I'll Say It Over and Over Again...

by: David Sirota

Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 16:23


I just want to reiterate a really important point (that I made last week) for any lawmakers, congressional staffers or activists reading this post: Sacrificing good health care policy to make a health care bill "more bipartisan" in hopes that said bipartisanship will blunt GOP health care attacks is not merely legislatively stupid and substantively immoral - it's political malpractice, and I'll keep saying this over and over and over again until I'm blue in the face.

I make this point because according to CNN, President Obama is proposing to destroy the public option with the trigger (which, as I've reported, is deliberately designed to destroy it) in order to get the bill one Republican vote - that is, he's proposing to make the health care bill more expensive and less effective in order to give it the vague image of bipartisanship (more in the extended entry):

David Sirota :: I'll Say It Over and Over Again...

The source familiar with Thursday evening's meeting said Obama "pushed for a so-called trigger, because it's the more bipartisan way to go," due to Snowe's support for the concept. A critical White House goal in passing a health care bill is the ability to call it bipartisan, so Obama officials are wary of doing anything to alienate Snowe.

Notice, CNN is not saying the White House's rationale for undermining the public option is to get to 60 votes - a rationale that might be a bit more defensible (I say only "a bit" because reconciliation means we don't even need 60 votes). No, CNN's source is saying the White House's rationale for wanting Snowe's vote is specifically for the cosmetics of "bipartisanship" - and that's maddening.

Sacrificing the key tenet of the biggest legislative initiative in a generation to get one meaningless Republican vote - and for a "bipartisan" billing that won't mean shit come 2010? I'm sorry - but that's just unacceptable. Let me repeat what I said in my column last week - and when you read it, I hope you read it as if I am screaming it:

The idea that Snowe's support will result in the final legislation being called "bipartisan" - and that such billing will politically protect Democrats - is absurd.

How do we know this? Because Democrats themselves taught us that via the Iraq War. Recall that with solid Democratic and Republican backing, the 2002 Iraq resolution was far more "bipartisan" than any health care bill will ever be. Yet, Democrats turned right around and used the Iraq War to criticize Republicans - and because the conflict was so wildly unpopular, Americans in 2006 and 2008 were willing to overlook the contradiction and vote for the only major party echoing any semblance of an antiwar message.*

On health care, it will be the same in reverse: The GOP will invariably attempt to turn any bill into an electoral cudgel against Democrats - regardless of how many Republicans end up voting for it.

The lesson, then, is simple: If Democrats' hypocritical Iraq criticism only worked because the war was such a disaster, then the GOP's inevitable health care attacks - however hypocritical - can only be thwarted by making health care reform the opposite of Iraq (i.e., a major success). For Democrats, in other words, good health care policy is great politics, and bad policy is the worst politics.

Making the health care bill worse will strengthen GOP health care attacks and electorally kill Democrats, no matter how many Olympia Snowes end up voting for it and now matter how many David Broder columns are written cheering on "bipartisanship." Conversely, improving the bill will weaken GOP health care attacks and electorally benefit Democrats, no matter how many angry press releases a besmirched Olympia Snowe issues and no matter how many blood vessels David Broder bursts.

Why is this the case? Simple: Because unlike many other complex political issues that can be fudged and finagled because they are either small or separated by many bureaucratic layers from voters, health care is not bullshit-able. That is, whereas politicians can spin a small bore tax credit or, say, a big jobs program that is hard to quantify, health care reform is an issue every average voter will very quickly know either worked or did not work, regardless of what politicians say. Screw it up, and no Democratic political rhetoric - and certainly not "bipartisanship" - will fool voters into thinking it "worked." Enact something genuinely positive, and no Republican political attack will fool voters into thinking it's a failure (for reference on that latter point, see Republicans repeated failed attempts to berate Medicare and Social Security).

So again, I'll make it plain: The worse the bill is on the substance, the worse Democrats will fare in elections, the better the bill is on substance, the better Democrats will fare in elections.

It's just that simple.

* By the way, it's particularly frustrating that none other than Rahm Emanuel - now White House chief of staff trying to sacrifice the public option with "triggers" - was one of the politicians who taught his fellow Democrats this very lesson via Iraq.


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I've tried calling the WH comment line (4.00 / 3)
But it's jammed up tight. I called Sen. Evan Bayh's DC office and got on right away. Told them he better not filibuster or he's lost my vote for good.

Hopefully the bigger players in this game (unions, etc) are making it clear that the public option is a must.

This is all making me wonder if Obama will be pushing for this trigger bullshit in conference committee. And if he'll force Progressives in the House to do the bidding of Olympia Snowe, which would really really piss me off.

I've tried to defend Obama on many other things, but this is where the rubber meets the road.

The ironic thing is that Snowe is probably just blowing smoke, and would vote for a bill with an opt-out public option. Must be nice to have everyone kissing your ass.


I agree with you (4.00 / 4)
I've agreed with you from day one about this. Do you have any sense, though, exactly why the President and Emanuel have such a bug up their asses about bipartisanship? Like you, I just can't figure out why you start out wanting at least 80 votes in the Senate (80? What were they smoking) before you'll do a fist-pump, and now that it's down to 61, you still think it's so all-fired important that you'll screw literally everybody to get that one vote?

Doesn't it seem more likely that this was nonsense from the beginning -- that they thought that they could a sweetheart deal with the players, and that once all the important palms were greased, the Republicans would just have to go along? If that's the case, I'm willing to entertain the notion that Emanuel is even less a political genius than I thought. How could he not have noticed that the Republicans have been forced to recast themselves as a permanent minority party, who absolutely need steadfast ideological purity to get nominated, but thanks to gerrymandering, can always somehow manage to get elected in their own districts? How, in God's name, did he ever manage to convince himself that he had anything to offer them?


simple answer (4.00 / 2)
"...exactly why the President and Emanuel have such a bug up their asses about bipartisanship?"

Because their inclination is always to the right -- and bi-partisanship gives them some cover for a "reform" even more right-wing than the for-profiteers crafted.


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Simple, but not intuitively obvious (0.00 / 0)
They're no doubt farther to the right than I am, in that they want to keep as much of what we have in place as possible, and have sold themselves on the proposition that it just needs a little nip here, a little tuck there. They're both art of the possible guys in that sense. The President is smart enough to know, though -- even if Emanuel isn't -- that being the first black President to sacrifice himself on the altar of a doomed status quo will hardly guarantee him a decent place in history, even if he hires Senator Burris's mortuary architect to design his tomb.

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In the case of health care reform (4.00 / 3)
there are a few possible explanations:

- the support for health care reform sinks among independents if it's a purely Democratic bill

- Obama simply wants to pass a bill, and PO provides a big additional hurdle, so he doesn't want Snowe so much as he doesn't want a PO, using bipartisanship as a excuse for political caution. It seems clear to us that some kind of bill will pass, but they presumably live in fear of the entire effort going down in flames. Anything that makes this less likely is good in their eyes.

- A PO-less bill he promised as part of a deal with Big Pharma and-or Big Insurance. A few weeks ago Robert Reich said:

Big Pharma and big insurance hate the public insurance option even more than they hate big Medicare discounts. And although the President has sounded as if he would welcome it, political operatives in the White House have quietly reassured the industries that it won't be included in the final bill
.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

More recently Scarecrow at FDL said:

Why should we not also believe that the White House has a deal to shield insurers from competition by preventing the creation of a public option in exchange for the insurers agreeing to reforms on guaranteed issue and limited community ratings (with the flexibility Baucus provided) and to support this framework with tv ads? (Read Ignagni's WaPo op-ed today; while defending the PwC study, she says they made a deal, but Baucus broke it; she didn't say the deal's off.

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Yeah, Rahm the leg-breaker (4.00 / 4)
It reminds me of what ole Stormin' Norman said about Saddam Hussein. Something like Soldier? He's not a soldier. Threatening women and children doesn't make you a soldier, at least that's how I remember it.

Emanuel's like that, it seems to me. Hell on DFHs, but get him in the room with an investment banker or a health insurance CEO, and suddenly he's a real pussycat.


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Transitional Figure (4.00 / 4)
Our challenge might be that the person, the man, Barack Obama appears to be (and in some sense embodies) a transitional figure in history.

He certainly played this to the hilt in his campaign. The media was thrilled by this of course (as most of us were) and comparisons to actual transitional figures who helped usher sweeping changes in history like Lincoln and Roosevelt, were common. The Right still does this, comparing Obama to Marx or Hitler.

But since actually realizing the office of President Obama now seems cautious, ready to appease his detractors, and reluctant to shake up the status quo in any meaningful way.

This might be his natural inclination and personality, and if so it's at odds with his charismatic public persona.

Unfortunately, whether or not Obama and his advisors truly recognize it or not, America and the world as a whole are in the midst of a number of very real crises that require transitions of dramatic proportion.

If Obama fails to deliver on his promise of Change he will quickly find the world turning their attention elsewhere, and he'll be swept off the stage of history, an odd footnote to a crazy time.


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He is transitional (4.00 / 2)
but not in the way people initially thought. He is not the first of a new kind of Democrat but the last of the old kind.

Montani semper liberi

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Both (0.00 / 0)
These two concepts are not contradictory.  Newton was the first classical scientist, but he was also the last of the natural philosophers, who still tried to turn lead to gold.  Einstein was the first modern physicist, but he was also the last classical physicist, who never did believe in quantum mechanics.

Nixon's policies were very much within the mold of the New Deal.

It is extremely common for those who open the door to not walk through it themselves.  That's practically the definition of a transition, if you think about it.  A transitional fossil, for example, contains elements of two other species, one prior and one future.

I still hold out a great deal of help that Obama will eventually walk through the door he opened.  Every day we seem to see some signs of that happening, but it hasn't happened yet.  Even back in the primaries I figured it wouldn't happen until his second term.  Fortunately, the Republicans, insurance companies, executives, Fox News and many others seem hellbent on pushing him through that door.


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He didn't fight Hillary as hard as he should have (0.00 / 0)
Hillary showed us all how to fight.

Hillary would not have let this go down the same way. We goofed. And she is mighty quiet over this, her pet puppy.


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Clinton's time in the Senate (0.00 / 0)
was spent not fighting. As such, she wasn't that unusual a Democratic senator, as that description fit (and fits) almost all of them.  Today, despite occasional murmurs and a few exceptions, most Democrats who hold national office are either pushing Obama to move to the right, or content to leave things as is. Obama, like Clinton, seems entirely comfortable within the Democratic Party as it stands today. No need for psychological explanations or discussion of Obama's personal values - these cannot explain the institutional situation - a Democratic Party too beholden to corporate power, neoliberalism and too hostile to social democracy and populism.

You cannot change the course of the U.S. government or the Democratic Party by changing the individual who sits in the White House.  A presidential election can be a vehicle for transforming a party or a country, but the election itself cannot do it. If Clinton had won, the broad outlines of where we are would not be different. If she was truly as different as you say, she would not have been able to make a series run to lead the institution.

Change will come when we make it come - but focusing too much on one actor within the institution is a barrier to making that change.  

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Institutional pressure is mammoth to be sure (0.00 / 0)
But I have read Profiles in Courage and the individual can go against conformity even to their detriment. (I have myself.) It is very very hard. And Obama's personal profile does not indicate he is that kind of person and the only one in his family that did was his mother Ann.

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Passage (4.00 / 1)
As Chris reported, it still isn't clear there are 60 votes for closure for a non-triggered PO.  All the reports are consistent with the notion that Obama wants the bill to pass and is unwilling to play chicken.

This isn't about bipartisanship it is about 60 assured closure votes.


Now THAT, at least, makes sense (4.00 / 1)
Pardon me for thinking, though, that a little arm-twisting in the Senate now would do him a lot more long-term good politically than relying on Nancy Pelosi to rescue him in conference, let alone signing an abomination into law which will turn him into a worse case of the walking wounded than Bill Clinton before he even begins a second term. Results matter, especially since the rest of the economy is very likely to still be in the crapper at the end of his first term, especially if he does as well with EFCA and the *^&#$%% wars as he's done with health care.

Whether bipartisanship is a red herring or not, in short, I still find David's point to be persuasive.


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David's right (4.00 / 1)
David is definitely correct on his opinion of bipartisanship.  I'm just pushing back on the interpretation on Obama's actions.

Personally, I think we should be going for a 50+1 strategy, or at least threatening that to prevent any Democrat for voting against closure.  Given that, I don't agree with Obama's position, however I do understand it.  But, if you are going to play chicken for vote #60, you probably need some kind of backup plan.


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but my response (4.00 / 2)
is why isn't the White House putting pressure on Bayh and Nelson and Landrieu, rather than forcing the majority of Dems to vote for a watered-down shit sandwich?

If this is 11-dimension chess and Obama will actually fight for a robust public option in conference committee, sure. But that would still require Bayh, Nelson, Landrieu etc not to filibuster. Is the WH going to then tell us "Oh, we need Snowe's vote for final passage blah blah blah so here's your trigger and are you happy now?"

Reid is close to 60 votes. We pass this opt-out in the Senate now, it will be in the final legislation. I don't what the WH is thinking with this Snowe fetish. Bush and the GOP never watered down anything just to get the vote of Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman.


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Aren't they? (0.00 / 0)
How would you know if they are or are not?  All we know is they are not calling them publicly, other than in those generic quotes that can be applied to anyone not signing up for yes-no-matter-what.

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What can he threaten them with? (4.00 / 1)
In two of the three states, he's hated, the public option isn't even popular in Nebraska.

How do you suppose he threaten them, campaign FOR them?

We're reaching the point where the President has no leverage over hold out Democrats.  


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SAC (4.00 / 2)
As I keep saying, remove the Strategic Air Command from Omaha and move it to Michigan.  They need the jobs.  Republicans consistently closed down bases in Democratic CDs, particularly liberal ones.  Time to turn it around.

Obama is certainly not hated in Indiana.  Maybe he can raise a ton of money against Bayh.  Maybe he can campaign against him.

There are IIRC air force bases in Maine as well as ship contracts.

This may be heavily on the stick side, but ...


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...and my response to this, (0.00 / 0)
why isn't the White House putting pressure on Bayh and Nelson and Landrieu, rather than forcing the majority of Dems to vote for a watered-down shit sandwich?

is...that they don't WANT a strong robust option! It's so obvious...they want just enough umph to get in this bill to reassure those dollars from big pharma keep flowing while they claim 'reform'. And the bipartisanship simply gives them the cover to do it, as others have said. It really is the only consistent reason that fits all the facts on WH/Congress behavior when we DON'T want bipartisanship, a watered down bill, or a trigger.


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It is NOT about 60 votes (4.00 / 2)
During the day Thursday, even players like the very recalcitrant Ben Nelson, were amenable to voting for cloture on a bill with a public option with a national public option from day one with an opt out provision later.

Thursday in the day time...Reid could get 60 votes without Snowe.  

Thursay night Reid went to the White House to tell them of his progress, they were not happy with a public option with an opt out.  They wanted Olympia Snowe, not for her 60th vote but for the cover of bipartisanship.

Harry Reid had 60 Democrats in line without Snowe....the White House wants Snowe and her trigger

It's immoral...how many more people will die because they still won't be able to get health care they can afford.

The president is on the wrong side of history and morality on this issue.

You care...pressure him, defending him doesn't get it done at this time.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Read Chris' Diary (4.00 / 1)
A few clicks back Chris wrote a diary how we were almost, but not quite at 60 for the opt-out version.  All the facts point to this being about risk, not Snowe per se.

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I read Chris's diary. My response:Barack Obama is addicted to bipartisanship (4.00 / 3)
Nelson had made supportive murmurs, he was very gettable

I know Bayh...he's movable...it's personal, left over from not ever being in play in 2008 for the presidiency.  However if the president wanted him to vote the right way on cloture he could pressure him...Barack Obama just hasn't bothered...the question is "WHY NOT?" .

Because he wants a trigger...for bipartisanship...

Barack Obama is addicted to bipartisanhip.

I use that as more than a metaphor...

Despite constant evidence that it has undermined the actual impact of progressive legislation, Barack Obama just can't give up on bipartisanship.  No matter how many times he's burned his fingers, he keeps reaching for that bipartisan teakettle. It's an ingrained personality trait.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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I think it's Axelrod, actually... (0.00 / 0)
Obama NEVER campaigned on bipartisanship, no matter how much the village says so, but he seems now obsessed with it.... which is not only severely hurting his presidency, but the party as a whole.

Axelrod needs to get off his fetish and tell Obama to forget about this bipartisan crap....

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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I think it's neither! (0.00 / 0)
Obama could give a rat's ass about bipartisanship. He knows the R party is impotent...he gives them power. Why? Because he cares about a cover for him and congress to vote the way they do so they can save face with the people on a little bit of policy AND with big corporations on a lot of dough. It's the only way to fly under the radar and not be very obvious while you're winking at the big corps. Let's face it...if he REALLY wanted reform, single payer wouldn't be off the table. Period. This is a way to try to make everyone happy and keep the $ flowing by not pissing insurance off too badly.  

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Well, let the Republicans vote for him in 2012 (0.00 / 0)
because many, many Democrats, including myself, will not be doing so.

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He's walked the black/white line all his life compromising constantly (0.00 / 0)
He doesn't know any other way. He glitters when he is seducing an audience though. Ah Richard Cory....he glittered when he walked.

I don't care if the repugs get in, even Palin, I want him to be a person or go down.


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"Going down" is what will be happening (0.00 / 0)
very soon, because without any beliefs, who cares about him anyway?  What we thought he was, is all a lie!  

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Bipartisanship (0.00 / 0)
A majority of Congressional Democrats voted against the AUMF;  only something like 7 Republicans voted against (Chaffee was the only Senator).

Yes, a lot of Democratic votes were for including 29 of 50 Democrats in the Senate but the nos were plenty to attack if the war proved popular.  One lousy vote does nothing.  This is pretty much a party line vote and everybody knows it.


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Two steps forward, one+ step back.... (0.00 / 0)
Gosh, this is maddening.  Every step forward, Reid's trial balloon of an opt-out public option in the bill, is met with a series of backtracks by other Senators, or the WH spokespeople.

Snowe's vote as this point is irrelevant as long as the PO is in the bill and they can get the 60 Dem votes needed for cloture.  It just seems that there is no trusting any of the Nelson's, Leiberman, Landrieu, or the rest fo the ConservaDems to just move the bill through, and then vote their conscience on any motion to strip the PO out of the bill.

David, please get on a new show and make your points!  I get sick listening to Chucky Todd, and the rest, reciting the convoluted logic for why the PO can't be in the bill.


Undisclosed "Sources" (0.00 / 0)
At this point, this story is nothing more than heresay or strategic leaks from un-named "Sources", just as yesterday's House news: PO has 218 votes; today's PO dead ... and on and on. Read the discussion about this on TPM.

somewhere, sometime the ball is going to stop rolling (0.00 / 0)
and if you are ust bystander, trusting the electeds ...from Barack Obama on down...then you have no ability to make the ball stop in the right place.

The right place is a public option in both the House and Senate bills...and sad to say the President has now had it leaked enough to enough reporters that he wants Snowe's trigger.

When multiple sources are leaking the same thing then they are doing it with the consent, expresss or implicit,  of the main person in the White House.

If you want a public option then you can't wait for the president to deliver it ...he hasn't put it in his order.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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BREATHE! (0.00 / 0)
There is still progress here. It wasn't that long ago that getting any PO out of the senate on the first pass was a long shot. Now we're looking at a trigger as the minimum. A trigger sucks and opt-out sucks not quite as much, but if that goes into conference with a stronger public option coming out of the House, there's a still a good chance we'll get something decent out of conference. And if we got 60 or 60+Snowe for cloture on the first pass in the Senate, we'll get 60 on the conference report.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

and not just political malpractice (4.00 / 9)
but quite possibly political suicide.

If a bill that passes includes mandates but not a viable Public Option, the Obama Administration officially jumps the shark. And not just because about two-thirds of the of the progressive base that got Obama elected in the first place will pretty much wash their hands of this Administration. (Although that is true.)

Just as importantly, the Republicans would absolutely hammer Democrats with that issue for the next two election cycles. Al least. The Democratic majority in both houses will be obliterated by 2013.

Fact: Obama and the Democrats own this bill, whether or not Olympia freaking Snowe is on board or not. "Bipartisanship" will mean jack squat once the Republicans go on the election trail warpath, railing against "ObamaCare".

Note to Rahm Emanuel and/or whatever genius is advising the President about continuing the fantasy of "bipartisanship" in Washington DC: Get a clue, man. The Republicans effing HATE Barack Obama. They want to strip him of his power and pour salt on the fields of the Democratic Party.

Don't take my word for it... just ask Bill Clinton.

Passing a bill with a Public Option isn't just great policy, and a popular one throughout most of the country, it will re-energize the Democratic political base, and the Republicans will set about bickering with each other.

But passing a bill without a Public Option hands over to the Republicans a hot-button issue, and a lot of the base won't easily forgive or forget about being sold out so that Olympia Snowe and the Health Insurance Industry are happy campers.  


Republicans aren't that smart (4.00 / 1)
They'll keep on blasting Obama for socialized medicine, regardless of what passes.  Of course, that means we might as well pass socialized medicine!  (Not that we have the votes.)

In the long run, I think you are perhaps correct.  Good policy is usually better than bad.  (Not always, unfortunately.)  However, according to that recent Washington Post poll, individual mandates are just as popular as the public option.  Once informed about federal assistance in purchasing insurance, individual mandate popularity jumps to the 70's.  To get a similar jump for the public option they mentioned the option would be run by states instead of the federal government, which would be bad policy.

So for short term politics, reimbursement rates are more important than the public option as far as overall popularity.

Also remember that the people effected by the mandate are more-or-less the same people who don't vote.

But the moral argument for the public option is much stronger, as are its long term prospects.  This is why progressives want it so much.  Where Obama will really be hurt is from his own base.  None of this back and forth matters in the slightest, really.  If a good public option is in the final bill, we'll be happy.  If not, there will be blood.


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Of course they will -- (4.00 / 5)
blast Obama for "socialized medicine" regardless. Only if Obama and the insurance companies get their way, and we have mandates without a PO, those charges will hit home.

Never mind that it isn't "socialism," who cares? All people will know is that they are getting screwed, again, and Obama made it happen.

Montani semper liberi


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yep (4.00 / 8)
that is my point, Sadie. Thanks for re-making it in a more clear way.

I can't understand how a political animal like Rahm Emanuel doesn't grasp that he is not just playing with fire but dousing himself, the Administration he works for, and the Democratic Party in gasoline.

Even if this is all a clever move in the 7 Dimensional Chess Game, the Administration has created very serious doubts about their intentions among the base of the Democratic Party, which is the source of energy and money that carried Obama to victory.  

If their is no PO there will be hell to pay. Maybe Rahm thinks he can smooth this over within the Democratic Party and deal with the Republicans on the next issue (whatever that may be).

If so, he is very, very wrong.  


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Obama Is An Idiot (4.00 / 8)
Really, it's not a whole lot more complicated than that.

Yes, you can be Harvard Law and still be an idiot.  What he's doing right now is proof positive.

There's nothing particularly unique about such a brainy leader being an idiot.  Sometimes, the cleverer you are, the more of an idiot you are.  In fact, some situations just seem to be breeding grounds for this sort of behaviour. There were a lot of idiot political leaders in Germany in early 1930s, too.  They had all sorts of clever ways figured out to deal with Nazis.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Obama Is An Idiot (Part II) (4.00 / 9)
Obama is an intelligent, well-educated man who is also a political idiot.

It's hard to figure out how the first two qualities, intelligence and education, lead to the third, political idiocy.

But I think we now pretty much have proof positive that he is a political idiot.

First of all he is flouting the popular will by refusing to back the public option/single payer Medicare-like system that an overwhelming majority of Americans favor.

How he thinks he could re-election with so many of these voters against him I cannot imagine.

Second, he is abandoning an electoral base that he did have, and could have, for an electoral base that he doesn't have and couldn't get in a million years.

The majority of center-right leaning voters he seems to be courting are probably in favor of the public option/single payer solution, given that more than 70% of the American people favor it. They aer sure to remember how he has not only failed to exert any political muscle to get a public option into the legislation but has time and time again said he would accept legislation without a public option. Now it seems that he is trying to kill it with a trigger, if the reports coming in are true.

The only conceivable rationale that I can think of that would make his screwy stances and gyrations on health care reform appear to not be completely insane in terms of his own political interests is that he and his right leaning buddies in Congress are doing the bidding of their corporate campaign contributors, especially those in the private insurance industry.

The rationale: Obama's nonsense about bi-partisanship is and always has been a ruse to hide his deference to his campaign contributors. In his list of priorities, I suspect that he thinks that he can later schmooze and bamboozle enough of the voters he has shafted to win re-election PROVIDED he has enough corporate cash in his campaign coffers to run another emotionally mesmerizing campaign.

BTW, did anyone besides myself notice that at the same time that his political operatives at Organizing for America are trying to persuade voters that he is in their corner on health care they are also putting their hand out for campaign contributions?

Nancy Bordier is the author of Re-Inventing Democracy: How U.S. Voters Can Get Control of Government and Restore Popular Sovereignty in America.

 


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The Best and the Brightest (0.00 / 0)
David Halberstam's great book by the above title is an even better example.

If anyone here hasn't read the book (which details the making of America's tragically blind and stupid Vietnam Policy by the brilliant but hubristic cast of minds brought together in the Kennedy and Johnson Administrations), it comes highly recommended.


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And yet the IDIOT is a whole lot closer (0.00 / 0)
to passing healthcare reform than any President before him.

I'll take this idiot over anyone else, thank you.  


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Of course. (4.00 / 2)
You've never had a problem with anything he's ever done. Ever.

Who cares what a fanboy thinks?

Montani semper liberi


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Even if I did (0.00 / 0)
I wouldn't call him an Idiot. Great political anaylsis...Obama is an idiot...maybe Paul should teach poly sci with that kind of insight.  

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Healthcare reform with a mandate (4.00 / 2)
and no public option just puts more money in the insurance companies' pockets, and does NOTHING to help us.

It will actually be worse than the status quo because people who aren't in trouble yet will think that the problem is solved, and the pressure to fix it will fade.  Until THEY need to buy insurance on their own or take their sick kid to the doctor.  


[ Parent ]
This healthcare "reform" is NOT reform (4.00 / 3)
The American people do not benefit from legislation that forces them to buy exorbitantly expensive insurance from for-profit insurance companies that are basically not needed in the health care equation.

With a Medicare-like system, there is simply NO NEED FOR PRIVATE INSURERS. The government collects the money from the taxpayers and pays it directly to the providers of the care. No fuss. No muss. No middlemen.

Also, with government running the system, just like in Medicare, government officials just whack down exorbitant charges for medical care. This is the best way to bring down health care costs for the nation as a whole.

There is nothing whatever in the bills on the table that do not have a public option that can reduce health care's share of the GDP pie this. Instead, they are going to increase the portion of the GDP that goes to health care.

You can be your bottom dollar that the private insurance industry is going to raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles to make sure that the additional number of forced policy-holders they have to take do not detract from their bottom line.

So there is nothing to praise Obama for, except supporting a bill that will MAKE THINGS WORSE overall.

That said, you can have this idiot. He's all yours.


[ Parent ]
Current Health Care System (0.00 / 0)
Your opinion of our current system is much, much higher than mine, it would seem.

[ Parent ]
I know you've heard... (4.00 / 1)
Close only counts in horseshoes. What good does close get us? We have a majority in both houses and the executive and close is good enough for you? We should be kicking ass with the most progressive legislation since the beginning of the 20th century! Have you been to the towns bled dry of jobs and row upon row of closed shops and beaten down housing? Have you noticed that every shopping center in America looks the same with the same big stores? Have you noticed that everything that used to be free or moderately priced (TV, local phone, insurance) has exploded? The climate is going to hell, we're fighting a war on two fronts (yes, we're still there) and you want close? I want OVER THE TOP progressive policy passed. It isn't hard. Seriously! You vote for what the people want. You're making it hard. It's only hard when your morals are wishy-washy, not when you know who you work for, and what those people stand for. THAT'S you're job - not closely doing your job.  

[ Parent ]
I'll say it yet again (0.00 / 0)
Obama's two major male influences in his life were his father and his grandfather. His grandfather came out of War II with quite a lot and managed to blow it. He was certainly handsome, charming and not a good provider as his wife worked at a bank to support them while he played with various ideas.

His father came from a dirt village to Hawaii to study, married a white woman after she was pregnant, went to Harvard Law, then went back home to Africa where he was a bureaucrat who drank too much.

Both reaching for the gold ring and not ending up with it. Obama gets the presidency and then proceeds to blow it. Just fitting himself into the mold of self-destruction.

He seized the gold ring and then dropped it. After all it is psychologically difficult to surpass father and grandfather.

Now mom Ann, she was something else. But to identify with her he has to identify with the force of femininity. Scary territory.


[ Parent ]
Obama has no "Emotional I.Q." (0.00 / 0)
And that makes him dumb!

[ Parent ]
FYI (4.00 / 1)
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid closed in on clinching 60 votes for a public health insurance option Friday as two key moderates signaled they wouldn't stand in his way - clearing a path for Reid to finish work on a bill as early as Tuesday, Democratic officials said.

The moves came a day after Reid presented his idea for a public plan with a state "opt-out" to a skeptical President Barack Obama, who didn't balk at the idea but questioned whether Reid could truly round up the votes, two sources familiar with the Oval Office meeting said.

So Reid (D-Nev.) spent Friday counting votes and finding out what wavering senators need to support the bill - with a heavy focus on centrists in his caucus who now hold the key to health reform.

From Politico JUST NOW.  


Oh! He "didn't balk!" (4.00 / 2)
Release the balloons! Halleluiah!

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
Of course (4.00 / 1)
Because it would be really stupid to be worried about the votes.  Only an idiot would worry about the votes.

[ Parent ]
As a wise teacher once told me (4.00 / 7)
"don't worry, just do the work."

It doesn't seem like too much to ask.

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
Well, it seems that Reid is forging ahead.... (0.00 / 0)
....and that WOULD be a Halleluiah!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
Can you blame them? (0.00 / 0)
It's not like Reid's actually been an effective leader or anything...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
A bill without a robust Medicare-like Public Option means (4.00 / 7)
the end of the Democratic Congressional majority in 2010, and the end of the Obama Administration in 2012.

Not that we don't appreciate the dozens if not hundreds of real, valuable changes we've seen in the last nine months, but I personally can't get excited about a party and a president who lays down on this most important issue.

I'm in my last 10 years before being eligible for Medicare, and this is the time when the medical insurance companies are positioned to take advantage of me and my family the most.  My premiums have tripled in the last 10 years, and would have gone up even more if I hadn't accepted higher and higher deductibles and co-pays.  

I need a public option now, not in the three years under the best possible bill, certainly not after a "trigger" that we all know will never be activated.  More and more people are in my situation every day.  When they can't take their kids to the doctor because of what this president and this party will have done, they will not be happy.

I will never vote for a Republican, but I certainly won't volunteer, contribute, talk to my friends and family for a party that I will feel has abandoned me.  I may not be motivated to go down and vote in November.

--BD


I'm on Medicare but I feel exactly as you do. (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Horror and recriminations! (4.00 / 3)
AHHHH!

fwiffo+4

(one of which is an Expedition Stout, so...)

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


It's not bi-partisanship (4.00 / 3)
I think one thing we can agree on is that Obama is not stupid. No one will call the bill "bipartisan" because it gets a single Republican vote. It looks to me like Robert Reich was correct: Obama made a deal with some of the big players - big insurance, maybe big pharma - to kill the PO. He has been trying to keep his fingerprints off it. So he advocates a public option while being loudly open to other ideas. And, in fact, there are other approaches, but they are not on the table. At this point, it seems Reid has folded. TPM reported a week or two ago that Reid was saying that if the White House wanted the PO out, they were going to have to take the fall for it. I think the fight now if for the White House to kill the PO without taking the rap, and the most likely reason is that they made a deal.  

"Judge us by what we do, not what we say" (4.00 / 4)
It's becoming an increasingly difficult intellectual feat to believe that Mr. Obama ever intended to pursue a progressive
agenda in the first place.                                                      

If that were the case... (0.00 / 0)
...he never would have even attempted health care or climate change legislation. He would have pursued the Clintonite "school uniforms" agenda instead.

He's just become scared of his shadow lately, and with ineffective Reid "leading the charge", you can understand why he would be concerned.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
SEIU (4.00 / 1)
SEIU made more than $30 million in independent expenditures for Obama/against his opponents.  They want a health care package.  No $30 mill and much less of an attempt.  

Whether this is an elaborate ruse to make a big show and do little or simply an attempt to pass a bill, any bill, no matter how poor I don't know.


[ Parent ]
They could have made it easier on themselves... (0.00 / 0)
....by passing some limited pre-existing exclusion stuff and claimed it was reform and ended it with that.  It would have taken a month.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
We need to have a *Democratic Presidential PRIMARY* (0.00 / 0)
To Get Rid of Obama!

[ Parent ]
Obama's Obfuscation (4.00 / 3)
Why would Obama/Rahm not want to support a robust public option when support for the public option (depending on the poll -- 55-65%), should give politicians ample political cover to support it?  Why would they not want to support it when the necessity to bring down health-care costs is imperative for a myriad of important reasons -- e.g., to deal with the burgeoning budget deficits in order to maintain the stability and position of the dollar as the world's reserve currency; to deal with the burgeoning and unsustainable (baby-boomer)unfunded medicare and medicaid mandates; to be able to fund other socially desirable and necessary programs; and to regain some competitive parity with other industrialized countries with lower health-care costs -- to name only a few reasons?

The above, in fact, are all reasons why Obama/Rahm should logically and necessarily want to support a robust public option (or better yet a single-payer system).

DSs "say it over and over again" article explicates some of the "ostensible" reasons why Obama/Rahm favor the "trigger" option, i.e., either the necessity for bipartisanship (current rationale); or the necessity for compromise that would be supported by a majority of conservadems and Ms. Olympia in order to pass health-care legislation (former/current reasons). The article clearly debunks these obfuscating bipartisan/compromise arguments for the "trigger" that will, by design, never be pulled.

So what are the real reasons, then, that Obama/Rahm would support a totally ineffective option in terms of control of spiralling health-care costs? The real reasons why Obama/Rahm don't want a robust public option, in spite of all the imperatives to hold health care costs down, are essentially the same reasons why Obama/Bernanke/Summers/Geithner were (are) willing to bail out the still unregulated "zombie" banks, and other creatures of Wall Street, sitting on a mountain of virtually worthless "toxic" assets -- "zombies" already again engaged in their latest wave of risky blood-sucking out of a still precarious financial situation -- a situation that could easily bring us back to the brink and beyond of catastrophe.

The more liberal neoliberal Obama, and his more conservative neoliberal compadres Bernanke, et al. are still -- after an almost Great Depression II -- shackled with an ideological as well as a remuneratively and politically beneficial predisposition to allow Prometheus (i.e., the capitalist class -- and in  particular its financial wing) to remain essentially unbound. Yes there may be a need for some orderly controls (regulations), as well as some assistance for the victims of Wall Street's excesses -- as opposed to the total anarchy of the last few years -- to prevent another financial/economic meltdown -- but never again to the point where Prometheus will be held captive by an overly, inhibiting rule-bound Zeus, i.e., a powerful, regulating state . Rather the state's primary purpose, while not being so weak that it is powerless to control or prevent crises, will now be one whose primary purpose is to essentially, but not completely, get out of the way of the capitalist juggernaut. The exceptions to the laissez-faire state are,  of course, when the state can be beneficial, or is called to be a mediator, to an ascendant capitalist Prometheus, or as we have unfortunately learned during the present crisis, if the state can be beneficial in rescuing a god, not ascendant, but one in free-fall -- a god no longer of beneficial fire (prosperity), but a god of malevolent profit and greed -- prone to creating instability and crisis.

If Obama/Bernanke et al. can marshall all the resources of the state to rescue not only a teetering economic/financial system, but to also rescue the financial oligopoly that brought this system to its knees, then why shouldn't Obama/Rahm also look out for the interests of another powerful oligopoly -- the  health insurance industry. After all, we are learning the hard way that we apparently live in a state that primarily benefits the most powerful sectors of the business and financial elites, and  that is secondarily a state for the rest of us (the extent of which today is dependent, of course, on whether we are governed by a more liberal or more conservative neoliberal).

That Obama/Rahm are operating out of a neoliberal disposition in the health-care debate, in the context of covert and/or overt oligopolistic pressure from the health-care industry, seems increasingly clear. After all, it was not Olympia Snowe who introduced the concept of a trigger; it was Rahm Emmanuel who introduced the idea in July. It's highly unlikely that Rahm was acting as a rogue independent agent; more likely this is just another manifestation of  bad cop(Rahm)/good cop (Obama)working in tactical and strategic conjunction. Obama/Bernanke et al. have been able to implement their crony capitalist policies toward Wall Street with a minimum of opposition so far. It's by no means as clear that they will be as successful in their attempt to implement health care "reform" that results in no real competition to the major private health-care providers -- and that ends up giving a windfall to both the health-care and pharmaceutical industries.

All of us can still mobilize to prevent this from happening.

 


Jesus Christ FDR had millions of voters in his pocket long aftr he died just because he brought them change and (4.00 / 2)
hope and delivered. Even their children voted for FDRbecause of it.

Public healthcare. Are you kidding? If he did it he would have them forever. The screamers would have to shut up and they would as soon as they had to use it.

People here in the Ozarks scream about the government and most of them live on government checks. Talk about taking their medicaid (if they have it) their Medicare, WIC, their food stamps, their SSI and they would howl!

As soon as they start to use it they are yours. There were a lot here who voted for Obama and they are hopping mad.


[ Parent ]
David you are just so right (0.00 / 0)
that it is impossible for me to believe these people are so evilly stupid. Obama is cutting his own throat and I am not sorry.

Fuck the bill if it is lousy. Progressives should tan kit if it is no good.


And yet they'll keep pushing for something they think the GOP will go for, reality be damned. (0.00 / 0)
Someone explain to me again why these losers are better than the GOP when all they do is actively help the Republicans?







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