Fallacies, Heuristics and Identity Politics

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:00


Last weekend I wrote a diary , "Why Obama Lies About Race", which sought to provide a context for Obama's denial of the racism that Jimmy Carter had heroically spoken out about. I'll be writing a followup later this weekend.  But before doing that, I want to address the issue of fallacious reasoning which appeared to influence a number of the critical responses, particularly those from one self-identified black commentator. illlaw , whose argument was deeply rooted in the genetic fallacy.  As I'll explain in this diary, most, if not all fallacies can be thought of as stemming from intellectual laziness, most commonly from employing a valid heuristic--a rule-of-thumb or first approximation--as an iron-clad rule,.and not checking to see if the rule of thumb is valid in this particular case.  (Of course, they can also result from deliberate deception.  But the deception works because there are more innocent reasons that we are susceptible.) In this diary, I want to do 4 things: (1) give some examples fleshing out this characterization, (2) show how it applies to the genetic fallacy, (3) show how the valid heuristic vs. the genetic fallacy apply generally to issues involving identity politics, and (4) show they apply to this particular case.  The fallacious reasoning here was not nearly as overwhelming and unvarnished as I have seen it many times before.  Nor was it laced with invective.  But in a sense that makes it all the more opportune an occasion to get a handle on what's going on here.

First, let's take a few of the best-known fallacies and show how my characterization applies.  Let's begin with the so-called "rooster fallacy," also known as post hoc, ergo proctor hoc (after the thing, therefore because of the thing.)  It's called the rooster fallacy because one can imagine a rooster engaging in it: the rooster crows, the Sun rises, the rooster takes credit for the new day.  There's an obvious valid heuristic here: in our universe, causes generally precede effects,.and quite often noticeably so.  So it you want to know what caused something, start by looking at what happened just before it.  That's a valid heuristic.  But, of course, one thing can precede another very regularly without being the cause of what follows.  They can both have a common cause, but one result can show up before the other.  That's why it's only a valid heuristic, and why it's a fallacy to simply assume that the causal relationship is simply established by order.  

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Two other common fallacies are also a result of laziness, but in a somewhat more subtle way.  These are the closely-related red herring and strawman fallacies.  The red herring refers to an irrelevant and misleading argument that distracts from actual argument at hand.  The strawman refers to a mischaracterization of the actual argument at hand.  In their innocent forms, both these fallacies derive from the valid heuristic of modeling an argument you trying to understand.

The valid use of this argument modeling goes something like this:  "Okay, let me see if I've got this right.  The argument here is A, B and C, therefore D.  Is that right?"  In the red-herring fallacy, some irrelevant model is seized on, and not checked, but simply assumed to be pertinent to the discussion.  It more often refers to a general topic of discussion.  In the straw-man fallacy , the model is assumed to describe the particular argument that one participant has advanced.

Now consider the genetic fallacy.  The basic heuristic is fine: "consider the source."  Generally speaking one tries to know a reliable source when seeking out information, and one tries to avoid unreliable sources.  This a perfectly natural rule of thumb.  But if one simply assumes that something is true or false because of the source of the information, without bothering to check, then that is a fallacious assumption-the genetic fallacy.  Of course, many times it may not really be necessary to check.  You don't really need to go to France after every class with your high school French teacher, just to verify the accuracy of the lesson.  But that standard involved here is not that of a logical argument, and it doesn't really have to be.

The genetic fallacy and its underlying heuristic are both applicable to identity politics. There really is no substitute for first-hand knowledge, so it's heuristically valid to say that no person outside of a given group is likely to understand that group the way that insiders do.  But obviously this isn't strictly true.  Neophyte group members may know far less than long-time outside students of a group.  Moreover, we depend on the fact that we can communicate across groups boundaries, however imperfect much of that communication may be.  We know that a great artist is defined in part precisely by their ability to cross those boundaries.  Reading James Baldwin, Langston Hughes and Toni Morrison isn't going to make you black, but it is going to give you some understanding.  The more one exposed oneself to people outside one's own group, the better chance one has of making valid observations that group members will confirm as such. Furthermore, one can be a member of two or more groups.  Members of the same profession may share a good deal in common, despite coming from different groups.  Cross-cultural artistic exchange is a universal testament to this.

Of course, there's another factor to be considered, and that's the issue of relative group power.  Members of a subordinate group are always justly suspicious of members of a dominant group because problems of understanding don't just come from lack of experience, but from histories of exploitation and privilege-and these histories are commonly not even very well known by members of the dominant group.  That lack of knowledge is one of the forms that privilege takes.  Members of subordinate groups cannot generally afford the luxury of such ignorance.

With all that said, we're now ready to look at the example from last weekend's diary discussion.

illlaw took the position that I was a white person talking about what Obama needed to do about race, and that made what I said automatically illegitimate-which is even worse than simply being wrong:

Here's an example:

You are really showing your privilege. I love white people telling me about race issues and how they should be addressed.

And another:

I missed the rest of your post under the

cut and I'll just say as a black person I find it offensive and really shows your white privilege.
Obama isn't lying about anything. He acknowledges the existence of racism, racists, and the effects of racism on our country and us black folks.


(Of course I was writing about a specific incident in which Obama did deny the very prominent role that racism is playing in the attacks on him and his agenda, including health care reform, which Jimmy Carter had courageously highlighted.   The fact that Obama has acknowledged racism when forced to talk about it against his will is entirely beside the point of the argument I'm making in the diary, although I am trying to elucidate the framework in which he operates, and would have welcomed a thoughtful, incident-specific discussion from Illlaw, or anyone else.)

And another:

I should boil this down

A white person telling a black person what he should to do fix/change/end white racism is a very confused person with a lot of privilege issues.
A white person who feels the need to tell anyone to do anything about racism should tell white people to stop being racist.
It's actually that simple.  

To which I responded:
blockquote>Form Over Content

A white person telling a black person what he should to do fix/change/end white racism is a very confused person with a lot of privilege issues.

Always a potential problem that needs to be considered after the substantive issues raised have been addressed. Otherwise it's simply an example of the genetic fallacy.
(2)
A white person who feels the need to tell anyone to do anything about racism should tell white people to stop being racist.

Which I have done repeatedly, and will continue doing repeatedly in the future.  And I catch a lot of shit for it, too.
All I'm asking for here is that my President stop working for the other team.  By denying the existence and the role of such racism, he is playing for the other team.
It's actually that simple.  

Now, I want to be clear.  There are fragmentary attempts to deal with issues I've raised.  But none of them are carried out with any rigor before the genetic fallacy rears its head and puts an end to them.  Note what I said in my response above.When illlaw wrote:

A white person telling a black person what he should to do fix/change/end white racism is a very confused person with a lot of privilege issues.

I responded:

Always a potential problem that needs to be considered after the substantive issues raised have been addressed. Otherwise it's simply an example of the genetic fallacy.

And that's the key point here.  We can't and shouldn't  ignore the possibility that someone's identity is influencing their argument to the extent that the argument is invalid--even disingenuous.  But we have to actually examine that argument first, in order to know if that possibility has been realized.  And this is what illlaw failed to do.


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Damn fine analysis. (0.00 / 0)
I wish I could use terms like this when I try to explain to my parents why right wing arguments just don't make sense. "Well other people have different opinionsss..."  

Agitate.Liberate.Create.

Thanks for your explanation (0.00 / 0)
I appreciate your explanation, Paul, as I had no idea what the genetic fallacy was.

I didn't read illaw's comments as making, strictly speaking, that particular argument-i.e., no person outside of a given group is likely to understand that group the way that insiders do. I read it as saying, whether or not a person outside of a given group understands that group the way the insiders do, outsiders might for other reasons best avoid offering prescriptive advice. Those other reasons, right or wrong,  might be, among others, that (1) such advice, directed to a member of the subordinate group, shifts the burden from the perpetrator to the victim and that (2) the solution for a problem might be found first and foremost closest to the cause (e.g., "fix problems caused by you before telling us what we should do"). The understanding of the outsider, even if inarguably greater than that of the inside group, may be irrelevant (depending on what's understood) in light of those reasons.

That said, as I commented last week, I didn't read your comments as telling President Obama (or anyone) "what he should do." I read them as saying "Here are what I see are some likely effects of Obama's recent comments re racism." They were prescriptive only to the extent that a description of the effects of some actions might unavoidably lead to the conclusion that something other than those actions would be advisable (e.g., "Pressing that button sets off the thermonuclear device..." may reasonably lead to the inference of, um, "Don't press that button.").

And, as I said before, I think illaw is right to an extent: Obama doesn't "need to" do anything, in the sense of fixing a problem caused by him-the responsibility for ending white racism rests elsewhere. But his actions can and do shape the environment in more favorable ways or less. And non-action, in terms of reinforcing the status quo, arguably, is action, so Obama unavoidably shapes the environment, even if he doesn't act. So your analysis last week of the effects of Obama's actions struck me as quite legitimate.


Well, No (0.00 / 0)
I actually tried to say several times that there were legitimate concerns.  But illlaw was not into discussing them.  Instead, it was denounce, denounce, denounce.  And this is why it reduced to an example of the genetic fallacy.

And, as I said before, I think illaw is right to an extent: Obama doesn't "need to" do anything, in the sense of fixing a problem caused by him-the responsibility for ending white racism rests elsewhere.

But, of course, this completely mis-states the situation.  Obama didn't just refuse to get involved, and I wasn't saying he should have gotten involved.  He was already involved by giving cover to the racists, and I was criticizing him for doing that.

In addition, of course, the President is President of all Americans, not just black Americans.  So he's fair game for criticism as an officeholder, regardless of what race he is.  This is not the case for private citizens, but it most certainly is for public servants.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Types of Knowledge (4.00 / 2)
There really is no substitute for first-hand knowledge, so it's heuristically valid to say that no person outside of a given group is likely to understand that group the way that insiders do.  But obviously this isn't strictly true.

I think this is even less true than you suggest.  It depend upon the type of knowledge we are discussing.  

When it comes to experience, I think it is very difficult to replace first-hand knowledge.  I can imagine what it is like to be black in America, but my imagination can only go so far.

But sometimes insiders have a harder time seeing the big picture, missing the proverbial forest for the trees.  It is possible to be too close.  Understanding a group from the inside is, in some ways, just another perspective.  Perfect understanding comes from understanding all sides, something we can only approximate.

The solution, of course, is dialog, criticism and critique.  Illaw would learn a lot from listening more carefully to what you say.  On the other hand, while you do a good job debunking his criticisms, the fact he felt that way is actually pretty important.  You never did take his ultimate point, that you were blaming the victim, very seriously.


A Good Point, But... (0.00 / 0)
Taking anthropology as a good model, the only way that one gets outsider knowledge--which does indeed provide a valuable perspective--is by first absorbing insider knowledge.  So in that sense, at least, even critical theoretic knowledge bears an irreplaceable debt to inside group members.  We forget that at our peril.

As to your second point, I didn't take his "blaming the victim" argument very seriously for a couple of reasons:

(1) First and foremost, I wasn't saying that it was Obama's responsibility as a black man to solve America's racial problems.  

(2) All I said was that as President Obama should not be giving cover to racists.  While I understand that this is sometimes difficult for for blacks, it's part of the President's job to defend equal justice for all.  The very least he could have done was to not attack Carter.  The minimal decent thing would have been to say that Carter had a point, but that saying more about it would be a distraction for him.  

(3) Obama is not President of black America.  He is President of all America, and as such he is not to be judged like a private black citizen, he is to be judged as a public servant--the most powerful public servant in the land. Asking that a President not give cover to racists is in no way "blaming the victim."  To claim that it is is to make special claims for Obama based on race, which is hardly the post-racial thing to do, now is it?

But none of this could get past illlaw's race-based construct that made all my arguments illegitimate based on the genetic fallacy.

I should point out that civil rights leaders and footsoldies alike have never made the kind of argument that illlaw is making.  They have argued that whites have an obligation to fight racism in their own communities, and this is entirely correct.  But they have never used this fact to shirk their own calling to fight for racial justice.

Illlaw's argument is a perversion of a very sound and sensible principle, that whites are responsible for their own racism, which not justifies Obama giving cover to racists, it justifies Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell and every other such toady.

So, no.  I don't take that argument very seriously.  And I don't see one good reason why I should.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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More thoughts (4.00 / 2)
Taking anthropology as a good model, the only way that one gets outsider knowledge--which does indeed provide a valuable perspective--is by first absorbing insider knowledge.  So in that sense, at least, even critical theoretic knowledge bears an irreplaceable debt to inside group members.  We forget that at our peril.

Absolutely.  My point is this also goes the other way.  An insider can't really understand everything until he or she attempts to get an outsider perspective.  For example, someone living in a culture lacks much of the understanding an anthropologist studying that culture has.

Or looked at another way, an "outsider" is just an insider from a different group.  When the issue is how different groups interact you need insider knowledge from both sides of the interface.  This is obvious when one is completely on the outside, such as when you or I look at the Israeli, Palestinian conflict, but much harder when one is intimately involved.

All I said was that as President Obama should not be giving cover to racists.

Absolutely.  A co-dependent shouldn't give cover to an alcoholic.  An abused wife shouldn't defend her husband.  Successful black men shouldn't give cover to racists.  I agree completely.  Though I can't say for certain, I suspect illlaw agrees in abstract.

But once you acknowledge that, there are different directions you can take the discussion.  You could have, for instance, pointed out how bad it is that society requires the successful black man to act that way in order to get and maintain his success.  Or, you can blame the black man himself.  I took a minor exception with your blaming and illlaw rejected that outlook completely.

Where my disagreement come in, is you act as if there is no price to pay for what you suggest Obama do.  I disagree.  What you wrote as a suggestion might have gone perfectly, or not.  It certainly sounded reasonable to me, but I'm not a super-sensitive white guy who needs Obama to avoid talking about race to make me feel good about myself.  Personally, I would have liked Obama to respond with "duh!", but I don't think that would have worked out too well.

More importantly, what we are talking about is a life-long habit.  What you are really asking for is a change in habit (and/or calculation) to something less safe.  But there is an error bar, a standard deviation to all such rhetoric.  Even if one finds the perfect balance, the less safe the rhetoric, the more likely a mistake is made.  There are real reasons people like Obama develop the habits they do.


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I Appreciate Your Thoughtfulness (4.00 / 1)
But here's where our perspectives may diverge.  I simply think that when you enter the big leagues, you have to be held to big league rules.

I'm well aware of the sorts of requirements that black professionals face, I've read and reviewed books about it, and paid a good deal of attention in other ways as well.  but Obama's lived that life for decades now, and he's gone all the way to the top, so excuse me if I think he no longer gets a pass on the matter.

He's not just some black dude with an advanced degree.  And I think it's demeaning of the office of the Presidency and of what Obama has accomplished to treat him as such.  He's earned the right to be held to a much higher standard.  Sure, most of our Presidents fail miserably.  But that should tell us something very important.  These are not guys you should even think of having a beer with.  You should think of whether the Republic will survive or fall.

High standards come with the territory.  No one forced Obama to run for the job.

p.s.  To get quite specific:

More importantly, what we are talking about is a life-long habit.  What you are really asking for is a change in habit (and/or calculation) to something less safe.  But there is an error bar, a standard deviation to all such rhetoric.  Even if one finds the perfect balance, the less safe the rhetoric, the more likely a mistake is made.  There are real reasons people like Obama develop the habits they do.

This is why God invented the press statement.  Obama didn't have to ever say anything. He could simply have issued a statement giving Carter an "attaboy" for his long service and courage, but saying that any further Presidential comment would distract from the immediate responsibilities of governing.

Of course the right would throw a hissy fit.  It's what they do.  But there is simply no way for Democrats to successfully govern without taking on and dismantling the GOP/conservative hissy fit machine--as I'll discuss further in a diary tomorrow.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Go With What Got You There (0.00 / 0)
But here's where our perspectives may diverge.  I simply think that when you enter the big leagues, you have to be held to big league rules.

But it needs to be pointed out that one of the reasons Obama was able to become president was his ability to master this exact issue -- not from the point of view of what he should do, but from the point of view of what works for him personally.

But then we always diverge on standards.  Once I learned to mentally replace "acceptable" with "perfect" while reading your posts, I found myself agreeing with most everything.


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Hmmm (0.00 / 0)
A little self-psychologizing aside here: Perhaps if I'd married my childhood sweetheart we might see things more similarly.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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identity politics (4.00 / 1)
Paul,

The problem with identity politics is that it sometimes serves as an ideological and racial blinder. In this instance we have a perfectly reasonable brotha agreeing with his (Black) President against the African American community's interests.  The unspoken colorblind racism validation wasn't even acknowledged.  The Bonilla-Silva references were absolutely brilliant and on point. President Carter is sho' nuff right and the point that somebody made, probably you, that concluded that whitefolks were not ready to discuss the sophistication and contradictions of contemporary racism is also true.

I love reading you, Paul.  You are just so damn thought provoking.  It is a damn shame that some of us can't see you for what you are: an articulate and gifted anti-racist crusader. We should be embracing you, not criticising you. Obama is another matter entirely.  His iconic status in the African American community renders any criticism of the president unpopular. Unfortuanately,it will always be this way.  

"The Harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved."

--Jeremiah 8:20


Thanks (4.00 / 1)
And, indeed, I think it's particularly important for white progressives to speak out on this, precisely because it's so hard for members of the black community to do so.

Of course I know this is difficult for all concerned.  But who ever said the struggle for freedom and justice would be easy?

It's only easy compared to what those who came before us face.  Now it's our turn to make it easier for those who will follow.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Thinking this over (4.00 / 1)
what bugs me still is that Obama didn't have to say anything.

Illaw was right, it is the job of white people to confront white racism and that is exactly what Carter did. All Obama had to do was keep his mouth shut and let the criticism stand, remain "above the fray." But he couldn't do it, he seems to have a compulsion for sacrificing his friends to please his enemies.

Montani semper liberi


MIA: The Wisdom Of Silence (0.00 / 0)
I really do wish he had acknowledged Carter.  But just zipping it would have been far better than siding with the likes of Glenn Beck, which is in effect what he did.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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"keep his mouth shut" (0.00 / 0)

Well, it might have been more difficult to do, as Obama was asked about the issue directly by CNN's Jon King:

KING: It's a tough business, as you know. But in recent weeks, people have raised some pretty serious questions, the big rally in town, signs talking about Afro-socialism (ph), swastikas with your name and your picture on them, "you lie" shouted at you during a nationally televised addressed, and former President Carter says he sees racism in some of this. Do you?

OBAMA: You know, as I've said in the past, you know, are there people out there who don't like me because of race? I'm sure there are. That's not the overriding issue here...

The "Do you?" is, more or less, the direct question of "Do you see racism in some of this, as former President Carter does?" In that context, it might have been difficult to say nothing.




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In that case (4.00 / 1)
the correct answer is as follows:

"Jimmy Carter is an great man with a long and honorable record of service to our country. I am proud to call him my friend."

This is not hard. It's not even 1 dimensional chess.

Montani semper liberi


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Being Pro-Active (4.00 / 1)
As I've indicated, the best way to handle this, if avoiding getting drawn in was a main concern, was to issue a statement.

Then all questions can be answered by referring back to it.

Done properly, the tight-rope act isn't actually as hard as it's made out to be.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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