How the old and powerful treat the young and disposable

by: tremayne

Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 10:02


This statement will come as no surprise to Open Left readers: People with power tend to use it for their own benefit. Of course, the explanations given for various actions are almost never: "We're doing because it's good for us and our friends." Instead, a variety of rationalizations are given which often seem to "make sense" if one doesn't ponder things for too long. How does this play out when considering policies affecting our youngest voting citizens, those aged 18, 19 and 20 years old?

Keep in mind that policy makers are, generally, old. The average U.S. Senator is 63. Representatives average a few years younger. Recent Presidents range from late 40s to about 70 with a mean in the late 50s.

These older (wiser?) men and women (a few) think it's just fine to send the youngest citizens to die in wars. In fact, 76.5 percent of U.S. casualties in Iraq have been soldiers younger than 30. The percentage for Afghanistan is 66.5. Rationalization: soldiers need to be in top physical condition, so the young must bear this burden.

But the greatest hypocrisy concerns 18-20 year olds. So far, 850 have died in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars this decade; 748 in Iraq and 102 in Afghanistan. Another 600 just turned 21 before they died in those countries. And yet, we prohibit 18-20 year olds from drinking alcohol. Why is this?

It's because old people would prefer that young people don't drink. Young people are, obviously, too irresponsible to drink. Give them an assault weapon or a tank but not a beer. It's a simple power play: we'd prefer you not drink so we won't let you and we'd prefer you go and die in wars but not us.

This is the point in the argument where the call for changing the drinking age is supposed to come but I'm not going to do that. Doesn't really matter that much. Instead, I'll call for this: change the age for combat to 40-65. Educate the young and let them start careers and families. Send the older citizens to die in war.

Added benefit: war policies might begin to change.

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Hell no, I won't go (4.00 / 3)
This thought is older than any member of the Senate. Not that it doesn't have merit, mind you, but I have to say that I'm no more willing to go to war in my sixties than I was in my teens or twenties. I was in a minority as much then as I am now.

Young people sent to war go for a number of reasons. It's partly that we hoodwink them, yes, but many of them go for their own reasons, and if they survive, those reasons harden into a set of opinions which they never examine seriously again, and which allow them to send the young of the next generation to repeat their folly.

This isn't about generations; it's about the human condition, and all ages are subject to its contradictions.


Cheeky bastard (0.00 / 0)
This is a terrific idea. Older people besides have lived a mostly full life, especially if they're over 60. Problem is that while feeling your life threatened is useful, realizing what you have done to innocent men, women, and children and their families and friends is even more horrific. How you rub the noses of members of Congress and the political establishment in the wanton destruction of the past few years, that's the problem.

I'd also note that my adult political life has been hijacked by the likes of Reagan, Bush, and Clinton. While I voted for Clinton, especially over Dole, I did it holding my nose. Perhaps it is common in the US to spend your whole adult life voting while holding your nose, but it seems wrong. Now it appears Obama is threatening to do to the next generation what Reagan and the rest did to mine. Sad.

It also makes me wonder what the difference is between first world countries like Norway and the Czech Republic and similar countries that balance the tax and spend equation far better than the US, never mind the war mongering. Perhaps the inability or refusal to care for our citizens, especially the least among us, is caused by the same impulse that causes war mongering.


I too want the drinking age to be 18 (4.00 / 1)
But I have to acknowledge that young, drunk drivers are especially dangerous. I see that an estimated 900 lives are saved a year from the age 21 drinking according to MADD. Another study is here

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...

that seems to be similar.

That's way more lives -- since it is every year, peacetime or wartime -- than you claim to be concerned about in war.



New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


Maybe the better solution is to raise the minimum age for the army (4.00 / 1)
I'm sure many kids would think twice at age 21, before making this "carreer" move.  

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we could save 15,000 lives a year (0.00 / 0)
by not allowing anyone to drink. let's bring back prohibition!

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My thoughts exactly (0.00 / 0)
Or why not ban cars altogether?  Think how many lives that would save.  Not to mention the environmental benefits and restricting urban sprawl.

Hell, let's just ban freedom.  It's "untidy", as Secretary Rumsfeld said.  Imagine how safe and protected we'd be under a police state!


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pitting one generation against another (4.00 / 2)
how progressive
most older Americans are primarily dependent upon Social Security (which Obama wants to deformreform) for their support. Does that sound rich and powerful to you?

Class differences, not age (4.00 / 3)
As dcblogger has pointed out, this is an argument that divides the generations, as if the wars have anything to do with age differences. This is a Republican argument which they have used and will use to destroy Social Security and they'll do that with the help of some "older" (many Democrat) senators.

This isn't about age differences. It's about class differences and the class nature of the U.S. Senate and politicians in general. The Senate truly has become a House of Lords. Sure some of those senators have children and grand children in the military, but mainly those family members are kept from dangerous roles. I've never read of any congressional family members being required to drive in contaminated fuel truck convoys with inadequate security measures so some mega contractor can have an excuse to replace the trucks at the standard military rip off prices. They look out for THEIR young. Not you and yours.

I doubt that these wars would have continued as they have (going nowhere other than generating great wealth for some) if there was a universal draft requiring all to serve. That's why Republicans are so against the draft. The volunteer (read mercenary) army uses the poorest and most needy as the expendables. Americablog's John Aravosis has a post today about his meeting a young man who was joining the military so he can get a college education with the support the military provides. That's if he lives to go to college and he ever gets out of the repeated combat tours.

It's about class, not age.

And Obama has demonstrated that he's no different in regard to class. He's elite. Not like you and me, young and old.


Single payer health care (0.00 / 0)
And it will solve the health care crisis too!

What do you suggest? (0.00 / 0)
Drafting senior citizens to fight in Afghanistan?

or maybe letting combat veterans drink, regardless of their age?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Rights should never be conditional upon government service (0.00 / 0)
this isn't Starship Troopers.

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