EXTREMELY URGENT: Please Put Heavy Pressure On the Following Eight House Members

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 12:18

House whip count update, from sources very close to the process (yeah, take anonymous sources as you will):

  1. First, we are making progress. All of the "lean yes" votes on the whip count chart have become solid yes votes.

  2. Second, don't bother with Boyd, Berry, Ellsworth, Hill, Gordon or Tanner.

  3. Most importantly, put heavy pressure on the following eight members:

    Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8): 202-225-2542, 520-459-3115, 520-881-3588
    Dennis Cardoza (CA-18): 202-225-6131; 209-383-4455, 209-527-1914
    Joe Donnelly (IN-2): 202-225-3915, 574-288-2780
    Curt Schraeder (OR-05): 202-225-5711, 503-588-9100
    Lincoln Davis (TN-04): 202-225-6831, 931-490-8699, 931-473-7251
    Glenn Nye (VA-2): 202-225-4215 757-326-6201
    Jim Costa (CA-20): 202-225-3341, 661-869-1620, 559-495-1620
    Rick Boucher (VA-9): 202-225-3861, 276-628-1145

    Washington, D.C. offices are in bold.

  4. We still have time. I am told the decision won't be made until early next week.
The process continue to balance on a knife's head. Decision down to just a few members now.

While obviously calls from constituents are more likely to be listened to, wherever you live, put in a call now.

These votes impact all Americans, not just their constituents. I say to tell them you live in "America." If that fails, tell them you will stop calling from out of district when they stop taking donations from out of district, talking to media from out of district, and making votes that impact people outside the district.

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Giffords staff is asking for addresses straight away (4.00 / 4)
Luckily I live in the district.  But beware, you may get screened!

I state that I am a DCCC donor at the beginning (4.00 / 5)
of every call.  They at least pretend to listen then.

John McCain won't insure children

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Good one! (4.00 / 2)
Maybe that will get their attention.

Yes, Virginia, there are progressives in Nevada.

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I told 'em Yavapai county, (4.00 / 2)
seemed to be good enough. Nice fella asked me if I had called my rep.(Kirkpatrick), I said I sure as hell had.

one nation, under a groove...

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Start right out by giving your name (4.00 / 3)
then make your request.

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Yep. Dina Titus is on board! (Nevada 3rd) (4.00 / 8)
YAY! I just called her DC office, and the staffer was very nice in explaining Dina's take on health care and the public option. Yes, while she frustrated me at first (in not supporting the bill in Education Committee) she's more than made up for it since in working to get the best bill possible.

Now I just hope we can get Harry Reid delivering on the Senate side. Wish me luck! :-)

Yes, Virginia, there are progressives in Nevada.

TPM: many undecided (0.00 / 0)
This an interesting account, though it's hard to reconcile all the reports.


As we've been reporting today, House Democrats held a private caucus meeting on health care and the various public option possibilities for a final version of their bill.

A Democratic leadership source tells TPMDC that leaders read out the names of the entire caucus this morning to get Democrats on record with their positions. Members were asked if they support a "robust" public option.

"There are a lot of undecided members," the source said.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

People get squishy (4.00 / 9)
whenever a whip like this happens, a lot of people who were once listed as "solid" supporters get squishy. That is, they know it matters a lot to the leadership, and so they smell a chance to get something for their district in the bill.

Undecided becomes a negotiating position.

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They should follow up with Q on if they've decided (4.00 / 1)
on whether to keep their seniority on committees.

John McCain won't insure children

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I very much support Pelosi threatening directly, or any other way she can to get this. (4.00 / 3)
The leadership had better start stomping (if only feet, or only toes) because if we don't stomp on this, the Democratic Party will be stomped. I am amazed at how stupid people are. Smart people can so effing dumb.


The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky

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ps. (0.00 / 0)
There's a typo in the title of the post.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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Wouldn't It Be Nice... (4.00 / 6)
...if Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC), who represents over 550,000 people, had a vote in the House?  I'm just sayin...

the concentration of folks in the Village who want to preserve (4.00 / 4)
the Last Plantation is pretty high, unfortunately.  

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This exactly true. (4.00 / 5)
If the people of DC where mostly european-americans this would have ended 100 years ago.

Shame on everyone in congress. Shame.


The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky

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The City and the Village (4.00 / 2)
Thanks for distingushing between the city -- hundreds of thousands of people, and the village -- perhaps 4-5,000 very wealthy elite lobbyists, staffers, lawyers and media pontificators.

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Calls (4.00 / 6)
Donnelly (IN-02): very nice, only required name; asked if I wanted to leave my mailing address and I said "No thank you" and it was no problem; agreed to pass my message along.

Schraeder (OR-05): very nice, doesn't know his position other than that he wants a strong public option; asked what city in OR I was from; I said I was from NJ but that his vote was critical right now and would affect everyone in the country; asked if she would pass my message along and she said yes.

Costa (CA-20): nice enough; said he hasn't taken a position yet; did not ask where I was from but agreed to pass my message along.

Cardoza (CA-18): very nice; said he hasn't taken a position yet on which public option and that his problems with the bills in general are about other nuts and bolts; asked for my mailing address and agreed to pass my message along; he said he was writing it down and was happy to have a very specific message to pass along.

Davis (TN-04): very nice; did not want an address; ended the call quickly by saying he'd be sure to pass that message on.

called (4.00 / 7)
Kurt Schrader (OR-05) and got a nice staff person.   I shared that I used to live in Oregon, and how I know the good people of Oregon would want to be represented by his support of robust public option that's tied to Medicare plus 5% rates.

She said he supports a "strong public option."

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Many staffers contend (4.00 / 4)
that the final bill determines support and seem flustered when told congressional support determines what the final bill is.  

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Carney (PA-10) is a solid yes?! (4.00 / 1)
that's really big.

Medicare +5 with a three-year opt out being floated (4.00 / 1)

I'm now hearing that Medicare +5 with a three-year opt out being floated as a compromise in the House. All states would initially be in the system under Medicare +5 rates, then would be allowed to opt out after a three-year period.

The whip count this morning didn't go as hoped. Rather than firm up the "leaning yes" votes, a lot of lawmakers declared themselves "undecided" when push came to shove.

Don't like it very much... (0.00 / 0)
....without consignment the medicare+5 option might end up being very crappy for patients 'cos no doctor will accept medicare+5% rates and there won't be anyone forcing them to....

That's a big disappointment on the whip count....

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

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I heard (0.00 / 0)
another potential compromise was a trigger, not for the public option, but for the rates.

If the "level playing field" negotiated rates do not lower costs to a certain level, it will trigger Medicare +5.

and yeah, on the whip count, I heard Pelosi got somewhere between 185 and 200 votes

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Call other Reps from undecided's state (4.00 / 2)
One other suggestion:

If you live in a state (but outside the district) of one of these undecideds, call your own Rep and ask that they lobby the undecided colleague from the state's delegation. State caucus pressures/issues do matter and Reps do tend to help/work with each other.

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans

That's a good idea! (0.00 / 0)
I'd do it, but it looks like all my state's Reps have decided. The two Dems are now on record supporting the Medicare+5 public option, and the one CReep will just vote against whatever the final bill is.

Yes, Virginia, there are progressives in Nevada.

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I called the 2 CA reps today (4.00 / 2)
neither officially in my district, but one is very close. Both offices told me that they would "pass the message along".  

Boswell still needs calls. (4.00 / 1)
When I called Wednesday, the lady I talked with didn't know his position.  Today, he's lean yes and won't commit further.

He sends out email to constituent subscribers.  The latest, sent late afternoon yesterday, I think sheds some clues on why he's leaning yes.  (All emphasis mine.)

Today, I was proud to stand with my colleagues from the Quality Care Coalition, especially my fellow Members from Iowa, Reps. Bruce Braley and Dave Loebsack, to announce a major breakthrough on the issue of Medicare payment reform.

Iowa's hospitals and clinics are at their breaking point.  They provide some of the highest quality of care in the nation, yet are reimbursed for their services to Medicare patients at the lowest rates in the country. I, along with my colleagues on the Quality Care Coalition, have negotiated a compromise to include final language in a health care bill that will address this inequity once-and-for-all.

Specifically, the compromise includes language that would direct two studies to take place before the bill is fully implemented. The first would study the disparities in provider reimbursements across the nation and seek to fix those for high quality, low reimbursement states like Iowa. The second study would pave the way for paying our providers for the quality of care they give, not the number of services they conduct.  Medicare would switch to a quality-based system unless Congress specifically cast a vote to disallow that change.

It is imperative that we continue to work together to ensure that the final bill includes the study on the Medicare reimbursement formula, as well as the study to pay doctors for performance rather than our current fee-for-service model.

Health care reform must move us forward. It is time to take a hard look at where we are now and ask ourselves how we can truly help our doctors to continue to provide excellent care to Americans, while bending the cost curve and expanding coverage.  

I hope that my colleagues will keep sharp eye on the structure of reform and how it will impact the public option in a final health care bill.  It must be robust in that it covers all people.  But it must also be fair.


Leonard L. Boswell
Member of Congress

Interesting definition of robust.  I think he's confusing that with universal.  More calls are needed.

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