The Failure of the Free Market

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 12:37


In my first diary yesterday, I questioned whether, as Chris argued, another wave election victory for Democrats, based primarily on the Iraq War, would be enough to produce a genuine realignment, and the overthrow of the conservative coalition. I picked up on David Sirota's diary about a three-country expansion of NAFTA, and agreed that this sort of politics had proven deadly for Democrats in 1994, but disagreed somewhat about why and how.

In my second diary, I looked at Naomi Klein's reframing of "free market" conventional wisdom in her new book, The Shock Doctrine, and a 7-minute trailer for it.  The "free market" is not natural, inevitable, noncoercive and beyond politics-as, for example, neocon Frances Fukiyama argued in The End of History--but rather the product of deliberate anti-democratic interventions carried out when societies are helpless to resist.

This is, of course, one of the key dynamics in Iraq.  Although Saddam was a brutal dictator, he kept Iraq's basic social contract intact. Iraq was a Western-style welfare state, based on its oil wealth, with a highly educated middle class.  The oil law we are trying to impose is central to changing all that, transferring enormous wealth to oil companies, and leaving Iraq with a vastly impoverished public sphere.  (Which, of course, opens the way for "faith-based initiatives" of the Hamas, Hezboolah, even bin Laden persuasions.) The oil law is a key requirement of the Iraq Study Group recommendations- recommendations which some have proposed should form the foundation of the Democrats' alternative to Bush's endless war.

The fact that this oil law could be nonchalantly accepted in such a manner is indicative of how poorly we understand the nature of the political struggle we are in.  Stealing Iraqs oil wealth-for that is what the oil law does-should be anathema, morally repugnant to us.  That it is not is a reflection on our general ignorance of the "free market" dogma and its impact on the rest of the world.  We simply fail to focus on the oil law because we do not see that larger movement of which it is part-a movement to extract as much wealth as possible from the poor people of the earth, which is what "free trade" is actually all about. 

More on the flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: The Failure of the Free Market
"She Knows There's No Success Like Failure"
-- Bob Dylan, "Love Minus Zero (No Limit)"

The argument below is that "free market" reforms have failed to deliver economic growth and development as promised.  But this is an argument within the framework of "free market" assumptions.  As indicated by my introduction, and supported by Klein's book, one need not accept these assumptions.  If the real purpose of "free market" ideology is to rationalize extremes of wealth and poverty, then it has been a tremendous success. 

The fact that the ideology fails on its own terms, that it produces much slower rates of economic growth, is thus not just important for rejecting specific policies, but also for rejecting the ideology itself as a fraud and deception.  If it were really about producing prosperity, then it would have been abandoned when it was clear that it didn't.  The fact that it continues despite its failure is proof that it's purpose really is simply to rationalize the results that it actually produces-extremes of wealth and poverty.  Thus, it is the perfect vehicle to continue the traditional rule of an aristocratic elite in the formal structures of modern democracy,

What's this about the failure of "free market" ideology you say?  Ah, I thought you'd never ask...

"Free Market" Failure By The Numbers

In 2005, the Center for Economic Policy Research produced a report, "The Scorecard on Development: 25 Years of Diminished Progress." [PDF]  This report is entirely within the framework of accepting the "free market" claims on their face, and thus what it shows is a record of failure.

Let's be clear, in most of the world, most people's livers are getting better.  But the poor are living in poverty much deeper and much longer than necessary.  What this report shows is that the rate of improvement has slowed dramatically under "free market" policies that have been dominant internationally since 1980.  At the same time, global elites are doing just fine, thank you.

The paper's executive summary begins thus:

This paper looks at the available data on economic growth and various social indicators - including health outcomes and education - and compares the last 25 years (1980-2005)1 with the prior two decades (1960-1980). The paper finds that, contrary to popular belief, the past 25 years (1980-2005) have seen a sharply slower rate of economic growth and reduced progress on social indicators for the vast majority of low- and middle-income countries.

It then goes on to explain a crucial point about its methodology, so that we understand what is being compared:

Countries are divided into quintiles on the basis of their starting point at the beginning of each period. The study therefore does not compare the performance of the same country over the two periods, because this would tend to find reduced progress for the second period due to "diminishing returns." In other words, it would be more difficult for a country to move from a life expectancy of 70 to 75, than from 50 to 55. By comparing the performance of countries that start out at a certain level in 1960, with countries that start out at the same level in 1980, this study avoids the possibility of interpreting such inherent limits on progress as evidence of failure in the second period.

As the authors explain later on, this methodology is more than fair to the "free market" model:

In fact, this methodology should bias the data towards finding better results for the second period. There should generally be possibilities for countries to gain by borrowing from the technology and practices of other countries that are richer or have achieved higher levels of the various social indicators. As a result of the progress made in the first period, there were far more possibilities for faster improvement in the second period.

With that out of the way, the overview of findings begins:

A sharp fall-off in the growth of GDP per capita was found for all groups of countries except the bottom quintile. (See Figure 1) In the fourth quintile, marked by per capita incomes between $1238 and $2364, growth falls from 2.4 percent annually in the first period to 0.7 percent in the second period. To get an idea how much difference this makes over time, at 2.4 percent growth the country's income per person will double in about 29 years. At 0.7 percent growth, it would take 99 years.

The middle quintile, with GDP per capita between $2364 and $4031, drops from a 2.6 percent growth rate in the first period to 1 percent in the second. The second quintile ($4086-8977) falls even further: from 3.1 percent in the first period to 1.3 percent in the second period.

Even the top quintile, which at $9012 to $43,713 contains a mixture of middle-income and highincome countries shows a sizeable falloff in growth, from 2.6 percent in the first period to only 1.3 percent in the second period. The only group which does not show a slowdown in growth is the bottom quintile, with per capita income between $355 and $1225 annually, where growth increases slightly, from 1.7 to 1.8 percent. However this is still not a good average performance for the poorest developing countries, and the slight improvement disappears without India and China.

This is the key finding of the report, since economics is what "free market" ideology cares about and talks about most of all.  As one can see from the chart, the diminished progress is striking:

Figure 1:

I'll have more to say about this below, after introducing the rest of the findings.  Next comes life expectancy, the broadest indicator of health and well-being:

A decline in the rate of improvement for life expectancy was found for the vast majority of low- and middle-income countries. (See Figure 2) The biggest drop was in the fourth quintile, with life expectancy between 44 and 53. These countries saw an average annual increase of 0.56 years for 1960-1980, but almost no progress - 0.03 years for the second period. Over 20 or 25 years this makes a large difference. For the first period, countries in this quintile increased their life expectancy by about 11 years. If this rate of improvement had continued, the countries in this quintile in the second period would have raised life expectancy by 12 years; instead they saw an increase of only 0.7 years. The bottom, middle, and second quintiles also saw declines in the rate of progress. The only exception was the highest quintile, with life expectancy between 69 and 76 years. This quintile showed some improvement in the second period, which was driven by the highincome countries in the group.

Figure 2:

The report then looks at various components of longevity:

A decline in the rate of improvement for adult mortality was found for male and female adults, for most groups. (See Figures 5 and 6). For females, all quintiles except the best one show worse performance for the second period, with the fourth quintile showing an actual increase (rather than a decline in the rate of reduction) in mortality rates. For males, the bottom three quintiles show worse performance for the second period, with the fourth quintile showing an actual increase in mortality rates.

A decline in the rate of progress for child (under 5) mortality was found across all quintiles, although the reduction in progress is relatively small in the top two quintiles. (See Figure 7).

A decline in the rate of improvement for infant mortality was found for all groups of countries. (See Figure 8).

Infant and child mortality are widely used as general indicators of social welfare, since children at these ages are particularly vulnerable, while parents will generally do anything in their power to save the lives of their children.

Figure 7:

Figure 8:

Finally, education-a key component in driving economic development, as well as empowering individual autonomy-suffers as well:

A reduction in the rate of increase of public spending on education was found for all groups of countries. (See Figure 9). For the higher income countries, this is partly attributable to demographic changes.

A reduction in the rate of increase in secondary school enrollment was also found across all groups of countries, in addition to a reduced rate of increase for primary school enrollment for the bottom two quintiles.

This is, in short, a record of sweeping failure.  The figures prove it. The authors, in keeping with the world of scholarly research, are quite subdued in drawing conclusion:

Implications

Over the past 25 years a number of economic reforms have taken place in low and middle-income countries. These reforms, as a group, have been given various labels: "liberalization," "globalization," or "free-market"(2) are among the most common descriptions. Among the reforms widely implemented have been the reduction of restrictions on international trade and capital flows, large-scale privatizations of state-owned enterprises, tighter fiscal and monetary policies (higher interest rates), labor market reforms, and increasing accumulation of foreign reserve holdings. There is a general consensus that the majority of developing countries have benefited economically from the reforms, even if they have sometimes been accompanied by increasing inequality or other unintended consequences.

The evidence in this paper indicates that this consensus could be mistaken. The trends in growth rates and social indicators are overwhelmingly in the same direction, showing a reduced rate of progress over the last 25 years. It is generally difficult to show a clear relationship between any particular policy change and economic outcomes, especially across countries. There are many changes that take place at the same time, and causality is difficult to establish. It is certainly possible that the decline in economic and social progress that has taken place over the last 25 years would have been even worse in the absence of the policy changes that were adopted. But that remains to be demonstrated. In the meantime, a long-term failure of the type documented here should at the very least shift the burden of proof to those who maintain that the major policy changes of the last 25 years have raised living standards in the majority of developing countries, and encourage skepticism with regard to economists or institutions who believe they have found a formula for economic growth and development. Most importantly, the outcome of the last 25 years should have economists and policy-makers thinking about what has  gone wrong.

(2)  The latter term, as well as "free trade," is inaccurate as a matter of economics, since the reforms have included very costly forms of protectionism - e.g. increased patent and copyright protection - as well as such policies as fixed exchange rates, which are the opposite of "free-market" policies.

That's all well and good for the policy-making world, where everyone involved is well-fed.  But for the people experiencing it first hand, not so much.  A little stronger response seems quite warranted, and that, indeed, is what we have been seeing, particularly in Latin America.

Did I just say, "Latin America"?

One region that has been particularly affected by this growth slowdown has been Latin America. Income per capita for the region grew by more than 80 percent from 1960-1979, but only about 11 percent from 1980-2000 and 3 percent for 2000-2005. This has been a drastic change. If Brazil, for example, had continued to grow at its pre-1980 rate, the country would have European living standards today. Mexico would not be far behind. Instead, the region has suffered its worst 25-year economic performance in modern Latin American history, even including the years of the Great Depression. This is a region that adopted many of the policy reforms that have characterized the last 25 years. The average tariff on imported goods was cut by about half from 1970 to 2000.9 Controls on the inflow and outflow of investment were either removed or drastically reduced in most countries. Privatization of state-owned enterprises was undertaken on a massive scale: it amounted to 178 billion dollars in the 1990s, more than 20 times the value of privatization in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.10 Latin American countries also adopted more than 80 IMF programs during the last 25 years. These programs generally required higher real interest rates as well as budget cuts, which led to reductions in social spending - as well as other forms of liberalization.

As a result of this long-term economic failure, many Latin Americans have blamed the reforms, which are often labeled "neoliberalism" there. In the last seven years there have been a number of elections - in Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, and Uruguay - where the winning candidates campaigned against "neoliberalism," and political unrest in other countries based on the same theme. Still, the long-term growth slowdown, whether in Latin America or in the developing world generally, has attracted little attention or debate in policy circles in the United States.

It's amazing how many people on Dkos and elsewhere in the left blogosphere fall for and even actively promote the demonization of Hugo Chavez, with no notion at all of why he is so popular.  This little overview says it all.  Would we have tolerated such extreme and prolonged economic stagnation?  Our own history of unrest during the Great Depression strongly suggests we would not.

Let me reiterate what the authors wrote: "If Brazil, for example, had continued to grow at its pre-1980 rate, the country would have European living standards today."  Brazil is by far the largest country in Latin America.  It dominates the continent of South America, even more than the US dominates North America.  If it had achieved European living standards today, the rest of the continent would surely have experienced spill-over benefits in addition to their own higher growth rates.  Most of all, its example would have given powerful assurances of hope for even the poorest people of Latin America.

Needless to say, this is far from the reality of Latin America today.  Yet, this vastly different alternative present was not just possible, it was highly probable until the "free market" crowd had their way with things.

But what about America, you say?

Funny you should ask. For that, I commend you to the inagural post of Paul Krugman's new blog, which starts off with this brief passage from his new book, The Conscience of a Liberal:

"I was born in 1953. Like the rest of my generation, I took the America I grew up in for granted - in fact, like many in my generation I railed against the very real injustices of our society, marched against the bombing of Cambodia, went door to door for liberal candidates. It's only in retrospect that the political and economic environment of my youth stands revealed as a paradise lost, an exceptional episode in our nation's history."

This is what realignment politics is all about--recapturing paradise lost.


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Important. (0.00 / 0)
Paul, this is a great post, and extremely important. We should really push a big and deep discussion of these issues.

The people will prevail (0.00 / 0)
I applaud and concur with all your cogent analyses and statistics above.

To simplify the prognosis of how we replace the failed economic and political systems you describe, I would like to say that there is no doubt in my mind that the majority of the planet's 6 billion inhabitants will eventually prevail over the minority elite that currently dominates the political and economic systems in most countries.

The past two hundred years of economic and political colonialism and neo-colonialism will be a past chapter in the history of the human race once we the people figure out the logistics of outmaneuvering these pathetic elites and run the planet in a manner that supports our well-being - economically, politically, socially and culturally.

Is there anyone who could possibly doubt that 6 billion people are eventually going to outsmart and outmaneuver a self-serving elite numbering in the hundreds of thousands?

What we are doing now is to figure out how to leverage our numbers and our vital interests and create democratic control mechanisms that kick out of power these holdovers from bygone eras.

Compared to living under their thumb for the past two hundred years, this is the easy part.


You Put This In Terms That Remind Me (0.00 / 0)
that it's very much a matter of getting people to identify with others (their "betters") rather than themselves.  That's how a tiny minority manages to rule.

If everyone wants to be Donald Trump, then they're not in a position to even start questioning why one person should have so much, while others have so little.

That's why we need to speak to people in cultural terms as well as stictly political and economic terms.  We need to undermine that identification system, which is a system of illusion.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Reframing and reforming capitalism (4.00 / 1)
Paul,

Once again you cover a lot of ground, most of which is beyond my pay grade and ability to comment on.  And, once again, you close with provocative comments that presumably serve as introduction to future posts.  I'm referring here to your closing references to realignment politics and Krugman's blog/book/experience.

In terms of framing and narratives, I find myself attracted to terms like "Capitalism 3.0" and "Natural Capitalism," both of which are also the title of books:
http://www.openleft....
http://www.amazon.co...
http://onthecommons....
http://www.amazon.co...
http://www.natcap.or...

Both books focus on the role of the commons in "reforming" the capitalistic system.  Because commons are shared resources, their role in our economic system is inherently tied to questions of equality, especially since their expropriation and exploitation by private capital (today in the form of corporations) has been a key dynamic in the expansion of some of industrial/financial capitalism's core pathologies. 

I also like the two names, since they suggest alternative framings for creating 21st century economic systems that have the potential to be embraced by Americans whose minds and hearts have been immersed in positive images of capitalism vs. negative images of communism.  And though I don't claim to be much of a philosopher, I'd also suggest they both may point to a dialectical synthesis that I believe can emerge from the clash and respective failures of 20th century state communism and corporate-dominated "free market" (read oligopolistic) economics and the money-controlled politics that is its political counterpart.  And though I personally believe the latter, in its post-9/11 form, exhibits notable similarities to fascism, I think the latter term is so loaded a word that it risks shutting people's minds to rational arguments and, thus, should be used carefully.

Another book that in my view helps shed fresh light on modern-day capitalism is Marjorie Kelly's "The Divine Right of Capital."  My sense is that the information and perspectives presented in this book include elements that can help lay conceptual and institutional foundations for a 21st century economic system that can be understood and embraced by a wide range of American and global citizens.
  http://www.amazon.co...
http://en.wikiquote....

That's all I have time for now.  Time to go spend time with family and breath some fresh air.  Thanks again for sharing and stirring thoughts and passions on the subjects of realignment and reframing.


I Close By Reminding Folks Of Why I'm Doing It (4.00 / 1)
Not just to bitch and moan, but to lay the foundations for a different path.

And, yes, that will be taken up in a future post.  But I've got a few more intermediary steps.  I just don't want to lose sight of where they're all headed.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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writing a book? (0.00 / 0)
Paul,
I started looking back at some of your earlier posts and realized how prolific you've been.  Are you working on a book?  I hope so.  And, if you don't mind me asking, how do you earn your daily bread?  My hope is that you can do so by writing about this stuff.

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I'm Writing More Than One (0.00 / 0)
Which is the problem.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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FIXED MARKET CAPITALISM (0.00 / 0)
Republicans support FIXED MARKET CAPITALISM. They fix the market so everyone else loses.

Republicans don't believe in democracy because democracy interferes with the FIXED MARKET.

Republicans believe that government exists to guarantee the market is fixed in service of the corporations.

Republicans use privatization to redistribute our common wealth to corporations.

Republican regulation is designed as a firewall to prevent the common good from being recognized as a line item of cost.

Democrats support democracy and markets regulated by "we the people" to serve the common good.

Government is good when democracy is strong.


Fixing The Problem (0.00 / 0)
"Fix" is one of those rare English words that has two completely opposite meanings.

Normally, you fix something to make it work the way it's supposed to.  But when you fix fight or a horserace, you do just the opposte.

Or, there's the case of the bully who says, just before breaking the weakling's nose, "I'll fix you!"

Finally, there is the movement conservative usage, in which "fixing the problem" means fixing it in place.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Does "Disaster Capitalism" resonate as a successful frame? (4.00 / 1)
I don't think so. It does suggest that the result of so called "Free Market Capitalism" is a disaster for the average person, but it does not describe the means to achieving the disaster.

Also "Disaster Capitalism" does not give direct battle to the term "Free Market Capitalism" because it does not include the word market.

"Disaster Capitalism" also brings to mind disasters such as Katrina and Iraq. In those disasters so called "Free Market Capitalism" produced a poor result for the average citizen and a giant windfall for Bush family cronies. I am not sure that people will make that connection.

The problem with Free Market Capitalism, as you document, is that it describes  something that does not exist and has never existed. All markets are regulated and supported in some fashion by government.

"Free Market Capitalism" really means the use of laws and government to legalize theft of the world's natural and economic resources by Corporations while keeping the cost of labor as low as possible.

I wonder of words like Fixed and Rigged have two meanings because they are talking about abusing a system in a manner that produces a fraudulent result while maintaining a pretense that the system is free and fair.

Free Markets = Not Free Markets
Fair Trade = Unfair Trade

Perhaps I missed the better frame some where in your diary.

Another ingredient that may be necessary for a successful re-framing is the use of that frame by enough people.

I am not fixed on "Fixed Market Capitalism," but I don't know if "Disaster Capitalism" will catch on.

It will probably be as widely used as E. coli conservatives.


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Disaster Capitalism And Other Frames (0.00 / 0)
"Disaster capitalism" refers directly to the dependence on exploiting disasters.  As such it points to the means of implementing the policies.  Like Toto, it pulls back the curtain.  "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

So, it strikes me as very useful phrase.

You're posing a different question, it seems to me.  You're looking for a magic bullet phrase.  And I'm not at all convinced that (a) one is possible or (b) one is desireable.

After all, the purpose of crafting a perfect phrase is generally to sell something, to present the one perfect fantasy.  And our purpose is to break things down, to analyze, to pick things apart, in order to understand how they work in multiple different ways.

And when we want to build our own alternatives, our purpose should be to maintain transparency, not to obscure or mystify what we are doing.  So again, this is a process not served by trying to come up with a single, all-encompassing description.

I think that we're well served to be aware of meme potential with the descriptions, phrases or frames we use, but not to be too obsessed with them.  The primary purpose should be sound thinking in the first instance.  If we first have that, then the foundation for good memes is solid, and they will surely come.

But if we're too obsessed with finding them, we can kill the carrots by digging them up constantly to see how well they're growing.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Excellent points (0.00 / 0)
It is probably true that consistently expending energy on behalf of better government will bring it about more certainly than talking about frames.

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That's Too Simplistic (0.00 / 0)
I think it's very important to talk about frames--but not to do it in a way that inadvertantly subverts the whole purpose of talking about them in the first place.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Savage Capitalism? (4.00 / 2)
In Spanish, capitalismo selvaje translates as Jungle Capitalism. This word "selvaje" has the sense of savage.

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Quick and Easy Fixes for Predatory Free Market Economies (0.00 / 0)
There are quick and easy fixes for the dysfunctions of predatory economic systems like ours, per Paul's analysis.

It will be easy to adopt and implement these fixes legislatively as increasing numbers of working people realize that only they are getting screwed by these systems and the corporations that run them, while the rich that have gotten rich from them are getting richer.

Corporations may seem all-powerful but they lack and cannot obtain the most powerful leverage of all. They are not legally permitted to vote because only the people are sovereign, according to our constitution.

Corporations have been acting like they can vote by buying the votes of elected representatives with their campaign contributions. But their excesses have sparked a populist counter-revolution that will be felt at the ballot box, which will soon reverse the conservative revolution that aborted the promise of the free enterprise system that was beginning to flourish in America.

Here are a couple of these quick and easy fixes:

1. We must elect representatives who will enforce windfall and excess profits laws against predatory corporations. There are many on the books and many more to be enacted. They are easy to enforce through taxation of the excess profits.

These taxes should be high enough to provide an effective incentive to offending corporations to revise their financial models and stop ripping off their workers and their customers.

2. We must elect representatives who will enact laws that limit the discrepancy between the compensation that executives receive in contrast to that received by workers. It is easy to identify corporations where executive pay is hundreds of times that of workers and pass laws to reduce the discrepancy to fair and reasonable proportions.

3. We must elect representatives who will pass minimum wage laws that provide all workers enough money to pay for the basic necessities where they live. We must pass laws requiring all corporations to provide insurance to their employees (until we get a single-payer system), provide pensions and create career ladders that enable workers to move into higher paying positions. Laws should be enacted prohibiting corporations from fragmenting full-time positions into part-time positions in order to pay low wages and deny benefits.

4. Our representatives must increase the income taxes of the households of the wealthy individuals who receive their income from corporate sources and maintain and increase the estate taxes of those in the highest income brackets.

5. We must enforce laws prohibiting unfair business practices that corporations like Wal-Mart use to destroy their competition, such as low wages and low prices that competitors can not withstand.

6. We must create non-predatory public/private partnerships that invest public and private sources of capital in launching and developing state and local businesses that sell products and services at reasonable prices, so that they can seize market share from predatory corporations that sell overpriced goods and services to captive markets.

With appropriate legislation and support from non-predatory members of the private sector, we can easily create a parallel free enterprise system supported by the public and private sectors that will eventually replace the privatized, predatory free enterprise system that is now controlling the U.S. economy.

Can't you just see it - homegrown U.S. enterprises that provide U.S. consumers renewable sources of energy at reasonable prices that put the ExxonMobiles and the Chevrons of the world out of business?

7. Our elected representatives must pass laws that return to public sector control the management of publicly-owned assets like water and electricity that have been taken over by private contractors who charge unwarranted and unreasonable prices for the goods and services they sell the public.

Note that the quick and easy fixes listed above do NOT include government intervention to fix prices, which has proved counterproductive in the past. Government officials and elected representatives do not have the know-how to figure out what prices should be and should not get into this business.

We are not trying to destroy the free enterprise system or put it in a strait jacket. These quick and easy fixes are design to enable it to function freely and fairly, not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


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Some Questions . . . (0.00 / 0)
How would you respond to, say, a critic of "free trade agreements" who comes from the perspective that they don't promote true free trade, but are little more than international regulations designed to rid the market in favor of big multinational corporations.  They contain standards for bourbon and tequila, for intellectual property rights, and are still called "free trade agreements" but somehow standards for labor and the environment would ruin the idea of "free trade."

Or, a person who looks at the declining conditions of the rest of the world and blames, at least partially, American and European agricultural subsidies that have been flooding the market since the 1970s and are ruining the livelihood of farmers in the rest of the world.

Or consider privatization of state corporations based on connections and bribery.  This is often the result of neo-liberal reforms, but it's vulnerable to criticism not only because it is anti-democratic, but it's also anti-free market.

You point to an international system, say that it isn't working, and claim that the international system isn't working because of these neo-liberal/free market "reforms" that have been pushed top-down.  Therefore, the free market doesn't work and must be replaced with a new paradigm.

But you could also take a more Marxist approach.  See capitalism not as synonymous with the free market, but an economic order created by the state in which the system is rigged in favor of the owners of capital, the multinational corporations, the Power Elite. 

See, as Jon Stewart recently observed when interviewing Alan Greenspan, that our system is not a free market, it has things like the Federal Reserve.  That the deviations from a free market, be they trade agreements that create international regulations to protect corporations, subsidies for Western corporations, or the IMF and other pillars of the neoliberal economic order are a vital part of understanding why this system perpetuates inequality.

This isn't a "free market" and I think calling it a "free market" concedes too much ground.  This is class warfare, with those at the top using the state to create an economy that favors them.


So You're Arguing On The Basis Of Theories That Have Never Been Realized? (0.00 / 0)
This sounds remarkably similar to a pure communist arguing valiantly in 1989 that Communism had never really been tried, and rather than any other criticism, we ought to privilege a Communist critique of the Soviet Union over any other.

It's a very interesting high school debating team exercise.  And a lot can be learned from it in that narrow context.  So it has some value... in high school.

In the real world, though, not so much.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If it Meows, Don't Call it a Duck (0.00 / 0)
I'm saying that just because these corporate apologists parade themselves around as proponents of the "free market" doesn't mean that you have to agree.

America is, for now, a democracy still.  The Soviet Union as not.  But in both you have groups that have disconnect between rhetoric and reality.  In a democracy like the United States, I think it's very likely that free market rhetoric resonants with some votes.  Why else would Republicans campaign on it?  Republicans win their votes, and then deliver anti-free market policies.  Why not contest that ground and attack Republicans as anti-free market and try to pick up potentially new voters?

Here's an excellent example of how to attack them for their inconsistencies:

http://www.house.gov...

"Mr. Chairman, I am here to confess my reading incomprehension. I have listened to many of my conservative friends talk about the wonders of the free market, of the importance of letting the consumers make their best choices, of keeping government out of economic activity, of the virtues of free trade, but then I look at various agricultural programs like this one. Now, it violates every principle of free market economics known to man and two or three not yet discovered.

So I have been forced to conclude that in all of those great free market texts by Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek and all the others that there is a footnote that says, by the way, none of this applies to agriculture. Now, it may be written in high German, and that may be why I have not been able to discern it, but there is no greater contrast in America today than between the free enterprise rhetoric of so many conservatives and the statist, subsidized, inflationary, protectionist, anti-consumer agricultural policies, and this is one of them.

In particular, I have listened to people, and some of us have said let us protect workers and the environment in trade; let us not have unrestricted free trade; but let us have trade that respects worker rights and environmental rights. And we have been excoriated for our lack of concern for poor countries.

There is no greater obstacle, as it is now clear in the Doha round, to the completion of a comprehensive trade policy than the American agricultural policy, with one exception, European agricultural policy, which is much worse and just as phony.

Sugar is an example. This program is an interference with the legitimate efforts at economic self-help in many foreign nations.

So I appreciate the leadership of the gentleman from Arizona and the gentleman from Oregon. Here is a chance for some of my free-enterprise-professing friends to get honest with themselves, and now maybe we will see some born-again free enterprisers in the agricultural field."


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I'm Not Saying You Shouldn't Contest The Faud, I'm Saying Don't Believe It (0.00 / 0)
I think it's very likely that free market rhetoric resonants with some votes.  Why else would Republicans campaign on it?  Republicans win their votes, and then deliver anti-free market policies.  Why not contest that ground and attack Republicans as anti-free market and try to pick up potentially new voters?

It's certainly a good idea to point out GOP hypocrisy.  But if you do it so that you implicitly endorse the idea of a real free market, then you are not really moving people in a long-term positive direction.  Markets are inherently the creatures of regulation.  Without regulations there are no markets, just individual transactions, completely disconnected from one another.

Much better, I think to talk about "fair markets" for example, since the concept of fairness immediately suggests an ethical context, albeit without explicitly defining it.  So, if you want to contest the GOP's hypocrisy, fine.  But make sure you introduce a truly positive alternative in course of doing so.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Fair Enough (0.00 / 0)
I think we were talking past each other for a bit.

The way I see it . . .

Anarchy is not an option*

*Reasons for anarchy not being an option vary.

Even a "free market" advocate like Milton Friedman supports:
  * A Federal Reserve/Government regulation of money.
  * International regulatory bodies like the WTO.
  * Trade agreements that internationalized intellectual property rights.
  * Domestic patent protection.
  * School vouchers.
  * Individual health insurance mandates.
  * Courts, laws, police, etc.
  * Military.
  * A system of taxation to fund the above, which will itself influence the economy.  Taxation of labor vs. taxation of wealth.  Etc.

Even "free market" politicians in the Republican Party tend to support:
  * Social coercion with regards to reproductive and sexual decisions.
  * War on Drugs.
  * Agricultural subsidies.  Old fossil fuel energy subsidies.
  * Transportation and other pork projects.  Earmarks.
  * Imperialism abroad.
  * A crack down on civil liberties.
  * Tort reform.
  * Anti-union regulations.  "Right to work."
  * Subsidies to drug companies.
  * A whole lot more.

The choice in politics is not between an economic system without government regulations or an economic system with government regulations; a free market or a socialist market.  In reality, it's between what types of government intervention do you want.  But I don't think the Democrats have been framing it that way.

And given that we don't have a free market, I don't see why Democrats should waste their time bashing the idea of a free market.


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By This Logic (0.00 / 0)
And given that we don't have a free market, I don't see why Democrats should waste their time bashing the idea of a free market.

There was no sense in Toto pulling back the curtain to reveal the Wizard of Oz, since he really wasn't a wizard, after all.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Absurd (0.00 / 0)
My suggestion that we attack the Republicans for not being consistent supporters of the free market is a better analogy to Toto pulling back the curtain to reveal the truth about the Wizard of Oz.

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It's All A Question Of What You Think The Fraud Is (0.00 / 0)
You think it's just the Republicans.  I think it's the Republicans and the myth of the free market.

Two! Two! Two Frauds In One!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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So How? (0.00 / 0)
It's easy enough to show that the Republicans are frauds.

But how are you going to attack the idea of a free market?

Because the neo-liberal system of so-called free trade isn't the free market.

As you attacked me for previously, the free market is essentially a utopian scenario that hasn't been implemented before.

How do you propose attacking and dismantling something that doesn't exist?


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The Mythology Exists (0.00 / 0)
So attack the mythology.

What's so mysterious about that?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Myths and Legends (0.00 / 0)
Are you attacking:

1- The myth that trade agreements, etc. are part of the free market?

or.

2- That the free market is good for economic growth, etc.

If you're trying to do the second, and the free market isn't a reality, how are you going to do that?

The diary focused on the failure of current neo-liberal theories of economic development, not the failures of a non-existent free market.


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I won't argue for the other person (4.00 / 1)
But, I think the point is that there can be no such thing as a perfect free market that will work well. Why? His example of communism is a good one. Just as there can not be a situation in which people work solely for the community interest or the state or ignore things like their believes is the same reason people can not be perfectly rational actors. Remember at base all economic thought comes down to a fundamentally flawed assumption that we are perfectly rational actors. If we are not, the curtain is pulled back, and the theory  fails. Right now, many economics department across the US would find such a statement herectical without regard to conservative versus liberal or Republican versus Democratic frames. Without regard, indeed, to your arguments over fraud. Fraud here is the belief that the construct of a perfectly rational actor is true. It's not. And nore can it be. There has been a lot of recent research on the most basic tenet of economic thought, the rational actor, and by extention the free market. Think of it this way- how can one have a free market that truly works according to its own set of rules if the most  fundamental tenet, the rational actor, on which it is based is false?

I will try to search for some of the research I've read, but the central thrust, which is somewhat common sense, is that people don't always act rationally and when they do act rationally it  does not necessarily produce the best outcome.


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A Variety of Empirical Evidence (0.00 / 0)
is covered by Robert Kuttner in his book Everything for Sale: The Virtues and Limits of Markets.

It was written 10 years ago, so obviously there is a good deal more that could be added to it.  But it's very lucid and accessible, so anyone who wants to understand the sorts of problems that exist wouldn't go wrong by starting there.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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By the way one example off top my head (0.00 / 0)
healthcare

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Free Market Health Care (0.00 / 0)
Can you provide an example of a free market health care system?

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it wouldn't matter if I did (0.00 / 0)
it couldn't work. If you think there can be then you are as faith based as a communist or Christian because to believe in free market healthcare is to not understand why people seek healthcare.

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Knocking It (0.00 / 0)
So you're going to go around knocking free market health care, but cling to the idea that there's never going to be a free market health care system because it wouldn't work?

Not working isn't the same as not existing.  Lots of economic systems don't work but exist for short periods of time.


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Being And Not-Quite Nothingness (0.00 / 0)
The free market doesn't exist.  But it legitimates various and sundry approximations, some more ludicrously contradictory than others.

Attempts to make things approximate it can fall into any number of different failure modes.  But all share two things in common: (1) They are failure modes (2) Approximating a fairy tale.

So, why don't we discuss unicorn health care?  Frankly, I find it a whole lot more fascinating than free market health care.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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So . . . (0.00 / 0)
It's like working towards some abstract goal that can never be reached . . .

. . . like a more percent union?

Why can't we have goals to shoot for?


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They're The Wrong Goals (0.00 / 0)
Obviously.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Wow (0.00 / 0)
"Obviously?"

It's a sad state of liberal discourse when it's taken as a given, no longer even debated, that free markets aren't a goal worth holding.

Liberalism was founded on free markets and free minds.


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Not So Much (0.00 / 0)
Liberalism was founded on free markets and free minds.

This is a marketing slogan for libertarianism.  It is anything but an accurate historical representation of liberalism.

Modern liberalism was founded on religious tolerance, the evolution of individual rights and freedom from the logic of theocracy.  The ground was prepared by Renaissance humanism.  Political self-determination evolved as a principle over several centuries, with the concept of government justified by the consent of the governed becoming increasingly robust over a similarly long period of time.

The notion of free markets--as opposed to anti-monopolistic thought, which was much older, and not specific to liberalism--didn't enter the picture until after Adam Smith (who was originally regarded as a radical, and wasn't assimilated into liberal thought until the post-Napoleonic era, a good 40 years after The Wealth of Nations was written).  Laissez-faire was all the rage for about a generation or so, when it became painfully apparent that it didn't work as advertized.  First the poets (or, more importantly at the time, novelists, principly Dickens) turned against it.  Then the philosophers (J.S. Mills), then the ideologues (Hobson and Green), and finally the politicians (Lloyd George).

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Absurd (0.00 / 0)
To ignore the important role that Adam Smith, John Locke, and other proponents of a free market had in laying the foundation for liberalism is historical revisionism.  And given how you manipulate statistics, not surprising for you.

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John Locke Wasn't A Free Marketeer (0.00 / 0)
From The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy on John Locke:

Economic Writings

Locke's writings on economic subjects do not rank in importance with his treatises on government. They deal with particular questions raised by the necessities of the political situation. No attempt had yet been made to isolate the fact of wealth and make it the subject of a special science. The direction of industry and commerce was held to be part of the statesman's duty; but, in the seventeenth century, it began to be carried out with less thoroughness than before; and at the same time new problems were opened up by the growth of the national life. The American colonies, the enterprise of the East India Company, the planting of Ireland, the commercial rivalry with Holland and with France, as well as questions regarding the rate of interest and the currency, occupied the attention of a crowd of writers in the second half of the century. Locke's own contributions were occasioned be the financial problems which faced the new government after the revolution. His reflections on the rate of interest show the growing disfavor with which appeals for state interference were beginning to be met. He points out the obstacles to trade that are caused when the rate of interest is fixed by law, and he argues in favor of freedom for what he calls, in words which suggest Adam Smith, "the natural interest of money." Money "turns the wheels of trade"; therefore its course should not be stopped. At the same time, he holds no general brief against the interference of the state in matters of commerce; nor is the language of the mercantilist foreign to him. Riches consist in plenty of gold and silver, for these command all the conveniences of life. Now, "in a country not furnished with mines, there are but two ways of growing rich, either conquest or commerce." For us commerce is the only way; and Locke condemns "the amazing politics of some late reigns" which had "let in other competitors with us for the sea." In the concluding portion of Some Considerations of the Consequences of the Lowering of Interest and Raising the Value of Money (1691), Locke laid stress on the importance of a uniform and stable measure of values; four years later, in his Further Considerations he defended his view against the proposals involving a depreciation of the standard, which William Lowndes, secretary of the treasury, had set forth in An Essay for the amendment of the silver coins (1695). [Emphasis added.]

You've got to stop listening to libertarians, especially when they try to sell you their histories of liberalism.  They lie like dogs.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Flawed (0.00 / 0)
So John Locke isn't an absolute anarchist.  So what?

He still has a natural rights based view of property rights and opposed arbitrary government intervention in property.  He would be far more anti-government than today's progressives.

Your revisionism is absurd.  You're onto something when you called Adam Smith a radical, but I think you've missed the point.  Liberals were the radicals.

Are you to suggest to me that liberalism was this ideology void of any economic agenda?


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Liberalism is based on reason (4.00 / 1)
To ignore all else we have learned regarding the flaws inherit in the free market (as already mentioned-- the rational actor being largely heading towards being disproven as an absolute) is to not be engaging in reason. It's engaging in faith. Arguments such as "but we haven't tried it in his perfect form" are also wrong. The reason they are wrong is there is no such thing as perfect form. No more than one can have a perfect anything. Or even near perfect. That's not the way life works in the real world. Arguing that as your last refugee means your argument is truly flawed. One of the chief principles of reason is the testing of ideas. If ideas fail, perfection conditions aren't an excuse to continue as if the idea isn't flawed. It's a sign that the  underlying assumptions must be questioned. The same was true of communism, and the same is true here. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism- no matter what form it takes. The true hallmark of modern reason is doubt.

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Rational Actors (0.00 / 0)
So individual actors are not rational, therefore undermining the idea of functioning free markets in health care.

But who are you to claim that they are not rational.  Just because they aren't behaving the way you think they should?


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Do you understand the term rational actor? (4.00 / 1)
"Rational actor" is a term of art in economics. It determines the set of predicted behaviors that undergirds the system you are supporting- the free market- based on expected behavior. It's not a term you can, as you are now trying to do, simply define as you want. No more than it is a term that I can define as I want. To do so, means it loses any useful meaning to the very economic system you are trying to defend. That you use that argument to me suggests you don't understand what the term means or the system you are defending. What I am referring to is actual research into whether the definition as used by economists works the way they describe, and as such, as an accurate predictor of behavior necessary for a free market to exist. If the definition fails on the free market economists terms- it fails, period, without regard to my belief. Indeed, it's not a matter of belief. That you think that is a matter of belief is very enlightening about the level of debate we are having, and, only serves to reinforce the point, that you are treating the free market like it is a religious rather than social science concept.

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No, I'm Afraid His Ignorance Pretty Profound (0.00 / 0)
Libertarian kool aid rots your brain.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Oh Please (0.00 / 0)
You're tiresome.

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Narrow Framework (0.00 / 0)
I am criticism the idea that people are rational only if they behave in the way that economists say they should.

As I was told in my economics courses (former Econ minor, switched to Anthropology), the only subjects that really tell us about the world are cultural anthropology and quantum physics.

I see the pattern though.  Paul can come in and criticize the "myth of the free market."  Applauds all around.  But I criticize the assumption that people are rational only if they care about profit, and I'm attacked as a know-nothing.

As you say: "What I am referring to is actual research into whether the definition as used by economists works the way they describe, and as such, as an accurate predictor of behavior necessary for a free market to exist."

Are people rational in the way that economists describe?  No, and I think it is arrogant of them to claim that the only "rational" actor is the one that follows their predictions.

But I disagree that a free market requires people to be "rational" in the way defined by economists.

To be honest, I find similar arrogance among some leftists who believe that the only "rational voters" are those who vote their economic interest and if they vote based on something else there's something the matter with them.


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Your ignorance (4.00 / 1)
about what I'm discussing isn't a sign of my arrogance. It's a sign you are, well, ignorant.  The free market as a concept is about economic thought. There is no way to diviorce the terms that undergird the free market as a concept from the economic concepts that define it. My point about the definition of "rational actor," by the way, isn't a left or right discussion. That you think it is is only further proof you are talking out of your idealogy rather than with any understanding of the terms you are using. I don't know of any economist, especially right leaning ones, who would accept your rather lose definiton of rational actor. THis will be my last post to you. A friend of mine, who is conservative by the way, recently gave me a good piece of advice about these discussions on line "if you wallow with pigs, you only get dirty." Meaning, arguing with you will only dumb me down because you aren't interested in discussing my point. by the way, if you really wanted to argue against my point, you would have went into whether there were any counter research regarding whether "rational actor" can still be reached within free market terms by economists. That would have been an interesting conversation because at least there is a dispute to be had regarding this issue. But what I did get here was a window into your psychology. You can't argue the merits of the issue- so you resort to the belief. That's good to know.

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Freedom means Freedom (0.00 / 0)
The free market as a concept is just that, a market that is free.  If you want to believe that a free market means a certain conceptualization of how the world ought to be based on economics, that's fine.  I disagree, and I fundamentally challenge your terms of debate.

Of course you're not going to find any right leaning economist that accepts my view of rational actors.  I'm radically left-wing.

You've become offensive and rude in this discussion.  I accept full blame for not communicating clearly, it is obvious you misunderstood my points.  But there was no need to turn to rude behavior on your part.


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P.S. (0.00 / 0)
Here's one way of looking at things, my attempt at trying again to explain myself to you.

Here's the latest issue of the Economist on the issue of civil liberties and the War on Terror.

http://www.economist...

When liberals put the case for civil liberties, they sometimes claim that obnoxious measures do not help the fight against terrorism anyway. The Economist is liberal but disagrees. We accept that letting secret policemen spy on citizens, detain them without trial and use torture to extract information makes it easier to foil terrorist plots. To eschew such tools is to fight terrorism with one hand tied behind your back. But that-with one hand tied behind their back-is precisely how democracies ought to fight terrorism.

I think you and I were talking past each other.  You keep trying to make an empirical argument against a concept of the free market that is fundamentally flawed because people don't act "rationally" as defined by economists.

I find it arrogant of economists to assume that "rationality" means "acting as economists say you should."

I fundamentally disagree with the notion that a "free market" is only a desirable goal if you agree with the assumptions of above mentioned economists.

I find it impossible to make an empirical argument against the economists' version of a "free market."  Just because people don't act the way they "should" according to economists doesn't mean the system would be doomed if they did act the way they "should."  And throwing around statistics from the real world doesn't work either, because the whole point already established is that people do not act as "rational actors" all the time.

I find it downright hypocritical that someone at a refreshingly radical Democratic website is critical of someone turning to "belief" on the issue of economics, when the whole point of the Democratic Party on so many issues is that some things are important on principle.  We don't torture because that doesn't live up to the ideals of the American people.  We're better than that.  That's a belief.

But I guess you're not into beliefs.


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I AM Into Beliefs (0.00 / 0)
I believe in unicorns.  I just don't believe in free markets.

As mitchipd says below:

I often write about the telecom industry and find myself using the term "healthy markets" for lack of a better one.  It's admittedly vague, but is my attempt to summarize a range of characteristics in one word, including elements of "fair," "free," "efficient" and taking into account "externalities" associated with market-based interactions, which are very significant in the communications, energy-related and healthcare industries, among others.

Now, I can accept "free" as an adjective, describing markets not overly subject to arbitrary manipulations or restrictions.  But equally important, all those other things mitchipd refers to are important as well.  And I just don't see why I should believe in throwing them overboard.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"Healthy" markets (0.00 / 0)
I often write about the telecom industry and find myself using the term "healthy markets" for lack of a better one.  It's admittedly vague, but is my attempt to summarize a range of characteristics in one word, including elements of "fair," "free," "efficient" and taking into account "externalities" associated with market-based interactions, which are very significant in the communications, energy-related and healthcare industries, among others.  It also provides an opportunity to explain the elements that make for "unhealthy" markets (which we've got a lot of today), and can help open minds and hearts to the fundamental conceptual and emotional meaning of "healthy" vs. "unhealthy," which applies very directly to environmental and healthcare issues, and also pretty well to the Internet, whose openness most of its users can intuitively appreciate as a healthy influence in their lives.  It also feeds into the concept of a "healthy democracy" and a "healthy society", which are fundamentally related to all of these economic sectors and issues. 

Admittedly, a fundamentalist right-winger would define "healthy" differently than I would.  But that's a discussion I'd welcome with some of them, at least up to a point.


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"What Makes A Healthy Market?"--Would Make A Wonderful Diary (0.00 / 0)
Do you have one place where you've elaborated this systematically?  If so, I think it would be very valuable to republish it here as a diary.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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