Reactions to the New York State marriage vote

by: Adam Bink

Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 16:27


1. We lost 24-38. All 30 Republicans voted no (I wrote that Little voted yes when a colleague just off the floor said he heard her vote yes, which was mistaken). Eight out of 32 Democrats voted no.

2. Monserrate, one of the Senators who flipped control of the Senate in a coup earlier this year, and who was recently convicted on charges of slashing his girlfriend's face, voted no. He was in favor of marriage equality for years, dating back to his time on the NYC City Council. He was in favor in his run for Senate. Marriage Equality New York reported him in favor when we won the State Senate last fall. He voted no. He is already a big target.

3. We got two of the five undecided Dems I listed (Foley, Valesky). Addabbo, Huntley, Kruger voted no.

4. All of the four hard No's I reported a few weeks ago indeed turned out to be No's (Aubertine, Diaz, Onorato, Stachowski).

5. On why in the world we would have a vote only to lose by eight votes, here's Sen. Tom Duane, the openly gay lead sponsor and vote-counter, back in April:

Sen. Tom Duane, D-Manhattan, the leading advocate of same-sex marriage in the Senate, predicts passage with votes to spare. We'd settle for any margin sufficient to remove one more barrier of discrimination.

In May:

But Tom Duane, the Manhattan Democrat leading the gay marriage push in the Senate, said he's sure there will be enough votes, including some from Republican lawmakers.

With Assembly passage, Duane said "the logjam will be over."

"There will be some 'me-tooism,' " Duane added.

In June:

State Senator Tom Duane of Manhattan, the openly gay, hyper-vocal proponent of marriage equality, said yesterday that he's received private assurances from at least 32 of his colleagues that they will vote in favor of a marriage-equality bill introduced by Governor Paterson and recently passed by the State Assembly. Though he wouldn't specify which senators had pledged support, he did say the list included several Republicans. "I would not want to deny them the pleasure of telling you themselves. That would just be wrong and really impolite of me to do that," he said, assuring simply: "I have the votes."

In October, following being called out by the Empire State Pride Agenda at their dinner:

So, I think there's some fear that marriage might not happen. But it is happening. We have the votes the governor is providing great leadership on it. He absolutely wants it to happen the votes are there for it to pass.

In November:

I'm not releasing my vote count until we're ready to vote. What people have told me, they've told me in confidence. It just wouldn't be appropriate for me to share that.

One way to look at this is that Duane can't count votes. Probably more accurate is that he, and the Dem leadership, were lied to en masse. I'm told by a number of reliable sources that we had commitments from several Republicans to vote yes. This felt wrong from the moment I saw not a single Republican spoke on the floor in debate, probably because there was a live video stream and no one wanted to get on tape being a homophobe. Essentially, we got punked.

Update: In Sen. Duane's statement I received over e-mail, the first paragraph hints at that:

Today's vote against Marriage Equality makes me very angry.  Promises made were not honored.  The Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) community, and all fair-minded New Yorkers have been betrayed.  I am enraged, deeply disappointed and profoundly saddened by the vote today.

6. As a Western New York native, where my entire family still lives and where I went to college, this feels like a punch in the gut. For the second time in as many months. Losing by so many hurts even more. Earlier this month I learned I were ever to get married back home, my intended and I would become the first same-sex couple ever married at my home synagogue in Williamsville, NY. I guess it will have to wait a little while longer.

The good news is that I'm headed to NYC on Saturday for a NYS-focused online organizing conference, where many of us will be scheming on how to start knocking off as many of the Senators as we can who screwed us today. The recently-launched reBootNY, which you should sign up for if you want to do something about this, is one way. This ain't over.

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Didn't Monserrate beat up his girlfriend? (0.00 / 0)
He's also supposed to be rather progressive -- endorsed by the Working Families Party.

What's really disgraceful is that 6 of the 8 Democrats who voted "no" are all from New York City.  What kind of organizing effort was there at the grassroots level to mobilize their constituents?  I see Garden State Equality doing that in NJ, and Equality Maine did that in Maine earlier this year.  That's how you get these legislators to vote our way.  Put the fear of God in them ...


re: whip count (4.00 / 1)
I'm told by a number of reliable sources that we had commitments from several Republicans to vote yes.

never trust republicans

The good news is that I'm headed to NYC on Saturday for a NYS-focused online organizing conference, where many of us will be scheming on how to start knocking off as many of the Senators as we can who screwed us today. The recently-launched reBootNY, which you should sign up for if you want to do something about this, is one way. This ain't over.

that's the spirit. the bastards will pay


Agreed... (4.00 / 2)
One way to look at this is that Duane can't count votes. Probably more accurate is that he, and the Dem leadership, were lied to en masse. I'm told by a number of reliable sources that we had commitments from several Republicans to vote yes. This felt wrong from the moment I saw not a single Republican spoke on the floor in debate, probably because there was a live video stream and no one wanted to get on tape being a homophobe. Essentially, we got punked.

My guess from the quote in the other thread:

* W-X-Y-Z of the GOP told Duane they would vote for it

* A-B-C-D of the Dems told Duane they vote for it

* A-B-C-D lied and voted no

* Seeing that, W-X-Y-Z felt comfortable going back on their promise

It's likely there was a clear "tell" for the GOP of whether or not the Dem Fence Sitters, similar to Cicotte beaning Rath in the 1919 Series.  Except that it's possible that there wasn't collusion between the GOP Promise Voters and Dem Fence Sitting Promise Voters.  They simply could have been told by Duane or someone else in Dem Leadership who the Dem voters were that would move from undecided to Yes.  Once the first one of those actually voted No, the GOP Promise Voters threw in the towel.  It may also have been as simply as the Dem Fence Sitting Promise Voters not getting up to speak in support of the vote.

Greater lie?

Most likely the Dem Fence Sitting Promise Voters.

On the other hand, if the GOP side kept their promise, it would have pushed up some pressure on the Dems.

John


alternatively (0.00 / 0)
Republicans WXYZ promised Duane they would vote for the bill several months ago.

Then they watched a million and one wingnuts bash Dede Scozzafava.

Then they changed their minds.

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As I said to a friend earlier (4.00 / 3)
it seems as though our Senators are more afraid of teabaggers than they are of the equality community.

We need to change that.

"Never be afraid to stand with the minority when the minority is right, for the minority which is right will one day be the majority." -William Jennings Bryan


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either/or (4.00 / 1)
Remind me again how New York is a solidly blue state.

Once you get far enough away from the metropolitan hubs in America you go back to the 19th century. There are still millions upon millions of solid citizens in this country [normal Americans, the silent majority] scared shitless there might be more than one way to think about right and wrong.

It's not even the values they embrace that matter nearly as much as how values themselves must be reducible down to either/or.

What frightens them most about gays is the slippery slope they'll have to broach regarding everything else. If they tolerate same sex relationships or marriage what will they have to tolerate next---any and all Gods, any and all opinions about drugs, abortion, guns, hunting, gender roles, immigrants, patriotism, family values?

Homosexuality is akin to nihilism for many of them. There can only be one way, the right way, to behave. Anything else invites the chaos of moral relativism.

I know this because, as a moral relativist myself, I have been doing battle with them now for, oh, eternity?



I don't think that's fair analysis of the vote (4.00 / 1)
There was only one Democrat who voted "No" that is from a truly urban seat, that being Darrel Aubertine.  Stackowski is from Buffalo which is an urban area.  The rest of the no's from the Democrats were from the NYC delegation- Diaz (Bronx), Monserrate (Queens), Addabbo (Queens), Onorato (Queens), Huntley (Queens), and Kruger (Brooklyn).  So in this situation, I don't think the urban/rural divide was the problem at all.

"Never be afraid to stand with the minority when the minority is right, for the minority which is right will one day be the majority." -William Jennings Bryan

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As A Native New Yorker (4.00 / 1)
I'm just completely fucking disgusted.  That 6 of the 8 Democrats voting against were from NYC is even worse.  I need to find out how my neighborhood's (Inwood/Washington Heights) senator did and then send them either my condolences or a bag of flaming shit.

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7 of 8 were from NYC (0.00 / 0)


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No, only 6. (0.00 / 0)
The 7th was Stackowski from Buffalo and the 8th was Aubertine from the North Country (NY-23 territory).  The other 6 were NYC (4 from Queens, 1 from Brooklyn, 1 from the Bronx).

"Never be afraid to stand with the minority when the minority is right, for the minority which is right will one day be the majority." -William Jennings Bryan

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And (0.00 / 0)
By my count 5 of 7 Queens state senators voted against gay marriage uncluding 4 of 6 Democrats.  They were white and black and hispanic.  Young and old.  Joe Addabbo was just elected to replace a Republican.

Every metro NY suburban Democrat voted for gay marriage.

Sort of an aside, when I saw Kruger, it's Carl from Brooklyn very much not Liz Krueger (a sponsor).


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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
I live in Queens, doesn't surprise me.

Joe Addabbo was threatened by the Catholic church...the Catholic church delivered his council seat to a Republican, who beat Addabbo's former chief of staff in a landslide.

Addabbo's political base is middle-age catholic Italian/Irish Democrats...they're really Republicans.

I was at his victory party in 2008, the only person in the room more popular than he was Sarah Palin.

Shirley Huntley's district is very religious, this is Floyd Flake's home turf.  


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"We lost twice in as many months" (0.00 / 0)
but we won on 71. Take some heart in that!

I wouldn't care if... (0.00 / 0)
we lost the vote 50-1. Put these politician's on record with who they really are.

some of you see a stinging defeat in the end count but at least it was voted on. At least we know who not to support.


Blame this all on Obama (0.00 / 1)
If he were out front on it, it would have passed. Without his leadership (as if he had a clue how to lead) it would have passed in NY.

Bottom line: destroy Obama. He deserves it.


um no (0.00 / 0)
he wouldn't have helped at all, but nice try.  

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I want names (4.00 / 1)
I think we should call on Tom Duane to release the names of those who lied to him. They made a promise to vote yes, and broke it, and so whatever promise Duane may have made to keep their names secret is now null and void. Duane gets a lot of the blame for letting them lie to him, set him up, and stab him in the back; we should encourage him not to shield them from public view as well.

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