DNC Treats LGBT Community As Awkward Party Crasher

by: Adam Bink

Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 22:49


John Aravosis has the story. Here's a leaked e-mail from Andy Tobias, DNC Treasurer, to donors:

1. An email went out asking activists to make calls to New Jersey. It was insensitive not to omit Mainers from that email. I apologize that no one thought to do that. I can't imagine it could have cost No On One even a dozen votes, but I still wish someone would have thought of this in time to catch it. Mistake noted.

2. A different email went out to Mainers urging them to vote. As the only thing of substance anyone was voting on in Maine was Question One, and as Democratic activists vote our way, this was a small but positive effort to be helpful.

I would have liked to see that email discuss No One One directly, in case there may have been an email-enabled Organizing for America activist someplace in Maine who did NOT know where Maine Democrats stood on this issue. (Out of the country without Internet access until the night before the election?) But I'm told there was concern that advocating specifically for a ballot initiative, whether LGBT or otherwise, would set a precedent for every other ballot initiative. Bureaucracies are nervous about setting precedents.

So a couple of things:

  • John was in Maine with me the last couple of days, and I spoke with him while all this was going on and he was getting responses from the DNC. We now know that the DNC official either deliberately lied or misled John to squash the story, or the DNC official hastily and stupidly spoke to him without the later facts (that it was a glitch). Either way, it's fucked up.

  • I spoke with another DNC official today after my piece on the OFA's fuckups/refusals to help, and that official told me "Some Mainers inadvertently got the email, but it was not sent to our Maine list." I was also told that this was a "glitch", and the quote above confirms that. Okay, one might think, a glitch is your system has a few people with the wrong zip codes in them, so they get a blast meant for someone else. Whoops. Fine. That's not actually what happened. What happened, per Tobias' e-mail, is the DNC did a large e-mail blast on this, and wanted to make sure Mainers didn't get that e-mail, for fear that the gays might find out and ask, how come we didn't get this kind of help?

    It's kind of like being forwarded a party invite the host doesn't want you to come to, and when you show up, everyone gets silent and it's a-w-k-w-a-r-d. The party, in this case, was electoral help, and OFA wanted to make sure people didn't find out it was being grossly insensitive by not extending an invitation to the gays in Maine. Awesome.

  • Andy Tobias needs a serious date with electoral organizing reality. He wrote of the insensitivity, "I can't imagine it could have cost No On One even a dozen votes". Just like the White House saying "but but but we invite them to conference calls!" over the "internet left fringe" comment, this misses the point by a mile, and belies a misunderstanding of how campaigns work.

    The point is that mobilizing Maine OFA members could have done wonders for the campaign. If Maine OFA members had been mobilized to canvass, give, phonebank, and other activities at different points in the campaign, then we absolutely would have picked up well over a dozen votes. I remember going to Arlington, VA to volunteer the weekend before Election Day 2008. They turned me away because they had more volunteers than they needed. In Maine, there were canvass sites on the weekend before Election Day that did not have enough volunteers in them.

    I personally know both of the leaders at DriveforEquality and TravelforChange, who worked insane hours to collect donated airline miles, set up ActBlue donation pages, and coordinate logistics of hotel rooms, rides, etc. to get volunteers from other states into Maine. People wouldn't have had to take time off work and spend money to travel to a corner of the nation if OFA mobilized Mainers to help in their own state. They didn't.

  • Andy seems to mock LGBT complaints in his #3 point by saying it would have been nice to ask Mainers to vote No "in case there may have been an email-enabled Organizing for America activist someplace in Maine who did NOT know where Maine Democrats stood on this issue. (Out of the country without Internet access until the night before the election?)"

    Again, Andy, you're missing the point. One of the biggest priorities for this campaign in an off-year election was turning out young voters, and that was no secret. Lots of OFA activists are young people. I've organized GOTV for young people in 2004 at my alma mater. Young people don't vote just because they know where Maine Dems stand on the issue or they get a bland OFA e-mail reminding them to vote. College students vote after you've given them 25 reasons to, dorm-stormed, called them, set up voter reg tables in the student union, set up shuttle buses to polling places (which the No On 1 campaign did at UM-Orono), have Dave Matthews Band perform at their campus to encourage voting, and basically drag them kicking and screaming to do it. If you want to win campaigns, you have to mobilize people, not just send them an e-mail and pat yourself on the back.

    So rolling your eyes and saying "but OFA activists knew where Maine Dems stood on the issue anyway, and we sent them an e-mail, so what's all the fuss about" is irresponsible.

  • The "concern" that getting involved in ballot initiatives would force them to get involved in every initiative is false. As John pointed out, the DNC sent $25,000 to the No On 8 campaign in CA. President Carter came out against the Briggs Initiative in 1978. I'm sure there are more examples of the party getting involved in ballotland. And what's more, we're talking about an e-mail here, people. Not multiple campaign stops, which Obama gave Corzine and Deeds. Not vast organizing on a grand scale. E-mails.

It is getting harder and harder to give LGBT people a good reason to actively support this Administration and the DNC. I, for one, would like to see an apology from the DNC over all this.

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the sell out makes sense in the context of (4.00 / 1)
never putting any real effort into single payer, nevermind insisting on a non-bullshit public option,

and in the context of handing AIG & Goldman whatever the fuck summers and bernake and geitner wanted,

and in hte context of spending 100,000,000 a day on chasing poppy plants in bananastan,

ariana huffington ( I do NOT trust as far as I can spit) wrote about the "Timidity of Governing" the other day - her observations were spot on.

Obama and Clinton have a LOT in common - they did NOT come 2nd or 3rd or 15th generation high profile power family - they came from nothing and they made it to the ivys and they leared to get along to go along ...

and a LOT of promise is pissed away.

rmm.


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Sorry, but I think you're overblowing this (4.00 / 2)
John, I'm not so surprised, he enjoys overblowing things.

I was in Maine working with No on 1 and everyone I met had been part of Obama's campaign. In Bar Harbor, I canvassed alongside a former OFA staffer who lived in Ellsworth. The campaign was well staffed and well organized. OFA and the White House weren't responsible to run the No on 1 campaign.

College students vote after you've given them 25 reasons to, dorm-stormed, called them, set up voter reg tables in the student union, set up shuttle buses to polling places (which the No On 1 campaign did at UM-Orono), have Dave Matthews Band perform at their campus to encourage voting, and basically drag them kicking and screaming to do it. If you want to win campaigns, you have to mobilize people, not just send them an e-mail and pat yourself on the back.

This was No on 1's job, not the White House, not the national Democratic Party, and from my POV, No on 1 did that and did that flawlessly and still lost...I don't see what the complaint is? That OFA didn't do a job No on 1 did anyway?

This just screams of John looking to start shit.  


OFA help (4.00 / 5)
1. Just because you meet a single former OFA staffer who decides to volunteer doesn't mean OFA was amazingly helpful.

2. Mobilizing college students is the campaign's responsibility. That doesn't absolve the responsibility of progressive allies to help. Are you saying progressive allies shouldn't help do relatively minor things like segment a list, write copy, get it approved, and click send? I do that for a number of groups and it's really not that hard. My point is that Tobias claims OFA did its job because they sent a bland GOTV e-mail. They didn't. There is a lot of other help that could have been lent.

And by the way, we're talking about e-mails here. Not presidential campaign visits or million dollar donations. How much would it have cost them to send an e-mail asking for a No vote, or a single e-mail asking people to volunteeer?


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And by the way (4.00 / 4)
Obama campaigned for Deeds and Corzine. OFA helped Corzine and Deeds in a number of ways. I live in DC and I personally got e-mails to take action to suport them, as did Mainers. Yet when I ask for what's given to other allies, I'm told it's No On 1's responsibility to do it themselves?


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Can you name another ballot issue (4.00 / 2)
OFA got involved in?  

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Given that (4.00 / 3)
This is the first year OFA existed as part of the DNC apparatus, they don't have a lot of history. But that misses the point. OFA is an arm of the DNC. When Obama is gone, OFA may be too, and the DNC/Democratic Administrations will still exist. So the organization to focus on here is the DNC, and see my post for a short list of ballot initiatives the DNC/Democratic Administrations was involved in


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I think its possible (4.00 / 2)
that Aravosis is looking to start shit and overblowing things, but that OFA should have done more.  

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Totally possible. (0.00 / 0)
Everybody who reads the A-Blog has to be aware that Aravosis can be a hysterical drama queen sometimes. He's still a good guy who gets lots of things accomplished, though. Nobody's perfect.

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Brad pls check your rating for my other comment, pls. (0.00 / 0)
Probably an accident, but just in case: Other than DKos, at OpenLeft we reserve TRs for really trollish, insulting or obscene comments. My comment doesn't fit either description. Pls correct the rating.

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Obama, Blacks... (1.33 / 9)
...don't like gays. That's a fact. They don't like their black gays. They don't like gays in general.

Organized blacks like their Christian, anti-gay beliefs more than supporting the millions of gays that supported them during the 70s, 80s, 90s, and who got their black man elected president in 2008.

Blacks betrayal of gays is undeniable. Obama's betrayal of gays is unforgivable.

When I marched on Washington in 1979 as a twenty-two year old man, I chanted what the chant-leaders said: "Gay, straight, black, white, same struggle, same fight." I believed it. I thought we were all in this together.

In the last two years I've had visits from black folks representing their Christian churches and when I asked them "where does your church stand on equality for gay men and women?," all they could tell me was that they pitied me. This is here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. They put to lie the chants I was given by "progressive" leaders of the march I attended when I was much younger.

Mr. Obama, by his lack of action has proved to me that blacks are opportunists, no less than those that abused them for hundreds of years. I feel betrayed.

Obama has failed to deliver for gays. He knows it. He doesn't care.


The other day my grandmother asked me (4.00 / 2)
not to vote for Bill Thompson, she said "black people are opportunists"

she's a teabagger. you're in good company.

BTW, the black population of Maine is 1%.  


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That's a point. However... (0.00 / 0)
..nothing in Neal's rant shows he's speaking about Maine. As I see it, he's just voicing his frustration about the lack of solidarity by African Americans in general. And polls show this point isn't exactly without merit.

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WTF? (4.00 / 7)
"Mr. Obama, by his lack of action has proved to me that blacks are opportunists"

WTF? Good thing you aren't pre-judging an entire group of people by the actions of some people. This comment is bullshit stereotyping.


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Three people recc'd tbat comment (4.00 / 2)
some progressives.  

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Five people TRed that comment. (0.00 / 0)
Some liberals.

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Well, Nesal certainly should have been more diplomatic, but... (2.00 / 2)
...that African Americans have a high level of prejudices against gays has been confirmed time and again in countless polls and studies. Just ignoring this sad fact doesn't make it go away.

And imho you shouldn't have TRed that comment. There's no four letter words in it, no personal attacks, and it's no hate speech, either. The main problem seems to be that you and some others don't like the opinion of the author. But we have always took the stance here that this isn't valid reason for a TR, so I think you should reconsider this.


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Some facts (4.00 / 2)
"70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds"
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...

"Sixty-percent of Jews supported gay marriage in the poll. And opposition was far stronger among African-Americans than whites, according to the poll."
http://empirezone.blogs.nytime...

"It says Asian-Pacific Islanders showed the highest rate of support for gay marriage or civil unions at 55 percent. Support among whites was at 46 percent, among Latinos at 35 percent and among blacks at 23 percent."
http://www.sovo.com/2008/7-18/...

"Black opposition to gay marriage remains strong"
http://www.washblade.com/2008/...

"Black clergy opposing gay marriage resent civil rights comparision"
http://www.buffalonews.com/hom...

"Last month's Winthrop/ETV poll of African Americans in South Carolina found that 74% view "sex between two adults of the same sex" as "unacceptable," with 62% calling it "strongly unacceptable.""
http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

etc etc etc

And pls read this excellent column by Byron Williams:
"African-American Community Should Embrace Gay Rights"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Of course, this is only one side of the medal, African Americans are also more likely than the average Joe to acknowledge the dsicrimination of gay at the workplace, there's also a positive trend among the younger generation, and concerned community leaders like Byron Williams work hard to fight the prejudices, but Neal still has a point, even though he should have been much more careful not to put everyone in the same drawer. But we here in the reality based community should accept the facts, discuss ways to change the reality, and not simply censor orpinions we don't like.


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Chris, Calivin, et al, would you pls point out what is TR-worthy in this? (0.00 / 0)
You may not like this oppinion, sure. I think it's over the top, too, especially the part about Obama. However, there are countless polls that show that homophobia is more widespread among African Americans than among the nation in general.

Regardless, there is nothing in this that is a personal attack on anyone present here, no four letter words, either, so to me this looks like honest opiinion, delivered in a reasonable tone, and you all just don't like it. According to our established consensus here, time and again, that's no valid reason to TR this.

And I'm especially disappointed about you, Chris...


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let's see (4.00 / 2)
Obama,blacks don't like gays

That's not a personal attack?

Mr. Obama, by his lack of action has proved to me that blacks are opportunists, no less than those that abused them for hundreds of years.

When someone says that blacks are opportunists, that's not a personal attack? Sorry if I take stuff like that personally, my fault.


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Only a personal attack on Obama, and an unfair generalization. (0.00 / 0)
And we don't TR generalistions here. You're totally free t state that Germans are holier than though smartasses, nobody would TR that, but of course I would call you to task for this.

Really, if we would be so nitpicking here about comments, our threaqds would be full of TRs, just like DKos, and the hide feature would become totally useless. More tolerance, pls, even if it hurts.


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Thanks, NealB2 (4.00 / 1)
For the prompt to go back and look at Ta-Nehisi Coates remarks about Blacks and Proposition 8 in California.  For anyone else who might benefit, a link to my search results.  I found this particular post especially helpful.  That doesn't make the response of some Blacks to LBGT issues any more palatable, but it's useful to remember that prejudice is a human characteristic and, from the comments to that piece, the observation, Oppression isn't ennobling. It doesn't--in and of itself--make you more enlightened.

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"It is getting harder and harder to give LGBT people a good reason to actively support this Administration and the DNC." (4.00 / 8)
I think many people (not just in the gay community) are finding it harder and harder to actively support this administration.

Adam ... (4.00 / 3)
it is obvious .. if you look at this along with health care .. Digby had a great piece the other day about Bart Stupak and his band of Democratic reactionaries trying to kill HCR over the abortion issue ... and she provided a quote .. from a time before .. where Obama chickened out .. by basically not even wanting to touch the issue .. because he's afraid of the whole culture war nonsense(kinda makes sense now .. all his votes of present during his Ill. State Senate days) .. it's the same way with LGBT rights .. he won't touch it with a ten-foot pool when push comes to shove .. he's even worse than John Edwards ... If you remember .. he was uncomfortable with those issues .. and it took a kick in the pants from Elizabeth to take the right stand

Just part of a pattern (4.00 / 4)
From Rick Warren to appointing a guy to head the DNC, Tim Kaine, that doesn't even support civil unions to today the pattern is the same.  Ignore LesBiGay issues and act like we don't exist unless we get uppity and then we get a private interview to assure us one day they will do something.  As soon as things calm down its back to ignoring we exist.  

I wish I didn't believe this, but.... (4.00 / 8)
Regardless of the merit of Adam's specific complaint, one thing is clear enough, at least to me. The culture wars are real, and they aren't going away. Angry white right-wingers waving guns won't be any more successful in intimidating us than will non-enforcement or selective enforcement of the law. We simply aren't going to get back in the box they've prepared for us, no matter how far down that road they want to go. They should have learned that at Gettysburg, or Appomattox Court House, or a hundred years later in Birmingham. Since they apparently didn't, they're going to have to learn it again.

I suspect that Obama and his advisors think that there's no upside to a black president taking sides in these wars, especially if he intends to accomplish anything substantive. It's a view that I'm sympathetic to, but I don't share it. A house divided against itself cannot stand. It's as true now as when another President reluctant to accept the implications of what he knew to be true said it at another turbulent moment in our history. President Obama can ignore this truth if he wants to, but ignoring it won't make it go away.

Adam, I wouldn't be too hurt by any snub, real or imagined, from the Democratic Party establishment. The issues we face have already gone far beyond trying to keep impatient people from tipping over the White House china cabinet, whether the DNC would have it so or not.


Obama Fans of America (4.00 / 3)
are not our friends. They simply aren't. Progressives need to recognize this fact and plan accordingly.

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Uh, "Montani Semper Liberi", Sadie? (0.00 / 0)
What does this mean? With my very limited understanding of Latin (never learned that at school), I translate this as "Mountains are always free". Right?

Hmm, what's your point, Sadie?


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It's the state motto of West Virginia. (4.00 / 5)
It means "mountain people are always free."

There are three levels of meaning, for me. The first is that my ancestry is predominately Appalachian. Hillbillies, ridgerunners, and all that implies. The second is derived from that -- the idea that people who are comfortable living in the margins are difficult to control. The third is one I figured out only recently, from Paul Rosenberg's post on "ridgelines and riverbeds." If mountains and ridgelines are a metaphor for principles, then the motto means people who are guided by principles are always free.

What it means to the state of West Virginia I cannot say.

Montani semper liberi


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The leadership isn't an ally (0.00 / 0)
That's because it's the remain of Obama's campaign, and Obama's campaign was barely more progressive than his presidency.

Their supporter base, on the other hand, is made up of rock-solid progressives. By all means expect the leadership to betray you - frankly progressives should expect leaders to betray them almost constantly - but the planning against this necessarily needs to involve finding ways to still reach out to OFA's footsoldiers.

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Btw, was the communication between the DNC and LGBT groups... (0.00 / 0)
...better during Dean's term, Adam? I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. Imho it was a dire mistake that the Dems led Obama hijack the DNC and abandon its successful 50 state strategy. I'm sure this will become a problem in 2010.

Not to worry (4.00 / 1)
Obama will be there for the LGBT community at the next fund raiser. He'll give you a pretty speech in exchange for your money and your vote.

Would it have made a difference? (0.00 / 0)
They couldn't deliver NJ or Va.



Maine is bluer than both (0.00 / 0)
There wasn't Deeds terrible campaign. There wasn't Corzine's crushing unpopularity. The yes on 1 campaign was incoherent.

Maybe OFA wouldn't have tipped the balance, but Maine is a secular enough state that the race was winnable. In that context OFA's uselessness is yet another example of inexcusable timidity and refusal to fight from the Obama organisation.

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