Hissy Fits In Historical Context--Health Care, Racism & The Authoritarian Divide-Part 2

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 16:00


In Part One, (Health Care, Racism & The Authoritarian Divide-Part 1) I  closed with this striking chart showing the correlation of support for corporal punishment of children and votes for Bush in the 2004 election:

I think its particularly striking, given that polarization in Congress-as measured on the DW-Nominate scale, is at an all-time high on dimension 1, which is basically a measure of economic attitudes, while dimension 2-which measures socio-culture attitudes, primarily race-has virtually disappeared .  These two facts are strikingly at odds with one another, unless one takes the deeper perspective that the underlying reality is that of economic class dominance, a reflection of how hierarchical societies are organized according to social dominance theory.  The language of political discourse-and indeed the more general language of political theatre--has become skillfully split off from this underlying reality, and now revolves the two worldviews discussed by the authors, but the "cash value" of that language, as William James would put, remains that of cash value.

This is nothing new. Conservatives have always claimed an interest in preserving tradition and social order, but the underlying interest has always turned out to be an interest in preserving traditional power relations, and the social order defined by them.  Traditions that strengthen the lower orders, or support critical questioning of the existing order are not just ignored by conservatives-they are often openly attacked.  And this is what is happening today.

But now we are seeing a rather complex struggle play out.  The authoritarian worldview that has gained ground under the Republican banner since the time of Richard Nixon-throughout the entire Sixth Party System (1986-2008)-is strikingly ill-suited to run a modern economy, which needs a high degree of innovation and flexibility, even aside from the growing diversity of America's population.  The multi-faceted policy failures of the Bush II years are not, therefore, merely accidental.  They are reflective of deep-seated limitations of authoritarianism, which can only be masked by maintaining a state of war or else mass psychological state of near war that has the situational effect of moving the entire citizenry into a much more authoritarian state of mind, which makes them much more susceptible to authoritarian arguments, imagery and psychological appeals, and impairs their capacity for critical judgment and organizing opposition.

Since the election of Barack Obama, we have seen-exactly as some bloggers predicted-a resurgence of the sort of virulent opposition faced by Bill Clinton during the 1990s.  Only now the policy veneer-never very strong or deep to begin with-has vanished almost entirely.  When Jimmy Carter dared state the obvious-that race was playing a part in this-Obama quickly denied it, but evidence  in support of Carter is overwhelming, particularly once we recognize that racism is but one aspect of social dominance, a key component of authoritarianism.  (Racism is also amplified by other aspects of authoritarianism as well.)  While Obama expresses the hope of putting the "culture wars" behind us, the GOP ascendancy since 1968 is founded on little else, and thus cannot be gotten rid of without being decisively defeated.

Paul Rosenberg :: Hissy Fits In Historical Context--Health Care, Racism & The Authoritarian Divide-Part 2
The need for this has been played out in miniature recently, best captured by Digby in a recent post referencing her elevation of the term "hissy fit," the original of what I referred to in my earlier diary.  In the recent post, Digby wrote:

The Politico has written a somewhat unenlightening article about Alan Grayson's floor speech, but I can't help but be a little bit tickled by a quote of his, which is also used in the headline of the piece. He said:
    "We cannot run this institution on the basis of Republican hissy fits.

The title is "The pros and cons of hissy fits."

In her original, Digby referenced an online article, "The Practice of Ritual Defamation", which gives a very good specific description of the process, which clearly delineates its anti-rational authoritarian character.

The author first describes the term generally, which is nice, but the real power comes from the elaboration that follows.  Here is the general description first:

Defamation is the destruction or attempted destruction of the reputation, status, character or standing in the community of a person or group of persons by unfair, wrongful, or malicious speech or publication. For the purposes of this essay, the central element is defamation in retaliation for the real or imagined attitudes, opinions or beliefs of the victim, with the intention of silencing or neutralizing his or her influence, and/or making an example of them so as to discourage similar independence and "insensitivity" or non-observance of taboos. It is different in nature and degree from simple criticism or disagreement in that it is aggressive, organized and skillfully applied, often by an organization or representative of a special interest group, and in that it consists of several characteristic elements.

   Ritual Defamation is not ritualistic because it follows any prescribed religious or mystical doctrine, nor is it embraced in any particular document or scripture. Rather, it is ritualistic because it follows a predictable, stereotyped pattern which embraces a number of elements, as in a ritual.

Next comes the description of the elements, which is where the article packs its real punch.  While the author states after the list that:

   An interesting aspect of ritual defamation as a practice is its universality. It is not specific to any value, opinion or belief or to any group or subculture. It may be used for or against any political, ethnic, national or religious group.

This is only technically true.  Low status outgroups simply lack the social power to pull this off-though some might try, particularly as a means of mainstreaming themselves (White supremacists attacking civil rights leaders as "racists," for example. No, wait, bad example, that. Or maybe not.  It shows what any powerless outgroup might aspire to.)   I'll have more to say about this below.  For now, just consider this version of the social dominance orientation (SDO) scale, and consider the fit between SDO and the likelihood of engaging in ritual defamation as detailed below (contra-trait items are 9-16):

  1. Some groups of people are simply inferior to other groups.
  2. In getting what you want, it is sometimes necessary to use force against other groups.
  3. It's OK if some groups have more of a chance in life than others.
  4. To get ahead in life, it is sometimes necessary to step on other groups.
  5. If certain groups stayed in their place, we would have fewer problems.
  6. It's probably a good thing that certain groups are at the top and other groups are at the bottom.
  7. Inferior groups should stay in their place.
  8. Sometimes other groups must be kept in their place.
  9. It would be good if groups could be equal.
 10. Group equality should be our ideal.
 11. All groups should be given an equal chance in life.
 12. We should do what we can to equalize conditions for different groups.
 13. Increased social equality.
 14. We would have fewer problems if we treated people more equally.
 15. We should strive to make incomes as equal as possible.
 16. No group should dominate in society.

Who are the discriminated against groups in society? The evidence from around the world is overwhelming: women, minorities, GLBTs--the core Democratic constituencies.  It's no accident.

And now, the elements.  All but one of the eight are worth noting for our purposes:

1. In a ritual defamation the victim must have violated a particular taboo in some way, usually by expressing or identifying with a forbidden attitude, opinion or belief. It is not necessary that he "do" anything about it or undertake any particular course of action, only that he engage in some form of communication or expression.

In the GOP/conservative movement version, there's actually no such requirement.  They can make up taboos on the spot, such as when John Edwards said something inconsequential about Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter during the 2004 VP debate.

2. The method of attack in a ritual defamation is to assail the character of the victim, and never to offer more than a perfunctory challenge to the particular attitudes, opinions or beliefs expressed or implied. Character assassination is its primary tool.

There's actually a bit of a false dichotomy here.  Character assassination consists in part of damning the "particular attitudes, opinions or beliefs expressed or implied"-particularly by attributing implications that bear no relation to what the attacked individual said.

3. An important rule in ritual defamation is to avoid engaging in any kind of debate over the truthfulness or reasonableness of what has been expressed, only condemn it. To debate opens the issue up for examination and discussion of its merits, and to consider the evidence that may support it, which is just what the ritual defamer is trying to avoid. The primary goal of a ritual defamation is censorship and repression.

This is 100% spot on, and gets to the very heart of the matter. This is what rightwing "political discourse" is all about.  Others may engage in it from time to time, but it constitutes the very core of rightwing discourse.  How do they talk about climate change?  By attacking climate scientists.  How do they talk about evolution?  By attacking "secular humanists" as a Satanic anti-Christian religion. Etc.

5. An attempt, often successful, is made to involve others in the defamation. In the case of a public official, other public officials will be urged to denounce the offender. In the case of a student, other students will be called upon, and so on.

Thus the demands that blacks attack any black who steps out of line, that "all Jews" attack any "self-hating Jew" who steps out of line, that Democrats condemn any Democrat or Democratic ally who steps out of line, etc.  How often does this work the other way?  Crickets?

6. In order for a ritual defamation to be effective, the victim must be dehumanized to the extent that he becomes identical with the offending attitude, opinion or belief, and in a manner which distorts it to the point where it appears at its most extreme. For example, a victim who is defamed as a "subversive" will be identified with the worst images of subversion, such as espionage, terrorism or treason. A victim defamed as a "pervert" will be identified with the worst images of perversion, including child molestation and rape. A victim defamed as a "racist" or "anti-Semitic" will be identified with the worst images of racism or anti-Semitism, such as lynchings or gas chambers.

The second half of this is perhaps the weakest part of the article.  In reality, charges of "racism" (more often) or "anti-semitism" (depending more on the context) are often dismissed precisely by denying the most extreme images.  Given that most individual, attitudinal  racism today is "colorblind racism" that looks nothing like the images of racism past, it's quite easy to counter-attack in this way, a fact that has the effect of inhibiting charges of racism.

7. Also to be successful, a ritual defamation must bring pressure and humiliation on the victim from every quarter, including family and friends. If the victim has school children, they may be taunted and ridiculed as a consequence of adverse publicity. If they are employed, they may be fired from their job. If the victim belongs to clubs or associations, other members may be urged to expel them.

Who can forget how the rightwing went after Chelsea Clinton?  Who can doubt that Sasha and Malia will be in for the same in the near future, if business as usual is allowed to continue?

8. Any explanation the victim may offer, including the claim of being misunderstood, is considered irrelevant. To claim truth as a defense for a politically incorrect value, opinion or belief is interpreted as defiance and only compounds the problem. Ritual defamation is often not necessarily an issue of being wrong or incorrect but rather of "insensitivity" and failing to observe social taboos.

Again, it must be stressed that the social taboos can be defined on the sport, and dropped just as swiftly.

Let's return again to the author's claim of universality:

An interesting aspect of ritual defamation as a practice is its universality. It is not specific to any value, opinion or belief or to any group or subculture. It may be used for or against any political, ethnic, national or religious group. It may, for example, by anti-Semites against Jews, or by Jews against anti-Semites; by rightists against leftists or by leftists against rightists, and so on.

While this may be technically true, it seems highly misleading.  In addition to the with obvious fit between SDO and ritual defamation, which should be obvious from the above, there is also an obvious  natural fit between relatively high-status groups (who have been shown to have higher levels of SDO) and the practice of ritual defamation.  Put simply, stigmatized outgroups in any society might very well want to practice ritual defamation, but clearly would lack the capacity to pull it off. On the other hand, high-status groups can pull it off quite easily.  A mere snap of the fingers might be all it would take in some situations.  Moreover, given that social dominance orientation (SDO) is generally correlated with social status, members of high-status groups are generally more likely to want to engage in ritual defamation, and more inclined to feel right in doing so.  In addition, once the process is initiated, high RWAs (rigthtwing authoritarians) are the most obvious recruiting pool for supporters to join in the process.  Again, this would tend to favor high-status groups over low-status ones, since high-RWAs tend to follow the lead of perceived established authorities.

In short, while it may well be true that ritual defamation is a universal practice, it is far from being equally commonplace among all groups.  Indeed, it is profoundly congruent with the basic political orientation of cultural resentment on which the Republican ascendancy of the Sixth Party System was built.  This is also, of course, the source of the culture wars.  They won't go away just by wishing, any more than racism will.  Even if the one who's wishing is President Obama.

Authoritarianism has to be confronted. No ifs ands or butts.  Equivocation is surrender in their eyes. They need to be soundly beaten before there is any hope of creating the preconditions for civil civic discourse.


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"They need to be soundly beaten before there is any hope of creating the preconditions for civil civic discourse." (4.00 / 1)
That's what the 2008 election was.  Sarah Palin was as authoritarian a candidate as any in recent memory.

If you mean thoroughly repudiated in society as well as electorally, I'm afraid that's not going to happen until the vast majority who have any say realise what stephen colbert has - that the far right fringe is actually dangerous and destructive as a political force, not just  a bunch of people who are wrong.

the problem is that you can't eliminate authoritarianism by using authoritarian modes of engagement with other people but need to connect with their hearts AND minds.  in my opinion, that means a) a lot of hard work on the microlevel b) a massive tragedy that directly cuts to the hearts of the people who are currently sitting on the sideline and tolerating giving a public forum to people like glenn beck without acknowledging that, like "jesus and hitler", he "can look you in the eye and tell you that [he has] an answer for you."  

The hard work on the microlevel should be able to build to putting into  solutions on a structural level like eliminating state funding for institutions that promote racism, classism, sexism, homophobia, diability bias, etc. and supporting the institutions that do the opposite, hopefully overhauling the state itself at the end.

but for now, because we are starting at a nadir, the style in which we communicate is very important - civil discourse as a STYLE is an end in itself in this context.  Not civil in the sense of an open debate of ideas in an oppositional framework, but in the sense of respecting each other's humanity on a very literal level.  without that basic prerequisite, we can't really win because cycles of dehumanisation rely on the oppressed to participate-- otherwise there would be a revolution.


Winning Elections Is Necessary, But Not Sufficient (4.00 / 2)
the problem is that you can't eliminate authoritarianism by using authoritarian modes of engagement with other people but need to connect with their hearts AND minds.  

You can't eliminate authoritarianism, period.  What you can do is dramatically reduce it's collective social power via a number of different means.

Authoritarians don't care about no stinkin' elections.  That's one reason why it was a huge mistake to forego any sort of legal accountability for the multiple crime sprees.  The formal moral condemnation of society would have gone a long ways toward putting them in their places, and allowing for a more responsible opposition to emerge.

I must stress once again, as I always must, that this needn't have taken much of anything from Obama, other than simply allowing the rule of law to return to normal functioning.  A special prosecutor such as Patrick Fitzgerald could have been selected to run things, so that the Obama Administration itself had minimal involvement.

A second necessary measure would have been the reintroduction of formal objective review processes, exemplified by the re-creation of the Office of Technology Assessment, which Newt Gingrich dismantled in 1995.  Forcing wingnuts to bow to empirical, scientific review processes is an invaluable measure to turn their public insanity back on them.  It also significantly empowers rational/empirical forces at all levels to have this tone set at the highest level in the land.

selise has the right idea.  National political leadership has to take on the authoritarian leadership, SDO central.  It then creates the conditions in which some degree of recovery among authoritarian followers may become possible.

But the main thing is just turning the corner so that they no longer can shout down and disrupt every single effort to actually fix all the messes they've created.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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there are two main things (4.00 / 1)
this is one:

"But the main thing is just turning the corner so that they no longer can shout down and disrupt every single effort to actually fix all the messes they've created."

the other is making sure that the future is significantly social democratic rather than capitalist technocratic.  this is very very very very important, but it can't happen without being done in conjunction with #1, i think.

:D


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Oh, Sure (0.00 / 0)
I was just addressing the issue of how to deal with current authoritarian threat.

Clearing the decks, so to speak.

We also have to prevent a global warming catastrophe, which would be far more devastating for the world's poor than the First World middle class.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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sure (0.00 / 0)
but my point from the beginninng has been that your strategy for #1 has to allow for #2 to happen, as annoying as that might be at points.

on an aside, the point about the environment and transnationalism is right on.  this is why social democracy needs to be conceived globally rather than within specific countries - and that's a much broader struggle.  

it would be good to see some of those issues highlighted here at openleft or global South perspectives on issues like health care, migration, the enviornment, how race is understood, gender discrimination, etc.


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BTW (0.00 / 0)
I owe you a diary response that I've just not been able to do, as I'm engaged in a wee bit of hegemonic struggle with stomach today.  But I haven't forgotten.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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no worries (0.00 / 0)
i'm reading the anti-authoritarianism diaries with that context in mind (which was probably self-evident).

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different approaches? (0.00 / 0)
the problem is that you can't eliminate authoritarianism by using authoritarian modes of engagement with other people but need to connect with their hearts AND minds.

my intuition is to agree with paul re authoritarian leaders and you re authoritarian followers. but don't really know...  


i don't really know either, but that sounds sort of right (0.00 / 0)
i think you can basically spread out people who we're labeling authoritarian and look at them in terms of the level of power they have, what is driving them, etc.  there are some cases where supporting them as individuals actually involves social sanctions (e.g. people like o'reilly and limbaugh and glenn beck).  it would be good to see some ethnographies and thick description on these people so they can be understood, the same way that people like richard sageman and others have studied people who got involved in 9-11 and in other ways.

however, i do believe that using social sanctions or the law against people in the name of a collective social interest WITHOUT regard for the individuality of the people you're using it against is dangerous - it is the root of state power and authoritarianism, and, more relevantly for me, will eventually be used against leftists and their friends if they ever are able to emerge.  this is why i think it's a dangerous trend to continue.  if it is necessary, i think it should be used out of necessity rather than anger to prevent it from being violent even if it employs power (e.g. throwing a serial killer in jail and still treating them like a human being - as well as the people the person has to be around).

i'm not content with just getting a 'soft' multicultural capitalist country - i want more, and i don't think it's achievable without thoroughly dismantling the tools that keep it from emerging, including the bases of authoritarianism, not just its public manifestations.


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The types most demagogued, likely live in the places most demagogued (4.00 / 1)
I wonder if this is a place to mention an aspect of the culture war that seems to have been so thoroughly owned by the right, that the left doesn't even seem to acknowledge it anymore.  The home of American multiculturalism, urban America, has been one of the central victims in this "ritual defamation" campaign.  To the point that there is hardly anyone willing to speak up and say that we, citizens, are very REAL Americans.  In Fact, when speaking of violating a taboo, one might recall what happened when Obama referred to those who cling to their guns and religion.  It seems to me that there is a gigantic taboo against suggesting that there might be something going very wrong in rural America.  Such a powerful taboo that, no matter how much open bashing urban culture takes, no one even dares to buck back against it anymore.  
The "Culture Warriors" seem to understand that they are in a game of land acquisition, identifying the actual locations that are their "bases" ("Real America") and areas that they consider enemy strongholds (home to "multiculturalism," "metro-sexuals," and the "Other," who, for whatever reason, doesn't fit the uniform code of their monocultural forces).  As we saw in the last election, it is pretty clear that they identify with the wide open spaces of rural America, while they seem to view the metropolitan areas (the places with the most Americans per square mile)as "Un-America."  To me, this is evident in the language, as well as the electoral maps.  The "red sea" is angry at the "little blue islands," which, as Beck says, they have surrounded.  Whether it's urban blight, urban sprawl, metrosexuals "Gay agenda" or some crazy conspiracy theory about trying to wage a war against Santa Claus, many seem to revel in the notion that urban America is where all evil dwells, and it is constantly waging a PC (Luntzianese for "polite") war on "real America," (the few, the proud, the victimized).

I don't know if you can take on the authoritarian divide by using authoritarian modes of engagement, but we could sure use a few people with the guts and engagement style of Sinclair Lewis to take on the taboo that he took on so many years ago.
 


Good Points. A Very Old Story, I'm Afraid (4.00 / 2)
An excellent book that's relevant here is America's Undeclared War: What's Killing Our Cities and How We Can Stop It by Daniel Lazare.  Highly recommended.  Lot's of good history.  All the way from Colonial times to the present.

I'd also suggest thinking more about suburbia and exurbia.  They are absolutely parasitic on the urban core, but so blissfully so that they simply have no idea.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Absolutely old, but certainly shouldn't be forgotten. (0.00 / 0)
Thank you for the book reference, Mr. Rosenberg.  If it gets your recommendation, I will definitely read it.
As to suburbia and exburbia, I completely agree, and would love to see a post that attempts to give them an idea...  Or at least makes them less blissfully unaware.  Unless we want to see more of what Detroit has gone through, I think an urban awareness campaign that focuses on more than "getting tough" on the "mean streets," Reagan style, is essential.  It might even be the key toe hold that the left needs to get some purchase against "the doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent."

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Disappearing rural America (4.00 / 3)
The Census Bureau divides America into Urban (cities and suburbs) and Rural.  Currently, urban America totals 81% of the population; rural America comprises 19%.  The one underlying thing about the Blue Dogs is that they represent rural districts.

I took Census Bureau totals from the Historical Abstract that are the closest to the dividing lines for Paul's eras: 1970 (for 1968), 1930 (for 1932), 1900 (for 1896), 1860 (for 1860), 1830 (for 1828) and 1800 (for 1800).  Here is the rural percentage for each of these dividing lines:

2008 - Obama's America (19%) (2007 data)
1968 - Nixon's America (26.5%) (1970 data)
1932 - FDR's America (43.8%) (1930 data)
1896 - McKinley's America (60.3%) (1900 data)
1860 - Lincoln's America (80.2%) (1860 data)
1828 - Jackson's America (91.2%) (1828 data)
1800 - Jefferson's America (93.9%) (1800 data)

Given the stats, it is amazing that Bryant's Cross of Gold appeal to rural America failed.  It is also amazing that the power of rural America between 1968 and 2008 substantially increased.  Since 1968, we have thhe rual-based Blue Dogs replacing the regional-based Dixiecrats/ southern Democrats as the "swing group" in the House.  (Blue Dogs are only 40% southern).  We have the power of city bosses in the New Deal era replaced by the primary caucus/ system with Iowa, New Hampshire and to some extent South Carolina becoming the key states.

It is not urban/suburban America that is not representative; it is increasingly rural America.  Yet rural America (or those who claim to represent it) use itstraditional status population-wise to claim "real America" status and some sort of monopoly on "values."

We can't accept the idea that some small in-group is super worthy and some other groups are lesser Americans.  That's crap.  That really is unamerican.


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Myth v. Truth (4.00 / 2)
Bryan lost because he was successfully portrayed as backwards looking, and McKinley was portrayed as forward-looking.  The realignment of 1896 ushered in a fierce struggle over what the meaning of "progress" was.  No one today thinks of McKinley as progressive, but that's what he ran as in 1896.  And the party bosses feared Teddy Roosevelt precisely because he represented a much more appealing, broad-based and humane notion of progress.  This was both more threatening to GOP party bosses than Bryan/populism, because of its broad and powerful appeal, and less threatening to elite power in the end, because it was less oppositional, and was more easily contained.

To sum up--the rural population may have been the majority then, but people as a whole were thinking forward.

Today, the rural population is a minority, but people are much more into thinking backwards.

The problem is, we're confronting an authoritarian backlash that feeds on its own failure, making people more and more fearful of the future, more and more desirous of a mythical past where everything was just peachy.  They replace the Enlightenment roots of nation with a form of fundamentalism that didn't even exist then, rail against liberals "destroying the Constitution," and pass a bill of attainder against ACORN.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The Gay Way to Defeat Authoritarians (0.00 / 0)
As a psychologist I work with authoritarian family systems all the time.  And those systems can be changed. For what gives them their power is fear.  Fear of the dark.  Fear of the unknown. Fear of the "other."  Which is often a projection of the secret "other" deep within us that threatens to destroy what we believe to be "us."

But all this you know.  The question is how to change authoritarian systems into more open, egalitarian, live-and-let-live ones.  And I think the answer is sunshine.  As every vampire-hunter knows, the ultimate answer is sunshine.  That's the only way to win the war on terror that authoritarians constantly wage against us all on every level of social and psychic organization simultaneously.  And the LGBT community shows us what can realistically be done to overcome them

I'm not smoking dope here.  That's for later.  :-)  Nope.  That's my stone sober assessment.  And it's a very hopeful one at that.  Just within my lifetime we've gone from being a society where disclosure of one's LGBT identity often led to death in the form of either suicide or anonymous homicide to a society where gay people can openly dance and date.  And in some states they can even marry and legally have kids of their own.  

It's miraculous!  Even though much remains to be done before full equality is achieved, the difference from the America of my boyhood--where men could still be sent to jail for the sole "crime" of "practicing homosexuality"--is beyond belief.  And what has brought about that change has not been just the parades and marches and those good ole American RIOTS!  In fact, social research shows that what changed social attitudes the most was more and more LGBT kids and grownups coming out to their families, friends, and people at work.  That's why American society is so different today.  Now most people know someone personally who's either bi or gay or trans.  And they know that these folks are "monsters."  They're just "Jill" or "Juan" or "Sam."  And so the fear is gone.

That's an important model to build on. Whether it's a fear of Arabs or a fear of Muslims, the best way to undermine authoritarian systems is by making (to paraphrase Freud) the unconscious conscious and the unknown known.

For this to happen on a societal scale, we need to think big, I know.  But we also need to think small.  That's what the LGBT liberation movement has to teach us.  It was the sum of all those individual acts of courage on the part of Jill and Juan and Sam that showed this whole authoritarian society of ours that we indeed have nothing to fear but fear itself--and those who stoke it.    

Major political interests: torture; human rights; stopping war with Iran.


Sorry. Left out a "not." (0.00 / 0)
In the 4th paragraph the 3rd to last sentence should read: And they know these folks AREN'T "monsters."

Major political interests: torture; human rights; stopping war with Iran.

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Excellent Point (4.00 / 1)
The large-scale problem, as I see it, is that Obama has done a thousand little things to undermine the spirit of openness and bravery that's needed--the exact opposite of what so many read into his campaign.

He's done it primarily in the name of "reaching out"--a noble goal.  But as you intimate, the most effective way to reach out is with your whole self as you are, not by trying to diminish yourself to fit the fears of others.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The Divide (0.00 / 0)
We must be very careful with an authoritian approach to governance.  It leads to truly the rights of citizens being trampled.  It does have nasty side effects from the next group in governmental power.

Sometimes political parties, feel that they have the right of governance.  It is like a supreme being has willed them the right to make decisions for citizen "in their own good."  I see this in the management of our congressional houses of government.  There seems to be a disconnect between congress and the desires of the public.  


Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.


More Interesting Statistics (0.00 / 0)
Utah is the state with highest online pornography usage, and other interesting statistics (teen pregnancy and divorce) - Red States vs. Blue States

http://vox-nova.com/2009/06/30...


Why should we clean up the mess of the Republican base? (4.00 / 1)
I want to argue against this idea that GOP authoritarianism must be "decisively defeated." Why not go after the Republican Party itself? It's already falling apart.

As you say:

The authoritarian worldview that has gained ground under the Republican banner since the time of Richard Nixon-throughout the entire Sixth Party System (1986-2008)-is strikingly ill-suited to run a modern economy, which needs a high degree of innovation and flexibility, even aside from the growing diversity of America's population.  

The multi-faceted policy failures of the Bush II years are not, therefore, merely accidental.  They are reflective of deep-seated limitations of authoritarianism,...

If the Democratic Party were more unified we could upset the power relations in the seat of power, rather than working on the base.

Pass good legislation - health care reform, climate change, clean up the Wall Street-Washington connection, tax reform to benefit the bottom 95 percent of the people, create jobs (somehow) - make people's lives better. That's how Reagan won reelection - is your life better than it was four years ago, although that turned out to be a house of cards.

If the Democrats can come together and pass good legislation, they would continue to win elections, including holding onto the Presidency, and start the Seventh Party System. Political scientists define party system eras based on who is holding the power over successive elections - I looked it up.

I realize this is a top-down approach, but why should we clean up the mess of the Republican base. These people who believe the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck have succumbed to fear mongering. They have been defeated, only they don't know it. I don't know the demographics of the Republican base that is susceptible to authoritarianism, but I'm willing to bet they are low-income and uneducated. We can show them there is a better way.

If the Republicans refuse to engage in civil civic discourse, we can't make them. All we can do is the next right thing. We need to defeat them through good governance.

You say:

While Obama expresses the hope of putting the "culture wars" behind us, the GOP ascendancy since 1968 is founded on little else, and thus cannot be gotten rid of without being decisively defeated.

Obama will have to get over it. The bipartisan strategy failed with health care reform, it's likely to fail again.

I say defeat them in Congress. If they don't want to totally self-destruct, they'll have to adjust.


The subjects of our devine thoughts. (0.00 / 0)
"I don't know the demographics of the Republican base that is susceptible to authoritarianism, but I'm willing to bet they are low-income and uneducated. We can show them there is a better way. "

Ah, the idea of devine governance.

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.


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Does The Name "Rwanda" Ring A Bell? (4.00 / 1)
These people are not beyond starting a civil war.  Heck, they've done it before.  It's their preferred way of dealing with political defeat.  And talk radio has already proven itself as a medium for promoting this.

You are clinging to the rationalist model.  But these people aren't rationalist.  You can't show them a better way if they trust Rush Limbaugh more than their own eyes and ears.  They really do live in their own little world.  The task has to be to shrink that world, so that it's shadows can no longer envelop our own.  Cowering before them, as the Dems are now doing, only feeds their shadows.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Mostly agree, but . . . (4.00 / 1)
You're mistaken about the demographics of the Republican base.  I don't have the time now to find citations, but research has shown repeatedly that the hardest core social conservatives tend to be relatively highly educated and high income.  For example, there are plenty of white evangelical Protestants these days with college degrees, and they are more solidly Republican than their lower SES brethren, for basically two reasons.  One, they are more likely to think ideologically (like better educated people generally), and two, their social views are more compatible with their economic self-interest in voting Republican.

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