Being More Civil Won't Solve Anything

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 11:30


I was on MSNBC this morning talking about the Obama administration's difficulties in passing their agenda. There were three other guests on for a five minute segment, so I only ended up getting in one line. That is very frustrating, because there is something I really wanted to day: being more civil won't solve any of our problems.

All three of the other guests, and the host, at least partly blamed increasing in our political discourse for the problems we face. Pardon my French, but that doesn't make any fucking sense.

  • Being more civil won't create a single job.

  • It won't prevent a single home from being foreclosed.

  • It won't give a single person health insurance.

  • It won't lower the cost of health care by one cent.

  • It won't take a single molecule of greenhouse gas out of the atmosphere.

  • It won't stop a single soldier or civilian from dying in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Incivility is not the source of our problems. However, thinking that our problems are caused by things like incivility is a major problem we face. If we keep suggesting fake, bullshit solutions to serious problems, then we will never get to the actual source of those serious problems and thus have no chance of solving them.

Even when Democrats are in charge, our government has becoming overwhelmingly responsive to corporate, moneyed interests. That is the problem. That is why real income for the bottom 90% of Americans hasn't increased in 30 years. That is why health care costs so much. That is why we are unable to address climate change. That is why we are funneling hundreds of billions of dollars to Wall Street even after they crashed the economy. Just becoming more civil won't change any of that. Thinking otherwise is akin to just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "lalalalalalala."

What we need are Democratic leaders who are as willing to take on these corporate interests-and their lackeys in Congress--as they are willing to take on the lack of civility in our political discourse. We don't have that right now. The Democratic leadership in the White House and Congress are much more interested in coddling the conservative, corporate Democrats who are a barrier to even modest reforms. They help them avoid key votes, close off primary challenges, and even work to shut down progressive advertising campaigns that seek to hold them accountable. We should be holding these corporate Democrats accountable with every political means at our disposal instead of talking about being more civil. Until we do, don't expect any change from the status quo.

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This is true and important (4.00 / 8)
It's enraging to watch Gloria Borger clutch her pearls at how rude Alan Grayson has been to "every Republican", and yet none of these Beltway hacks seem to muster any outrage at the fact that our government tortures people.

Here's a link to a classic post about "civility" versus "decency": http://www.sadlyno.com/archive...


Great post (4.00 / 5)
Another way to make this case is to point out the extreme incivility, the outight cruelty, of our economic order.

Jesse Jackson, and others, call it "economic violence."



Is it civil when 40,000 (4.00 / 7)
die every year for lack of health care?  Etc.  

Grayson is on the right track.  This matters.  

Too many on TV are like Mary Matalin and Carville.  It's a game to them.  


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Couldn't agree more (4.00 / 4)
Politeness is not an element of morality.  

Z


Civil vs. Uncivil Discourse (4.00 / 3)
Is a meaningless distinction when 'civil' discourse is used to legitimize torture, climate devastation wrought primarily on the third world and our children, the denial of health care which kills more Americans than terrorists have ever threatened in this country, and the ritual defamation (to cite Paul's recent posts) of anyone challenging and questioning authority.

When uncivil discourse is that which revolts against racial and economic oppression, the destruction of my theoretical children's livelihood (though I wonder sometimes if I'll feel like it's worthwhile bringing a kid into this country), and the systematized equivalent of watching thousands of patients die on the floor of a waiting room, forgive me, but civility clearly doesn't mean shit.

Of course sometimes you have to wear the suit, put on that civility to play their game, but for the love of God, do it with some damn leverage, power, and intent to confront something.

Figuring out how to be a progressive college graduate transplant to Ohio:  http://citizenobie.wordpress.com/


If anything Obama has been too civil (4.00 / 3)
As much as I hate to say it, but I kinda wish he had that "get 'er done" cowboy attitude of Bush at a time like now.

He is more like "you guys do your thing and I will watch it unfold" - he needs to do some LBJ style arm-twisting down at the Capitol. Go to the hill, get in faces and if necessary make some deals we can live with.  


that didn't really work for LBJ (0.00 / 0)
he still had to compromise away much of his agenda to get stuff passed.  

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Yes, but LBJ still got an enormous amount of good stuff done. (4.00 / 3)
Obama's just watching his poll numbers drop.

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"Compromise away" (4.00 / 7)
Your words sum it up nicely. LBJ compromised AFTER he began negotiations from a position of strength (real or illusionary). The so-called leaders of the Democratic Party went into negotiations with (presumably) a plan for reform that was what they hoped to achieve and promptly began "compromising away" from that point.

I'm not looking for a "no compromises" approach. In fact, quite the opposite. The notion is to recognize, up-front, that compromise will be necessary in order to pass any bill, and thus asking for "more" than you are ultimately willing to accept. The first offer from the left wing should have been the least acceptable form of a single payer system that would be ridiculously expensive to implement. True socialism - national government buys up all hospitals, clinics, and nursing homes while hiring the doctors, nurses and other staff, thus taking on the whole shebang. No more health insurance at all period. From there, compromise is possible.  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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You're right, but (4.00 / 3)
tradmed has a job to do: make sure that real issues are not discussed.

If it is all a game among elites and we all go home to our nice homes afterward, of course one is civil.  But if peopel actually are dying for lack of health care, or losing jobs or homes or otherwise feeling pain, then maybe Grayson has it right: we should be angry.

Next time, interupt.  Shame these these people.  

Good post, Chris.  Unlike many who comment on TV, you have a heart and eithcial compass.  


Indeed! (4.00 / 1)
Next time, interupt.  Shame these these people.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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The Charge of Incivility has ALWAYS been a hypocritical tool used by those (4.00 / 8)
with privilege to silence those whose only power comes through incivility.        

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

Great post (4.00 / 4)
Civility is an entirely Village phenomenon and it's always one-sided. Republicans being uncivil are proving they're Real Americans and Real Men. Democrats being uncivil are unspeakably rude radicals.

Out here in the heartland, we don't care about bi-partisanship and we're sick of civility that doesn't change a sick status quo. We want a health-care bill that works.

Thanks for this post, Chris.


Watch Alan Grayson's star rise. (4.00 / 3)
Maybe then the other Dems will catch on and grow some.

It's a great establishment line (4.00 / 2)
It's a great combo: the Beck/Limbaugh Axis stirs up the crazies; GOP folks help things along; one or two (like friend Grayson) raise their voices in opposition - and the establishment guys say 'why can't we all be friends'.

The potency of this line is that it gives corporatist Dem MCs (how many aren't?) an excuse in their own minds to 'reach across the aisle' in gangs of various sizes and shun boat-rocking manoeuvers like reconciliation for the health care legislation.

Of course, that's the smart play finance-wise too; but (my guess) most corporatist Dem MCs are not completely unscrupulous, and need a salve to their conscience when they go along.


Classic. (0.00 / 0)


Montani semper liberi

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More charts from Alan Grayson, please! (4.00 / 1)


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