Anguish and a Ray of Hope

by: Mike Lux

Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 12:15


I am deeply saddened on so many different levels by the President's speech last night, and his Afghanistan policy in general. Steady escalation is not the answer to this godawful complicated mess. It's all well and good to keep making the argument as to why this is not another Vietnam, although it sure does feel that way to a lot of us, but the big question in terms of comparisons is how this is different than Britain or Russia's experience in Afghanistan itself.

I am also deeply anguished as someone who has a much broader agenda than just this war or even foreign policy and national security in general. The money we will spend, and the political capital that will be burnt, by this war are a horrible price to pay- and for what goal? Will this surge defeat Al Queda and the Taliban once and for all? Will they make Afghanistan and Pakistan safe places for the long run? It just doesn't seem very likely.

This is at its core also bad politics on so many different levels. History is very clear on this topic. Two of our last three Democratic Presidents have had their presidencies broken and sunk on the rocks of a terrible relationship with the progressive base: Jimmy Carter over economics, and LBJ over a wrong- headed land war in Asia. With this escalation, and with Geithner and Summers running Obama's economic policy, this President seems like he wants to pick fights with us in both areas. It truly is heart breaking.

There is one of ray of hope in this announcement, and that is the announcement of an actual timeline for an exit. Giving us an exit plan with an actual timeline is extremely important politically, and does give me some comfort. The scary thing is that we know almost for sure that the generals and their allies in congress will start clamoring about a year from now that "conditions on the ground" show that we can't get things done under Obama's timeline, and that he needs to change his plan. The big question at that point is just how much gumption Obama has, whether he will stand up to the significant political pressure that will be raining down on him. But for now, let's absolutely give him credit for getting at least this part of the strategy right. He is calling the surgers' bluff: they say they need these troops for a short term burst of activity to uproot the Taliban's strength once and for all. Obama is giving it to them, but telling them they have only 18 months to prove their case. We must hope, for the country's sake and for his own sake, that when these folks come back to him and say "Whoops, we can't get this taken care of in the short term" (because we all know they will), that Obama stands up to them and says no.

A dear friend of mine is a Marine officer who was recently deployed to Afghanistan, on a week's notice, after 2 tours of duty in Iraq. For him, and for all his brothers and sisters in arms, my anguish and worry about this newest escalation is intense. For him, and all the rest of America's soldiers in Afghanistan, I hope that Obama sticks to his exit strategy. It could not come a moment too soon.  

Mike Lux :: Anguish and a Ray of Hope

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"how much gumption Obama has" (4.00 / 1)
WTF? Obama has gumption??? Who knew?  

anguish? nonsense. (0.00 / 0)
Lieberman's back in the fold.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpoin...


from wonkette (0.00 / 0)
Joe Lieberman Quite Pleased With Young Obama's Progress



[ Parent ]
We need to get out of Afghanistan... (0.00 / 0)
And let the people there take control of their country again. Why are we again trying to foist an unpopular and corrupt regime on another country? And why do we think this will somehow be different from all those other times when foreign occupiers tried to "tame Afghanistan"?

This is just wrong-headed policy, but I hope Obama is being honest about wanting to begin withdrawal in 18 months.

Yes, Virginia, there are progressives in Nevada.


Every party needs a "pooper"... (0.00 / 0)
And, I regret being one by adding to the anguish; anguish which I share.

huffington Post
White House: Personnel Will Remain In Afghanistan Long After 2011 Drawdown
Sam Stein
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...


Is Anyone Else As Intrigued As I Am About The 2011 Deadline? (0.00 / 0)
Sounds awfully close to some kind of significant election.

Too cynical?

Figuring out how to be a progressive college graduate transplant to Ohio:  http://citizenobie.wordpress.com/


Every American war has harmed progressivism (4.00 / 4)
The Spanish American war helped kill the Populists and may have been started for that purpose. During WWI the Socialists were busted and many progressives voted out of office. WWII marked Roosevelt's turn to the center and the destruction of the successful progressive parties in Wisconsin and Minnesota and North Dakota, and anti-Communism even before the Korean War was used to tame the unions and to squash Democratic progressives. And we all know about the Vietnam War.

In the US, war and race ruin everything.


But is that a bug, (0.00 / 0)
or a feature?

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
Depends who asks the question (4.00 / 1)
The key is to keep the features looking like bugs so that one can maintain plausible deniability.

But, maybe I'm restating the obvious.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Needed historical context from John Emerson (0.00 / 0)
The more things change the more they stay the same.

Not uplifting I know, but I don't see any rays of hope in Obama's speech.

Giving us an exit plan with an actual timeline is extremely important politically,

and nothing. Period.

Giving us change is preferable.


[ Parent ]
What Obama said last night (4.00 / 1)
was basically as if he had said "Look, we're running out of fossil fuels and they're bad for the environment anyway, so I've got no choice but to spend $30B to figure out a way to turn tapioca into energy". Or something like that, but with an obviously far more deadly cost than mere money.

I.e. he tried to explain why he's decided to do something that can't possibly succeed, that will cost us far more than it will get us or Afghanis (if it gets us or them anything at all), that is poorly if at all thought out, and which he's obviously doing for political and perhaps psychological reasons.

Because Obama can't or won't stand up to the generals, pundits, MIC and GOP (and has perhaps been bought out by some of them), and has a huge but also hugely flawed ego (egos are like hearts--the bigger they are, the more defective they tend to be) that simply cannot accept "defeat" (shades of his humiliating loss to Bobby Rush in '00), he's decided to double down on a cause that was irretrievably lost years ago, and can NEVER be won except on a time, money and human scale that he couldn't possibly commit us to. And this ain't that.

Obama is doing this for much the same reasons that LBJ and Nixon pushed on in Vietnam (i.e. ego, vanity, weakness, cowardice, and NOT the obviously unattainable ostensible goal of defeating "evil" and bringing peace and stability to said country). And he'll probably never let himself realize that, so great are his (and that of his adulatory fans, who enable it) powers of self-deception. How can something this "smart" be so transparently stupid?

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


What about Clinton ? (4.00 / 1)
You said

Two of our last three Democratic Presidents have had their presidencies broken and sunk on the rocks of a terrible relationship with the progressive base: Jimmy Carter over economics, and LBJ over a wrong- headed land war in Asia.

I wonder that you don't include Clinton and NAFTA and the Democratic Congress who pissed away healthcare apparently from personal pique.

IMHO, Democrats have been losing by moving right since LBJ.

 


Two things missing from Obama's speech (4.00 / 2)
One, that it will be paid for by a tax on the well-heeled.  Since it is disproportionately the less well-off that are volunteering for the firing line, a war tax on the well-off should surely be sellable as a matter of fairness.

Second, I have a colleague who worked in Afghanistan in the 1960s and 70s, and he tells me that people are badly uninformed about its history.  Most people think of Afghanistan as the country written about by Rudyard Kipling.  But there was a more recent time when Afghanistan was a secular country, where women had the vote.  It was Cold War politics that turned it into a cesspool that bred the Taliban and Al Qaeda.  Restoring Afghanistan to some semblance of its pre-Cold War identity could be a worthy cause.

The fact that Obama is not making these obvious points to inspire people tells me this is all kabuki to satisfy the inside-the-Beltway conventional wisdom, to avoid the political storms of withdrawing.  

There is no mission.


Interesting - more historical context (4.00 / 1)
The fact that Obama is not making these obvious points to inspire people tells me this is all kabuki to satisfy the inside-the-Beltway conventional wisdom, to avoid the political storms of withdrawing.

Kabuki, indeed. If Obama, the intellectual, is aware of these historical contexts you provide - that Cold War politics turned Afghanistan into a cesspool breeding Taliban and Al Qaeda, then "Inside-the-Beltway conventional wisdom" is just more military-industrial complex spending.

Oh, those tax and spend Dems and those war-mongering Repubs.

What to do. We thought Obama was the a way out.


[ Parent ]
So surprised so many Obama supporters did not listen (0.00 / 0)
during the actual election. Obama told us then that Afghanistan was the "good war" that the repukes walked away from to go to Iraq. Many of you seemed to think his Iraq speech meant he was anti-war, but no, go back and read what he said, which was that we had to go back and fight the "good war"

And we had to elect him because Hillary was pro war...,

How is that working out for us Democrats???


[ Parent ]
The most telling line in this post: (0.00 / 0)
"Giving us an exit plan with an actual timeline is extremely important politically, and does give me some comfort."

I think Obama's intention was indeed to give wishy-washy leftists comfort. Mission accomplished! I did not hear an "exit plan," other than, "we will withdraw," and I'm not quite sure what "actual" means here. Do you mean the timeline that both Hillary Clinton and Gates disavowed shortly after the speech?

Why would 18 months of activity uproot the Taliban once and for all? In interview after interview, the locals say that they cannot anger the Taliban because the Americans won't be there forever. Does this make sense? Sure makes sense to me.


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