should be done, the initial indicator should be putting people back to work, and than the buying starts and than the factories expand and stocks rise, the fact that corporate news says jobs are the lagging indicator says a lot about the philosophy of our govt, country, and elite that run it, and how trickle down economics is our dominant philosophy  the halls of power-

-About the financial regulation, i believe it is too late, we had these very large banks on the ropes, they were in their death throws, begging to be saved, and we gave them everything they wanted with few strings attached, the time has past to enact meaningful regulation, it should have been passed already,thats how power works,
now the banks are back in the drivers seat and will dictate to congress how little regulation they can pass to appease the masses-

whatever you think people owe you, that is what you owe people


Phew, Nancy and Paul (0.00 / 0)
I don't disagree with the sentiment, although I don't share Nancy's disappointment because I didn't expect better.

What has not been emphasized, though it has been mentioned, is the need for a social movement to force the president to do what he doesn't want to do.  Labor should lead the fight.  There was a demo on Wall Street where the 3 newly elected AFL-CIO officers demanded financial regulation.  If your are interested in the details check out this website:  http://blog.aflcio.org/2009/09...  Attendance was sparse as this was an 'insider' rally.

On the Bill Moyer Journal, Michael Zwieg and Bill Fletcher argued that Labor must embrace its social movement past and lead.  I agree. Here is the link:  http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour...

Can unions rise to the occassion?  If they don't, we are screwed.  The leadership will come, if it comes, from the AFL-CIO.

Anyone heard from Andy Stern lately?

I live in a true blue state--I will have a choice in November


in other words (0.00 / 0)
it seems like the term"lagging indicator" really means shit we care least about, while middle america could care less about stocks as long as they have jobs to pay the bills, the rich could care less about middle america as long as they have their wall street casino up and running

whatever you think people owe you, that is what you owe people

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