NY-23 Results--Democrat Owens Wins

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 00:16


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New York 23rd Congressional
(528 of 606 precincts reporting)

Owens (D) Scozzafava (R) Hoffman (C)
49.1% 5.5% 45.4%
Owens margin: 4,580

Update 13--Republican civil war to get bloodier: While I would much rather have had Corzine, and while I am still nervous about Maine, this win by Owens will cause even more damage in the ongoing Republican civil war. Owens won because he was endorsed by Scozzafava, who was herself torpedoed by most of the Republican establishment. Lots of finger pointing, and no clear result. This is going to get even bloodier.

Update 12--Owens wins: All national networks call it for Owens. With the remaining precincts, and the newly discovered lack of absentee votes, it makes sense. I have to admit, I am very surprised. Owens better fall in line on health care reform immediately.

Update 11: With 79 precincts left to report, 41 are from St. Lawrence (Owens), 14 from Lewis (Hoffman), 4 from Franklin (Owens), 3 from Madison (Hoffman) and 1 from Jefferson (Hoffman). That's 45-18 Owens, with 18 unaccounted for.

Update 10--Less than 10,000 absentees: From xtrarich in the comments:

There were more than 10,000 absentee votes sent out before the election and some 5,800 were returned and must be counted. More absentee ballots, if sent before the deadline, could still be received.

Many of these ballots have already been counted. Less than 2,000 Fort Drum military ballots. That is another good sign for Owens.

Update 9--Military absentees will skew toward Scozzafava: As lord_mike notes in the comments, keep in mind that Scozzafava was still in the race before absentee ballots were sent in. As such, those ballots will not necessarily favor Hoffman.

Update 8--Owens will be ahead after tonight: Owens will be ahead after tonight, even with 4 precincts from St. Lawrence county not likely to report until tomorrow due to voting machine problems. The question is how far ahead he will be before the 10,000 absentees are counted. Right now, his margin is 4,175 votes, which would be enough.

Update 7--Remaining Precincts: There are 91 precincts left to report. This includes 46 St. Lawrence county (Owens), 15 in Lewis (Hoffman), 3 left in Madison (Hoffman), 1 left in Jefferson (Owens), and 3 left to report in Franklin (Owens). There are also about 20-23 from other counties, but their websites are down. That is 50-18 Owens, meaning that it still looks good for him as long as the absentees aren't a landslide.

Update 6--I spoke too soon: Now Hoffman is closing, and perhaps I spoke too soon:

There are more than 10,000 absentee votes to still be counted.

Turnout so far is just under 120,000.

With Fort Drum in the district--the only place in the country where snow-based training for Afghanistan occurs--this is an extremely heavy military district. Those absentees will send this contest into overtime.

Update 5--Now Highly likely Owens will win: This is going to upset a lot of teabaggers, but it is now highly likely that Owens will win. 52 of the remaining 153 precincts are from St Lawrence county, which Obama won by 16%.

Update 4--County level results: You can see the county results here.

Update 3--Albany Project calls it for Owens (with about 70% in): The Albany Project has called it for Owens, based on many of the remaining votes coming from Democratic St Lawrence county.

Update 2 (with about 31% in): It turns out that most of these results are from Clinton county, which is the most Democratic part of the district. Expect Hoffman to close, and possibly take the lead, before long.

Update: For some context, there are three very Democratic counties (as least as far as Presidential voting is concerned) in the northern part of the district, two lean Republican counties in the western part, and a very Republican county in the southern part. I have no idea which of these have reported so far. If these numbers are from the Democratic areas, it probably won't be enough for Owens to win.

Chris Bowers :: NY-23 Results--Democrat Owens Wins

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Yippee ! (4.00 / 4)
I'm happy to report that the progressive Democrat Don Moore won our City Council Presidency here in Hudson, NY.  Small potatoes for y'all, but a big deal for us locals....

do we have any idea which areas (4.00 / 2)
have already reported?

I would be stunned if Owens pulled this out. I was expecting Hoffman by 15 percent.

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Why? (0.00 / 0)
Nothing in the polls or even the trendlines should have given an indication of a 15% win.    3-5% for Hoffman, sure but not 15%.

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this race may not matter much in and of itself (0.00 / 0)
but it sure has been interesting to watch.

If Owens wins, (4.00 / 3)
I hope there will be a camera crew on hand wherever Sarah Palin is, so we will all be able to watch her choke on it.

27% reporting (4.00 / 2)
And the 51% lead is holding.  Did the undecideds who were supporting Scozza all go to Owens?

Ambinder reports that GOP is VERY nervous right now (4.00 / 1)
http://twitter.com/MarcAmbinder

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REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


someone at (0.00 / 0)
redState has reported that Owens has been declared the winner. Considering the source, I'm not sure it means anything...

Albany project reports 44% in... (0.00 / 0)
...with a similar win percentage...

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Not win, but leading.... (0.00 / 0)
Don't want to jinx it!

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Don't mean to hijack... (0.00 / 0)

 ....but our progressive mayoral candidate narrowly lost in Frederick. :( We didn't expect that, though the race never got formally polled, so who knows if we ever had the lead anyway.

 The good news is that 4 of the 5 new aldermen are Democrats. (The current board is 3-2 Dem.) All of the incumbents were voted out, including a major wingnut.

 The new Republican mayor isn't a teabagger type -- he's a nice guy; I've met him. Small business owner who buys into the "Republicans are better for business" meme.

Go Owens!

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


NYT Reporting (0.00 / 0)
With 62% reporting:

Bill Owens (D) 45,654 - 49.3%  
Doug Hoffman (C) 42,142 - 45.5%    
Dede Scozzafava (R) - 4,876 - 5.3%

http://elections.nytimes.com/2...

http://www.ProgressFlorida.org


More details.... (4.00 / 1)
The mood is getting darker at NY-23 Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman's election party. Results from Jefferson County-Republican territory that John McCain carried-show Owens in the lead. And the Syracuse suburbs-Madison, Oswego, and Oneida County-are not showing the blowouts that early polling suggested. The first results from Oswego show Hoffman at 2800, Owens at 2000, and Scozzafava at 324. The final Siena poll had Hoffman leading Democrat BIll Owens 51-28 in this region.

http://washingtonindependent.c...

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Update (0.00 / 0)
Owens: 50,884
Hoffman: 47,166 votes.  

Hoffman down to 10% on Intrade... (0.00 / 0)
...not that it means anything at all... but, obviously the mood has soured on the teabagger...

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District-wide voter reg stats (0.00 / 0)
Hilarious... (4.00 / 4)
This was probably about the best possible thing that could happen in this race... Not really looking forward to having another blue dog, but basically we had:

1) Teabaggers going nuts and completely energized after taking out the GOP candidate (which probably has them training their sites on "moderate" GOP candidates across the country like Crist)

2) A moderate Democrat winning anyway (as it looks now).

Sucks that we lost the Governors races tonight and really hoping that marriage equality holds up in Maine, but this result will probably have the biggest national impact for next year (which would've been true irregardless of the result, but I suppose we get the added benefit of actually beating a tea-bagger if this holds up).


Yeah... (0.00 / 0)
It sucked to lose the races but lets be honest... 1) Deeds was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible race while McDonnell ran a very good campaign and essentially pandered to the NOVA suburbanites, which is how Kaine, Warner, Webb and Obama all won.  Plus there is the historical factor of the last 40 years of the governor being the opposite party of the President.

2) Corzine was in DEEP shit from the beginning.    I remember that race looking like a 10-15% loss.    He wasn't that good of a governor.

The other thing is that according to exit polling very few voted as a referendum on Obama.   In fact his support levels in NJ and VA are the same as his election wins of 57% and 51% respectively.  CNN has a whole story on it.


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and we only lost one seat in the Assembly (4.00 / 1)
which was an open seat. Democratic Assembly candidates in red and purple districts won. Christie had no coat-tails and this was plainly an anti-Corzine vote.

Too bad no one was brave enough to primary him, though it's understandable.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


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any chance this guy is a yes vote on the house health-care reform bill? (0.00 / 0)
how about the reproductive rights fights in the bill?

This thing won't be called for weeks.... (0.00 / 0)
The House will have their vote on a bill way before he arrives...

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REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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conference bill house vote? (0.00 / 0)


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were the Dems pushing absentee ballots? (0.00 / 0)
and was Hoffman's campaign? In some states Republicans don't do much on the early voting front.

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Hopefully, the military absentees.... (4.00 / 2)
...will have a lot of DeDe voters instead of Hoffman... after all, she was the leader up until late last week.  

We also don't know if the Dems had good absentee vote operation like they did with Murphy...

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REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


TPM says Absentees come from Owens counties... (4.00 / 1)
So... seems like they should pad the lead rather than shrink it?

Ha ha!! (0.00 / 0)
I figured they would do what Murphy did and do a strong drive with absentees... that's the heart of the Democratic "new way"!  It has worked very well for us almost everywhere!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
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REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Can someone familiar break out the slide rule? (0.00 / 0)
1) When did the absentee ballots have to be in?

2) What is the mean of the bell curve for days prior to an election when absentee ballots are usually sent?

3) What have the absentee results been in previous years?

The answer to the above will give you the winner:


absentees often vote early ... (4.00 / 1)
... so I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of absentee votes are for Scozzafava, if they were cast before she dropped.

She dropped out on Saturday, (4.00 / 1)
so few if any absentee votes would have be mailed After she withdrew.

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NOT 10,000 Absentee ballots (4.00 / 2)
Watertown Daily Times reports

There were more than 10,000 absentee votes sent out before the election and some 5,800 were returned and must be counted. More absentee ballots, if sent before the deadline, could still be received.

Therefore, there are unlikely to be more than 8,000 total absentee ballots returned.  Even with this conservative (high) estimate, I think it is highly unlikely that in a 3-way races (as it was when absentee ballots votes occured) that Hoffman would have a margin of 3000+ votes.  That would require 6k for Hoffman and only 2K for Owens, and that is assuming ZERO for Scozafavva.


Fox News calls it for Owens.... (0.00 / 0)
Nice!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


Called (4.00 / 2)
News nets (incl. Fox) calling NY-23 for Owens

In one year (4.00 / 1)
if you would be happy with split results

GOTV has to start now.

It has to have the character of a crusade (because that's what it is).


Nice visual of what an UPSET looks like (4.00 / 2)
check out this graphic from Intrade to see what a real upset looks like.  

http://data.intrade.com/graphi...

From 90% to zero in a few hours.


wow (4.00 / 1)
So much for the infallible markets. Not that I predicted it either.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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Hoffman is conceding too (4.00 / 2)
so Owens will be Congress sooner than we expected.

This is great, this brings the Democratic majority to 258...pad, you know, it'll take 42 seats for the GOP to win back the majority.

Ain't happening.


Democrats should be looking to add (0.00 / 0)
especially with a new round of stimulus.

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