The Right to a Job: An "Organizing" Moment, or a "Movement" Moment? (Core Dilemmas of Community

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Sun Nov 01, 2009 at 11:00


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Community Organizing Groups Are Inherently "Conservative"  

Carefully weighing the power they have, organizers seek measurable "wins" that will allow them  to build power.  Step by step, they seek to strengthen their "organizations" into durable voices for poor and oppressed people.  Organizers seek that little crack where they can pry open the power structure just  a little bit more.

 Discovering a new issue requires careful research.  Organizers and leaders learn to put on their  green eyeshades and survey the plusses and minuses of each possibility.  Hard-eyed pragmatism is the way of community organizing.      

Movements  Are More Like Uncontrolled Explosions  

Movements burst on the scene,  often without warning, when people won't tolerate the status quo anymore.   A movement is always more organized than it generally looks on the outside,  but it is not "an" organization.  In movements, a shifting  collection of organizations, individuals, groups, and leaders come together  for fluid, unpredictable mass struggle.    

The Limits  of Organizing  

Frances Fox Piven and her late  colleague Richard Cloward famously dismissed organizing as mostly ineffectual.   Real change, they argued, only comes when movements explode.    

While I have also criticized  aspects of the organizing approach, I believe Piven and Cloward went too far.  But they made an important  and undeniable point:    

    Visionary movements  have dramatically changed American society.   Pragmatic organizing has not.  

A Movement  Moment?  

It is hard to see any movement  in the offing in America.  Poor people, especially, are beat down.   Tired.  Isolated.  Overwhelmed.  Unorganized.  Apathetic.      

But did anyone really predict  the movements of the past?  (A Civil Rights movement in the deep  South in the 1950s?  How ridiculous.)      

The truth is that movements  rarely simply "happen."  Existing resistance organizations  almost always catalyze and nurture the emergence of movements.    

Is it time for organizers to  put away their cost-benefit analyses and power charts, at least for a few targeted issues?      

Is now the time to fight for what we really need instead of for often mediocre (if still important) scraps  that are all we think we can wrest from the powerful?      

I explore these questions on  the flip.  

(For those new to this series  see summaries of the organizing model:   Part  I  and   Part II .)

educationaction :: The Right to a Job: An "Organizing" Moment, or a "Movement" Moment? (Core Dilemmas of Community

Piven and  Cloward: Organizing vs. Movement Making  

In a   nice summary  of their later work ,  Piven and Cloward laid out rules for nurturing social movements.   For us, the most relevant are:      


Rule 2:   [Organizers] should keep testing for disruptive protest possibilities.   Watch for indications that people are ready for defiant challenges,  and do not denigrate spontaneous disruptions when they occur.   Adopt a stance that points toward political possibilities, that gives  hope, and that encourages people to act on their grievances.   Remember that no one, not academics  nor pollsters nor pundits, predicted the great outbreaks of protest  in the past.  

Rule 3: [Organizers] should  use mobilizing tactics to expand disruptive dissensus during times of  turmoil.  They should not play the elite game  of trying to convert mass unrest into poor people's organizations.  . . .  Organizers should also scour social contexts for unnoticed  opportunities for disruptive action.  Every social context has  latent power possibilities but some may not be readily observable, and  thus go unexploited. . . .    

Rule 6:  [Organizers] should lead.  They should engage in  "exemplary actions" (e.g., leading mass arrests) in order to exacerbate  institutional disruptions . . . .  When mass unrest breaks  out, there is no time for the typical emphasis on leadership training  . . . .  [Note my replacement of "Cadres" at the start with  "Organizers"]  

For our purposes, the key points  are these:  

1)  when organizers organize instead of going for broke and  mobilizing when people are ready for a movement,  their careful pragmatism can inadvertently shut nascent movements down  (This is Piven and Cloward's greatest fear about organizing).      

2)  it's hard to know when a "movement" moment has arrived.   You've got to keep testing the waters.  You've got to take  risks.  

3)  community organizing groups can be key resources for starting and extending  movements.  They can model disruptive tactics, provide

 

Jobs: The  Movement Issue Now  

In my humble opinion, the  key potential movement issue right now is jobs.  Huge numbers  of people are jobless and desperate for work.  If masses of people believed they could force the government to create a significant  jobs program, it might be possible to mobilize a movement.  Poll  numbers seem to support this (p. 101 of   this  book).  

This fits with our culture  right now.  There is a dignity in having a job.  Asking for  a job is not asking for a handout.  And jobs could address many  other problems-reducing crime, juvenile delinquency, child abuse.   Etc.  

The right wing has spent year  intensifying the already strong cultural belief in America in the importance  of work for pay, demonizing those who don't.  Can this "frame"  be turned around and used to fight for some kind of right to employment?    

Scholars have done work figuring  out the specific mechanisms that could underlie a right to a job in  the United States (see   this and   this , and   this ).  

I may be wrong about jobs.   But this post isn't about the right issue.  It's about the  right process for sparking a movement.  The jobs issue is  an illustrative example.    

Movement  vs. Organizing:  Issues and Tactics  

As organizers know, a good  issue needs to appeal to people on the most basic "gut" level. ("Unjust  and unacceptable!")  But a deep sense of injustice is much more  important for movement than organizing issues.      

An organizing issue only  needs to get your established constituency out.  A movement  issue needs to bring masses of unorganized people out.    

A movement issue has to go  beyond instrumental concerns, striking at the heart of justice and fairness  in our society.  A movement is about core questions of right vs.  wrong.    

This issue needs to be strong  enough to drive people to do the unthinkable.  An effective  movement throws a wrench into the everyday workings of society ( Piven ).  It disrupts the status  quo.  This means participants need to be willing to get arrested,  hurt, or deeply embarrassed.    

Of course organizers also understand  that actions need to be tactical.  But organizers cannot (and would  not try) to get people to march into waterhoses and attack dogs.      
Saul Alinsky, the profane formulator  of organizing in America, often spoke of creative "movement-like"  actions.  He described his idea for a "shit in," where his  people would occupy every stall at O'Hare Airport and prevent tourists  from going to the bathroom.  But he never actually did this.   On the whole, his organizations' actions seem to have been pretty  staid.  Organizing actions, today, have become even less risky.        

An Organizing  Approach to Jobs:  Construction Jobs on Transportation Programs    

Recently one of the organizations  I work with had a small conference trying to work out a good "issue"  around jobs.  They brought in an organizer from outside to talk  about how her group developed a jobs and training program for people  of color to become construction workers on transportation projects.    

This was a complicated effort,  with layers of challenges.  Leaders had to become educated about  a range of arcane issues related to construction, transportation, government  funding, etc.  To cite only one example, it turned out that they  had to get an agreement from the construction unions not to "haze"  their new apprentices.    

And how many jobs resulted?   Compared to what we need, not that many, of course.  And who got  these jobs?  They skimmed off the top-these were not the most  desperate, but instead the most ready to work.      

Theirs was still a real accomplishment.   Their organization was right to be proud of it.  And they were  able to extend their "wins" to other related issues, and even recruited  other organizations into related, successful campaigns.      

But it's a typical organizing  "issue."  It's geared to the realities of the moment-stimulus  $$ going into transportation-and to the most easily accessible levers  of power.  It's a "doable" issue that will accomplish something  important and hopefully also increase the power of the organization.    

But it won't get large numbers  of people very excited.    

It isn't going to mobilize  the masses.    

A Movement  Approach to Jobs: 10,000 Public Service Jobs  

Imagine if our organization  took a different stance.  Imagine if instead of thinking small  we thought big.    

What if we decided that we  were going to get together with local unions and whomever else we could  find and fight for an increase in the local sales tax in our city to  provide, say, 5,000 public service jobs?  Or maybe more.   What about 10,000?  Even this wouldn't capture all the people  who need jobs.  But it's big enough that people-regular, desperate  people-could imagine that they could get a job.    

Cities and regions get sales  tax increases to build football stadiums all the time.  Why not  for jobs?    

It's a ridiculous idea right  now, granted.  But it's the task of a movement to make the  ridiculous conceivable.    

What if we  fought, somehow, for people's right to have a job?   For the dignity of work and against the waste of human life?   What if we got beyond the esoteric specifics of transportation rules  into the real core issues of desperation that haunt our central cities?    

And what if we were willing  to do more than hold prayer vigils?  What if we sent hundreds of  people to the mayor's office to apply for a job?  Day after day  after day?  What if we actually were willing to have hundreds of  people get arrested to make a stand?  What if we took over the  unemployment office?  

In my city we are approaching  70% black male joblessness, for Christ's sake!      

I don't know exactly  what would work for a movement issue around jobs.  But, again,  that's not the point of this diary.  In any case, you can't tell people what their movement issue is.  You have to deal  with what turns out to be a movement issue.    

Significant  Structural Change Produces Cultural Change    

Movements  significantly alter oppression when they    

  • force structural changes which
  • generate cultural shifts in how we conceptualize "right" and "wrong."  
    Think of the two key movements  of the 20th Century:  the labor movement of the 1930s  and the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s.  Both of these  led to significant structural changes-labor and civil rights laws.   But they also fundamentally shifted what was "normal" in American  society.  Before the labor movement's big years, there was limited  support for unions in America.  Afterwards, unions became "normal."   The same could be said for institutionalized racism and the civil rights  movement.    

Of course there is a "chicken  and egg" issue.  What came first: the long "pre-movement"  struggle, the movement struggle, the local changes, the national structural  changes, or the cultural shift?  Cultural change is evident all  along the way.  But it seems clear that a key factor driving cultural  change is the fact that things have changed.      

Once people have a legal right  to unionize, a critical boundary has been breached.  What "is"  normal has changed.  New strategies of oppression always emerge.   But the old ones are shattered.  

What structural  social change today would lead to both:

  • a significant    number of jobs, while
  • culturally shifting our "common sense" about the right to a job?

Why Start  Local?  

Most of the  critical events in American movements happened  amidst local conflicts.  The labor movement did not  strike against all of American capitalism at once, but industry by industry,  and company by company.  The civil rights movement started even  more locally, in specific cities (Birmingham, Montgomery) seeking local  changes that illuminated a larger national crisis.      

These movements eventually  either spread or threatened to spread in ways that forced institutional  response.  (Think of the violent riots across America in the 1960s,  for example.)  

It is hard to see where the  resources to effectively spark and support a nationwide movement around  jobs would come from.    

Local movements,  drawing resources from across the nation (as happened in the civil rights  movement and in the case of unions),  seem more possible.    

What if Flint, Michigan, for  example, exploded into a local movement demanding a shift in resources  toward some kind of guaranteed employment?  What if huge numbers  of unemployed workers shut the city down?  And what if another  city took their actions as a model?    

How many cities would it take  before Obama would have to do something?    

If we make the impossible  possible in one place, who says we can't do it somewhere else?    

We Can't  Do It  

From an organizing standpoint,  fighting for this many jobs is a totally crazy idea.  Any self-respecting  organizer would say, "forget it."  "We don't have the capacity  or the power."  

Let's look at these arguments.      

"We don't have the capacity":   In terms of the knowledge one would need to push an issue like this,  it may actually turn out that a straightforward public service jobs  program is actually simpler than the complex world of highway  construction.  It may actually take less work to get something  broad like this put together as a coherent issue.  So "capacity"  isn't really the problem.  It isn't going to take any more  leaders or organizers to get the ball rolling than it would on any other  issue.    

"We don't have the power":   Well, right.  Of course we don't.  But this takes us back  to Piven and Cloward.  Power is not simply the result of your step-by-step  wins and the slow expansion of participants within your core organizations.   Power is the general capacity to put enough pressure on your target  to get it to do what you want.  Period.  

No, you can't  "organize" enough people to win on an issue like this.      

But if you could mobilize  the people, if you could catalyze a  movement with compelling enough vision and actions. . . .   Well, then you'd have the power, wouldn't you?    

Beyond Organizing    

Is  now the time for organizing groups to stop thinking like  organizers and to start acting  like movement catalysts?  

But what exactly does it mean to act like a movement catalyst?  And how could traditional  organizing groups reframe themselves to do this?      

I don't have any clear answers,  although Piven and Cloward have laid out some key suggestions.    

Certainly we need better strategies  for "testing the waters" for movement potential.      

For those on the economic bottom  of our society, the jobs situation won't really change for years if  not decades.   Things  may not get better, period.  

What are we going to do about  it?  

Are we going to be behind a movement, catching up?      

Are we going to let the possibility  of a movement fall away because of a lack of vision?    

Or are we going to take the  risks necessary to start a movement?  


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An anecdote (4.00 / 1)
Forty years or so ago, the Black Students' Union occupied the computer center at the University of California, Santa Barbara. At the time, there was a large plate glass window in the center that allowed passers-by to see the marvels of technology in action. The protestors put a long table in that window, and in consultation with center employees, so that nothing would be damaged, they pulled a number of large circuit boards and laid them on the table surrounding a six-pound sledge, and a hand-lettered sign which read: We've got your computer, now you give us justice.

Negotiations ensued. One of the non-negotiable demands was that separate Black Studies and Chicano studies collections be established within the University Library. There was some debate among the radicals on campus whether or not this was a substantive demand, or simply a demonstration of power. No matter, these collections were in fact part of the settlement. (Needless to say, the plate glass window was also bricked over, as though it had never existed.)

25 years later, both collections still existed, with their own service desks, reference areas, acquisition policies, and staffing. No one had any idea how they came to be there.


Pretty Smart (4.00 / 1)
The University of Michigan, where I used to work as a writer for the President, had three separate student rebellions around racial issues on campus.  The administration was totally sensitized to this issue and very serious about preventing another one.  I'm willing to bet the impact of those rebellions is still reverberating today.  I used to argue that they really should have a rebellion every 4 years or so, because it was great training for leaders, only partly tongue in cheek.  But of course, they were not particularly amused.  And, of course, the new administration building was built like a fortress.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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It's Interesting (4.00 / 4)
how the occupation at Republic Windows and Doors had that sense of a local struggle with the potential to ignite more widespread protests.  It didn't happen then, but it was definitely in the air.  And I completely agree that this will be the pattern, if we are to see a movement develop.

The ongoing state budget cuts are sure to fuel the fires of resistance turned toward a more proactive set of demands, if only those fires can be started.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


I hope so (4.00 / 1)
But I don't think we really understand how to spark them or support them.  There has been plenty of work on movements, and historical work on the relation between organizations and the civil rights movement, for example.  But the organizing literature and the movement literature is largely separate.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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provide infrastructure then get the (0.00 / 0)
fuck outta the way.

Organizations ... yawn. read The Prince, 1984, Animal Farm, Bill S on Richard III, Julius Ceasar, Hamlet, Macbeth, Timon, Titus, King Lear

Here are some ideas I put together after the howard dean explosion / implosion of 2003/4 in Seattle.

http://liemail.com/bamboograss...

they're based on years of the same old shit -

EVERY organization ends up populated with a bunch of ineffective power assholes, or, effective power assholes - and IF the organization accomplishes anything lasting, it is typically despite the best efforts of the power assholes to protect ... their stapler.

rmm.

It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


As I note below (4.00 / 1)
despite the issues with organizations, movements depend on them for many things.

I read your post, but I'm not entirely sure what you are saying about the necessary infrastructure.  Movements that engage in strategic actions are led by leaders who learn strategy and are usually prepared somewhere to be leaders.  Of course each one is somewhat unique.  

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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That didn't make sense (4.00 / 1)
sorry.  What I was trying to say was, what "counts" as the "necessary" infrastructure? and Who is getting out of Who's way?  

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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A better metaphor for a movement might be a wall falling down (0.00 / 0)
I tend to think of movements as being more catalytic than spontaneous. When a seemingly unassailable wall finally comes crashing one day down it's more often due to millions of tiny cracks formed over many years -- each one clearing a path albeit a small one for the next to go a little deeper -- than one big explosion. Individually, the impact of any single crack may be minuscule, but taken together they can bring even the most formidable obstacle a place where one well-placed blow will finish the job.

I understand the attractiveness of the explosion metaphor. We're not very patient people, we tend not to pay much attention to details and erosion takes a long, long time to work compared to explosions. The explosion metaphor also dovetails nicely with our penchant for hero worship. But the whole notion involves too much magical thinking for my taste.


I'm not entirely sure (4.00 / 1)
what key distinctions you are getting at, here.  

In the example of the labor and civil rights movements, it was in fact the work of leaders that made it possible to take advantage of the openings created by events and the simmering sense of injustice.  Neither just "happened" with the cracking of a wall.  I am willing to be that this is the case with most movements.

And these leaders were nurtured within existing organizations.  For example, despite its limitations, the NAACP in the south did create the ground for some of the leaders that emerged, as did the black church and local organizations like the women's group that helped catalyze the Montgomery Bus Boycott.

So if you are saying it just happened with the cracking of the wall.  I don't think the evidence supports that.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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There is also usually a long history of forgotten leaders (4.00 / 2)
who build the foundations for the movements that eventually happen.  

A strategic "movement" is different from a riot.  

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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Coda to Diary: Did Piven and Cloward Hate Organizing? (4.00 / 1)
In their 1978 Poor People's  Movements, Piven and Cloward famously argued that when movements  turn into organizations, they die.    

I am no expert on their work,  but in the 1998 essay I cite, above, instead of completely rejecting  organizing, they grudgingly acknowledged that it might at least keep  "the idea of resistance alive" between movement moments.  Recently,  Piven seemed to go farther, accepting Williams Gamson's finding that  "organizations of long standing" have been "more successful,"  historically, at challenging the powerful than "those that formed  during periods of turmoil."  In other words, she accepted that  the pre-existence of robust organizations matters a lot for successful  movements.    

Interestingly, unlike many  organizers that came after him, Saul Alinsky was able to recognize a  "movement moment" when he saw one.    

During the Civil Rights Movement,  when Nicholas Von Hoffman was organizing The Woodlawn Organization in  Chicago, Von Hoffman set up a last-minute appearance by a couple of  freedom riders from the South that he expected to be a failure.   Instead it drew an enormous overflow crowd.  According to Horwitt ,  Von Hoffman called Alinsky and said,  

I think we  should toss out everything we are doing organizationally and work on  the premise that this is the moment of the whirlwind, that we are no  longer organizing but guiding a social movement.
   

After a "brief pause,"  Alinsky replied,  

You're  right.  Get on it tomorrow.
   

Piven and Cloward's fear  of organizing groups was that they would shut the movement down.   But the danger of static and dull organizations and organizing does  not eliminate the need for organizations.  Piven seems to realize  that now.  (I originally posted this below the diary, but it must have fallen out.)

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


I Understand Where They Were Coming From (4.00 / 3)
which was a form of what you might call organizational narcissism bred at a specific time, but they overdid it.

After all, there never would have been a civil rights movement without all sorts of organizing for decades beforehand--be it the NAACP, the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, the Highlander School, or what have you.  Movements have their own dynamics, but they have their seeds in lifelong toil of those who may never see their work come to fruition, and that work sustains itself through institution building in one form or another until the movement comes.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Right to a job. (0.00 / 0)
I really like the way you are looking at this, Chris. I like the local angle a lot. Maybe local struggles could develop around idled plants, like NUMI in California. It would be great to see all those skilled people use their machines to build mass transit, instead of cars, eh?

But we shouldn't forget the national stage. I appreciate the way Paul Sweezy and Monthly Review have long talked about the subject. A national movement that demands of Congress that a new WPA be created could be the way to go.

I agree with the way you talk about jobs and not handouts. It's the way to go, It really just might work.


Not Temporary Jobs, though (0.00 / 0)
I am not an expert on the WPA, but it seems to me like one key limitation was that it was always meant to be temporary.  It was not meant as an attack on the very workings of the economy.  I would be worried about a movement for another temporary program, although its current benefits would be vast.  I think we need a movement for some more basic right to work that becomes, however problematically, installed in our legislative structure.  We need to begin shifting the hegemonic (in Pauls/Gramsci's sense) understanding of the relationship between the state and the provision of jobs.  be

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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and we get from here to there how? (4.00 / 1)
You raise all the things I've been mulling over, as an unemployed homeowner facing foreclosure amidst widespread pending disaster.  It's one of the most important posts I've seen here in a long time.

My own metaphor has been the Titanic.  The past year, the great ship has been sinking.  At this point, the waves are starting to lap over the deck.  In the coming year, the Titanic will go under and millions of people will be in the water and drowning.

You make an important point about how talking about organizing tends to kill taking action.

"Organizers seek that little crack ... careful research ... put on their  green eyeshades and survey the plusses and minuses of each possibility.  Hard-eyed pragmatism ... cost-benefit analyses and power charts"

In fact, you call on organizers and organizations to pursue a different course rooted in a movement that does not yet exist.  But how is that to happen?

You cite the labor movement of the 1930s.  That was a case where the dominant organizations of labor, particularly the AFL, actively fought the movement.  That resistance was overcome, the movement was unleashed, by the organizers in and around the Communist Party (not exclusively, of course) who formed the hard core that the movement could coalesce around.  Ironically enough, the Communist Party was a key element of the resistance to the movement of the 60s within progressive circles, defending the prerogatives of organized labor just as the AFL had defended its prerogatives during the 1930s.

So it is not the very process of organizing that kills action, but something about the specific organizations that kills it.  The fact is that the alliance (tight or not tight) between progressives and the Democratic Party has had a terrible deadening effect.  Masses of angry people in motion would not tolerate the dithering that has been going on around the public option, for instance.  Democratic Party officials could not appear in public without confrontation, as was the case in the 60s because of the war.  It would be out of control.  This is not news to OpenLeft readers.

The DP is well aware of this, though it dare not fully articulate it.  Rather, it supports those who fight for limited gains and offers just enough to validate that approach.

The point that you make so well is that the iron is hot, the tinder is dry, the crisis awaits the spark, the time for radical direct action is here.  Direct action.

In the 60s, the debate raged over the merits of direct action versus electoral politics.  My reading is that the electoral politics forces were the more conservative.  It was direct action that forced change, from stopping troop trains to draft resistance, to hounding school and elected officials, to unruly massive demonstrations where the main task of the organizers was not to schedule the busses and make sure that nobody ventured off the sidewalks.  The electoral people ultimately prevailed, and rightly so.  Movements cannot sustain themselves indefinitely.  Electoral politics, most specifically the McGovern campaign, provided the best way for the movement to consolidate its gains.

The problem right now is that there is no movement to consolidate.  Blindly applying the conclusion of the 60s to a movement that has barely begun is to short-circuit the entire process.  Direct action is required.  The anger is there.  The despair is there.  Targets abound.  The powers-that-be are extraordinarily sensitive to any threat of unrest.

The dilemma of your post is the getting from here to there.  You call for organizations and organizers to do this and that.  But getting them to do this and that is not going to happen, in the absence of some kind of organization dedicated to getting them to do this and that.  Leaders may emerge from the midst of existing organizations (where else?) but not spontaneously.  Your post provides leadership.  Rosenberg often provides leadership.

As pretentious as this may sound, I demand that YOU do more.  I'll sign up.  I'm ready to be led.  As are hundreds more like me, I'm sure.  But you have to do more.  You have to start wrestling with getting from here to there.  Your plan, not list of good ideas but plan, will surely be flawed.  

In other words, we don't need a list of things people could do.  We need a plan for doing it, where we can say this is the plan, join us in this plan.  If others are also doing it, they can join us or we can join them.

But take it on.  If it generates movement, even small movement, others will improve on it in the process.  Why you?  As Ned Beatty said to Howard Beale in Network, "Because you're on TV, dummy!"  You've got the pulpit.  You've got to use it.

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I appreciate the energy (4.00 / 1)
and I agree with most, maybe all of what you say, obviously.  I am actually working in my city with a range of organizing groups trying to support more coalition work.

I have done some thinking about this question--what do we do?  But I don't currently have anything particularly deep to say.  What, for example, is the best way to "test" whether this is a movement moment?  And how could you get this across to organizers, who are really not trained to think this way in my experience?  

It is possible that I'm not the right person to ask, since my knowledge about organizing does not reach down to specific questions about practice.  I'm not an organizer myself, and tend to make my own obvious mistakes when I'm working as a leader with the groups I work with.  I think it is fair to do a piece of the work in hopes that others will add the pieces they are best equipped to add.  

But I will see if I can come up with something coherent to say. It is a fair challenge.

I think that one way to test this would be to have organizing groups pick one issue--I would say the jobs issue--and see if they can take a risk to try to do something more radical than they usually would do.  But how to get them to take a risk like this?  I'm not sure.

You also ask about what kind of "organization" would be a "movement" generating organization.  That's a really good question. I'll think about that too.  I hadn't conceptualized the problem in precisely this way before.  Part of why I like Open Left.

It may be that ACORN is the closest organization to being able to foster a movement, and that may be why they are under so much attack.  Their limitations are also their strengths on this level.  On the one hand, as I understand it, they have a tendency to make things more contentious than they need to be strategically--sometimes against their own interests--partly in order to keep their individual members engaged.  And yet, for fostering a movement, this kind of go for the jugular approach may be what is called for.  And yet they have not successfully fostered anything like what you and I are talking about.

I will also turn your challenge back on you.  Each of us has a set of skills and areas of expertise.  Perhaps you should take a stab at coming up with a solution as well.    

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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Your counter-challenge is completely fair and not unexpected (4.00 / 1)
A few remarks:

What, for example, is the best way to "test" whether this is a movement moment?  And how could you get this across to organizers, who are really not trained to think this way in my experience?

This is a movement moment.  Testing is not required.  If I'm wrong, embarrassment is the least of my problems.

I think that one way to test this would be to have organizing groups pick one issue--I would say the jobs issue--and see if they can take a risk to try to do something more radical than they usually would do.  But how to get them to take a risk like this?

I have the arrogance to say that jobs is definitely the issue, along with the consequences of not having jobs:  hunger, homelessness, foreclosure.  Safety net.

It may be that ACORN is the closest organization to being able to foster a movement, and that may be why they are under so much attack.  Their limitations are also their strengths on this level.

Well, you've hit it on the head.  ACORN really could do it.  There are perhaps other candidates that could do it.  But ACORN won't do it.  Therein lies the trap.  The righteous are few in number, and so terribly weak.  ACORN has numbers and resources and some intelligence.  The temptation is to try to persuade these larger forces into action.  But as you know, their very size conservatizes them.  These larger organizations may provide leaders.  I would certainly hope so.  But they will most certainly not provide leadership!  Not as organizations.

In the short run, cost-benefit analysis keeps them in harness to the Democratic Party.  They are not desperate.  To be clear, I don't subscribe to "emiseration theory."  Things getting worse will naturally lead to rebellion.  No.  The 60s-early 70s left thought that worsening conditions would lead inevitably to revolution.  But I look out my window and I don't see it.  But I do see the desperation, and while desperation is not sufficient, it is necessary.  The desperate will have to be touched, will have to be involved, will have to in SOME ways lead.

If there were a nascent radical movement for jobs, these larger organizations would then be pulled into their wake:

(1)  Some because it would give them hope and yank them out of their cynicism;
(2)  Some because they might cynically want a piece of the action;
(3)  Some because they would be frightened and want to contain or destroy that movement.

We should only have such problems!

Another way to put it is in terms of critical mass.  If, as I assume, the time is ripe, critical mass is much smaller than most people think.

I've read about those job fairs where a handful of jobs are available, and they are mobbed by thousands of people.  Let me do some primitive speculation on mechanics.  How many people would it take to come up with a one-page flier, saying show up at such and such a park, and then march to a bank or City Hall or someplace symbolic, or a traffic chokepoint, or in New York the PATH station at Ground Zero, and pass it out at job fairs.

Sure, there are complications.  Permits?  Could they be ignored?  Should they be ignored?  How many would show up?  A few?  Maybe.  But from among that few, how many would want to take further action, get signed up, sign up others?  I'm not calling this a surefire recipe for revolution or beef stew or anything else.  But how many would it take to attempt this?  How much money?

And do the same the next week, maybe hitting subway entrances instead of job fairs.  Maybe walking down the streets of Harlem with signs saying "Jobs now!"

Or try this.  Someplace is offering a dozen jobs.  Get everyone you can to go there, not to get jobs (unless they're very lucky), but to demand jobs!  Knowing the odds but doing so as a protest.  Easy target.  Every job opening an opening for a protest.

Could you improve on this?  I would hope so.  My point is that what is most lacking is the will.  There was stuff in Chicago at the bankers convention.  Good.  Is that going anywhere?  With union leadership, I suspect not.  But would that have been a place to be?

I know I'm laying a lot on you.  What about me?  I'm 61 years old with diabetes and bad knees.  I'm not desperate yet, but I'm close enough to look into the abyss.  And I'm enraged.  At what has happened to me (wife lost job as a result of vicious sexual harassment, my job oursourced to the Philippines).  Here I am, trying to get someone else to do something, so what kind of hypocrite does that make me.  But I'm too small, too old, too weak, no financial margin of error.  I can do nothing.

On the other hand, maybe I'm not so alone.  In fact, I'm sure I'm not alone.  But how to reach my sisters and brothers thinking maybe the same things but each thinking they're alone?

I saw your post and felt less alone.

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Glad to hear it hit home with somebody (4.00 / 1)
I really don't have time to engage with this right now, but don't take that as a blowoff.  I think you've got some good points.  It'll take me some time to think about it.  

Thanks for the interesting dialogue (we are likely the only people hanging around here at this point :) .

One thing you're post makes me think about are the organizers that SNCC sent in to Birmingham and Albany to spark movements.  We don't have people like that right now, as far as I can tell, who are willing to eat peanutbutter and crackers and work 70 hours a week getting people on the streets.  

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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Such issues are not resolved quickly (0.00 / 0)
and I gather that your reference to SNCC did not come solely from reading books.

We both have much to ponder.

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No, it came from books (0.00 / 0)
I just read a lot of books

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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