An Interview With PEER's Jeff Ruch--Pt 1

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Nov 07, 2009 at 13:00


Whistleblowers Experience A Bush Third Term

Jeff Ruch is executive director of  Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). I interviewed him in response to an October 30 email PEER sent out, "Why Whistleblowers Are Worse Off Since The Inauguration". Because I'm on PEER's media email list, I've aware of the general tenor of how little seems to have changed in their world below the radar of most political reporting.  Public employees trying to fulfill their duty to protect the environment and public health, through their own actions, and through informing others--citizens and government officials alike--had a very hard time under the Bush Administration.  With the Obama Adminstration, they were expecting, as promised "Change We Can Believe In".  That change has yet to come.

This email spoke about the general pattern of inaction and frustration that has set in, and it  seemed to be the perfect time to take a closer look, with a broader focus than just one case in isolation.  As I suspected, the picture painted by Jeff Ruch in this interview is one that provides greater specificity for the more general sense of disconnect between Obama's campaign promises and how his Administration has governed so far.  While the issues PEER deals with a vitally important in themselves, the insight into a more general pattern of how the Obama Administration operates makes this interview even more valuable.  Because of the interview length (over 5,000 words), I've divided it into two parts.  The first part introduces PEER, what it does, how it works, and the general problems that have emerged with the Obama Administration.  Part two gets into greater detail, focusing on two high-profile whistleblowers PEER is defending, as well as discussing some of the problems involving EPA and the coal industry.

Paul Rosenberg :: An Interview With PEER's Jeff Ruch--Pt 1
Open Left: To begin with, PEER is not generally a household name.  Can you briefly describe what PEER is, and what you do?

Jeff Ruch: PEER is a service organization for public employees. working on environmental issues On essence we ask as a giant shelter for battered staff that work in agencies like EPA, the Fish & Wildlife Service, the Bureau of Land Management, as well as state, local, and tribal agencies.

The typical PEER intake is a specialist of some kind who is under political pressure to either not do his job, or facing retaliation for doing his job  too well. So at the moment when there's a conflict between a public employee's career and their conscience is when we usually get the call for help.

OL: And when were you founded?

Jeff Ruch: We were founded in 1993.  So we're in our 16th year, going on 17.

We came out of an organization that was doing work in the forest service. And PEER was founded to take what's really employees activism outside of that one agency, and take it nationally, because the way we operate is that we're completely intake driven, All of our work comes from employees, all the information comes from employees. Were just the way that they can beet serve the public when they can't do it on their day job.

Typical of the way we work, we protect whistleblowers and we provide legal representation for them. We strive to help employees avoid be put in the situation where they are whistleblowers. We talk about ways to deliver the message without the messenger, and symbolically the way we operate is the one product we sell, which is on our website, is underwear. Boxer shorts that say undercover activists on the back. And our logo on the leg so you can safely wear them to work.

Because in many instances the source of the information is completely irrelevant to the internal documents that show official malfeasance. And so, if you can confront the agency with some malfeasance. in a way that doesn't allow them to easily change the subject, which they would if there's a source, they would change the subject to whether the source was disgruntled or whether it was a good employee, or they could make up things to try to discredit the source.  If you force them to focus on the message, then it's much more efficient.

From the point of view of employees that come to PEER, there's some sort of underlying disconnect an environmental or public health issue.  And if we can focus the pushback on the issue, or as we say, if you're going to fight the agency, the last place to fight them is form within your own personnel jacket.  So that's a lot of the methodology of what we do.

Having said that, there are instances where scientists and other specialists get in trouble before they realize it.  And often their instinct is because they're the specialist, and they know they're right, they think that if they run into political interference that if they just can elevate it to a higher level within the agency, then everything will be resolved

Oft-times, in the people who come to us, by elevating it they've actually themselves have  been plunged deeper into their won career inferno. And so they typically call us at the moment they realize their own chain of command is the problem.

So those are the people we hear from.

OL: How do you differ, and how do you overlap in terms of the issues and concerns you work on compared to some other groups people may be more familiar with?

Jeff Ruch: We work on a whole array of environmental issues.  The thing that's different about us is that our target ecosystem, our key resource is the employee. So we're entirely directed by public employees and the issues they bring to us range from genetic engineering to global warming. And when we are working with them, we then reach out to groups that are working on those issues so they can take advantage of this information that is often inside validation of their outside criticism.

And for that same reason, a number of the employees are brought to us by environmental organizations. So, these organizations do good work, but the Sierra Club, Environmental Defense, the other groups, NRDC, they have environmental missions, but it's outside of their mission to protect employees. They often, in working on issues have their own inside sources, and there is not infrequently a time when that source says to them, "if I give you this key smoking gun document, what happens to me?"

And frankly they're not empowered, they're not really authorized to defend the employee. That's when they bring them to us, because that's what we do.

And so a lot of our alliances are from groups that want to take advantage of what these public servants are saying, but don't realize they are in no way prepare to handle consequence of the collateral damage form directly working with them.  

OL: Last Friday, you sent out a press release, "Why Whistleblowers Are Worse Off Since The Inauguration". This raises a number of questions.  First off, what is the importance of whistleblowers-and why should the public care?

Jeff Ruch: Whistleblowers in this context are public servants, and in blowing the whistle they are trying to communicate with their true employers, the public.  They work in agencies, but they don't work for agencies.  They work for the public.  And so whistleblowers are usually the way that the media and public and Congress learn about misconduct, waste of funds, threats to public health and safety, everything from conditions of the air in places like the World Trade Center to problems in Libby Montana where hundreds of people have died, you sort of go down through the list of debacles, and usually the way they first came to light was because someone blew the whistle.  So whistleblowers are in many cases society's first line of defense.

And in government agencies, theoretically they are supposed to be protected.  There's something known as the Whistleblower Protection Act, and a number of other specific statutes that in essence say we want public servants to be able to freely communicate with Congress or with inspector generals or other entities. The problem is those laws aren't very well enforced.

OL: Second, how were they treated during the Bush Administration?

Jeff Ruch: The Bush Administration was noted for a very strict command-control direction from the White House, and almost a mania on message control. And that meant that any information that was off-message, let alone contradicted the message had to be suppressed or change.  And so as a result, the Bush years became renowned for, for example in the area of science, having political appointees who were non-scientists re-write scientific documents to coincide with agreed-upon political ends.  In many instances you're talking about documents on the effects of climate change, the causes of climate change, as well as endangered species, even reproductive health, and things like that, that bore on a conservative social agenda were re-written so as to not offend the "base."

And the Bush Administration was also renowned for going after people who openly spoke out, unless they were so well insulated they couldn't be fired. So there was really a spike of incidents where people were targeted for their candor.

OL: Third, how have things gotten worse since the inauguration?

Jeff Ruch: The main reason that things have gotten worse is that no one is in charge.  We're still, almost a year now after the election, with many of the agencies still running with the  managers [put] in place by the Bush Administration. You've got a number of holdover whistleblower cases, people who blew the whistle on the Bush Administration, whose cases are still in litigation, and they're being basically litigated by the Obama Justice Department and other agency lawyers the not only work for the Obama Administration. Because nobody's in charge, the prosecution of these whistleblowers is running on automatic pilot, with nobody in power to turn it off.  And at the same time, beside those "holdover cases", you have new instances in the last several months where holdover managers have use the transition period to take action people who either blew the whistle before, or blew the whistle now.  So we have new case that have popped up in just the last few months in which the deciding officials were holdover managers, and you have new Obama appointees who either weren't in place or hadn't even got a chance to warm their swivel chairs.

OL: How would you explain this?  What's the primary thing responsible?  Is it inattention?  Is it benign neglect?

Jeff Ruch: We don't think this is a priority of the Obama Administration.  We've pointed out that the only time as President the Obama has spoken about the need to protect whistleblowers was when he spoke to the Parliament of Ghana.  He hasn't spoken about it in a domestic agenda.  His administration, for the most part, has opposed reform legislation that the Democrats in Congress have been trying to enact for the past five years, and which, when he was in Congress, he supported. And also, there's a key position called the special counsel, who is sort of the policeman of the merit system.  It's a place where whistleblowers can go to try to obtain relief or to force investigation of wrongdoing that they've disclosed.  That position has been vacant since December, when President Bush fired his own appointee for misconduct, and we're approaching a year of that office being vacant, and the Obama has not even nominated anyone. And this is a confirmed position, so [it's] almost certain no one is going to be in place in 2009.  So to the extent they don't even think it's important to appoint a special counsel to protect whistleblowers, it suggests that it's very, very low on their priority list.

OL: Going back, again to not supporting legislation he supported when he was in Congress.  Can you say more about that?

Yeah, There's been an attempt for the last few years to strengthen the whistleblower Protection Act, And That legislation has never made it to the President's desk, and for the most part it was hampered not only by Republican control of the Congress, or by when the Democrats took over, by opposition of the Justice Department. So in this new session, in this first year winding down, the Obama Administration has taken, in essence, the same position that the Bush Administration took, for many of the same reasons.  They've couched it not as the Bush people did, But in term of problems they'd like to work out so that the President can support it. So it's wrapped in a little sweeter package, but in terms of protections for people who work in National Security agencies, the right to jury trials, some other fundamental reforms, they're not supporting [it], and so as a result, that legislation has stalled. And hopefully will move in 2010, but the first year of the Obama Administration will have gone by and there's been no significant progress.

OL: Now I think you said before [previous to this interview] that part of the reason was that they were looking for consensus before doing anything?  Could you talk about that?

Jeff Ruch: Sure. The style of the Obama Administration has been to seek consensus among the Federal agencies before they take a position, except on a very small number of issues. But whistleblower protection is not one of the issues where they're affirmatively taking a stand, and is not one of the things about which they've issued a public statement.  And so the style is more, instead of a commander-in-chief, you have more a committee chairman.  And as long as agencies such as the Justice Department, which has to litigate against whistleblowers, objects, the Obama Administration has sort of stalled and they are not inclined to over-rule objections from among the agencies.  And so it adds to the sense they don't have a policy, and without a policy, nobody is empowered to make decisions and so it almost operates as a de facto continuation of a third Bush term.


Part 2 will be published later today.


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I hear this (4.00 / 2)
I hear this.  So many of us just don't understand why so little has changed in the 9 months since Obama took office.

My own personal indicator of "change we can believe in" is when they start to go after companies in Silicon Valley for age discrimination.  My reason for using this indicator is that I live in Silicon Valley and it is absolutely blatant here.  It is so blatant that everyone just accepts it as a given that any company can do anything they want.  Lack of government enforcing laws and regulations is just a given at this point and nothing is changing.

Here in Silicon Valley employers blatantly lay people off when they reach "a certain age," and refuse to hire anyone over that age.  When they lay people off they require them to sign a form releasing their rights to do anything about it, or not get any severance, etc. if they don't sign.  (And often they bring in low-paid H1B employees as replacements.)

The Obama administration could send a signal that rule of law is restored, but has chosen not to.  Not just with prosecuting illegal war and torture but the "little" things like age discrimination as well.  This isn't even about shying away from big political fights, it's just about restoring basic governance.

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It's All-Pervasive (0.00 / 0)
Obama appears to have virtually no interest at all in the rule of law, so far as I can see.  "Big" issues like torture & war crimes, "little" issues like age discrimination or retaliatory firings.  He's an equal opportunity ignorer.  It's just not his thing.

More and more he appears to be an new incarnation of an old-style machine politician, for whom nothing is real except political power and personal relationships.  I hope I'm wrong, of course.  But this interview served to confirm my worst fears.  He simply doesn't seem to care.  Not on his radar at all.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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How can you say that - (0.00 / 0)
Paul Rosenberg:
More and more he [Obama] appears to be an new incarnation of an old-style machine politician, for whom nothing is real except political power and personal relationships.  I hope I'm wrong, of course.  But this interview served to confirm my worst fears.  He simply doesn't seem to care.

Jeff Ruch:

The main reason that things have gotten worse is that no one is in charge.  We're still, almost a year now after the election, with many of the agencies still running with the  managers [put] in place by the Bush Administration.

Congress holds up Obama appointees at every turn, just as you seize on every opportunity for negative criticism of Obama. Is there someone out there who you think would be better at this thankless job of turning back the conservative tide in this country?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...
This link is to an article about the People for the American Way, identified as a liberal organization, documenting forces working against Obama.

Here's an article about a planned overhaul of Obama Justice Dept civil rights division.
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzo...

Note Holder's recognition of the reality of change:

To bolster a unit that has been battered by heavy turnover and a scandal over politically tinged hiring under the Bush administration, the Obama White House has also proposed a hiring spree that would swell the ranks of several hundred civil rights lawyers with more than 50 additional lawyers, a significant increase for a relatively small but powerful division of the government.

The division is "getting back to doing what it has traditionally done," Holder said in an interview. "But it's really only a start. I think the wounds that were inflicted on this division were deep, and it will take some time for them to fully heal."

The wounds that were inflicted upon this country under Bush/Cheyney are deep and will take time to heal.

Still, I'll be interested to read your Part 2 on this interview.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905


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Obama's Actions Have Been Feeble At Best (0.00 / 0)
Sure he's got a mess to clean up.  We all knew that coming in. But Obama hasn't even made a serious effort, as noted by Rauch above:

So to the extent they don't even think it's important to appoint a special counsel to protect whistleblowers, it suggests that it's very, very low on their priority list.

Furthermore, there's much more damaging things to come in part 2, particularly regarding (a) the EPA's continuing cozy relationship with the coal industry under Obama's watch and (b) Obama's record of appointing folks that industry has no problem with.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Paul, this was really interesting interview (0.00 / 0)
ps. I think one question was not labeled.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

Thanks. Fixed. (0.00 / 0)
This diary took 1/2 hour to post.  All sorts of obscure problems that Soapblox just leaves you guessing about all showed up at once.  By the end, I had neither time nor presence of mind for a careful check of anything.  I was just thankful that it let me publish the thing!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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