Challenges, but no excuses

by: Mike Lux

Tue Nov 24, 2009 at 11:17


One of the biggest differences between insiders and outsiders is this question: why can't they just get it done? And both sides of the divide have a point.

The single biggest complaint I hear by non-DC insiders is the sheer dysfunction of Washington. Whether it's Jon Stewart's very funny interview with Joe Biden the other day, or bloggers attacking Harry Reid for not just wrapping the health care issue up by going to reconciliation, people not involved in the day to day DC maneuvering and negotiating don't understand why all this is so hard and takes so long. Insiders get very grumpy about this attitude, because they have to deal every day with the complications of the Senate procedural rules, the egos and turf battles of the powerful committee chairs, and the traditions and clubbiness of the Senate.

I have a lot of sympathy for people on both sides of the divide. Having served in the White House, and been in DC for 17 years now, I know how hard it is to get things done in this town. And having read my share of history books, I know how hard it is to get big things done in general - it just doesn't happen very often, and it is never ever easy or painless. But I also know this: if Democrats don't deliver now, there will be no excuses. They have to find a way to deliver the goods. History, the media, activists, and voters will offer them no mercy if they can't get health reform done this time around.

So if failure is not an option, and there are four holdout Democrats in the Senate blocking the way to getting a reform bill the rest of the Democratic Party can live with, what is to be done?

A lot of people, including me, have been saying for a while that those four Senators would probably eventually force Reid to use the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes, and in the end they still might because there might be no other option. But a lot of the more liberal Democrats in the Senate (including Harkin, Rockefeller, and Schumer) have started arguing against that option. Their reasons include that the bill would have to be dramatically scaled back to fit within the reconciliation rule, the process would likely be slowed down making pending legislation tougher to pass, and that the bill would have to be referred to Kent Conrad's rather conservative budget committee where all kinds of bad things might happen to it. There are also an undetermined number of otherwise more progressive Senators such as Robert Byrd and Russ Feingold who believe putting health care in reconciliation violates the spirit of reconciliation rules, and would vote against the bill on principle.

These are pretty compelling arguments, so my view is that progressives should not be demanding that Harry Reid put this bill through the reconciliation process. In the end, he may have no other choice, but to demand that before he has had the chance to pursue every other option makes no sense to me. To say Harry Reid - or the President or anyone else - can just force the bill through no matter what is simply not true. The American government, just doesn't work that way. Not even LBJ, the greatest leg-breaker the Senate and Presidency have ever seen, could government by fiat - even with huge Democratic majorities he had to compromise on a range of issues to get things done.

So it's not going to be done by fiat, and we shouldn't care which method is used to get there, but make no mistake: one way or another, the Democrats have to deliver. Failure is not an option, and no excuse will be valid. One way or another, through procedural magic, carrots, sticks, very big sticks, this has to get done. Through cajoling, persuasion, pork, compromise, leg-breaking, or nuclear options, this has to get done.

Whatever it takes.

Mike Lux :: Challenges, but no excuses

Tags: , , , , , (All Tags)
Print Friendly View Send As Email
Dear Mike (4.00 / 2)
Please let me know when I may start asking for reconciliation.

Thanks,
David


As this 'comment' is just snark. (0.00 / 0)
Am I allowed to ask when Mizner will grow some. Am I allowed to ask for something more flatulent eruptions. Or is criticism just a one way street.

If you feel that Mike Lux is saying in this article that HE wont allow you to ask for reconciliation, isn't that more of like your problem?

Please Mr. Mizner, what methodology do you suggest; for which people, to do what, in which order -to pass this bill, or any other bill. Or is the passing of bills not to be discussed, is snark the only thing allowed?

There is a section of the left who think, nay feeel deeply in their hearts, that pointing out how bad it is, is enough. Laying blame, no matter how accurately, is enough. "There I am done for the day, I called him an ass, so my responsibility is done." There is no need among this section of the 'left' to actually do anything, pointing  to the burning building completes half their moral obligation.

To finish the job, they must also spit on the fire fighters for taking too long, working too slow and resting between times on the hose.  

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
Almost rude enough to warrant a TR (4.00 / 1)
But I know you get freaked out by that kind of thing.

Why do you feel the need to belittle david mizner? Doesn't he have the right to voice an opion that differs from yours? Maybe you should try to get him banned, that's your MO of late.

I'm pretty sure I have read some fairly snark-filled posts from you over the years.

I mean, isn't "more like your problem" that comments such as mizner's upset you?  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Perhyaps you could my substantial response to Mikes article. (0.00 / 0)
And not just my snark at snark. I dont TR because it removes the argument, which has often been refuted by soemone very well, and the refutation is instructive. I dont mind if people are banned because, like bried below, are not contributing to the conversation we on the left NEED to have about actually doing somehting to save not just a single bill, but the democracy itself.

Doesn't anyone remember that Rome copied Greece, and was democratic, until there was power to seize, then it was siezed, and democracy was crushed.

We are on, or beyond, the line where America could fall the same way. With Imperators and a Senate that represents nothing.

Mike Lux isn't your boss, its a discussion. Mizner is capable of better. Saying Mike is a diktator is umm insulting " Almost rude enough to warrant a TR" but I refuted it with snark, then with criticism, pointed criticism.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
I can't make heads or tails of what you are saying (4.00 / 1)
Can you please show me where mizner called Lux a dictator?  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
( Sorry )Perhaps you could [read] my substantial response to Mikes article. (0.00 / 0)
And not just my snark at snark. [The subject line and first sentence are to be read together]

I dont TR because it removes the argument, which has often been refuted by soemone[someone] very well, and the refutation is instructive. I dont mind if people are banned because, like "bried"[bried1903 is a commenter you can find him next in line below] below, are not contributing to the conversation we on the left NEED to have about actually doing somehting[something] to save not just a single bill, but the democracy itself.

Doesn't anyone remember that Rome copied Greece, and was democratic, until there was power to seize, then it was siezed, and democracy was crushed.

We are on, or beyond, the line where America could fall the same way. With Imperators and a Senate that represents nothing.

Mike Lux isn't your boss, its a discussion. Mizner is capable of better. Saying Mike is a diktator is umm insulting " Almost rude enough to warrant a TR" but I refuted it with snark, then with criticism, pointed criticism. [merely asking with snark "when I may start" seems to suggest to me, that permission is being revoked, I cannot for the life of read it any other way]

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
House of Pancakes (4.00 / 2)
often doesn't make sense, but from I can tell, his/her heart is in the right place. S/he seems to value earnestness above all else--humor, sarcasm, satire, irony, parody, not so much.  

[ Parent ]
Thank you from the bottom of my apparently genderless heart (4.00 / 2)
I always apologize for my irregular syntax and typos however, and I am willing to discuss well into narrow columns of words.

Satire is best served earnestly.

We are in trouble, bigger trouble than many speak of, there are roads out, but they aren't clear, and hard to travel. I am earnest yes, but only because the job is hard, the goal so necessary and the potential for complete defeat so large.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
Its gonna bug me all day (0.00 / 0)
so I have to ask:

What does the whole "Rome copied Greece" thing have to do with this meta topic? That one is way beyond my puny abilities to read between your lines.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Okay buts its gonna be reed thin, here's my Haiku of explanation (4.00 / 1)
These two quotes: one from the comment you cite, one from the next one, are shorthand for waht I cannot ever seem to forget. I see everything through eyes that are either cleaned or fogged by the knowledge that history both present and past, point to democracy failing, to the powerful giving up on the pretense that they support this "rabble having a voice nonsense" and the fate of the innocent when they do.

Doesn't anyone remember that Rome copied Greece, and was democratic, until there was power to seize, then it was seized, and democracy was crushed.

We are on, or beyond, the line where America could fall the same way. With Imperators and a Senate that represents nothing.



We are in trouble, bigger trouble than many speak of, there are roads out, but they aren't clear, and hard to travel. I am earnest yes, but only because the job is hard, the goal so necessary and the potential for complete defeat so large.

The struggle to restore democracy in this the most experiment since they used pebbles to vote in Athens centuries ago is central to saving the planet, saving the human race and making a world worthy of us.

Its gone a long way down the path toward rule by imperator, we may have already gone too far. McCrystal speaks, Obama obeys, or obviously feels he almost needs to obey, as just one example. The Republicans have published a list of ten points that MUST be acceded to if one is a Republican, one stanza of its antidemocratic screed is: (6) Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges You can't be against the generals or you arent a republican.

So I cannot see the struggle, cannot watch the dustups, without knowing where we are, and what we need to be doing to restore democracy here.

Apparently this makes me earnest. Apparently this makes me think of the big picture, even talking about how to deal with voting rules and how a progressive coalition might respond to tricks designed to deflect change.

We need to do the best possible thinking now, with the greatest attention, and we need to be supporting what needs to be supported, criticize without damaging and help wherever we can, and whenever we are called to.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
Thanks (4.00 / 1)
I guess I'll never understand what all this has to do with d. mizner's snarky little comment, but I appreciate you earnestness.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Special (4.00 / 1)
Because you are special, David, I will let you go first.

[ Parent ]
Excellent reply! (0.00 / 0)


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Thanks, Mike, but it looks like (4.00 / 1)
some damn make-no-sense hippies are getting out in front of me.

"Fight has begun for reconciliation and our democracy."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...


[ Parent ]
Probably because they didn't bother asking for permission :) (4.00 / 1)


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
i'm a plumber. let me rephrase that i have a license, i'm not a republican. (0.00 / 1)
if we built homes the way you people run the govt, we would have 5 crappers in kitchen, lavatories in the tree in the front yard, kitchen sink in the back of your mini van, showers not in the budget so you don't get one and you your dishwasher in on back order you will get in 7 years no lie. some of the fixtures would have water, some hot, some cold, some even where they are supposed to be. some with drains, some in the future. the people in govt act like this is the way this has to be. it's not it's the way they want it to be. breid  

Another just visiting redstater who says that Dems who want progress are responsible for the opposition and bs from conservatives. (4.00 / 1)
[ Parent ]
Not sure which you people you are referring to. (0.00 / 0)
The biggest problem we have is that our government was run for the last 8 years by people whose main goal in life is to discredit government. It will take a while to clean the mess up.

[ Parent ]
No Mike, demanding reconciliation is important, especially now. (4.00 / 2)
Russ Feingold who believe putting health care in reconciliation violates the spirit of reconciliation rules,

I cannot see in what way this is even clear thinking, and it points to may odd positions that "our hero" takes on a regular basis. That he might actually do this, is dispiriting. That he thinks this way: some obscure club voting rule, that replaces democracy with technique, that enforces ancient slave state power grabs, that obscures the right of the people to be represented in their house -is more important than the rights of elected representatives to govern, more importqnt that the establishing the right to healthcare in law, more important than saving the lives of million is ENRAGING. Not just because its so wrong, but because such wrong headed thinking comes from soemone we so often think of as a friend of progress.

We need to right now demand reconciliation, spend money running ads in states that opponents live in, demand greater involvement from Obama, demand stronger push back from progressives, including the restating of the [progressive blocks promise to defeat the damn if it isnt real reform.

Yeah we may need to hunker down, may need to make this a longer fight, we may to organize one whole hell of lot better than we have been, but passing reform is the job, to say nothing of the Deeds Baker Rule: the people who don't vote because "it won't matter" and the dems who stay home because sellout "Dem" politicians like Deeds arent worth the gas to drive to the polls, are together a larger group than the margin of victory.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


Agreed (4.00 / 1)
As Chris pointed out yesterday, we've got to cut the crap of the Senate.  This idea of convention that destroys all momentum out of some ludicrous decorum.  It's a freaking shadow-puppet show.

Figuring out how to be a progressive college graduate transplant to Ohio:  http://citizenobie.wordpress.com/

[ Parent ]
Looking at FDL's strategy (4.00 / 2)
I think they've got their message right, and it's actually pretty similar to what Mike is saying.  Reid must either get the pissy four in line or he must use reconciliation, or any other damn tool in his toolbox to get it done.  I don't think raising the issue of reconciliation this early is a bad thing.  It may not be optimal, but I sure as shit don't want it to be off the table if it's what gets a public option (even a half-assed one) locked in to the final bill.

It's the same reason that we need people raising hell for single-payer at the same time that we need people pursuing other strategies.  It's the same reason we need 350.org even if we don't believe that's coming out of Copenhagen.  So yeah, keep demanding reconciliation so that if it comes to that, they haven't given up on it as an idea.

I'm sick of these DINOdogs.

Figuring out how to be a progressive college graduate transplant to Ohio:  http://citizenobie.wordpress.com/


This is why I do not understand this diary (4.00 / 3)
To me, the issue is Reid taking reconciliation as a threat off the table rather than liberals wanting Reid to definitely use the tool. The problem has consistently been "why are they unnecessarily tying their hands like this unless they have as their agenda to block the public option while pretending to want it." Each step along the way is a move it seems to weaken the public option not just by the conservatives, but by people claiming to support the Public Option. They do this by using the conservatives as a foil even while they tie their hands to claim "see we had no choice." It seems a lie at this point that one has to be willfully blind to ignore. Reid has the choice of using the threat. He just chooses to say it is off the table. How is that the fault of liberals?

[ Parent ]
He hasn't taken it off the table. (4.00 / 1)
It's still sitting there waiting to be used. He has said he doesn't want to do it, but everyone knows it still is an option.

[ Parent ]
I think it needs to be brought more forward. (0.00 / 0)
Thats the disagreement. If its more forward, say by being demanded by us for example. AND I DO. Then its a more powerful tool. Perhaps if Reid says "I dont want to use this powerful tool...." That will make its eventual use seem less like using a tool, more like the forced choice he can't afford, as thats true apparently, and possibly more politically useful later.

BUT, for us to stop demanding it is not a good idea. We must demand it, and demand that backsliders be dealt with more strongly, and primaried and ads taken out etc. as they say etc.

We must continue to demand that real reform passs, because we are going to be angry as hell, and not nice in the coalition Democrats at all.

Has anyone started talking to Hollywood about defunding the DSCC yet?

Who have we got in California?

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
If you say you don't want to do something (4.00 / 1)
You are projecting weakness because it goes to likelihoods of what will be the outcome of any given resistance to your goals.

Let me try to rephrase that: I really have no idea where many of you coming from regarding negotiation strategy. Rahm announcing early, for example, that the White House would accept any bill is a smart negotiation strategy how? President Obama announcing deadlines, and then ignoring them creates a sense of "he means it" how? The same here- Reid saying "reconciliation is unlikely" is a smart move how?

If you are going to have a stick, then you have to make it clear to the opposing party that you are perfectly willing to use that stick or they are not going to be afraid of it. I do not understand the negotiation logic.

If you say to an opposing party that the likelihood of using a stick is small, the opposing party not going to be afraid of it. Likelihood of use does matter to players in the game when it comes to weighing the relative risks involved in any given move.

Ben Nelson said as much a week or more ago when it came to reconciliation. That's the point.  


[ Parent ]
I my humble opinion someone in Reid's position (4.00 / 2)
should not seek to appear as though they do not wish to use every tool at their disposal to get the necessary reform (he DOES think reform is necessary, right?) signed into law.

Even if he doesn't necessarily WANT to use reconciliation, he should not allow that hesitation to become known. Especially to his opponents. They should be in a position where they expect him to bring that particular hammer down on their pointed little heads at any time and for any reason. Why? Because then they won't be encouraged to push him around and test how seriously he doesn't want to use that tool.

I can see the logic in your comment, but in the context of the rather poor strategies employed by the Dems and progressives from the beginning of this process, Reid's hesitation serves to underscore his weakness.

If Reid won't threaten to rouse the hiberating bear that is reconciliation, then someone else must.  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
great post (4.00 / 1)
thanks mike.

Another name for government by fiat (0.00 / 0)
Thank you, Mike, for your balanced view on this issue. As for those who think that Reid can somehow just "get it done," please remember that there are other names for government by fiat (pick one):
~ dictatorship
~ tyranny
and we came as perilously close to those under the Bush regime as I ever want to see in this country!

We are still close. Probably even still in it, looking for a way out. (0.00 / 0)
We have elected a wildly popular, widely trusted president, we have a super majority in both houses, and we can do nothing.

And no real path to letting the public know that their government has been stolen by stealth, and that there is a path out.

"More better dems" says it to us, here, but it is not a rallying cry for the public. The way out is past, as in leaving behind the club of the senate, the blue dog senators, and the republicans who wear blue coats.

The way out is being as direct and honest and earnest as the right, but with sense, and honesty and facts and compassion and democracy.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
that's pretty silly (4.00 / 1)
We are discussing whether a policy that is supported by a majority of Representatives, a majority of Senators, the House leadership, the Senate leadership, and the President of the United States can be passed into law. Oh, and it was discussed extensively in both primary and general elections.



New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


[ Parent ]
I have French friend who says (jokingly of course) (0.00 / 0)
I have nothing against a dictatorship, in theory. Its just that in practice, they always seem to push agendas with which I disagree. One day, we'll find a dictator that pushes MY agenda and then we'll see how serious I am about democracy.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
so what about pushing for reform? (4.00 / 2)
Will we see the "insiders" show some leadership on reforming the way government doesn't work? Chris has started to push on this, and I think this post suggests it should be a major priority. We know from California that it's possible to set up a structure that doesn't function at all. We're getting close to it in the federal government. Also, past generations have reformed the system, these structures were not laid done by God during Genesis, many are recent inventions and others arose by accident.

Is it good for America to have vast numbers of positions in the executive branch unfilled because the Senate can't approve them in a reasonable time?

Why does it take 60 votes to do anything when the Constitution calls for a majority? Why can the filibuster now be applied to anything and everything? The filibuster must be changed.

The tradition of unlimited debate sounds nice, but it seems that (besides the filibuster) it takes too much time on the Senate floor to get anything done if even one senator wants to gum up the works.  

Why do important bills have to go through two or three
committees? Can't there be one committee to write a bill?

Shouldn't there be more turnover in committee chairmen?

Can anything be done about the revolving door of lobbyists?

Why is the intelligence oversight committee completely hampered from providing real oversight?

Isn't the growth of "czars" a reflection of the failed Senate confirmation process and unwieldness of the government?

Why are there so many cabinet officials anyway?

I'm sure there are plenty more.

Of course I realize that reforms will not solve all our problems: We have Republicans who want everything to fail, and a diverse Democratic coalition of self-styled conservative, moderates, and liberals that don't agree on the best solutions. I also know that many of these flaws were used to resist Bush and Cheney. But we have a system where it seems it is nearly impossible to try to deal with our problems.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


We have to... (4.00 / 2)
push for a reform of the Senate rules. They are designed to get nothing done.

[ Parent ]
It isnt really nothing, as things are changing for the worse fast. (4.00 / 2)
[ Parent ]
Go for it (4.00 / 1)
Why does it take 60 votes to do anything when the Constitution calls for a majority? Why can the filibuster now be applied to anything and everything? The filibuster must be changed.

There's talk of lowering the number right now.

Guess there are so many committees in order to distribute the deliberative process - Judiciary handles the legal aspects, Finance handles the proposals to pay for legislation, Budget must be have responsibility for pulling together the Senate's preferences that will be sent on to the House. Chairmanships DO have to be rotated as far as I understand.

Here's Ezra Klein interviewing author/prof Greg Koger, Nov. 13.

 Could the majority use the filibuster to talk, also?

The best example of this is the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It was the longest debate in the Senate's history. But the majority wasn't trying to wait out the Southerners. Instead, they just let them talk, and would send their guys down, and argue against them when they would, for instance, deny that lynchings happen in the South. This helped public opinion turn.

The benefit to the majority can be that public attention focuses. They know the bill is there and they know the Republicans are blocking it. That becomes the basis for news coverage. When will the bill be done? What's going on today? In that sense, you can win. The point is not that you exhaust the Republicans, but that you embarrass them. X number of people died today. I hope that whatever you had to say was more important.

And time can work on your side. In 1913, the second item on Woodrow Wilson's agenda was what we now know of as the Federal Reserve Act. The bill came up December 1st., and the Democrats said we'll stay here till the bill passes. If that means we don't get a Christmas break, we don't get a Christmas break. That focused people's attention.

Read the comments. Some seem quite informed.



[ Parent ]
through compromise, eh? (4.00 / 1)
what the fuck else can we compromise on?  maybe reproject the start date to 2050, after Lieberman is dead?

Have a little faith, Travis (4.00 / 1)
The congressional Dems will find something upon which to compromise. Its their forte. If they are really that hard up for ideas, a quick phone call to the WH will help.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
you're assuming (4.00 / 1)
that Lieberman and Nelson (and a few others) want a bill to pass. They may want this whole project to fall apart to maximize GOP gains and their own leverage post-2010.

If that's their goal, we may have no choice but reconciliation, despite its many drawbacks.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


[ Parent ]
I was making a joke (0.00 / 0)
But in context of your comment, my phrase "congressional Dems" should read "progressive Dems", or "Dems to the left of the gang of 4".

Those folks probably want a bill to pass. Some want it so badly, they've already told us (in public no less) that they'll vote for practically any bill, regardless of what it contains.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
So.... (4.00 / 2)
Rather than hold to the threat of kill the bill, we had to give in to:
1. the opt-out;
2. a not-strong, not-robust, not-medicare-like PO (which pretty much defeated the entire purpose of everything we were working for);
3. losing the Kucinich and Wiener amendments, and;
4. the Stupak amendment.
Plus some other stuff I'm probably forgetting, but I think those cover the big things.

And now we have to give in again rather than push the threat of reconciliation?

Oh my god!  It's...it's all so clear to me, now.  How did I ever miss it before?  To win, we must give up!  How stupid of me not to see this sooner.  If only we had given up during 2008, even more Democrats would have been elected.  Agggh!  And to think I spent all that time helping out, when all I had to do was sit at home and do nothing.  That'll teach me not to fight.

If you don't fight, you can't win.
Never give up. Never Surrender.


Donate to Open Left








Friends of the Earth thanks the OpenLeft community for the ideas you generate and your contributions to the progressive movement.

As an anti-spam measure, there is a 24-hour waiting period after registering before new users can comment.
blog advertising is good for you
blog advertising is good for you
SEARCH

   

Advanced Search