Senate Forecast, 11/23: GOP still nets four, but it could get much worse

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 14:36


Current 2010 Senate Outlook: Net Republican Gain of 4 Seats

Previous forecast, 11/17: Republican net gain of four seats

New polls: Arkansas, Florida, Missouri

Rankings change: As Rubio gains in the Republican primary and as Meek gains on Rubio in the general election, Florida moves ahead of North Carolina and Louisiana.

Commentary: It is worth noting that while the Senate forecast has been stuck on a Republican net gain of four for the entire month of November, it seems more likely that the situation will get worse for Democrats, rather than better.  The are two main reasons for this.

First, Democratic-held seats in New York and Wisconsin are currently uncompetitive, but would become lean-Republican if the GOP scored top recruits.  This is because Russ Feingold slightly trails Tommy Thompson in Wisconsin, and Kirsten Gillibrand signifcantly trails Rudy Giuliani.

Second, as the economy continues to tank, there could be an across the board shift toward Republicans in these seats.

The combination of these two factors makes a ten-seat Republican pickup possible.  If Republicans sweep of the races on the Senate chart, plus New York and Wisconsin, the Senate will be 50-50 for 2011-2012.  And that is assuming no of the Conservadems switches parties (cough, Lieberman, cough), thereby throwing Senate control to Republicans outright.

Bad times for Democrats electorally.  The entire forecast can be found in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Senate Forecast, 11/23: GOP still nets four, but it could get much worse
Republican-Held Seats
Democratic Pickups: 1-2 (One or two of Kentucky, Missouri and Ohio)
State Type Democrat Republican Margin #Polls
Ohio
OH D Primary Fisher +5.5 2
OH R Primary Portman +18.5 2
OH Open Fisher Ganley D 8.0 2
OH Open Brunner Ganley D 5.5 2
OH Open Fisher Portman D 2.3 3
OH Open Brunner Portman R 0.3 3
Missouri
MO Open Carnahan Blunt* D 1.3 3
Kentucky
KY D Primary Mongiardo +9.0 2
KY R Primary Grayson +6.0 2
KY Open Conway Paul D 4.3 3
KY Open Mongiardo Paul Even 3
KY Open Conway Grayson R 3.3 3
KY Open Mongiardo Grayson R 7.0 3
New Hampshire
NH Open Hodes* Ayotte* R 7.3 3
Florida
FL R Primary Crist +13.0 3
FL Open Meek* Rubio R 1.3 3
FL Open Meek* Crist R 16.3 3
Louisiana
LA Incumbent Melancon Vitter R 11.0 2
North Carolina
NC Incumbent Marshall* Burr R 12.0 6
(Others to keep an eye on: Iowa, Texas)

Democratic-Held Seats
Democratic Losses: 5-6 (Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois and Nevada, plus one or two of Arkansas, Delaware and Pennsylvania)
State Type Democrat Republican Margin #Polls
Colorado
CO D Primary Bennet +14.0 1
CO Incumbent Bennet Norton* R 9.0 1
CO Open Romanoff Norton* R 8.0 1
Nevada
NV R Primary Tarkanian +8.5 2
NV Incumbent Reid Tarkanian R 7.0 4
NV Incumbent Reid Lowden R 5.5 4
Connecticut
CT R Primary Simmons +11.0 1
CT Incumbent Dodd* Simmons R 7.5 4
CT Incumbent Dodd* McMahon R 2.0 1
Illinois
IL D Primary Giannoulis +14.0 1
IL Special Hoffman Kirk* R 10.0 1
IL Special Jackson Kirk* R 4.0 1
IL Special Giannoulis Kirk* R 3.5 2
Delaware
DE Special Biden** Castle R 0.3 3
Pennsylvania
PA D Primary Sestak Specter R 17.8 5
PA Open Sestak Toomey R 1.8 5
PA Incumbent Specter Toomey D 1.3 6
Arkansas
AR R Primary ??? ??? 0
AR Incumbent Lincoln Baker D 0.8 4
AR Incumbent Lincoln Coleman D 3.7 3
AR Incumbent Lincoln Cox D 7.0 2
AR Incumbent Lincoln Hendren D 10.7 3
California
CA R Primary Fiorina +0.5 2
CA Incumbent Boxer Fiorina D 11.0 3
CA Incumbent Boxer DeVore D 12.0 3
(Others to keep an eye on: New York, North Dakota, Washington, Wisconsin)

Methodology:

  1. The forecast is entirely based on polling.

  2. For now, use the simple mean of all polls where the majority of interviews were conducted since August 25th (the last 90 days).

  3. When available, at least two polls are used for every campaign, even if the majority of their interviews were conducted  before August 15th.

  4. As the election draws closer, restrict the timeframe for polls included in the averages. During the final six weeks of an election, use the simple mean from the last 15 days.

  5. Campaigns where one party is ahead by 6.0 or more are considered "solid." Campaigns between 2.7 and 5.9 are considered "leans." Campaigns within 2.6 or less are considered "toss-ups." These categories are subject to refinement based on continued research into past elections.

  6. "Solid" and "lean" seats are considered pickups, while toss-ups are 50-50 for each party. States with mixed results will be considered 50-50 until the primary election. The overall forecast is the most likely seat change based on the current forecast.  This is also subject to refinement.

  7. Do not include Zogby Interactive polls and Columbus Dispatch polls, due to their horrendous past performance and questionable methodologies.

  8. Do not include Strategic Vision polls, as it is starting to seem likely those are not real polls.

  9. Include campaign-funded polls. Further, if there is more than one poll from a single organization, include all of them.
The basic idea is to cram as many polls with sound methodologies into the averages as possible, and weight them evenly to include more overall data in the sample. Because voter preferences don't really change that much in high-profile elections, I thought this method might produce a more accurate result through logic of regression to the mean. It seems to work pretty well, as my research has shown so far.

This is different from my 2006 and 2008 methodology in that it includes polls from 15 days out from an election, instead of only 8. Further, campaign funded polls, and multiple polls from a single polling firm, are now included. All of these changes were made to include more polls in the averages, since my previous methodology was about 10-20% less accurate than Pollster.com and fivethrityeight.com. Since they had already raised the bar so high, and since they will probably improve their methodologies for 2010 even more, it was time for Open Left to step it up.

Notes:
*= Faces primary, but heavy favorite
**= Not an announced candidate at this time


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Well, At Least If The GOP Takes Over The Senate (4.00 / 4)
They'll get rid of the filibuster.

So it's not entirely gloomy.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Oh, I agree (4.00 / 3)
We can get rid of the filibuster, and a lot of bad Dems. As I will write later today, it really isn't all bad.

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Yeah, and then maybe in 12 years (0.00 / 0)
if we're really lucky, we'll get it back.

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Of course by then (4.00 / 1)
Social Security would have probably been outlawed and any attempt at federal regulations of the banking industry, or funding of public transit or emission-free cars, or anything that would require raising taxes -- even if the return was much greater -- would be swept aside.  Tax cuts forever!

Welcome to California USA.


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Its your choice (4.00 / 1)
Either:

1--think what we have now is the best we can do, and defend it.

2--Accept the risk of giving Republicans the ability to pass legislation with 51 in the Senate, but in return get the ability to do the same when we are back in power.

I choose #2. For me, just defending what we have now isn't enough.


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I choose the first option (0.00 / 0)
I think that with a diminished Senate (but still a majority) and enough pressure from the outside, the Dems could be convinced to change the rules to allow majority votes on at least the most critical issues.  Right now, they're stuck thinking that they can still play by the current rules because they have 60, but if they have 56 and 44 really recalcitrant Republicans, a different option becomes more palatable.  

If these Republicans came to power again, it would be a disaster.  If nothing else, when the next SCOTUS vacancy come up (and some suggest Stevens will be leaving this coming summer), Obama would be forced to choose someone far more conservative than he otherwise would have if the Democrats were in the majority.  


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Error in my math (0.00 / 0)
If Stevens leaves this summer, of course we would still have our Senate, so in theory, it should not be a problem replacing him with a liberal.

Of course if he left a year later, or Ginsburg left, or both, it would be a different scenario under the Senate that Chris hopes to achieve.


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re: filubuster busting (4.00 / 2)
2--Accept the risk of giving Republicans the ability to pass legislation with 51 in the Senate, but in return get the ability to do the same when we are back in power.

are you sure we would be able to pass progressive legislation with a 51 vote threshold in the Senate? I'm not. I think they'll find an excuse so Big Money won't end on the losing end of legislation


[ Parent ]
Whatever happened to "grow liberalism"? (4.00 / 1)
Now it's "Lose to Win".

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I entirely agree Chris (0.00 / 0)
Well said. The basic problem any nascent progressive movement faces is institutionalized progressive organizations that are committed to a certain mindset. It's all interest group based, and they think narrowly in terms of passing legislation favorable to their constituency. These disparate organizations do not form a coherent ideological movement - that's what we do.

I will surely trade some bad years for the long term potential of passing legislation with 51 votes. It is not difficult to imagine growing our progressive core senators (what, 36-42 or so?) to 48-52 over the course of 6-10 years. At some point we'll be able to pick up seats in IA, CT, ME, FL, NV, OH, NH, and run more progressive candidates for Democratic held open seats in blue states. Remember as well, Obama is will at be in office until at least 2012 and provide some sort of buffer (oh, god I hope). It at least has to be better than a Republican, right?

Either way, I'm betting on our long term organizing efforts, political communication and demographic changes to make big things possible for us without a filibuster. Things so popular that taking them down would be next to impossible, even without it.

But that's down the road. Possibly 10 years of more. Still worth it.  


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Which bad Dems? (0.00 / 0)
By my count I see Lincoln (though she's still ahead), Specter (also still ahead), and... Bennet?

I guess you could throw in Melancon as well.


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And what now is the reason for thinking this? (4.00 / 1)
They didn't get rid of the filibuster when they had the chance in 2005. Why would they do it in 2011?

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and to add (0.00 / 0)
I especially don't see why they'd do it with a Dem in the White House who would just veto whatever a Republican senate passed anyway. They would at least wait until there was a Republican president, I'd think.

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Help (4.00 / 1)
Because this time we'd help them.

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We would work hard (0.00 / 0)
We would hard to to find a few Dems to push them over the edge.

Plus, there wouldn't be seven Republicans to form a Gang anymore. They have gotten even more unified.


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Sooooooo... (0.00 / 0)
Is there any hope that Obama isn't going to be Clinton 2: Clinton Harder?

Sure, there is hope (0.00 / 0)
but it could also just be a repeat.

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From PPP's twitter feed... (4.00 / 4)
Russ Feingold wins more Republican voters than Tommy Thompson does Democrats. Game over. Numbers out tomorrow.

Good news on that front...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


thank you (4.00 / 3)
Russ would be a part of any "Progressive lifeboat" strategy we would pursue.  Gotta keep our champions, even in a bad year.

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Not to mention electing new ones... (0.00 / 0)
i.e. can Open Left make an endorsement for Jennifer Brunner?

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Yes, endorse Brunner (4.00 / 1)
The other guy is a bland, timid two-time statewide loser who doesn't attract a lot of votes in the purple-to-red areas outside NE Ohio. He flip-flopped on the death penalty and same-sex marriage as a matter of political calculation. Brunner is an outspoken progressive who takes stands on principle, very comparable to Feingold.

If the party establishment hadn't clamped down on Brunner's fundraising she'd be the frontrunner and netroots progressives would be flocking to her. Is that really a reason to refrain from endorsing her -- that the corporatist Democratic machine is blocking her? Why not help her get past that hurdle instead?

Yes, I am a supporter of Brunner and I'm helping with her campaign.

Elect a true progressive champion to the U.S. Senate! JenniferBrunner.com


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Note how much of this is Obama's fault. (4.00 / 5)
For one thing, IL would never be in play if Obama were running for re-election...

More seriously, the pick of Biden for VP put DE in play; the pick of Salazar for interior put CO in play; the pick of Sebelius for HHS took KS out of play; and the pick of Napolitano arguably took AZ out of play (though that one's uncertain).

As we're seeing right now, the precise number of Democrats in the Senate has a tremendous influence on the success of Obama's agenda. I just can't imagine that, e.g., having a second-best option at Interior or HHS has a comparably significant effect.


Clinton, New York too (4.00 / 2)
If Rudy gets in and/or things turn very bad. I don't think Rudy goes unless he thinks it's a sure thing because another loss at the polls and he's done for good.

"Don't take much, does it, elected Democrats, to get your balls tucked up." Cf.

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Rudy's A Vampire (4.00 / 5)
He's already dead, and hence unstoppable, no matter how many times he loses.

Wooden stakes. Silver bullets.  Holy water.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Vampire is right (0.00 / 0)
The guy reminds me of Nosferatu.  He angers me and creeps me out all at once.

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Don't forget the garlic! Tons of it. (0.00 / 0)
Whatever helps in pushing this zombie back into the grace.
Vade retro, satanas!



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How can any Dem be trailing Giuliani in NYC anyway??? (0.00 / 0)
Thos doesn't make any sense. As far as I remember, Giuliani is LESS popular in the big apple than in the US in general. Did Gilibrand totally screw up? What the eff is happening there???

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Boy Howdy! (4.00 / 4)
And as if opening up the seats didn't create enough of an opening, just look at how they filled them!  Not a single strong potential statewide candidate in the lot.

Of course I would have wanted a progressive in every case.  But they didn't even get strong centrists.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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This isn't fair (0.00 / 0)
The President can and should pick those he thinks are the best people for the job.

Now, we can argue whether or not the people he actually chose are the best for the job.  For the record, I think they are not - Salazar at Interior in particular is a head-scratcher, though, it did get him out of the Senate (but this was offset by another, slightly better centrist succeeding him, which could be further offset if he loses to Romanoff in the primary, though I don't know how liberal Romanoff is).

But the point remains that the President should be picking the best people without worrying about who will take their places in the Senate.

Furthermore, the President is not responsible for the state governors' choices, or for the subsequent weakness in those choices.  For example, it's not Obama's fault that Bill Ritter picked Michael Bennet, nor is it his fault that Bennet is turning out to be a lousy candidate (though it is his fault that he's supporting him for reelection).


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"This" President is responsible (0.00 / 0)
for all of the bad things happening now.  He is a wimp with no backbone, and he has destroyed everything good in the Democratic Party that we had.  He is a repeat of Bush and Bill Clinton all rolled into one.  As one who worked for him, supported him, contributed to his campaign, and hoped with the rest of you, I now hate his guts for ruining everything!  I would never again make that same mistake!!!

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Until recently I would have disagreed (4.00 / 3)
But frankly given the policies coming out of DC, I think they just don't get it, and never will. So, it is possible they will lose next year. However, I question two things a) How this will ensure progressive developing the willingness to not capituluate and b) How will it defeat the very obvious narrative that will develop after the loses (that we lose because the party did not go far enough right rather than because of a bad economy with bad policies that reinforced the bad economy)? Of the two narratives, it will almost certainly be "because the Dems were too liberal' that will win out. How will you combat that as a party?

North Dakota not on your list? (0.00 / 0)
A Zogby poll showed Republican Hoeven would crush Dorgan if he decided to run for Senate.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.

Its on the "keep an eye on" (0.00 / 0)
The "keep an eye on" is reserved largely for campaigns like the one you discuss.  It could be interesting, but it would take a top recruit who does not appear to be actively interested in the campaign yet.

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Plus (0.00 / 0)
Hoeven said he wouldn't run

Still, I'm not crossing it off until polling shows Dorgan way up on whoever does challenge him.


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Key word (4.00 / 1)
Zogby poll.


John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

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any chance Dodd will bow out? (4.00 / 3)
After seeing what happened to Corzine, I would hope that Dodd might retire and let us hold that seat.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.

Doubtful... (0.00 / 0)
Dood is about as arrogant as Corzine was...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Not as rich (0.00 / 0)
Corzine's personal fortune kept him going.  Nobody wanted to challenge him in a primary even though he was a terrible politician, unpopular and IMO a medeiocre governor (Christie will be far worse).

Dodd doesn't have the personal fortune so maybe he'll back out.


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Dodd should be primaried (4.00 / 1)
by a Democrat who isn't in the pocket of Wall Street.

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Not a primary (0.00 / 0)
But Nader has been making some noise about holding the door open on the idea of a third-party run for the Connecticut Senate seat.  He could be serious, or he could be keeping his options open, or he could just be an attention whore who is older than John McCain.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

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Dodd already has a primary challenger (0.00 / 0)
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The disaffected independent (4.00 / 2)
has no reason to support the Democrats.

1. Still in Iraq.

2. Still in Afghanistan.

3. Unemployment is sky high.

3. The Banksters still have all the money.

Where is the change?

So much can be said on this topic; we are just getting started.

Needless to say, the Doom hypothesis is still in play.


Bail outs for Banksters/ Nothing for Main Street (0.00 / 0)
We need to bail out both, but because the GOP only supports the former, we can only do the former and then the Dems will catch all the flack in 2010 for this extremely unpopular disparity.  The GOP know this very well and their political strategy is to make sure that nothing gets done to help main street (whether its HCR, jobs bills, or anything else).  Then after playing defense in the house and senate, they go on the warpath on the campaign train in 2010 on the hypocrisy of bailouts for banksters while the average working man suffers.  and they said Dick Nixon was dead and buried?

To avert disaster in 2010 the Dems don't need to just fight for jobs, they need to bare knuckles steet fight for jobs.  Stage press conferences, have long debates in the senate, stage rallies whatever it takes to get the stench of the bankster bailouts off them come 2010.  And they need a few hard won reforms to point to in 2010 that back up this rhetoric.  If it takes busting the filibuster to get a modicum of their campaign promises passed, that's the price then.  The GOP upped the ante, not us.  


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In response (0.00 / 0)
1. Still in Iraq. - But we're leaving

2. Still in Afghanistan. - But we might be leaving.  We're not knee-jerk escalating, anyway.

3. Unemployment is sky high. - But it could be much higher

4. The Banksters still have all the money. - But there's the possibility of reform

I know things haven't magically changed in a year.  I know there are trolls like Liebermann and DINOs like Nelson who drag us down.  I know it's disappointing that the Dems haven't stood together and swept through everything that Paul Krugman said they should pass.  But seriously?  What do Republicans offer?  For Republicans, it would be:  

1. Still in Iraq. - Stay there forever!

2. Still in Afghanistan. - Kill the terrorists!

3. Unemployment is sky high. - Let's pass more tax cuts!

4. The Banksters still have all the money. - The problem is that there's too much regulation already.

Not to mention:

5. Hold hearings on whether Obama is an American

6. Reduce federal spending to a trickle while defense gets billions

7. Pass horribly restrictive abortion measures that make the Stupak amendment seem like an expansion of women's rights.

8. Use every trick known to man to hold up Obama's perfectly reasonable choices for federal court justices

and, if they were really bored, and managed to get the House:

9.  Hey, let's impeach him.  We know he's done SOMETHING!

Why would this be an attractive choice for independents?  The slow-moving Dem vs. the psychopath Republican?  The first option might not bring the change we want.  The second option definitely won't.  The only way I could see the psychopaths gaining the advantage is if Democratic voters decided to "punish" the Senate Dems by sitting on their hands, in order to make the "bad" Democrats go away.  The problem is, that might lead to a lot of "good" Dems going away, too.  Chris and others may be open to this suicide swan dive, but I'm not.


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Wow, for all the nail-biting over Blanche Lincoln (0.00 / 0)
she's still in decently good shape - she's leading all her Republican opponents.

who needs jobs? (0.00 / 0)
As I noted on another blog:

Do the powerful forces on Wall Street [and their bankers] want job creation in America? Sure, they don't want an unemployment rate that completely obviates consumer demand. And they don't want unemployment to reach the point that it becomes a political problem.

But if they can sustain an economy with a brand new "normal" unemployment rate at double or more the old "normal" rate, they will embrace it. Why? Because an unemployment rate at 8 to 10 percent virtually ensures a docile labor market. And that means low inflation rates and a further crippling of the union movement.

And this will happen unless something [anything!] resembling the 1930s begins to sprout once again in America.

Where oh where is the left? In the Spring of 2010 there is supposed to be a march on Washington, "to demand jobs, housing, healthcare, full funding for public education and social services, and peace.."

Let this be in the hundreds of thousands. If it [and a broader labor/progressive grassroots movement] fizzles, there will be little or no hope left to cling to. The voters will turn on cue to the Republicans in November and the whole farce in Washington will


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