David Frum Cites His Enrollment At Harvard As Proof There's No American Health Care Crisis

by: David Sirota

Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 09:15


I know what you are thinking - you are thinking that the headline of this post is a joke. But it's not. It's not at all. Watch my CNN debate over Afghanistan and health care yesterday morning with former Bush speechwriter David Frum - specifically check out around 4 minutes in:

As you can see, Frum insists that Harvard's landmark study showing 45,000 Americans die each year for lack of health care is false. He makes this allegation with no proof whatsoever - unless you count as proof the fact that Frum says, "I went to Harvard, believe me."

If you don't accept Frum's Harvard experience as proof that Harvard Medical School researchers, the Cambridge Alliance and the Journal of Public Health are wrong (like I assume most people will not) then read Harvard's study here. Or, if you reject Harvard's study, then consider the argument I further made - specifically, that the number of Americans who have died and will die for lack of health care is at minimum in the "tens of thousands." That is substantiated by the Urban Institute and the Institute of Medicine.

But, then, the point here isn't reiterating the verifiable fact that there is a health care crisis in America. The point here is to show that neoconservatives will do absolutely anything to make sure that their warmongering agenda come before any other life-or-death priority - they will even go on CNN and cite their Ivy League pedigree as "proof" that a health care crisis isn't happening.

Frum, of course, tries to pull the tired Tea Party trick of citing the constitution as reason why we should spend roughly the same amount annually on the Afghanistan War as the annual cost of universal health care. He insists that while the constitution mandates the government provide for the defense of the country, it doesn't mandate anything else. For those clinging to that laughably absurd argument, please Google the terms "constitution" and "general welfare clause" - and thanks for playing.

He then tries to say the Afghanistan War as a national security issue, while the health care crisis is not. But even that assertion doesn't make any sense when you really think about it. If "national security" at its core means protecting the general population from death and bodily harm, then by the sheer body count, the health care crisis is a FAR bigger national security threat than Afghanistan.

Even if you ascribe every terrorist-related American death on and since 9/11 solely to Afghanistan, and then add in all American casualties in Afghanistan, you are looking at no more than 8,000 Afghanistan-related deaths since 9/11. Compare that to health care deaths - even if you use the lowest (and most outdated) figure of 18,000 health insurance deaths a year, you are looking at 162,000 American casualties from the health care crisis in the same time. Projecting forward, even if you insist there will be three 9/11's every year without continued prosecution of the Afghanistan War, you are looking at 9,000 Afghanistan-related American deaths a year. Again, compare that to the lowest estimate of 18,000 health care deaths a year - and you get the point. As I said before and I will say again, as long as you accept the basic definition of "national security" as securing the general population from death the numbers prove the health care crisis is a FAR bigger national security crisis for America.

For neoconservatives like Frum, however, those facts don't comport with their extremist ideology, and so they resort to citing their Establishment credentials (in Frum's case, his attendance at Harvard) to fabricate a fantastical world that doesn't actually exist - a world where there is no health care crisis, and where escalating a war in Afghanistan is a better way to save American lives than reforming health care. It is a world, as one Bush neoconservative told the New York Times, outside of the "reality-based community" where neoconservatives "create our own reality."

And obviously - obviously! - we should all just rest assured that this created reality will ultimately exist, because hey, David Frum went to Harvard University.

David Sirota :: David Frum Cites His Enrollment At Harvard As Proof There's No American Health Care Crisis

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I hate it when..... (0.00 / 0)
people continue to throw out these numbers without really being able to verify them.  the fact is that more than 45,000 people die each year.  whether or not you have insurance in not the factor.  people die.  how can anyone determine if 45,000 people died as a result of not having insurace?  are we saying they wouldn't have died if they had insurance?  the bottom line is EVERYONE should have insurance and the opportunity to prolong life as much as possible.  All these false numbers do is attempt to add shock value.  The reality is there is no way of knowing.  We continue to make argument around these numbers where the argument that should be made is health as a basic human right of every individual.    

Why This Sort of Either/Or Thinking? (4.00 / 3)
I certainly believe that health care is a human right, and that we should be approaching the entire health care debate via that larger framework.

But I can't for the life of me understand why that should mean that we don't talk about the deadly consequences of failing to recognize that right.

All this:

people continue to throw out these numbers without really being able to verify them.  the fact is that more than 45,000 people die each year.  whether or not you have insurance in not the factor.  people die.  how can anyone determine if 45,000 people died as a result of not having insurace?  are we saying they wouldn't have died if they had insurance?

could easily have been a direct quote from any wignut on any number of wingnut websites.  It's just plain ignorant, and shows a total lack of understanding of how statistical social sciences work.  Not to mention a complete disinterest in overcoming one's own ignorance.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Its not ignorance (0.00 / 0)
its a play on words.  statistical social science didn't determine that 45,000 people died BECAUSE they didn't have health insurance.  the studies found 45,000 who died without health insurance.  Yes, there are people who died becuase the lack of preventive screening and lack of access to preventive health care.  But there are also people with very good health care coverage who don't utilize it and die.

There is is diffeernce and people are not ignorant because they question the data.  That is what we are suppose to do.  

My main point however is that even 1 person dying without an opportunity to have and use the health care system is too many.  


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Let me explain this on a personal level to you (4.00 / 3)
My mother passed away a few years ago. The reason she passed away was the disease she had killed her. The disease she had, if it had been earlier detected, would have increased the chance of her survival greatly. The reason she was not able to seek early care is she did not have health insurance. Your comments are nonsensical. The causation here is not word play. It is a reflection of how a lack of health insurance dictates people's behaviors, and in turn, leads to unnecessary deaths. This is a discussion of causation, and by your own admission of facts, it is clear you do not understand that concept. The fact that others die anyway is not a refutation of the causation regarding the lack of health care insurance deaths. It is a red herring. I am not sure if you will understand this analogy, but I will try to give you one anyhow: Because some people die of heart disease, there is no such thing as cancer.  

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I am sorry for the loss of you mother (0.00 / 0)
I too lost my monther on Nov 10th of this year.  fortunately, she did have health insurance through Medicare.  she was treated fairly, with diginity and respect by her doctors, care givers, and facilites.  I only wish that everyone could have access and recieve the same level of care.  

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I do not understand the technology behind how the internet works (4.00 / 4)
Therefore, there is no way that it can actually work. See the problem?

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Frum (4.00 / 4)
I have not been impressed by his recent attempts to decrazify the Republican party.  Frum is no moderate.  As this example illustrates, he is shameless.  I would turn beet red trying to refute a peer reviewed paper on such a pathetic basis.  If I was to read his motives, he wants a saner seeming GOP because it can win more elections and start those wars he likes so much.  If a crazy GOP could win elections, he wouldn't mind.  After all, he didn't complain about how crazy the GOP was in 2004, it was only once they started losing that their utter absurdity became an issue for him.

So, once again, on behalf of Canada, sorry about Frum.  We'd take him back, but as nice as we are, I don't think we're quite that nice.    


Argument From Authority Is All They Have (4.00 / 3)
And they'll use anything to claim authority.

Just ask five-deferments Cheney about his authority on military matters.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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