Tell Us Where You Stand

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 13:50


Demand a floor vote on the repeal of DOMA now.
Protect marriage equality in Maine

The Hill has a particularly irritating article today about Democratic moderates complaining that the leadership isn't doing enough to protect them from the voters. Specifically, these Democrats are worried they might actually have to take sides on things, and that would be bad:

Pelosi also helped Blue Dogs avoid a showdown with the powerful National Rifle Association by allowing a vote on a bill that would erase many of the District of Columbia's gun laws. And to the relief of some centrist Democrats, the Speaker has refused to have the House vote on immigration reform and a union-backed "card-check" bill until the Senate acts first.(...)

What irks them most is the sense that the Senate won't pass anything so strong, if it passes anything at all. So they expect to get beaten up for voting on a bill that will never become law.

"What bothers me is I was put in that position unnecessarily," said one vulnerable lawmaker.

Yes--it must be bothersome to have to take a position on an issue when you are a member of Congress. What an annoyance!

It should not make any difference whether a member of Congress is forced to vote on a bill or not, because that member of Congress should have a public statement detailing their position on that vote or potential vote. They should tell voters straight up that they support or oppose card-check, and if they support or oppose erasing most D.C. gun laws. From that point, voters can make an informed decision, and the candidates can be attacked or supported based on their stated positions.

Instead, these centrists are anonymously complaining that they are forced to take a public position on these issues. That is abdication of leadership, and a rejection of the basic idea that voters have a right to know who is representing them in Congress.

For progressive activists, this attempt by centrist Democrats to avoid taking positions is a straight up attempt to trick us. In 2007, six Senators who are all now Democrats--Tom Carper (DE), Blanche Lincoln (AR), Ben Nelson (NE), Mark Pryor (AR), Arlen Sepcter (PA), Jim Webb (VA)--voted in favor of an Employee Free Choice Act with card check, but flipped in 2009 once that legislation had a chance of passing. They told us they favored something they actually opposed, and raked in campaign contributions at least partly as a result of this. Mark Pryor received over $200K directly from labor during his 2008 re-election bid, for example.

It is difficult to see how this attempt to avoid taking a vote on legislation favored by progressives is anything other than conservative Democrats trying to trick progressive Democrats into handing over their money, time and votes. It is a game they think they can play with us, probably because they have successfully played it with us for some time now. We need to work to put an end to it.

Legislation recently introduced earlier this week to repeal the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act is one upcoming opportunity to put an end to these games. Even though this legislation was co-sponsored by 91 members of the House, from what I am told by sources on Capital Hill, the Democratic leadership wants to avoid a floor vote. Once again, the leadership is working to protect them both from progressive activists and from their own constituents.

Enough of this nonsense. If Democrats want help from us, then at the very least they need to tell us where they stand.  Representative Joe Sestak, whose campaign I support and work for, has put out a petition to Speaker Pelosi demanding a floor vote on the repeal of DOMA. Stop allowing the leadership to play games like these. Demand a floor vote on the repal of DOMA now.

Chris Bowers :: Tell Us Where You Stand

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Webb (0.00 / 0)
Webb invoked the name of Ronald Reagan in his announcement speech, he used Ronald Reagan in his advertising, it was willful stupidity to think that he would be anything other than a Reagan Republican.

I hope netroots will learn from this, not to see what they want to see, but objectively evaluate someone's record.

One reason I am not enthusiastic about primary challenges, especially against women, is that I think netroots will elect more Webbs.


Ok, it's a point. But would someone else to the left of Webb... (0.00 / 0)
..would have had a chance to win? Webb is a problematic ally, sure. But it depends on the legislation we're talking about. In some areas, he's totally in sink with other liberals. And I somehow think he's more honest than many other Senators. Dunno, maybe I'm misguided, but I like him more than Landrieu, Nelson, Baucus, or that weathervane Spector.

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Hmm, "in sink", hmm... (0.00 / 0)
..sometimes my translation mistakes and my latent dyslexia really produce funny puns...

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Yes, Jim Webb, Reagan Republican (4.00 / 2)
He's so conservative.

In Congress, Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., wants to form a commission to investigate the drug war.

"It's like turning around an ocean. It takes a long time to get the ship moving in a different direction," he said.

And reactionary.

Citing a study indicating that 82% of those sentenced to state prisons were convicted of non-violent crimes, Kristof asks why the U.S. incarcerates people at nearly five times the world average.

U.S. Senator Jim Webb, in introducing a bill to establish a commission to study the situation, says "There are only two possibilities here. Either we have the most evil people on earth living in the United States, or we are doing something dramatically wrong in terms of how we approach the issue of criminal justice."

He also opposed the Iraq War.  Maybe you should objectively evaluate someone's record.


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opposed the Iraq war before the war (0.00 / 0)
and has consistently voted to keep it going since getting in the Senate.

remember the commission he was going to sponsor to investigate war profiteering? Remember how that went nowhere? Look for he same result in investigating the war on some of the people who do drugs.


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Ineffective does not equal Republican (4.00 / 1)
My point is that Webb's policy positions are the opposite of what you're accusing him of.  The fact that they are likely going nowhere does nothing to refute my point.

Regarding Iraq, opposing the war and then funding it, although falling far short of your ideal legislator, is light-years beyond what a Reagan Republican would have done.

You accused "the netroots" of not objectively evaluating someone's record, and then supported your point with nothing paraphrases of campaign quotes, taken out of context.  Do you not see the contradiction there?


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Peru Free Trade agreement (0.00 / 0)
and then there was his classic vote in favor of the Peru Free Trade Agreement having campaigned on a platform about doing something about off shoring American jobs.

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special education (0.00 / 0)
and then there was Webb's classic Reaganaut vote to preserve tax cuts for the rich rather than fund special education.

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I'm not familiar with those bills (0.00 / 0)
So I'll cede them to you.  But even then, it's a mixed record, not the record of a right-wing ideologue.  

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re: commission (0.00 / 0)
remember the commission he was going to sponsor to investigate war profiteering?

let me guess. was that said close to an election?


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on doma: in order to achieve the result we want (marriage equality) (0.00 / 0)
is it wise (for vote-whipping reasons) to try to repeal something called 'the Defense of Marriage act'? can't we change its immoral definition of marriage and leave the name alone?

like gray said (0.00 / 0)
why can't the 'defense of marriage' defend lgbt marriages too?

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Yup, TBH, I really think you're on to something. (0.00 / 0)
We have to be aware about how bills look to the uninformed public, too. And simply scrapping something called "defense of marriage act" wouldn't look good. And rethugs would love to rant about that "attack on marriage"! Expanding it sure is the better idea. Include lgbt marriages with an ammendment, and that's it.

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once again you explain what I want to say better than I do (0.00 / 0)
seems your school did something right afterall!

:-)


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those comments were depressing (0.00 / 0)
at The Hill link. sigh. i hope those are mostly ignorant children and not influential adult people making them. "the DemoRats have turned this country so far to the left," etc. one wonders about the ignorance in subjects like history and philosophy that a grown person could write those words. anyway.

what's the adage? given a choice between a republican-lite and a republican, voters will choose the republican. because at least they stand for something. people who stand for nothing inspire exactly no motivation in voters on the left. and even in the center. that's the key fact "centrist" DINOs forget. even low information 'swing voters' prefer strong, decisive positions, even if they disagree with some of them. "i don't know" and "waaahhh! don't make me pick!" are spelled "loser" at the ballot box.  


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