Public Option More Up To White House Than Harry Reid

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 13:52


The AP argues in an article today that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is largely responsible for merging the Senate HELP and Senate Finance committee health care bills into a single piece of legislation:

With the Senate Finance Committee on the verge of approving a sweeping health overhaul bill as early as Tuesday, the path might appear open for action by the full Senate.

Not so fast.

First the Finance Committee bill must be combined with a more liberal version that the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee wrapped up this summer. Such a merger is so rare that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has never attempted it on any piece of legislation - much less one as complex as President Barack Obama's top legislative priority.(...)

Reid must resolve all those issues and more over the next week or so to come up with a single bill to bring to the Senate floor.(...)

But many of the details are unresolved and it's Reid's job to decide.

Many of the details might be up to Reid to decide, but the public option is not one of them. The process for merging the two bills involves the chairmen of the two Senate committees, Harry Reid, and the White House. Given that Senate HELP chair Tom Harkin will be pushing in favor of a public option being sent to the floor, while Senate Finance chairman Max Baucus will be pushing against it, it will be the White House, not Harry Reid, who serves as the tiebreaking vote. Think about it:

  • On one hand, if the White House wants to send a public option to the floor, but Harry Reid does not, within the overall Democratic power structure Tom Harkin plays the White House exceeds Harry Reid plus Max Baucus.

  • On the other hand, if the White House does not want to send a public option to the floor but Harry Reid does, then Max Baucus plus the White House cancels out Harry Reid plus Tom Harkin.
In any 2-2 tie, the White House trumps Harry Reid. As such, it is heartening to see the White House pushing to include a public option in the merged bill:

Despite months of seeming ambivalence about creating a government health insurance plan, the Obama White House has launched an intensifying behind-the-scenes campaign to get divided Senate Democrats to take up some version of the idea in the weeks just ahead.

President Barack Obama has long advocated a so-called public option, while at the same time repeatedly expressing openness to other ways to offer consumers a potentially more affordable alternative to health plans sold by private insurers.

But now, senior administration officials are holding private meetings almost daily at the Capitol with senior Democratic staff to discuss ways to include a version of the public plan in the health care bill that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., plans to bring to the Senate floor later this month, according to senior Democratic congressional aides.

Good. If they succeed, and a public option is in the bill sent to the Senate floor, it will be a huge boost to the public option campaign. Getting 60 votes to overcome a filibuster of the entire bill is a lot easier than getting 60 votes to add a public option to the bill via Senate floor amendment. This is because even the Senate Conservadems are loathe to cross President Obama by filibustering health care reform, and Senator Schumer claims there are 54 to 56 votes for a public option in and of itself. Schumer's numbers seem a bit optimistic to me, but they are still hopeful.

Our petition to the White House urging that a public option be included in the bill sent to the Senate floor is up to 78,728 signatures. Can we get to 80,000? Add your voice today, telling the White House that we are watching the process closely and expect results. Trying is good, but succeeding is better.

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I don't know about this (4.00 / 6)
As such, it is heartening to see the White House pushing to include a public option in the merged bill.

The WH seems to be pushing for something it can call a public option. There's this at the end of the article.

But Obama and Reid are treading carefully, wary of including a provision that would scare off moderates such as Snowe, Nelson and Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., who have all indicated they would not support a national public plan.

If you're worried about finding a bill that would please Lincoln, you're not fighting for a strong PO. What they should be doing is putting together 50 votes for a strong PO and pressuring the likes of Lincoln to vote for cloture.


Agree with you (4.00 / 2)
I go back to my post from serveral months ago that on a simplified basis a 2-1 vote with the White House, Progressives, and Conservadems was likely going to determine what happened, and whichever group the White house sided with would likely prevail in the end.

Chris, I'd like a take from you, and others, on Schumer's public option and whether that is good enough?  I actually like not pegging rates to Medicare, and letting some market forces work.  As long as the public option as it is setup does not need to meet profit, marketing, or other administrative costs, even on a level playing field basis, the premiums should be much lower and force the cost curve to be lower.  

Given Schumer's work, I'd really like to get behind his position.


Schumer's PO (4.00 / 3)
None of the public options debated use Medicare rates in the long term.  The reason for using Medicare for the first few years was to guarantee the Public Option could get itself established.  Once enough people are on it, it will be large enough set payments on its own.

So the real question is whether or not Schumer's PO would be able to grow quickly enough to set reasonable rates.  (Note, no insurer "negotiates" exactly, the set rates they think the market will bear.)

This is one of the reasons I was so disapointed Wyden's amendment didn't get a vote.  Wyden's plan + Schumer's public option would certainly be good enough, as Wyden opened the health exchanges, including he PO, to everyone.

Another way to make Schumer's plan work, perhaps, would be to open it up to all federal employees.  Perhaps that would be "centrist" enough.

I'm not wonky enough to know if the plan will work on its own, but it certainly isn't guaranteed to work.


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Move the Goal Posts (4.00 / 3)
"A" public option is no longer an acceptable qualification for support.

The policy making has to move on to "which" public option and whether those proposed will be consistent with the kind reform that is required.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


the competing narratives are fascinating (4.00 / 1)
The FireDogLake one -- where Obama is looking for someone to kill the public option.  The Booman one -- where Obama is waiting to swoop in after the Finance committee and put in a public option.  

I'm really wondering who's right. I don't know.

(Yes, I'm sure any such option will be a crappy one.)


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


FDL is great (4.00 / 3)
and they deserve a lot of praise for pushing a lot of the WHIP counts in congress. That being said, they do have an extremely cynical view towards the WH and Obama, some of it deserved of course. Point being, no matter what the article says, FDL is probably not going to spin it in a way that makes thw WH look good.

To me, someone like Chris is a much better barometer because he is critical of the WH more often than not, but has shown he's capable of praising them when they've earned it, something FDL basically never does.


[ Parent ]
When has the Obama White House earned praise? (0.00 / 0)
Token gestures without any substance to them are not the same as genuine reforms, and the few token gestures we've gotten out of Obama have been all symbolism and no substance.  That SNL sketch really did tell the unvarnished truth of what Obama has accomplished in nine months: NOTHING.



[ Parent ]
You are correct. (0.00 / 0)
BHO has a great smile and can deliver a great teleprompter speech.  He is having now to make some hard decisions.

It would be interesting to see his leadership qualities.  


[ Parent ]
Defeat of senate finance bill ???? (4.00 / 2)
What would happen if the senate finance bill is defeated
and the finance committee fails to report a bill?
does all reform fall apart?
will the senate use the HELP bill?

all it would take is for Rockefeller and Schumer to vote no.
is this a possibility?

thanx in advance



Good, then there should be no excuses from the white house ... (4.00 / 4)
If they want a public option, which 3/4s of the people they purport to represent want, then it should be in the senate bill.  Personally, I think they don't and they are just blowing smoke to us via their conduits in the chicago area press.

Z  


Obama willing to go to Copenhagen for Chicago (4.00 / 3)
but not willing to go to bat publicly and twist arms in Congress for the will of the people, consistently expressed in polls. WTF?

Obama's "public option" is a joke.... (4.00 / 1)
And it will set back true, single payer options back a generation.

Be careful what you wish for.


Thank you, Chris. (4.00 / 1)
I know I sometimes sound like a flak for my Senior Senator. I know Reid's not perfect, but I also know he's not the key obstacle to a good health care bill. Ultimately, Obama needs to step in and back up Pelosi and Reid on the public option.

Right now, it seems unclear if Obama is invested in a real public option or just some faux option that would appease "Co-Presidents Snowe & B. Nelson". We need to make sure he knows that we don't just want a name, but real reform. And in the mean time, I'll keep bugging Good Ol' Harry on standing for a good public option. ;-)

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)


Push has become shove (0.00 / 0)
What have you got to offer Mr. President?

Lay it out with details. We're listening, get it? Not just folks over here, but those folks that have been attacking you, all of us are listening. We've been trying to figure out what these Senators are offering, but they speak in circles most of the time. Know what I mean?

Its your turn. You're going to own this deal, no matter where it comes from, no matter what is promises and delivers. Its yours.

So, whatcha got?  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Obama just wants a bill to sign (4.00 / 1)
The idea (seen among some lefty wishful thinkers) that Obama is keeping his powder dry for a can't miss-plan to enact a first class public option that no one's thought of is not exactly supported by the evidence.

On the contrary, to judge from what he and the WH have being saying and doing, it's clear that, while he thinks the public option (in some form or other) is a good thing - something worth spending some political capital on - it's not a deal-breaker.

And, in his favor - there are so many public options put forward that it's hard to think that there's much clarity among the majority of PO-supporting voters about what exactly they are supporting; a junk PO (POINO is a nice acronym I've seen around) is as good as any other.

Getting the Lincoln and the Nelsons to vote for cloture (several times, probably) to ensure that he can tick the health care reform box is surely a rather more pressing problem.        


You're correct on Obama's personal view towards the PO (4.00 / 1)
He obviously likes it and prefers it, but he doesn't believe it should be a deal breaker. So its now up to us to make the PO the route of least resistance when it comes to passing a bill, and slowly but surely, that might be happening. The WH has obviously concluded that no public option is not possible, so they're now trying to cobble all forms of a public option and find one that hits the sweet spot of making liberals happy and getting conservatives on board. IMO, no such PO exists, which is why Obama's political capital will ultimately be spent on making Senator voting for cloture instead of a bill with a PO.  

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Kiss the "public option" goodbye, then. (0.00 / 0)
Obama has already made it quite clear that he doesn't want even the pretense of a public option passed.  If he did, he'd have been on Capitol Hill pressuring recalcitrant Democrats to pass something with teeth.  Instead, he's been making back room deals with Big Business and is letting his precious right-wing Dems completely gut the already weak and ineffective legislation now up for consideration.  That way, he can give himself cover - just another excuse - for refusing to follow through on all those hopes his followers put in him.

Well, I for one am not buying it.  If health care reform is now up to the Obama regime, then health care reform is dead.  Now is the time to stop helping him push a shame bill on us and start organizing to deny him votes and money going into 2010 midterms and the 2012 presidential elections.  No more right-wingers in government; they have crippled this nation with their evil policies and it is time to be ideological "purists," accepting nothing less than 100% genuine progressive policies from those we vote into office.



More up to perhaps (0.00 / 0)
but the message to Reid should be that he will be held responsible if the public option doesn't end up in the final bill. There would be plenty of responsibility to go around.  

Who are the best keepers of the people's liberties? The people themselves. The sacred trust can be no where so safe as in the hands most interested in preserving it.
James Madison


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