On Reality-Based Optimism

by: tremayne

Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 21:00


The bulk of your "A list" progessive bloggers are now between the ages of 30 and 50. Many blog readers also fall into this age range. Those of us in this demographic are too young to have personal memories of progressive political power. There was some of that in the 1960s according to what I've seen on the History Channel and in books but I've never felt it.

This age group is also too old for unfettered idealism. Our political memories include the dark Bush-Cheney years, the "pragmatic" Clinton years (and an impeachment) and, for some, the Reagan-Bush years and the less-than-successful Carter years. There may be some idealism still lurking inside but it's, well, fettered idealism.

And so, perhaps unsurprisingly, your thinking can become limited by what has been rather than what could be. I think that, in part, explains the persistence of voices, even in Democratic circles, underestimating the chances for real progressive change. Today Nate Silver is acknowledging his error on the chances of success for the public option (though he noted, presciently, that is wasn't a done deal yet). As usual, Nate is trying to be reality-based when making predictions. He has not been alone is expressing pessimism on the public option's chances.

I would suggest to Nate and other empiricists that the ground has shifted and if you want to be reality-based you need to appreciate the new terrain. I'll describe this inside and offer what I think are reality-based reasons for embracing optimism for a progressive future.

tremayne :: On Reality-Based Optimism

Barack Obama would have been the perfect Presidential candidate for 1992 (if you put aside the issue of race and whether he could have won 16 years ago). Bill Clinton was good for that political environment but Obama would have been an even better fit. Obama's signature line, the one that catapulted him to political stardom: "...there's not a Red America and a Blue America...just the  United States of America" would have resonated even more then. Coming off the bitter 1988 Presidential race, there was a large political "middle," people unhappy with both parties. Ross Perot exploited this opening and at one point led both Clinton and Bush 1. Perot was a flawed vessel for this movement and after his temporary withdrawal from the race Clinton-Gore quickly co-opted his deficit-cutting themes.

In the 1990s the DC crowd was obsessed with the political "middle." Mustn't Upset the Middle! Will it Appeal to the Middle? What Will Moderates Think? When health care failed and Republicans won big in 1994 conventional wisdom said Clinton had overreached and was being punished by moderate voters. Maybe. Maybe he was punished for failing to deliver a needed reform.

Today, most traditional media pundits are stuck in this 1990s middled-obsessed thinking. For the latest example, see Adam Green's post on Mark Halperin below. Halperin believes Democrats in purple-ish states should vote against health care reform. He's wrong for reasons Adam points out (the public option is popular in those states) and for another reason I'll describe below.

Times have changed. The media environment has changed. The middle is shrinking. Yes, the number of voters describing themselves as Independent has risen in 2009 but that temporary trend obscures the broader reality. At the end of a pitched Presidential election battle the number of people sitting on the fence is almost always at a low point. That number is bound to rise some the further away from election day we get. And there are people who lean conservative who are now embarassed to describe themselves as Republicans. But, I would argue, the main political lessons we've learned from 2006-2009 are these:

1. The political middle is shrinking. The Democratic party is becoming more progressive and the Republican party is full of crazy loons becoming more conservative. Fox News is very popular with Republicans; MSNBC has become very popular with Democrats and CNN is in the middle and struggling. Conservative blogs do well; Democratic blogs do better; very few successful blogs are "bipartisan." Democrats hate the moderate Joe Lieberman (and I wrote that before today's Lieberman news - perhaps despise is a better word). Republicans hate the moderate Olympia Snowe. John McCain became more conservative to enhance his popularity in his party. Harry Reid has embraced a public option more robust than one Obama would have accepted. Need I say more? Very few moderates are politically viable these days. Obama is one, or at least plays one very well, even if the crazy loons right portrays him as a socialist-Communist-Nazi-enemy-of-humanity.

2. Republicans are very unpopular and could be for a very long time. Evidence for the first half of the assertion is clear: Republicans were trounced in the 2006 and 2008 elections. What's happened since then? Republican party ID has fallen to further depths. Staunch Republicans like Newt Gingrich are now in the same hated moderate category that Republicans put Olympia Snowe. As the base moves to the right and gets smaller there is little opportunity for growth. Demographic trends will not be kind to them either as the country gets less white, less homophobic, less religious and as young voters, overwhelmingly Democratic in 2008, make up a larger share of the voting population (see Chris Bowers series on this at the previous link).

So, if you accept that the terrain has changed what are some likely outcomes?:

1.  Democrats such as Harry Reid can only win elections if they energize the large Democratic base to work for them and/or donate. This is what Halperin doesn't get. In the past, perhaps, Reid would have to win "the middle" while holding onto his base. Today such a strategy would fail because the middle is small and the base is big. See Creigh Deeds for more on how to screw up a race by using rules written in the 1990s.

2. Conservative Democratic Senators can keep their jobs only if they don't piss off the base. The base has proven itself to be very motivated and vocal on the public option. It has simply become a bill you can't oppose and expect to survive your next election. You'll get challenged from the left and, if you eke out a victory there, you'll have an angry unmovitated base for your general election match-up. If you're in a "red" state how can you beat a Republican challenger (sure to be well funded by the insurance industry) under those circumstance? Let me make this point more clearly: Middle Small. Base Big. Big wins more elections than Small. Especially a motivated Big.

3. Republicans in blue districts (there are still some of those) will vote for Democratic bills. People assume Olympia Snowe can do anything she wants because she has been popular in the past. They are wrong. Her favoribility ratings are higher right now with Democrats in Maine than among Republicans. Her new base is Democrats. She's had a long run and maybe she doesn't care about winning another term. If so, she can do what she wants. But a vote against the health care bill will bring a strong challenge from the left, a possible loss right there, or a weakened candidate with an unmotivated base. The same dynamic applies for Sen. Collins and GOP representatives of blue districts.

4. Kill The Bill to Save The Bill. More progessive legislation will pass (and more easily). The light bulbs have gone on in some Congressional offices. The Alan Grayson phenomenon helps. But the public option victory would be huge. Progressives who band together in the House and Senate can block bills that are too weak. The key must be a willingness to "kill the bill to save the bill." Only the credible threat from the progessive caucus in the House (and the loud support and activism from the netroots) to vote "no" on phony health care legislation, coupled with Nancy Pelosi's non-stop repetition of "The House cannot pass a health care bill without a public option" kept this legislation going when so many though it would die.

And so the ground has shifted. There is reason for hope. Cliches apply here. You must first envision success in order to achieve it. We limit our potential when we dream too small. That is the lesson I take from the public option fight.

Update in light of Lieberman's filibuster statement: I don't think Lieberman has any intention of running for reelection which gives him the power to do whatever he wants. And by the way, keeping with my theme of optimism, I expect him to ultimately concede on this, perhaps after he's given something minor.


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Unless... (4.00 / 2)
it's clear that Joe plans to retire the day after the bill (in whatever form) passes, I'd like to see someone offer him this deal.

How about a rest stop in CT? (4.00 / 2)
If he would drop his threat to filibuster the healthcare bill, I'd be OK with a federally-funded highway rest stop in Connecticut named in honor of Joe Lieberman.  His name would come up on the blue sign numerous times-- once at the one-mile marker, again at the half-mile, and again at the quarter-mile.  I would stop and pee there often and give thanks to the great man.

I'd Be Okay With A Joe Lieberman Urinal (4.00 / 2)
A Joe in the john.

But the whole rest stop?

Not so much.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Ah, come on (4.00 / 2)
Give the guy his due. Put it in the middle of the road, with a fake facade in the center, a large right wing, and a token left wing, with a big Howdy Doody-themed gift shop, and a fast food joint called Philly Buster's, specializing in wieners and chicken--all Kosher, of course.

Oh, and no urinals. Instead, huge "bipissing" wells, called Broderals.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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Philly Buster's (0.00 / 0)
Love it!  

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King of the Chicken Wiener! (0.00 / 0)
Best eaten with a shmear of K Street Whore's Radish!

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)

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The fact is, Joe wants to hurt us.... (0.00 / 0)
Whether he wants to go all the way and kill the bill, I don't know, but he definitely wants to kill the thing we want most out of this bill...

Will it be enough for him to have us rage for awhile... I guess we shall see.  His modus operandi is generally to make a big stink, but side with the dems in the end.

Personally, I think he was recruited by the "centrist" coalition to make a tough stand... he's got nothing to lose and can take the flak for him.  If we can get past his initial obstructionism and not back down, I think we should be in the clear (I hope!).  They need to get in all their screaming now while they can until they are finally locked in and have to do the right thing whether they like it or not.

Maybe the white house was right in it's cautious strategy... there are just too many insurance industry sellouts in our caucus to do anything really progressive on healthcare.  

The teabaggers are right, BTW... although it seems crazy to keep their party fixed on a unilateral ideology, someday, when they get back in power, they won't have to deal with their versions of "moderates" who will get in the way of their agenda.

God, I hope Reid knows what he's doing... he's so terrible at this, I have little faith myself.  I can forgive the white house if they have no faith either.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


It's possible (4.00 / 2)
Lieberman will seek the Republican nomination in CT?

That was the only CT demographic opposed to the public option.  

Otherwise, maybe he's just setting himself up with a good wingnut welfare sinecure.  


I like your optimism and shifting ground analysis, with one caveat (4.00 / 5)
And it's a big one: Money. Money and the Washington-Wall Street connection....Corporate money and corporate lobbyists and financing campaigns with this money.

With that said, I want to add a bit of evidence to your thesis:

It's quite likely that Harry Reid's crucial turnaround can be attributed to activists in Nevada - I read about their efforts right here on this site. I'm sorry I don't recall the name of the poster,

something Davey..


I Believe It Is, Bruce Davey (0.00 / 0)


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Optimism (4.00 / 4)
I think all your points are well taken. When conditions are negative, painful and/or discouraging, it's natural to think things don't/can't change and to otherwise fall into default modes of thinking (which can make it difficult to recognize changes when they ARE happening). We see this all the time with the villagers who seem to think it's still 1999-2001 (the embattled Clinton period or early "glorious" Bush period) - or McCain's disastrous campaign and the right's endless re-fighting of 1960's culture wars. But it's always harder to recognize our own blindspots. I know that when Obama actually got elected, my husband and I talked about how we needed to learn how to actually feel optimism again. Jeebus, right up to the minute they called the election for him we were waiting for the other shoe to drop. It just seemed so counter to our experience that he would actually win, even with all the hard work and momentum and the polls and all the rest.

We may or may not get this public option through now, but we have learned lessons as activists and, if we continue to learn and apply what we learn, we will only grow more effective and successful.


Ground has shifted ... (4.00 / 3)
Don't know if that's true, but I think so and I am not convinced we know how yet to make the most of this for progressive ends. We're learning in this round.

I'm a 60s person who has suffered from Reagan through 2008 (Clinton never counted, for me) and I do know we're in a somewhat different place. Some of that is just decay of empire -- much harder for US politicians to do ANYTHING except defend their paymasters. At the same time, they have to do more because structures that held it all together are crumbling.

I sometimes think the very cautious Obama made a mistake getting all those folks activated. They might do something. I'm looking to those 30-50 year olds to take this moment forward.  

Can it happen here?


Community organizing (0.00 / 0)
I think the specific change comes from

http://my.barackobama.com/page...

Community organizing with Obama in this case.  

That is to say that I think your points by and large really don't matter for senators because they don't act in such a thoughtful fashion.  They just react to the pressures applied to them.  

I don't think Reid is too worried about winning over the democratic base because the people who aren't energized now never will be.  They would rather spend all their energy spreading rightwing rumors that Obama is trying to stop the public option.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....


interesting reality, even if it is wrong. (0.00 / 0)
Since RayGun, the righties have done a fabulous job lying, and the Dims could NOT have been more goddam incompetent about selling anything - such as water to thirsty people.

There is no f'king middle!

Among this fake voting block of 'the middle', there are a lot of people who hate both parties. Most of them who vote vote according to who they hate the least on Sept 2 or Oct 30 or ... who knows what date, time, or issue. A few of the confused are people who don't know if they should piss or brush their teeth when they get outta bed - they'll be confused till they die. Yawn... then there are the 10 of millions who are so fed up that they won't give the fascists or the sell outs the time of day.

(of course, if you want to be a highly paid charlatan, just convince the right people you know ...yawn... how some subset votes, and start cashing the checks!)

And about that economic 'middle' ? ha ha ha. you mean the people with skill / hence employment security, retirement security, health security, who live in safe neighborhoods, have reliable transportation and quality schools? you're talking the top 10%! that is NOT the other, bottom, 90%.

There is NO middle politically or economically, except in the lies of the string pullers.

Since Nixon and his silent majority, the fascists have been able to convince all these deluded souls and all these hapless souls that the fascists give a shit about the deluded and hapless.

Since Proposition 13 in 1978, and then those Christo-Fascists RayGun & Fallwell, there have been ample opportunity to shift the ground - if you weren't politically incompetent, sold out, or a mix of each.

Has the ground shifted? I HOPE so, but, I have also hoped so many times before, like when I was 32 in '92 and I voted for that DLC sell out who wasn't gonna scare the middle and wasn't gonna lose cuz the middle was scared ...

Bush got his f'king tax cuts to teh rich, stealing pigs passed in May of 2001, before ... Sept. 11! What middle did any of his shit help?

What has Obama done, STRUCTURALLY, with his new way, or, his anti - politics politics? kissed olympia snow's ass?

Given the depth and the extent of the depradations from the fascists, I did NOT expect miracles from anyone - HOWEVER, so far it has been little more than great speeches and big prizes. I promise you that as long as we keep supporting bullshit excuses for mediocrity, NOTHING will change.

Don't confuse a public fed up with IraqKatrinaHalliburtonExxonSavingsAndLoansMichealMilken
IranContraBlackwaterAIGWAMUFreddieFannie450GasExxon

with support for Dim-O-Shits.

rmm.  

It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


Speaking of Lieberman... (4.00 / 5)
If he's not running again, then we may not be able to hold him accountable.  But we can hold the Dem leadership accountable because it was their job to make sure he voted with the caucus on cloture.  Reid's at the top of that list, of course, but it seems like there should be others.  Who else can we poke?

It's one thing to fantasize about killing reform (4.00 / 1)
it's another thing all together to do it;

that would be a helluva morning after for the Right.

Till now they have benefited from Obama's conservatism: they haven't had to block anything.

They would change the political atmosphere from one of fretting about feckless Corporate Democrats to an atmosphere of "it was Republican obstructionism that made the Dems so impotent" (even though we all know better).


These Are Definitely Important Factors Pertaining To The Shifts On The Ground (4.00 / 2)
I would like to add some other ones that may be of importance:

1.  While money is very important--as Michelle Kelly--points out in her comments:  The power of small donations from the grassroots and netroots is a formdiable weapon.  (Still, I realize big money and lobbyists are still stronger.)  More importantly, I really think the idea of getting the progressive grassroots and netroots to give to progressive organizations--if this can be coordinated--instead of DNC, DNSC, DNCC, et, will prove to be invaluable.

2.  While labour numbers are not what they used to be, they are coordinating better and fighting very hard--this is a motivated group of voters. And I see labour growing, because of the neccesity of improving living standards are more urgent than in a long time.  (Understandably, there still are factions and intra-fighting amongst unions, but I like what I am seeing.)

3.  Also, we learned how to win elections with less money and better campaign strategy and tactics--and the progressive bloggers are just better than conservatives/Republicans now in using the net and connecting with local activists.  I think because progressives are not top-down like conservatives.

4.  Another major factor is that a lot of present and former military and intelligence are forming organizations around more of a progressive way of seeing our foreign policy strategy.  These past 9 years of war have really exhausted the American people, and I don't see conservative/Republicans still being the Party of Defense.  Also, Republicans treated our veterans like shit.  Granted, the military-intelligence-industrial complex is very, very powerful--as we are witnessing--but, I see a lot of dissent from leaders and weariness among Americans in being an imperial power.  Americans are starting to ask "Why can spend all this money over in Iraq, when are schools, streets, wages, healthcare benefits are shitty!?"  They see the connection:  Progressive how to lead on this issue. Of course, national defense is of importance; yet are biggest enemy is global warming.

5.  The liberal and progressive base has many more causes to feel really passionate about.  For example:  health-care reform, civil rights for all, the environment, better labour laws, and the list goes on.  And, with the demographics of ethnicity and age, I don't see this letting up.

*Obviously, there a lot other factors to be optimistic about, that other wiser players in this movement can speak of.


Excellent Big Picture Analysis (4.00 / 2)
I'm not so sure about the Lieberman part, tho.  I think he's a psycho at this point.

But I also think that the economy is key in 2010.  And if the Dems would wise up and pass another stimulus--very heavy on state aid--they could come back and do health care right in 2011, just like they came back in 1935 and did the New Deal right after mostly botching it in 1933.  Yeah, the CW is still so consistently wrong that Dems could actual gain seats in the Senate next year, if they can pull us out of the economic toilet even just barely & find the guts to run hard & proud for a new direction.

In short, the sooner the folks running for office wake up, the better our chances get.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


what if he's not a psycho? (4.00 / 1)
What if he's doing the administration's dirty work by opposing the public option? After all, everyone suspects that Obama is at best indifferent to the PO, at worst wants to kill it. What if he's letting Lieberman do the job?

I always wondered why Obama insisted on letting Lieberman keep his committee chairs. At first I thought it was a simple case of Obama's reflexively buying into Beltway thinking. Now I'm starting to think it may have been intentional, to ensure that Lieberman would have a position of power to obstruct legislation that the administration wanted obstructed.

Lieberman clearly doesn't care about the ire he'll arouse by so doing, because he won't be running again in 2012. Why not be a lightning rod, if it means he gets to retire into a cushy lobbying job? The administration will surely give his clients an open door if he plays along now.

This theory gains added support when you consider that the administration is working through Lieberman to repeal DADT. Given that the administration is very leery of touching LGBT, it makes no sense to assume they wanted Lieberman to resolve this. Therefore, we must assume they deliberately gave the issue to Lieberman so that he would bury it.

Thus LGBT activists will direct their fire at him and not at the WH. And again, Obama gets to claim he's a "fierce advocate."

I think Lieberman will serve as a useful canary to determine what legislation the administration really doesn't want passed. If they want it dead, Lieberman will probably oppose it.


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Lieberman IS A Psycho, Regardless of Whether He's Being Used (0.00 / 0)
My take is that at this point he's driven primarily by rage against those who once supported him.

And frankly, though I share your skepticism about Obama's real intentions, I just don't see why Obama would want to go out of the way to cause himself more grief at this point, which is what you're actually suggested, if you sit back and think about it.  

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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In this case (0.00 / 0)
Lieberman's committee chair has no role in his ability to potentially block this bill.  What you suggest is possible for bills germane to Lieberman's committee jurisdiction, but health care is not in that list.  

I think he's the only member of the Democratic senate caucus who has nothing to fear from health reform failing.  All the other moderates know they'll be the ones to lose their seats in upcoming cycles if Dems don't deliver.  Lieberman probably couldn't pull his 2006 stunt again, so either he's not running, or running as a Republican, if the latter, he benefits from the Democrats being unpopular.



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Chances of another stimulus are zero (0.00 / 0)
The economic cake is basically already baked for 2010.  Its highly unlikely that Democrats are going to come out of the 2010 elections in any kind of shape to pass healthcare in 2011.  

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Pure Conventional Wisdom Without An Ounce of Evidence (4.00 / 1)
Is that you, David Broder?

State deficits over the next two years are still estimated to be hundreds of billions of dollars.  Stimulus in the guise of bailing out state and local governments could very well pass, particularly given how much of that hurt is being experienced in education, which hits the middle class quite directly.

Admittedly, the DC Democrats haven't been thinking about this very much, but the public option fight finally seems to be shaking things up.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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not so fast (0.00 / 0)
republicrats were on the helm for 8 years, obama 1

the public knows who caused this and that obama can't fix it in 1 year


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Sigh (4.00 / 1)
If we're talking about 1992, perhaps you could remember that Jesse Jackson won 11 (or 13, depending) contests in the 1988 primaries with 29% of the vote (Dukakis got 43%), as an improvement on his performance in 1984.

Oddly voters seemed more tolerant on race to me in 1992 than in 2008, with the religious/racial hysterics of the last 8 years combined with Fox-led polarization changing the landscape. (Probably can be traced back to Gingrich in 1994. Reagan was polarizing but much more into compromise and pragmatics in politics). Back in 1992 there was still room for grownup conversations.


We Were A LOT Closer to the 1960s Then (4.00 / 1)
The media was heavily slanted against Jackson then.  It wasn't really until he won the Michigan caucuses that I recall seeing a headline that Jackson won.  His strong showing on Super Tuesday, for example, was not only missing from headlines, but barely discussed in the stories I remember reading at the time.

And yet, he won more votes than any previous unsuccessful Democratic candidate in the primaries.  And despite all the negative press, after his convention speech--the first chance most Americans had to experience him first hand, unfiltered by the media, his favorables shot up from something like the 40s to something in the 60s.

It wasn't just tolerance regarding race.  It was also that Jackson's campaign had a whole lot more actual substance to it.  He said, "Keep hope alive!"  But that wasn't all he said--not by a long shot.  He said it as the chorus to a compelling litany that had many a cogent verse to it.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Lessons from progressive campaigns past (4.00 / 1)
If anyone has the time to research this, I'd love to learn more about progressive campaigns since FDR. I know almost nothing about Henry Wallace and the elections in the post-war era or how Kennedy actually got elected in 1960. And lots of younger folks know very little about the McGovern and Jackson campaigns. The corporate media ignores progressives in the past or, when they do mention them, tend to distort the record severely.

It seems that there are probably a lot of lessons we could learn from these previous campaigns that would help us understand where we stand today and what we should do now. John Emerson is doing a great job of exploring populism, but it might be good for a review of actual progressive campaigns too.


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The Army of the Old (4.00 / 3)
I was born under FDR if that gives you an idea of how old I am.  And at this point--like so many of my generation--I can't go to marches anymore (even if the MSM let us know about them).  But I can use the phone.  And this past fall I spent every weekend calling folks in Virginia and Nevada and my home state of Missoura.  (Only out-of-staters say "Missouri.")  And now I got inspired by Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake to start calling Nevada Democrats again.  It's an incredible feeling to get someone out in Nevada to contact Harry Reid.  And it's great for them too.  What most voters have in common with the elderly is feeling useless, helpless, and alone.  And calling folks in other states is a way to conquer those dark feelings in both the voter and the elderly.  We're a huge, untapped resource.  And because we've lived a long time and dealt with lots of folks and may have kids and grandkids of our own, we know how to talk to people without talking down to them or coming off as naive idealists.  And though we may have trouble with new-fangled things like computers and remote controls :-), we are real comfortable on the phone.  Oh, yes.  And one thing more.  We remember what it's like to win.  To achieve big-time.  So don't count us out.  We do not want to go gently into our final night.  

Major political interests: torture; human rights; stopping war with Iran.

Thank you for your dedication and optimism (0.00 / 0)
It's very heartwarming to read a post that gives such clear advice on a plan of action. I came along during the FDR years myself and was slightly shamed to learn that volunteers my age were fanning out to canvass in neighboring states, and some (albeit younger) who picked up and moved across the country to help Democrats win.  

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