Senate Outlook, 11/17: Republican net gain of four (again)

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 00:00


Since the last update on November 4th, a few new polls have resulted in some minor alterations to the overall Senate forecast:

  • California has tightened up a bit, but that is because of polls that fell out of the average, not because of any new polling showing Republican improvement.

  • Connecticut remains at "solid Republican," but the rise of Linda McMahon in the Republican primary almost moves it to "lean Republican" or even "toss-up." A second poll will be needed for confirmation before a change is made, however.

  • Delaware moves from "lean Republican" to "toss-up"

  • Illinois moves from "toss-up" to "lean Republican

  • Ohio has slipped a bit closer to Republicans.

  • North Carolina has new polling, but remains in the same position as the last forecast.
All of these changes actually make no change in the overall forecast.  Now, as with two weeks ago, the most likley outcome if the election were held tomorrow is a Republican net gain of four seats.

However, the election is not held tomorrow.  It will be held in 50 weeks, making this prediction by Nouriel Roubini all the more worrying:

Based on my best judgment, it is most likely that the unemployment rate will peak close to 11% and will remain at a very high level for two years or more.

If that is the case, Democrats will be lucky to only lose four seats.

Complete Senate outlook in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Senate Outlook, 11/17: Republican net gain of four (again)
Current 2010 Senate Outlook: Net Republican Gain of 4 Seats
Republican-Held Seats
Democratic Pickups: 1-2 (One or two of Kentucky, Missouri and Ohio)
State Type Democrat Republican Margin #Polls
Ohio
OH D Primary Fisher +5.5 2
OH R Primary Portman +18.5 2
OH Open Fisher Ganley D 8.0 2
OH Open Brunner Ganley D 5.5 2
OH Open Fisher Portman D 2.3 3
OH Open Brunner Portman R 0.3 3
Missouri
MO Open Carnahan Blunt* D 1.5 2
Kentucky
KY D Primary Mongiardo +8.7 3
KY R Primary Grayson +7.3 3
KY Open Conway Paul D 4.5 4
KY Open Mongiardo Paul D 0.5 4
KY Open Conway Grayson R 4.3 4
KY Open Mongiardo Grayson R 6.8 4
New Hampshire
NH Open Hodes* Ayotte* R 7.3 3
Louisiana
LA Incumbent Melancon Vitter R 11.0 2
North Carolina
NC Incumbent Marshall* Burr R 12.0 6
Florida
FL R Primary Crist +20.0 4
FL Open Meek* Rubio R 8.3 3
FL Open Meek* Crist R 17.0 3
(Others to keep an eye on: Iowa, Texas)

Democratic-Held Seats
Democratic Losses: 5-6 (Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois and Nevada, plus one or two of Arkansas, Delaware and Pennsylvania)
State Type Democrat Republican Margin #Polls
Colorado
CO D Primary Bennet +14.0 1
CO Incumbent Bennet Norton* R 9.0 1
CO Open Romanoff Norton* R 8.0 1
Nevada
NV R Primary Tarkanian +8.5 2
NV Incumbent Reid Tarkanian R 6.6 3
NV Incumbent Reid Lowden R 6.6 5
Connecticut
CT R Primary Simmons +11.0 1
CT Incumbent Dodd* Simmons R 7.5 4
CT Incumbent Dodd* McMahon R 2.0 1
Illinois
IL D Primary Giannoulis +14.0 1
IL Special Hoffman Kirk* R 10.0 1
IL Special Jackson Kirk* R 4.0 1
IL Special Giannoulis Kirk* R 3.5 2
Delaware
DE Special Biden** Castle R 0.3 3
Pennsylvania
PA D Primary Sestak Specter R 17.8 5
PA Open Sestak Toomey R 1.8 5
PA Incumbent Specter Toomey D 1.3 6
Arkansas
AR R Primary ??? ??? 0
AR Incumbent Lincoln Baker R 0.3 4
AR Incumbent Lincoln Coleman D 2.5 4
AR Incumbent Lincoln Cox D 7.0 2
AR Incumbent Lincoln Hendren D 8.0 2
California
CA R Primary Fiorina +0.5 2
CA Incumbent Boxer Fiorina D 12.0 2
CA Incumbent Boxer DeVore D 13.0 2
(Others to keep an eye on: New York, North Dakota, Washington, Wisconsin)

Methodology:

  1. The forecast is entirely based on polling.

  2. For now, use the simple mean of all polls where the majority of interviews were conducted since August 15th, when the new political equilibrium began.

  3. When available, at least two polls are used for every campaign, even if the majority of their interviews were conducted  before August 15th.

  4. As the election draws closer, restrict the timeframe for polls included in the averages. During the final six weeks of an election, use the simple mean from the last 15 days.

  5. Campaigns where one party is ahead by 6.0 or more are considered "solid." Campaigns between 2.7 and 5.9 are considered "leans." Campaigns within 2.6 or less are considered "toss-ups." These categories are subject to refinement based on continued research into past elections.

  6. "Solid" and "lean" seats are considered pickups, while toss-ups are 50-50 for each party. States with mixed results will be considered 50-50 until the primary election. The overall forecast is the most likely seat change based on the current forecast.  This is also subject to refinement.

  7. Do not include Zogby Interactive polls and Columbus Dispatch polls, due to their horrendous past performance and questionable methodologies.

  8. Do not include Strategic Vision polls, as it is starting to seem likely those are not real polls.

  9. Include campaign-funded polls. Further, if there is more than one poll from a single organization, include all of them.
The basic idea is to cram as many polls with sound methodologies into the averages as possible, and weight them evenly to include more overall data in the sample. Because voter preferences don't really change that much in high-profile elections, I thought this method might produce a more accurate result through logic of regression to the mean. It seems to work pretty well, as my research has shown so far.

This is different from my 2006 and 2008 methodology in that it includes polls from 15 days out from an election, instead of only 8. Further, campaign funded polls, and multiple polls from a single polling firm, are now included. All of these changes were made to include more polls in the averages, since my previous methodology was about 10-20% less accurate than Pollster.com and fivethrityeight.com. Since they had already raised the bar so high, and since they will probably improve their methodologies for 2010 even more, it was time for Open Left to step it up.

Notes:
*= Faces primary, but heavy favorite
**= Not an announced candidate at this time


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The question is why: (4.00 / 1)
Is there something the Dems can do to undo this, or is the electorate set in stone for other reasons then analysis of the job to date?

Even if "change" was desired, and the Democrats failed to deliver, switching back to the GOP is inscrutable. Are we dealing with Obama voters such as minorities, the poor, and even left wing intellectuals lacking the discipline to win within the Constitutional system?

We have elections every two years, not every four.

This isn't new.

It is time for the usual suspects to quit being lazy, ignorant, and apathetic and get to the polling places located conveniently in their own G-D- neighborhoods!

This election is too important to leave up to the Establishment Democrats and the voters, it requires a massive, Spartan* GOTV by Progressives to win an election we ought otherwise lose based merely on organizational zeal and demographics. That will send a chill down the collective spine of the Establishment.

* in the sense of "With Our Shields Or On Them"


I still say this is more because (4.00 / 3)
of apathy among the Obama coalition than the economy or anything else...I've witnessed this personally. Someone told me a few months ago "Politics is so 2008" and that's the sense I get...complete apathy.

I think there's a good chance they come around next year and the polls begin to change rapidly next fall as the campaign goes into full gear.

But this was always the risk with the Obama coaliition; long term we get an entire generation that will make life hell for Republicans for the next half century at least...but in the short term, getting them to the polls was always going to be like herding sheep in non-presidential election years.


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we need to work on improving the choices (0.00 / 0)
many of the dem candidates are old white and rich.

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Wow that's sad (0.00 / 0)
Someone told me a few months ago "Politics is so 2008"

Yeah, because deciding who and what runs your country and, basically, your life is just a fad...

This is what we get when we have these personality- and hype-driven campaigns like Obama's was last year.  No one knows why they're voting for Obama except that it's "cool", and once the party's over they're gone.  Ignorance and apathy make for a terribly frustrating combination.


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Why? ... (4.00 / 1)
what have the Democrats done to spur us to the polls?  ... first of all .. we need LBJ reincarnate as Senate Majority Leader .. not that wimp Reid .. the Republicans should be irrelevant .. are they going to pass real HCR? .. or some watered down crap? .. are they gonna campaign on being Republican-lite(see Deeds)?

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Yeah, scared like any wife-beater (4.00 / 1)
The party must be truly shaking in fear if the response to the slow, deliberate movement of the party upward and to the right were for those toward the bottom left to work even harder to get More Democrats (tm).

The only voters that get anything out of the two-party system are those (supposedly) bounded at the left by the D party and at the right by the R party.  Most of these people are fairly low-information voters and have a negative personal economic outlook.  If your politics are outside that box, your vote is assumed and neither party has a reason to lift a finger for you.  On issues of power for the past 30 years, conservatism has gained far more than they've lost.  Look at the "left-wing" party rumbling about dismantling individual entitlements and bringing the Third World home!  When has the base of the party in power ever gotten anything but talk and moral victories, both of which cost almost nothing?  Who's been consistently getting the goods for the past 40 years?

Besides, GOTV for the D party will most likely produce one of three outcomes: more Democrats, more Republicans, or the same number of each.  From the party leadership's perspective, they're either doing it right, need to do it harder, or don't need to change a thing, respectively.  Which of these outcomes in 2010 does not validate the approach of moving up and right?

The young and idealistic have displayed their ability and willingness to mobilize when an appropriately exciting, promising candidate is on offer.  If a minor party or coalition grabs their attention, harnesses their effort and succeeds in capturing some of those "assumed" D votes -- well, I think that leaving goes a lot further to invalidating their abusive MO than rewarding them with a delicious dinner served naked, don't you?

"Overthrow Your Parents.  Free Earth 2010" I think it's pretty compelling, anyway.


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Is the IL movement... (4.00 / 1)
From including Kirk's polling? That's the only poll that I know of that put him ahead so far.

I know that we had Republican Senator from 1998-2004, but I have a hard time believing Illinoisans will so quickly turn Obama's old seat back to an R.  I guess we'll see.


Obama ran against a weak Republican (0.00 / 0)
as I remember so that is not a given is it?

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Oh, please... (4.00 / 2)
Yes, it was a weak Republican, but he didn't just win, he completely blew him out.  Unless Democrats here really sit down (which is, of course, possible), I just don't see this going to a Republican.

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You said you saw it as an unlikelihood (4.00 / 1)
but ignored the circumstances of the blow out. I have no idea whether it will go to a Republican or not, but I tired of the fantasy starting to build up. The truth is under the right conditions we don't know. So rather than denying that possibility, I think it is better to include the fact that Obama did run against a severely weakened opponent. It would be like the winner of the Va race not admitting he partially won because of a weakened Democratic opponent. Such an analysis may serve him, but not the GOP. The same here with IL and the chances of GOP winning against a Democratic if we assume the state is not obtainable by the GOP.  

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when the D's name recognition goes up (4.00 / 2)
we will be in better shape for that race. I find it hard to believe Kirk will win next year.

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California's going to be a dogfight (4.00 / 1)
Boxer will have the upper hand, but we're gonna have to expend resources here regardless. Not out of anything Boxer's done wrong, or any weakness of hers - she's been a strong progressive champion - but because 2010 is not going to be a favorable year for Dems; because Dem turnout, especially of the progressive electorate, is likely to be lower than 2008 and not helped by Jerry Brown's effort for a third term as governor; and because Carly Fiorina is, warts and all, still going to be able to raise enough money to be a real threat.

As to Washington, I don't seen how we can credibly call it anything to keep an eye on until a Republican candidate emerges. Since the only real WA Republicans with a snowball's chance are looking like they're gonna stay out of it - Dave Reichert is going to fight a close re-election battle once again in WA-08, and AG Rob McKenna has been running for governor ever since the 2008 election.

Patty Murray may very well face a token candidate, who will get his ass kicked.


Carly Fiorina a real threat? (4.00 / 2)
The woman who testified to congress that Americans don't deserve good jobs?  The woman who outsourced the kitchen sink at HP, thereby destroying it?

Please... every HP employee and retiree in America will be gunning against her.  IIRC, she made an ass out of herself many times last year for McCain as well.

If Fiorina manages to win, the end is truly near...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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the woman who doen't vote (4.00 / 1)


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I don't see Fiorina as a real threat (0.00 / 0)
First, she may not survive the primary if the teabaggers have their way.

Second, she has lots of money, but Boxer probably has even more money.

Third, there aren't any real, substantive complaints being directed at Boxer herself, unlike the other endangered Democratic incumbents (Dodd, Reid, Specter, Lincoln).  The worst people can say about her is that she's a Democrat but with Republicans controlling the Governor's office and an obstructive legislative minority they're not blame-free either.

Fourth, CA is a liberal state, and while we do regularly elect Republicans to the Governor's position it's been a long time since we've done the same for a Senate seat, and for good reason: CA is too liberal to want a Republican representing it on federal issues.  CA will tolerate Republican Governors since they can be independent and moderate, but they will not send someone to D.C. to be Mitch McConnell's stooge.

Fiorina's already losing to Boxer as a relative unknown.  As the campaign progresses and she has to explain her positions on various federal issues, I think the public will like her even less.


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like they used to (4.00 / 2)
Why is the focus still on the battle between Republicans and Democrats? Didn't the Democrats make dramatic gains in the 2006 and 2008 elections? Didn't they promise us the audacity of change?

What's changed?

Instead the focus has to be more on trading in the new blue dog Democrats for the old blue donkey sort.

Oh, and going out into the communities and organizing lesser lights like actual flesh and blood working class men and women.

For example, like they, uh, used to?


Mark my words, Reid will WIN next year. (4.00 / 1)
As I get more familiar with my new home state, the more confident I feel about Harry Reid's reelection. Why? Here 'ya go:

- Reid's work on health care, especially the public option and now progressive funding solutions, is exciting the unions. And since Culinary 226 is still one of the most powerful political forces in Nevada, he'll have the resources and GOTV necessary to win.

- The other most powerful political force in Nevada, the "Big 3 Casinos" (Harrah's, MGM Mirage, and Wynn Resorts), is also solidly behind Reid, wiping out most of the funding Republicans count on in this state.

- The Nevada GOP is still incredibly weak, with two lame@ss excuses for "candidates running against him. The last time Republicans even came close was with John Ensign (yes, that one) in 1998. And sorry, but Low-down & Baby Tark are NOT Ensign v.1998... Maybe Ensign v.2009... ;-)

- And finally, we Nevadans like having such a powerful Senator fighting for us.

The more we remember, the more likely we'll keep Reid where he needs to be. :-)

Yes, Virginia, there are progressives in Nevada.


Plus he's sitting on a war chest (0.00 / 0)
and has promised to "vaporize" his Republican opponent.

That said, his campaign will probably siphon off funds that could be going to objectively better Democrats.


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We have to look at who we're losing (4.00 / 1)
since "Democrats" aren't as relevant as "Better Democrats" or "liberals".

The losses we're projected to incur in the incumbent seats are a couple of Democrats regarded as conservative and/or weak: Michael Bennet, Harry Reid, and Blanche Lincoln.  Only Chris Dodd is a "decent" Democrat, and even for him we can't exactly say that we're totally satisfied with his performance of late.

On the other hand, we could miss out on electing a few really good Democrats to the Senate, like Jennifer Brunner and (arguably) Joe Sestak.


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