Getting back to Hyde is the wrong goal

by: Adam Bink

Thu Nov 19, 2009 at 14:21


Look at that, Obama went on FOX News after all, as it was reported he would! I guess I was right, White House denials don't exactly hold a lot of water.

Anyway, on the substance of the interview (almost had to link to FOXNews.com there), there was nothing spectacular except improving FOX's ratings, although there is a nit I want to pick with him and members of Congress over the Stupak and Hyde amendments.

GARRETT: Will you sign legislation on health care that includes the Stupak language?

OBAMA: You know, I think that there is a balance to be achieved that is consistent with the Hyde amendment -- what existed before we reformed health care.

I believe in the basic idea that federal dollars shouldn't pay for abortions. But I also think we shouldn't restrict women's choices, so, I think there's some negotiations going on, not just on the Democratic side, but I think among people of good will on both sides, to see if we can arrive at something that meets that criteria and I'm confident we can do that.

This goal- essentially, we should use Hyde as our baseline and if we get back to that, all is well- was repeated by Sen. Boxer immediately after the Stupak vote:

This amendment is unfair and discriminatory toward women. It singles them out as a group and would deny women access to a legal medical procedure by dictating what a woman can do with her own private funds. We've had a compromise in place for decades that has been fair. Anything that disrupts that compromise is a huge step back for women.

What I question is why that is our goal. I understand that as an organizing mechanism, if I'm trying to defeat Stupak, I should reassure colleagues that the pre-Stupak bill won't change Hyde to get them to vote against Stupak. Fine. But there's a difference between that and endorsing Hyde as a great, sacred compromise in the public realm. Here's what they should be saying instead: "you know, Major, I think the Hyde amendment is a terrible restriction on the rights of women. But the health care reform bill without the Stupak amendment will NOT affect existing Hyde regulations." Period.

This is an opportunity to talk about how restrictive Hyde is, not endorse it, and no one is taking advantage of it- not our national pro-choice organizations, not many of the most pro-choice members of Congress. I'm not saying the votes are there to repeal Hyde. I am saying this is an opportunity to explain to Americans around the country how screwed up women's reproductive health for a huge percentage of the workforce. I didn't even know the entire federal workforce, their families, military personnel, and women in DC are denied coverage under Hyde until this vote happened. It's also an opportunity to educate the views of pro-choice members of Congress, because as Rep. DeGette told Paul Rosenberg, referring to her colleagues, "So they thought, 'Well if this is just Hyde, then no big deal.'" That is crazy that even pro-choice members of Congress would think that.

We have some work to do, and endorsing Hyde as acceptable should not be the goal.

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Will have to happen separately... (0.00 / 0)
Quite honestly, we were ambushed on this, and getting back to "Hyde" is probably the best we can hope for now. I suppose from a negotiating standpoint we may want to push this to the other side, but frankly if a majority of the House voted for the Stupak amendment we're not exactly going to get rid of Hyde for awhile.

If Stupak doesn't come out or as at least compromised to what the Senate version has (which seems, at least to my lay ears to be much closer to what the Hyde amendment says), then the progressive block should vote health care down, hopefully in extremely big numbers.


Getting back to Hyde (4.00 / 3)
I don't disagree that's probably the best achievable goal- like I said, I don't think the votes are there to repeal it- but I do think the language re Hyde from our strongest supporters needs to be changed.


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Like so many others (4.00 / 2)
I thought we made great strides over the past few years.. and in some ways I am sure we have.

But electing a (&^$*&$ president from the D party who says "I believe in the basic idea that federal dollars shouldn't pay for abortions. But I also think we shouldn't restrict women's choices," is nothing short of an outrage to which I can barely respond in a civil manner.

Progressives must kill this bill... show a spine! Be very vocal as to the reasons why... while suggesting our solutions which already have high approval ratings... and keep pushing, building, electing better dems, not just more.

We are ahead of ourselves.. selling out all our principles, all for naught.

This is just so stupid on so many levels.

What we must do is demand our caucus stand  up and defeat this bill.


re: abortion (4.00 / 6)
OBAMA: ... I believe in the basic idea that federal dollars shouldn't pay for abortions.

why? abortion is legal.
someone does not like it you say? ok, don't like it. I don't like wars, I don't like the death penalty, I don't like paying republicrats' salaries but I'm paying them.

But I also think we shouldn't restrict women's choices

and we don't restrict women's choices by restricting women's choices!


Yeah I think President Obama saying that first line that federal government shouldn't pay for abortions (0.00 / 0)
is pretty dumb and lame... kinda like Obama himself!

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Obama tends to say he supports what is popular (0.00 / 0)
What he said is in line with popular opinion.  Does he mean it?  Is it something he can be backed off of?  Who knows?

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Because hating women is popular? (4.00 / 2)
From the ACLU:
 Federal funding restrictions have left some women on Medicaid little choice but to use money they need for food, rent, clothing, or other necessities to pay for an abortion.  One study showed that nearly 60% of women on Medicaid were often forced to divert money that would otherwise be used to pay their daily and monthly expenses, such as rent, utility bills, food and clothing for themselves and their children.  Some even resorted to pawning household goods to come up with the necessary cash.4  Many Medicaid-eligible women delay their abortions, increasing their medical risks, while they scrape funds together.  Other women have been forced to carry their pregnancies to term or to seek illegal abortions.  Studies have shown that from 18 to 35 percent of Medicaid-eligible women who want abortions, but who live in states that do not provide funding for abortion, have been forced to carry their pregnancies to term.5  

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Obama has no spine! (0.00 / 0)
As one who was so "in love" with him last year, I hate his guts now!

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re: shouldn't pay (4.00 / 3)
yeah, can you imagine bush saying 'I believe in the basic idea that federal dollars shouldn't pay for the facilities and personnel used to carry out the death penalty'?



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Excellent analogy. (4.00 / 1)
Consensual childbirth is every bit as non-negotiable for our side as the death penalty is for theirs.  

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This is a point needs to be emphasized over and over and over again. (4.00 / 1)
Thanks for this post, Adam.

it's a long-accepted part of the bipartisan consensus, (4.00 / 1)
and therefore immutable now.

It's been around for more than three decades. You want to overturn it, you're going to have to apply a lot more pressure.

And with the other side killing doctors and vandalizing clinics, that's going to be a long, hard task.


I'm not clear on how the other side's violent acts are sucessfull poltical (0.00 / 0)
gestures. I would tend to guess that the bulk of anti-choicers do not favor such behavior, or at the very lest, a large majority of Americans. And I would tend to think that Adam's point is precisely that a lot more pressure should be applied, and that one instance of resignation logically leads to another.

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"I would tend to guess that the bulk of anti-choicers do not favor such behavior" (4.00 / 2)
well, maybe in mixed company

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It's terrorism (4.00 / 3)
pure and simple. The goal is to intimidate people, close clinics and convince doctors not to offer abortions to their patients. Even if there are forced childbirthers who disagree with the tactics, there certainly aren't enough of them to slow things down.

It has succeeded wildly, especially when you realize the extent to which they have cowed even Democrats in Congress (Hyde amendment anyone?) and the White House.

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It's time (0.00 / 0)
to start marching in the streets and to form a new political party.  The Democrats have no guts, and we have no place to go.

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