Prelims Finished, the Big Battle is Joined

by: Mike Lux

Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 11:30


The preliminaries are finally over in the battle to finally, finally, finally- 97 years after Teddy Roosevelt first proposed it- pass comprehensive health care reform. I think the right sports analogy to use is the extended, exhausting, NBA playoffs: after 82 regular season games, 16 playoff teams play in a best-of-7 series to get to the second round, and then the remaining eight teams play best-of-seven to get into the conference finals for another exhausting best of-7 series. I think that's about where we're at, the conference finals, where the coming days will seem like a long tiring 7-game series that is only the preparation for the even more intense final championship round.

I am excited, though, because this is a whole lot further than we got to when I was in the White House health care war room in 1994. We got the bill out of some of the committees, but never out of Senate Finance, and never had a realistic chance to have a floor fight.

So now come the machinations and maneuvering to figure out how to merge the two bills in the Senate and three in the House. The strategy now looks to be to get through on the Senate side with the 60 Democrats and maybe Snowe, but to continue to hold reconciliation (where you only need 51 votes) out as an option if needed once the conference committee comes back.

As I had predicted awhile back, Baucus' initial bill in Senate Finance was an ugly mutt of compromises and decisions, but it got a little better in the committee process, as he gave the progressives on the committee a few solid improvements here and there. Reid will now merge the two bills, and I am convinced that he will work to create a better bill in the process, and then we have the floor fight and finally conference committee. At every stage, I think progressives have the ability, if they stick together and negotiate well, to make progress.

On the highest profile and incredibly important public option issue, I believe we are now well-positioned to have a public option in the final bill. We have come a long way since those summer months where all the conventional wisdom repeatedly said the public option was dead, but I think we are now at a position where the biggest question is more likely to be how good the public option is, not whether we will have one. There will continue to be conservative Democrats who want to placate insurers and Olympia Snowe by dropping the public option, but I think progressives can stop that from happening. The key, as it has always been from the first day of this fight, is for progressives, especially in the House, to stay together and stay strong in the negotiations. In fact, I will go so far as to say this: progressives should not panic if the Senate bill isn't great on the public option issue, and Democrats in general shouldn't panic if the conference committee is a long drawn-out affair with lots of fussing and fighting. We have come too far not to get a bill, and as long as House progressives stay strong and stay together, that bill will have to include a pubic option.

The conference finals are about to begin, but I'm not going to tell you to pull up a seat, because we need every progressive to stay in the game (yes, I will torture this metaphor to the end). It is only because of the progressive movement that health care has been on the agenda, and only because of that movement that the debate has not drifted inexorably to the right. We have a shot at passing a strong bill that will actually cover all Americans and create competition and a check on the power of the insurance industry. We have a shot at making history. Let's stay on the court until the victory is won.

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More Stanley Cup than NBA ... (0.00 / 0)
The basketballers first round is short ... the hockey guys go best-of-seven all the way through.  With body checking.

Nope (0.00 / 0)
The first round hasn't been short in the NBA for several years, now.  Today, all four rounds are best out of seven.

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Yeah, it makes and endless season go even longer! (0.00 / 0)
They are proposing this for baseball, too... I understand the reasoning, but wow, does it take forever.  We've already had a baseball game snowed out... The World Series was not meant to be played in November!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Baseball (0.00 / 0)
And even one baseball game seems to take  f o r e v e r.  On the other hand, not being a real sport they can play two games back to back without any difficulty, so that could speed things up.

Er..  Interesting!  I didn't know that.


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Oh, please... (4.00 / 1)
Baseball is one of the most cerebral and dramatic games in sport.  People who say it's boring have absolutely NO understanding of the game at all.  It's like saying chess is boring.  Sure, it is... if you have no understanding of the game.

In fact, there is nothing like October baseball... every pitch is filled with drama and suspense.  It's not softball.  You have to know what to look for and truly understand what is going on to appreciate the game fully.

It really is a great game... much better than (ugh!) basketball... which is like watching paint dry until the last 2 minutes...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Irony (0.00 / 0)
Ironically, the few baseball games I've seen that I have enjoyed were the quasi-no-hitters, where the game came down to perfection or nothing.  So I agree that is where baseball strengths lie, such as they are.

But baseball is a game of industry, were each player is a cog on the assembly line.  With the exception of the pitcher and catcher, there is almost no teamwork to speak of, other than each must his role.  Or perhaps I should say, no team chemistry.  The total is the sum of the parts.

What makes baseball feel cerebral is its strong statistical correlations.  Ironically (yet again), this is due to the lack of team chemistry I mention above.  There are very few, if any, higher level variables in the equation.  Just the sum of the parts.

The most cerebral sport, actually is football.  Also ironic, given its rep.  In no other sport does pure strategy play such a vital role.  However, the few times I have gotten into the game, inevitably some player would be brought of the field on a stretcher.  Most players only get a few years on the line; the game just burns through bodies.  I can't support that.

Basketball it is.  And despite what some claim, every point is worth the same, regardless of the time left on the clock.


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I rescind my comment (0.00 / 0)
But I still like the Cup playoffs more.

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I'd feel better (4.00 / 4)
if I saw any sign of White House arm-twisting to make this bill better.

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who do you think got snowe to the table? (0.00 / 0)


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And what is she at the table to do? (4.00 / 2)
She's there to make sure the final bill is even weaker than it already is, or else she'll join the rest of her party and too many Democrats in filibustering the final legislation.  Some arm-twisting...NOT.



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Yes and no.... (0.00 / 0)
Conventional wisdom in the media says that she wants to keep the bill "conservative", but the reality is the opposite.  She has made it clear for weeks that the finance bill is way too conservative for her, and her feelings are much more liberal than Ben Nelsons' or even Joe Lieberman's.  If she didn't have an obsession against the Public Option, we should be glad she's aboard, 'cos she's more liberal than at least 7 members of our own caucus.  The rub, of course, is the PO.  We'll have to see how flexible she is on that.  She has already indicated that she'll accept stuff that she doesn't agree with, so I think there is a lot of hope.

The question is her sincerity.  There is a thought that the GOP is actually happy she's onbaord for now to weaken the bill, and this was all a setup.  I do think she's sincere, and I don't think she'll weaken it though... she'll actually make it stronger in many ways, but the PO thing is really going to be the question mark... as it always has been.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Except there's nothing to indicate that Snowe wants anything like that. (4.00 / 2)
Snowe made it clear from the beginning that she would only support something without any kind of public option, or one that is so weak and ineffective as to render it useless.  And even then, there is no indication that she won't decide to up and join a Republican filibuster.  Remember: right-wingers are liars.  Nothing they say is to be trusted.



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Nothing much to indicate anything (4.00 / 1)
It's not clear how right-wing Snowe is.  She has an R after her name.  Like so much in all this, it's mostly speculation.

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boston globe (her almost hometown newspaper) (0.00 / 0)
suggests that affordability is priority for her. many argue that PO is the only way to ensure affordability. there is no down side to the snowe vote.

http://www.boston.com/news/nat...


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Snowe Against PO (0.00 / 0)
Snowe is still solidly against the public option.  So far she is good in some areas and really bad in others.  She is also responsible for the provision that makes it more expensive to hire people from poorer families.

She has some liberal tendencies, but she cares a great deal about the "size of government" in a typically conservative, irrational way.


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but after her vote yesterday it is highly unlikely that she will vote against the final bill (0.00 / 0)
--even a final bill that includes the public option--especially with poll numbers like these in her home state:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...


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Perhaps (0.00 / 0)
I think I may agree with this.  But she will use all her powers to keep it out before then.

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Does Snowe even really care what her constituents think? (0.00 / 0)
There's a good chance she could filibuster the whole bill and still be wildly popular in Maine.  I don't know what it is, but that state loves her.

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(R) stands for right-wing. (0.00 / 0)
Let's be clear about one thing: to be a Republican today is to be a Nazi.  To be a Republican is to be so far to the right as to make even Nixon look like a flaming lefty by comparison.  Each and every Republican politician today is a member of the far right.  Those who weren't fled to the Democrats or to other parties, shifting the ideological makeup of the Democrats to the right as well.  Today there is really no significant difference between the two major organizations.



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She is in a blue state. (4.00 / 3)
In the areas where she is supposedly more liberal than seven Dems, do you have any reason to believe she's not just doing the typical politician schtick of pandering to voters when it won't have an actual effect and delivering for the corporate interests when it does? We should understand how this game works by now. Didn't we all assume we'd get good health care policy and other good liberal policy once we got the White House and a super-majority in Congress? Why is this such a nail-biter that still could turn out very badly? Because politicians are liars. They promise the world when they're not in a position to deliver and then demonstrate who they really serve when they finally get in a position to act.

miasmo.com

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arm-twisting (0.00 / 0)
Not all things are done in public. I'm actually seeing some real signs of it behind the scenes, and the fact that they are acting out so badly means the insurance industry is seeing it too.

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Exciting! (0.00 / 0)
thanks to you and chris for leadership and vision. OL never fails to provide helpful perspectives on the most important political fight of the day.

i read somewhere that snowe and collins were actually to the left of the dreaded conservadems. do you think that's true?

just because it looks like a duck and walks like a duck doesn't mean its a duck....in other words, Obama's strategy of pulling support for his initiatives from the middle (including from liberal gop) may end up being very effective at reducing the leverage of the right wing of the dem party. (haters be damned)


Snowe and Collins (4.00 / 1)
Collins is not to the left of conservadems on very much at all, maybe a provision here or there. Snowe is to the left of the most conservative Dems on a few things, a couple of them important like middle class affordability, but definitely not on the public option.

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Rahm (4.00 / 3)
I heard on the radio today that the four guys negotiating the final Senate bill are Reid, Dodd, Baucus and ... Rahm Emanuel.  My heart sunk a bit.

And Snowe (4.00 / 1)
Oh, and apparently Snowe will be the only other person allowed into the meeting from time to time.  I still somewhat expect something called a public option out of this group, but it won't be pretty.

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re: wh (0.00 / 0)
rahm, deparle, orzag, shiliro, maher

Emanuel is a bit of a tough guy when it comes to his former colleagues on the Hill and his interactions with Reid haven't always been pleasant. But Orszag and Schiliro have a lot of fans among the Democratic senate staffers, and the White House wanted the whole team on hand so both political and policy questions can be addressed at once.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

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Huh? (4.00 / 2)
We are no closer now to comprehensive health care reform now than we were ninety-seven years ago.  Whatever ends up passing Congress will be so gutted as to render it wholly ineffective at the objective of reforming health care in favor of consumers.  It probably will be effective at transferring even more money from the pockets of the poor and middle classes through mandates and penalties than is going on under the current system, and it'll be used as an excuse not to make any real reforms for at least a generation, if not more.  So why would you claim we're closer when we probably haven't been further away from it?



That's bull... (0.00 / 0)
Even the crappy finance bill is a million times better than what sick people have to deal with now.  Yes, it's like comparing a mudpie to a shit sandwich, but the mudpie really is much better to eat than what we are being fed now.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Does the legislation under consideration achieve reform? (4.00 / 2)
So far it's looking like no public option, or one so weak that it won't cover more than a small fraction of the uninsured (and even then, what bill passes won't kick in until 2013).  It's also looking like we'll end up with mandates for buying insurance without any provision in the bill to force insurers t lower prices.  Negotiating for lower drug prices is also out, no thanks to the Obama regime.  So how is this "a million times better" than what we sick people have to deal with now?  A shit sandwich is poison, no matter how many condiments you put on it to disguise the taste.  We're not even getting a mud pie.



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"won't kick in until 2013" (4.00 / 1)
This is something that is completely befuddling to me. Why the fuck are they waiting until after the next presidential election for this thing to actually start? That gives Republicans three years to scare the shit out of people about how awful the program will be, with no actual program in action to counter the Republican claims, which we all know will be hyperbolic and relentless. How does this make one lick of political sense, unless they are expecting the plan they pass to actually suck? Can anyone explain this to me? Seriously. Anyone. I'm begging.

miasmo.com

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CBO Scoring (4.00 / 3)
The total price of the program looks smaller if it takes longer to kick in.  And there really is some startup time for some of this.

But yes, 2013 is too long from now.


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We don't agree. (4.00 / 2)
Look, it all depends on what comes out of conf committee, but we have a legitimate shot at a good public option with some other tough checks on the insurance industry, and universal coverage with decent subsidies for middle class folks. It's not single payer, but that wouldn't be a bad start. The alternative is for health reform to once again die an ugly death, and no one else to have the courage to try for a very long time, at least another generation and maybe longer.
Like the original Social Security bill, it would at least be something we can build on.

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No, we don't. (0.00 / 0)
Because right now it looks as though the fix is in and has been from the beginning.  Whatever comes out of committee won't work, will take years too long to implement, and most importantly, won't cover everyone - not even half the uninsured.  What's more, those who are insured but who must suffer high premiums in return for no actual service aren't getting any guarantee from this bill that their insurers won't still be able to do business as usual.



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Other than supporting and reinforcing the pledge block (4.00 / 2)
with calls,
Standing Up For
The Public Option
with donations and with emails. . . .

I would love ways to watch and shove the "behind closed doors" next phase of this.

I don't know a sport that has two periods or quarters or innings off the field between rounds, whose only public event is the announcement of a result. If there is or are avenues of input, shoving politicians, pan clanging or anything at all, we need to put them up now.

We need concerted effort to push some of the lynch pins here. More push on Snow, on Baucus etc.

We need a discussion to start about the best ways to push NOW, where to lend support and where to place the crowbar.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


Check out the post Chris just put up. (4.00 / 1)
And there will be others.

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