Could democracy come to California?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Nov 22, 2009 at 17:00


Amy Goodman was broadcasting from California this week, and did several segments on the UC fee hikes, student protests and surrounding politics.  I wrote about some of this yesterday in my diary, "California's higher education crisis: "Shock Doctrine" in action".  This is a followup.  On Amy interviewed Goerge Lakoff, and one thing they discussed was his  ballot proposition for the 2010 ballot called the California Democracy Act::

All legislative action on revenue and budget must be determined by a majority vote.

What a concept!  Majority rule!  Here's how the segment with Amy began, where he lays out the basic background:

AMY GOODMAN: We turn now to the budget crisis here in California. The state faces a projected deficit of $21 billion, according to a new report from the state's budget analyst. The prospect for further cuts loom.

I'm joined now from Berkeley, California by a man who says the real cause of the state's fiscal problems is its "dysfunctional system of government." George Lakoff, an author, progressive activist, professor of cognitive science and linguistics at University of California, Berkeley, he has sent the attorney general a ballot proposition for the 2010 ballot that he says can end the gridlock in the state legislature. It's called the California Democracy Act and reads, quote, "All legislative action on revenue and budget must be determined by a majority vote." It changes two words in the state's constitution, turning "two-thirds" to "majority" in two places. It would roll back the two-thirds majority needed to pass a budget and, Lakoff argues, end the gridlock created by minority rule in the state.

George Lakoff, joining us now from the University of California, Berkeley, I welcome you to Democracy Now! Lay out what your proposal is, Professor Lakoff.

GEORGE LAKOFF: It's a pleasure to be here, Amy.

The proposal is very simple: namely, end minority rule by simply having the majority decide on economic-day-to-day economic issues. That's what this says. It says, on revenue and budget, let the majority in the legislature, you know, decide these things, just as happens in forty-seven other states. California is the only state in the union that is completely-that has minority rule in the legislature on both issues.

AMY GOODMAN: How did it happen? What is the history of this?

GEORGE LAKOFF: The history was, back in the '30s there was a two-thirds rule on the budget put in. And then in Prop 13 back in the 1970s, over thirty years ago, there was a hidden part of Prop 13. Most people thought Prop 13 was primarily about, and only about, property taxes. And that said that you needed a two-thirds rule locally to raise property taxes. And what was hidden in there was the idea that you needed two-thirds rule to raise any taxes in the entire state. And that meant that the legislature was basically under minority rule, that one-third plus one, 34 percent, could thwart the majority on any major economic issue simply by saying no until the majority gave in.

AS far as the UC system is concerned, the result has been that as funding has been cut back in tough times, fees have increased.  Then when the economy recovers, the fees stay in place, and public funding is never restored.  There are multiple causes for this, but clearly a major factor is that even a majority of the state legislature can't easily act effectively--which means that people aren't even inclined to try lobbying them. And thus the rot of anti-democratic politics spreads throughout the system.  A brief rundown of how that has played out from a diary at "Remaking the Univeristy", "Doomsday Medicine"

Paul Rosenberg :: Could democracy come to California?

In Major Downturn 1 (1992-1995), UC lost about 20% of its state funding and raised fees (excluding campus fees) from $1624 to $3799, an increase of 134% in 3 years.

In Major Downturn 2 (2002-2005), UC lost about 16% of its state funding and raised fees from $3834 to $6141, an increase of 60%.

In Major Downturn 3 (2008-??), UC has already lost 25% of its state funding. This is by far the worst of the downturns, and is hitting the state workforce hard.  Fees started at $7126 in 2008. Were they to rise by the average of the two previous increases, or say 100%, they would be at about $14,250 by 2011-12 - up another $4000 from 2010-11 (set yesterday at $10,302).

Were the fees in this downturn to go up as much as they did in Downturn 1 (134%), they would stand at $16,685 in 2011-12.  If the downturn stays bad, more cuts will come and fee hikes will be even higher - to $20,000, with the usual stipulations about 33% return-to-aid.

So, student fees have grown from $1624 in 1991 to $10,302 now--an increase of 6 1/3 times.  I assume this isn't adjusted for inflation.  But it's still a staggering increase.

Thank God they didn't increase taxes for millionaires, or else the state would really be in trouble!


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California was in many ways the catalyst for the rise of neoliberalism (4.00 / 3)
Washington took the tax revolt in CA as a signal of where America was going, which empowered conservatives in both parties. Ending this institutional block for progressivism in CA could also reverberate well beyond the state.

As I said before, the UC protests are also important because they involve cross class grass roots alliances with students, staff and faculty - unions and community groups. Let's hope these various elements continue to coalesce, and that this is the beginning of something more.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


it works both ways (2.00 / 2)
Majority rule legislation is trickier than you think. Why? Because it cuts both ways.

Consider the much talked about 60 vote rule in the U.S. Senate.

The 60 vote rule is merely a procedural mechanism. It is analogous to the rule that the Senate will consist of 2 members from each state---why not 4 or 6? And why not change it instead to a new rule: Like the House, the number of Senators will reflect the population in each state.

Policy wise, it is all interchangable in a zero sum world. It's like arguing about the parliamentary system---is it better or worse is than our own?

Neither. It's just a different approach to democracy.

With the 60 vote rule, the Democrats were able to push back against the Bush/Republican agenda from 2001 thru 2006. Now, of course, the Democrats are frustrated because the Republicans can push back as well.  

Same in California.

The far more crucial factor is the capacity [or lack thereof] of progressives to accomplish two things:

1] elect genuinely progressive legislators
2] organize a grassroots movement to accomplish this

If this can be achieved, the "procedural" impediments [or expedients] become increasingly moot.

In other words, stop blaming "the system" for our own more or less ineffectual efforts to elect those who will make it work for Main Street as much as for Wall Street.


Do you honestly think that anyone (4.00 / 5)
hasn't considered this?  Seriously?

The 60 vote rule is merely a procedural mechanism. It is analogous to the rule that the Senate will consist of 2 members from each state---why not 4 or 6? And why not change it instead to a new rule: Like the House, the number of Senators will reflect the population in each state.

Policy wise, it is all interchangable in a zero sum world. It's like arguing about the parliamentary system---is it better or worse is than our own?

Uh, one is a zero sum (from a democratic perspective 2 votes is the same as 4 votes per state is the same thing - both give the same weight to each state). One is not - 2/3 or 60% is not majority rule - it is not analogous to a 50% rule.

As for this:

In other words, stop blaming "the system" for our own more or less ineffectual efforts to elect those who will make it work for Main Street as much as for Wall Street.

If you are looking to undermine social programs, you can do that by limiting funding. This gives a structural advantage to those who oppose existing programs.  Add to that that the people of CA can elect close to a two thirds majority and still be unable to stop this, and this presents an overwhelming advantage to conservatives.

There are different approaches to democracy - but some are better than others. The existing system is CA ensures that broad majorities of the people cannot get what they want.  That is what this is about.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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You obviously do not live in California!!! If you did, you would not be so glib! (4.00 / 1)


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Bad points, but not a troll (0.00 / 0)
ammasdarling troll rated this, but that would be an abuse of what the troll rating is for.  I disagree with the post, but recommended it anyway to undo the troll rating.

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This Is So Utterly Misguided And Uninformed That It's Embarrasing (4.00 / 5)
Same in California.

The far more crucial factor is the capacity [or lack thereof] of progressives to accomplish two things:

1] elect genuinely progressive legislators
2] organize a grassroots movement to accomplish this

If this can be achieved, the "procedural" impediments [or expedients] become increasingly moot.

The California legislature has some of the most progressive elected Democrats one is likely to find anywhere in the country.  The Speaker, Karen Bass, is legendary community organizer from South LA. But there just aren't enough majority Democratic district to make electing 2/3rds of the Senate and 2/3rds of the Assembly a reasonable political goal.  A truly Hurculean effort might conceivably accomplish that every once in a blue moon.  But state budgets have to get passed every year.

In short, my friend, you are simply not paying attention to what's going on.

Thus, you are fully qualified to be a Versailles cable-TV gasbag.  Congratulations!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Oligopoly is a different approach FROM democracy n/t (0.00 / 0)


There is no such thing as a free market.

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What does majority rule mean practically? (0.00 / 1)
If this ballot proposition passes there are a few certainties with the current Democratic majority in the legislature:

- taxes will increase but it does not mean that the state government's "revenue" will increase. Witness what is happening now where California increased its sales tax rate which already happens to be one of the highest in the country but sales tax collections still continue to decline. Exact same situation with income taxes - higher tax rates at the top end of the country but lower tax revenues.

- public sector unions will demand even more gold plated health and retirement benefits. Currently, Police and Fire chiefs and Administrators retiring at age 50 with $150K-$200K per year pension benefit payments not including health and other benefits.

- small business will pay the most heavy price as politically well connected "interests" get their hands deep into their threadbare pockets.

Unless majority rule is combined with some kind of fiscal restraint California will continue on its current path of fiscal breakdown and complete insolvency.


Thanks For Your Rightwing Screed! (4.00 / 4)
Which is, of course, full of shit.

California's tax structure, like most states, is basically regressive.  Minority rule has made it substantially moreso.  With majority rule, three major types of reform would become feasible:

(1) Making the tax structure more progressive by raising taxes on people & businesses who can more afford it.

(2) Closing loopholes that favor special interests while producing little or no (or even negative) public benefit.

(3) Making the tax structure more stable by broadening the range of taxes--primarily by sales taxes on services, which are a much larger segment of the economy than they were 30 or 40 years ago, but also an oil extraction tax (like they have in the socialist republics of Texas and Alaska!)

Equally important, with a firmed-up income foundation, the state could start reinvesting in public infrastructure, which has been vastly underfunded over the past 30 years or so. This, in turn, will enhance economic performance going forward, providing a stronger tax base into the future.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Bullshit (0.00 / 0)
1) California's top bracket income tax is higher than almost all states and its lowest income tax bracket is lower than most states. Regarding "People and businesses who can more afford it", if you haven't noticed, California is losing businesses and jobs to states like Texas and overseas. Why? Unfavorable work environment and taxes.

2) Too general to even warrant a response, both sides have added loopholes all over the place.

3) The best way to make the tax structure more stable is to flatten the income tax. The problem is that the state relies heavily on the rich for income taxes and when the rich lose their jobs, the state goes in a hole. This should be fairly obviously given the downturn. Also, more tax on consumption leads to less consumption leads to less jobs. The higer the cost of doing business, the less likely the business happening.

The other alternative is to remove Prop 13, but that won't happen.

You're really arguing in ways that will drive businesses away. Which one of your suggestions really does anything to reverse this? 1 and 3 are more taxes, 2 is undefined, but I can probably guess it'll cost some business somewhere more money. I haven't encountered a business yet that likes more taxes.  


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So Raising Taxes 1% On The Top 1% Is Going To Cause Them To Move To Texas? (4.00 / 4)
Are you, by chance, in the market for a bridge?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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It won't cause them to move immediately (0.00 / 1)
Eventually you cant get enough money out of this economic class and you can't get it from lower wage earners.  The higher class wage earners have the ability to move.  They can earn less and keep more.  Thus you have the movement to lower tax states.

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.

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So Says Reagonomics (4.00 / 6)
But Reagonomics is wrong.

What made California so attractive in the first place was quality of life.  What's made it less attractive is not high taxes, but the opposite--drastic under-investment in public infrastructure to maintain a high quality of life.

But the upper class (and, for that matter, even upper middle) in California still has a very high quality of life compared to places like Texas, and raising their income taxes by 1% would barely cause a blip, particularly if they could see the quality of life around them start to rise again.

The right has been doing everything it can to poison the public discourse with it's elite victimhood narratives.  But taxes aren't evil.  Taxes are how you take responsibility for being part of civilization.  And conservatives are supposed to be all about taking responsibility, right?

Yeah, right.  Well, you get a healthy civilization by (1) getting rid of sick thinking, and (2) paying for it.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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And how much is that going to generate? (0.00 / 0)
Enough to close the $20 billion shortfall and pay for all your pork too?

And I am sure you are for Fire chiefs to retire at 50 with $241K pension benefit paid by taxpayers - which is 4 times the median wage? After all they are part of the "union" - the proletariat - and so deserve it!

The problem with guys like you are you can't debate with facts but just like Glenn Beck and Hannity on the right shove labels on anything that shines a spotlight on how your "special interests" also engorge off the public trough.

How's "Change you can believe in" coming along lathering the same Wall Street crowd that you were screaming at Dubya for?

Democrats & Republicans just different faces of the same coin! Scamming America to feed their cronies.


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CA passed single-payer twice and arnold vetoed it twice (4.00 / 2)
February 2005: California

California could save $344 billion over 10 years with single payer

A study by the Lewin Group, finds that singlepayer would save California $343.6 billion in health care costs over the next 10 years, mainly by cutting administration and using bulk purchases of drugs and medical equipment.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/sing...

if CA wants to save $34 billion a year it can pass single-payer


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Since You Haven't Posted Here In Almost A Year (4.00 / 1)
I suppose it's only natural that you have no idea what you're talking about when you try to characterize us here at Open Left, what we stand for, and how we argue.

But if you even bothered to read your own link, then you'd know that those gold-plated pensions are not out of union contracts, those are out of plain old municipal cronyism.

And since I'm also an advocate of drastically increasing the audit powers of the State Controller, in part to put an end to this sort of thing, you really don't have anything much in the way of a rational argument to throw at me.1

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I would hate to see California to end this way. (0.00 / 0)
It's true that California seems to be the leading debtor state in the nation.  Passage of this proposal may give the citizens some movement in their state legislature to make the needed changes.  I truly don't see any politician of any stripe wanting to see their constituents suffering.

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.

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means and ends (0.00 / 0)
one is a zero sum (from a democratic perspective 2 votes is the same as 4 votes per state is the same thing - both give the same weight to each state). One is not - 2/3 or 60% is not majority rule - it is not analogous to a 50% rule.

If progressives...in any state...are able to elect progressives to the Senate [whether from California or Utah], that's what counts---however the Constitutional mechanism lays down the "rules" for electing representatives.

If the California legislature consisted of, say, 55%  reactionaries needing only a majority to pass a budget that was reactionary down to the bone, wouldn't that 2/3rds requirment be a godsend for liberals?

I'll admit I may not have a firm grasp on California's state government but it still seems that concentrating on the rules it abides by in passing legislation is secondary to actually electing those who embrace your own political values.  

I look at what passes for "the left" today from the perspective of someone who was smack dab in the middle of the grassroots movements in the 60s and 70s.

Back then it was the massive demonstrations for progressive change that largely motivated the government to change things. Today it's more like sitting back and waiting for the Democrats to finally push back at the Republicans. This when those who own and operate both the Democratic and Republican leadership are deeply enscounced in Wall Street and the military industrial complex.

 


Who are you attacking? (4.00 / 4)
Lakoff is asking for a grassroots movement to pass this act, not "sitting back and waiting for the Democrats to finally push back at the Republicans."  And he is tying it to the massive demonstrations currently going on the UC system, which Paul referenced. Nor have I suggested that I support elite level politics at the expense of grassroots mobilization - quite the reverse.

I'll admit I may not have a firm grasp on California's state government ...

Then maybe you should layoff lecturing people that do. Try asking questions.

...but it still seems that concentrating on the rules it abides by in passing legislation is secondary to actually electing those who embrace your own political values.  

See Paul's comment above. CA did precisely this (through grassroots, movement based mobilization), yet these rules prevent that from having the impact it ought to.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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taking it to the streets (0.00 / 0)
Lakoff is asking for a grassroots movement to pass this act, not "sitting back and waiting for the Democrats to finally push back at the Republicans.  

Yes, we need that. But my point is that if it succeeds and the left is not able to elect a majority Democratic state legislature genuinely committed to a progressive budget, that "majority rules" stuff can come back to haunt liberals. What happens if the Republicans/conservatives reverse the 51/29 numbers in the Assembly and the 25/15 numbers in the Senate?

That's why the "majority rule" budget proposal will be embraced by progressives only if a grassroots movement can be organized and then galvanized to make sure the majority always consists of folks with a liberal agenda re the budget.

But what happens if they can't? What if the political climate in California lurches to the right? That is basically my concern. The prize is always the political makeup of the legislature---not the procedures it uses to pass the legislation.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your intent...your point. If so, I apologize. But I continue to see little in the way of mobilizing a mass movement on the left---as was done in the 1930s and the 1950s, 60s into the 70s.

Without lots and lots of feet on the ground marching to the nation's capitol and state capitols I see little changing because so many Democrats [especially in Washington] are part and parcel of our crony capitalist political economy.

In the mainstream media [at least on the national scene] the narratives are always Democrats vs. Republicans. As though with respect to Wall Street and America's imperialistic foreign policy the leadership of the Democratic and Republican party were not tweedledee and tweedledum.

Now, admittedly, on the state level in California, that narrative might not be apllicable.    


Democracy (4.00 / 1)
That "'majority rules' stuff" is democracy. I am perfectly willing to accept that it can cut both ways. No set of rules will ensure that liberals always win, thus that standard is of no use.

Again, it would take a movement to enact this law (it's an initiative, and lacks big money support) it only happens with grassroots mobilization.  

As for marching, there are times when that is an effective tactic and times when it is not. I suspect the protests on the UC campuses going on right now are effective - because they can shut down the campuses and because they are a means for creating a movement that involves groups that traditionally have not worked together. They are a means for creating solidarity.

I also think that real electoral mobilization would make a difference - and this act can provided the means for that. There is already a good deal of movement oriented organizing going on in CA - which has produced the progressive majorities Paul referenced above.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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making it personal? (0.00 / 0)
paul:

The California legislature has some of the most progressive elected Democrats one is likely to find anywhere in the country.  

It has this now. But it is naive to imagine it will never change. For example, I cut my political teeth in the 60's and 70s [less 3 years in the Army]. Back then I [and many others] were convinced the liberal agenda had been carved in stone.

But it wasn't, was it?

Thus, you are fully qualified to be a Versailles cable-TV gasbag.  Congratulations!

Is this a personal attack...an ad hominem? Does that work both ways here? I love polemics. And I will be more than happy to accommodate you if that is where you want this to go. I just don't want to be "blocked" or "disappeared" as I was at The New Republic.


Okay, so some local reality (4.00 / 1)
Since Pete Wilson (R-Gov) declared war on California Latinos way back when, the goopers have put themselves in a position of permanent (and declining) minority status. Latinos are the biggest growing segment of the population and they will NEVER vote Republican now.

Adding to that is the ones that are left are the teabaggiest of teabaggers. They are so extreme that they can't get anyone through the primary process that can win a general statewide election (Schwarz. bypassed the primary process) -- anyone who could actually appeal to the general voters is defeated as a hated RINO.

Just watch what happens with Boxer's senate seat this year -- Fiorina has a chance of giving Boxer a challenge, but the gooper fedayeen will elect Chuck DeVore who is an anti-abortion fanatic and ... sorry goopers!



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Two things. (4.00 / 1)
1.  As disagreeable as I find your comments here, I have yet to see any that individually rise to trollish.  But that's just my opinion.  If you "disappear" from the site, it'll be entirely by your own choice.

2.  Please use the reply link below the post you're replying to so we can follow the thread and the discussion.  That's the entire purpose of those links.  By not using those links, you're breaking up the conversation, which is antithetical to holding a coherent debate.  If you don't start using those links, I'm going to think you're being annoying on purpose, which is disruptive to the community, and which therefor is trollish, and I will start rating accordingly.

Okay, a third thing.

3.  The only time you'll never have to deal with polemics, rhetoric, and other "base" argument styles is in high-school debate club.  So by all means, have at it.  Just be aware that you better bring the facts before you talk the smack.  Otherwise you're just going to look foolish.  You have yet to bring the facts, at least on the issue discussed in this diary, so I'd suggest holding off on the smack talk, but the decision is ultimately up to you.

Health insurance is not health care.
If you don't fight, you can't win.
Never give up. Never Surrender.
Watch out for flying kabuki.


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facts and fictions (0.00 / 0)
You have yet to bring the facts, at least on the issue discussed in this diary, so I'd suggest holding off on the smack talk, but the decision is ultimately up to you.

Thanks for the feedback.

Facts though are always tricky when discussing the manner in which to instantiate them inside debates over moral and political value judgments.

What are the relevant "facts" with respect to abortion, Afghanistan, healthcare reform and democracy in California? Why in the world do you imagine that for literally thousands of years now [from the pre-Socratics on] conflicting political factions have been bringing their endless permutations of facts to the table. But nothing ever gets resolved does it?

Facts often pale next to the formidable alliances forged between those able to garner enormous political and economic power. I am rather cynical in that regard. I have no illusions about the limits of "democracy", in other words. Nor the limits of language we use to discuss it.

People aften underestimate me though because they do not approach these things as I do.

Pershaps we will both learn from each other.



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GREAT Troll Parody! (0.00 / 0)
Absolutely BRILLIANT!

Oh. What? You're serious?

Nah!  You're putting me on.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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facts and fintions (0.00 / 0)
Yes, make me the issue. That way you can avoid dealing with the arguments I make.

My arguments revolve around the manner in which "the facts" are accummulated by folks with widely divergent political perspectives. Even though "the facts" would seem to be indisputable, they are still used to bolster these hopelessly conflcting ideological arguments.

You strike me as just one more True Believer convinced that "the facts" are what you insist they are. And that in interpreting them your intellectual prowress is second to none.

But then across the ideological spectrum we come across this sort of "reasoning' all the time don't we?

How are you any different?  


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Has Lakoff Seen the Polls? (0.00 / 0)
I've been following the various efforts to reform California.  Fortunately things are so broken that a majority favors a constitutional convention/a reconfiguration of the current system.

Sadly, every poll I've seen shows significant resistance to doing away with the 2/3 majority requirement.  I hope Lakoff can get his proposition on the ballot, but the polling numbers so far don't look good.  It really makes me want to move outta the Golden State, since an idea like Lakoff's is critical to keeping CA from turning into some right wing shithole.


The argument the right-wingers will use (0.00 / 0)
is that requiring majority vote rather than 2/3 will lead to HIGHER TAXES! (And yes, it will be in all-caps in the elections guide.)

This was the same argument that was used to defeat a proposition that would've required 55% vote.  Any time any one calls for doing something responsible the right-wingers just trot out the "NO HIGHER TAXES!" line and people dumbly nod and vote no.


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Listen to the interview with Lakoff (0.00 / 0)
He lays out how to make this argument. It's true that people have not been convinced of this in the past - but that doesn't mean that they cannot be convinced with the right argument.  

Conservatives win big battles because they take where people are today as a starting point, not an end point. We need to do the same.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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Umm, the problem with California is TOO MUCH DEMOCRACY! (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, when you give regular people access to a political mechanism as powerful as California's ballot measure system, this catastrophe is the inevitable result.

Of course people will vote for every beneficial, expensive project. You ask them if they want high speed rail and excellent universities, and of course they do. But then the same people vote against all tax increases, without which all the other things they want cannot be funded.

To give the labile voters even more control over the budget is just suicidal and completely moronic. The results are completely predictable.

California will not return to any form of political sanity until it is sold to China and ruled from Beijing - a day that may come soon.


The proposition would make it majority vote (0.00 / 0)
in the legislature; it has nothing to do with ballot initiatives.

Though your point is otherwise valid.


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This is utterly fact free (0.00 / 0)
It's ironic that you would accuse others of being incapable of making good decisions while you insist on suggesting an answer to this problem on the basis of fantasy.

You don't like democracy. That's your prerogative. But let's not pretend  that you have a clue what people do or do not support.



Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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read only the last part (0.00 / 0)
I thought the redeeming part of my post was the line about selling California to China. It's a big piece of real estate with a sexy name. Might they forgive all our loans in exchange? Is this just the next inevitable step in the privatization of public goods? But don't cry for California if this happens.

One thing that's clear is that California is completely unfit to rule itself. Some Chinese leadership, along with a couple of Chinese tanks rolling through a few public squares, might really help us refocus on the things that matter. It's not just that we'd have trains that run on time. We'd have actual trains!

I, for one, welcome our new financially wise Chinese liberators/overlords.


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