I Don't Approve Of The Death Penalty, But These Life Sencences ...

by: Natasha Chart

Tue Nov 24, 2009 at 05:02


America was outraged in 2007 when pets started dropping dead from melamine-tainted pet food exported from China. Last year, China was even more outraged when melamine-tainted milk killed six children and sickened 300,000, some experiencing acute kidney failure.

Acute kidney failure means a lifetime of dialysis without an organ transplant. Either way, that's a lifetime of serious and expensive medical issues to drop on a baby and their family, for the rest of what will probably be their much shorter lives.

Two managers identified as particularly responsible for continuing to distribute milk they knew was contaminated have now been executed and several others have been jailed, including the former chair of the offending corporation, who has been given a life sentence.  

Natasha Chart :: I Don't Approve Of The Death Penalty, But These Life Sencences ...
This shouldn't be surprising if you were following the pet food story, as a former head of their state food and drug safety agency was executed after being convicted of bribery in connection with that and other food safety crises.

While I don't approve of the death penalty, and disagree with a lot of China's business practices and lax worker protections, I envy the fact that they've got a country where being a wealthy corporate big wheel or a high-ranking government official doesn't always insulate people from punishment in keeping with what others would be subject to for similar crimes. We can't even get a decent investigation going when our banks crash the world economy, and barely moreso when food companies put out tainted products that kill people.

There is hopefully some middle ground between corporations being free to act with impunity and executing their leaders. Yet when a person dies of someone else's deliberate action or willful neglect, there should be a manslaughter investigation at the very least, if not a full-blown murder investigation.

And there are US states that still enforce the death penalty in certain murder cases, so it isn't like we're really in a position to be high and mighty over this. I say so particularly remembering the enormous collective yawn over George W. Bush's joking treatment of approving executions in Texas. Probably most of the outrage this story would provoke in the US would be based on shock that white collar criminals from 'good families' would ever face the same kind of sentencing hazards as poor, usually brown, street thugs. It's shocking for financially successful people to get prosecuted in the US even when, as in the cases of Enron and WorldCom, their guilt is blatantly obvious.

Though if a company's officers knew their product or workplace was killing people, or was likely to, 'it was profitable' or 'it was too expensive to fix' can't continue to be socially permissible defenses for injuries and deaths or carcinogenic contamination. The people who knew should be tried for resulting deaths as though they were personally responsible for those deaths. Because they were. It shouldn't be less of a crime to sentence someone to death from the distance of your orderly office than it is to personally break their skull open with a bat - they're just as dead and their loved ones will miss them just as much.

Our system of limited corporate liability has been used too many times by US corporations as a license to sicken, defraud and kill people. It's repellent that not only do they often get off with only petty fines, but that they are too often allowed to continue doing business in the good graces of everyone. Going to work can't be an excuse to abandon all humanity for profit.


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Normally, I opposed the death penalty - normally. (4.00 / 3)
However, I have a few CEOs and a couple of politicians I'd like to send their way.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

I don't approve of the death penalty, but nothing. (4.00 / 6)
A society that employs the death penalty devalues life. It abdicates collective responsibility. It gives in to its basest instincts. We saw this in Texas this week where Governor Perry overruled his own parole board and executed a man under Texas's "law of parties." This law allows someone to be sentenced to death if they were party to a crime, even if they had no idea someone else in the party was going to kill someone, or even that they had a weapon. There is no reason this law could not be extended to include, for example, a political protest which turned violent. Throughout history, there has been a tendency to use capital punishment for political murders, to keep people from speaking out. It could happen here too. It's too great a risk.

Devalue? (0.00 / 0)
These corporations and Wall Street Monsters devalue life, except for their own.  The current system does not work one bit.  

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yes but i think the point was (4.00 / 5)
the death penalty should not be part of any replacement systems.

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this already happesn in the u.s. (0.00 / 0)


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I believe I did say that life sentences would be preferable (4.00 / 1)
Maybe I wasn't clear on that. I also disapprove of allowing discussions of what goes on in China to devolve into xenophobia, which I think would be outright invited if I were to bring up these executions as though the US had done away with such practices.

However, I don't actually think it's more barbarous to execute corporate executives who kill people with a penstroke than to execute impoverished people from low income regions whose schools, correctional establishment, medical community and societies usually failed them on multiple counts before they committed the crime for which they face death.


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i oppose the death penalty in all cases but one: (4.00 / 4)
for corporate "persons." when I'm queen of the world, that's a law that goes on the books. did a corporation cause someone's death via malfeasance? well, to the electric chair with it, then.



But nothing, seconded. (4.00 / 3)
Imposing appropriate personal responsibility for crimes committed behind the corporate shield is an important justice issue, but these sentences are a murderous farce.  China is killing people to delude the world into believing they are serious about food safety.  The rich and powerful are not equal with the masses under the law in China.  These sentences have as much to do with reform or real responsibility as the United States' occasionally making an example out of a Bernie Madoff or a Ken Lay - that is, zero.

And the marketing of baby formula has, of course, beendeeply problematic (4.00 / 1)
in China since the early '90's, with their news outlets reporting the absurd lie that 9 out of 10 mothers could not produce breastmilk.(This particularly remarkable article nicely lays on thick doses of misogyny with their "reporting:"
http://www.danwei.org/newspape...
Did you know bra fibers interfere with breastmilk production? Of course they do, and moms are just too vain and "modern" to stop wearing them!)
There's just no reason this industry would be thriving to the extent that is in the first place without massive government complicity and misinformation.  

death penalty (4.00 / 1)
I have asbestos in my lungs from working construction in areas that were contaminated, and working with unsafe products. The companies that made these products knew in the 1920s they were lethal, but kept that information secret to advance profit.

My grandfather died of asbestos related lung cancer when he was 56, in 1956. He worked on steam locomotives and had extreem exposure at the workplace.

Had there been substantial risk associated with this murderous profiteering in the first decades following the time some became aware of the health hazard, perhaps I wouldn't have to die in a slow motion drowning fashion.

The lack of punishment for thoes who murdered me for money does bother me sometimes, but following the teachings of Jesus Christ, I will not take my own vengence.

The old saw remains true however, "Where there is no justice there is violance". Some will make their own justice if sociaty will not. And that is why we need punishment appropriate to the crime.

The CEOs and board members responsible for the asbestos related deaths would all have to be put to death many times each to extract "an eye for an eye" because they killed so many. Since this is impossable, and we don't believe punishment should follow down the bloodlines, forcing their life forfiture is the best we can do. Everyone recoganizes one life cannot balance for hundreds of lives, but nothing can.

I submit that justice (including the death penalty) is necessary to even have civilation exist. That is, without it we will all necessarily devolve into the Hatfields and McCoys.

Government by organized money is no better than government by organized mob..... FDR


The death penalty is a ritual which distracts us (0.00 / 0)
from preventing such tragedy. While possible in the abstract, one cannot use public policies that devalue life and humanity as a way to protect life.  

If you were right that justice through execution was necessary to permit civilization in circumstances such as this, than there would be a a great deal of violence directed at corporate heads.

Instead, non-personalized murder (done by corporations to large numbers of people for profit) is treated as entirely different than personalized murder (one person killing a few persons face to face.)  The solution isn't to demand death for those people, its to actually have policies that will stop them from doing these things.  

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risk and reward (0.00 / 0)
Public policy that will curtail this type of murderous, inhumane exploitation is my goal too.

Just believe that punishment appropriate to the act (crime!) is the best (only?) way to accomplish this end.

Surely you don't mean that icarceration, which does devalue humanity, cannot be used to force change on those who deliberatly harm others for finantial gain. We use it for this purpose every day. And it is fairly successfull when dealing with shoplifters, for example. That is, the risk of justice being delivered on the purp is enough to convince him to not steal from the merchant.

When the money available for criminal action exceeds the earnings of dozens of lifetimes, the risk of punishment must be that much greater to have the desired restraining effect. How do you raise the penality beyond life without parole? This situation is perhaps best illustrated by the lifer that kills a guard. Fear of what reprisal deters him from murder whial doeing life without paroll?

Our entire justice system is based on the premis that risk of punishment is suficient to alter behavior from criminalty to socially acceptable legal behavior. Some just take longer to learn it. And I realise education and rehabilation can be very effective for changing the actions of the underprivalaged, so prison does serve this purpose also. Still there is an element of penance in the penitenitary.

I guess my position can be sumed up as: Until the punishment for premeditated murder of thousands (for money) can be raised sufficiently to stop the practice entirely, the killing will continue..... YOU MAY BE NEXT!



Government by organized money is no better than government by organized mob..... FDR


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Show Executions (0.00 / 0)
Even ignoring the ethics, I'm not sure the Chinese style is effective at all.  The let this corporations get away with (literally) murder while preventing the adaptations of the types of testing, checks and regulations that would actually solve these problems.

In other words, these executions are ass covering exercises used to excuse the leadership of not actually fixing the problem.  Not only do I not approve "but...", I don't even think the "but" is correct on its own merit.


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